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Spitting on Charles Martel's GraveDisagreed. As previously posted, it should get a lot more interesting when the Euros take a much more active role in killing off these scumbags.LOL. Tell that to all the dead terrorist leaders. American tech has reduced the terrorist leadership structure down to the Arab equivalent of Moe, Larry and Curly. The Islamic Jihad has been reduced to mentally ill Muslims running over innocent women and children with trucks. Aside from US drones blowing up the occasion terrorist leader, the main "meeting of the minds" will be when the Euros finally get fed up with Jihadists and go to the ME to clean house.America Have Engagement but NEVER VICTORY.....as in Iraq,Afghanistan,Syria....You talk big but fight like shit.and leave shit where ever you roam...and you often stoop well below your combatants Level......What Planet have you just Arrived from ?????????????????
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America has been fighting it's "war on terror" for 15+ years now, and they're still all still there fighting back, regardless of how many drones kill their leaders. Sadly the U.S. has no strategy, no plan and no end game, just endless war enriching the weapons makers...maybe that was the plan all along.
OK, even aris2chat admits there were in fact people there. Let's see if the rest of you can get on board.
People in the handful of sanjuks that later made up the mandate......not palestinians
Saying palestine was like saying africa or europe
The name is a roman insult to the population at the time. At one time beside the other regions, there were three philistia that consisted of mostly gaza and sinai
Jews were there. Assorted other groups were there, religious and racial.
Ottoman, British and Arabs welcomed a Jewish homeland............
the mufti and others called the death of jews
Arabs had Jordan, more than 4 times the size of Israel.
the arabs that later called themselves palestinians in the west bank were offered citizenship and responded with an attempted coup.
The dispute is not about palestinian having land, it is about their desire to destroy Israel.
Israel arabs are a vital part of the population in Israel. Arabs that want to be Israelis, not fight them.
If the Ottomans welcomed a Jewish homeland, why did the pass laws preventing Jews from settling in Palestine? It is amazing what brainwashing can do.
"The Council of Ministers considered the question and in November 1881 it was announced that: OTTOMAN POLICY AND JEWISH SETTLEMENT 313 [Jewish] immigrants will be able to settle as scattered groups throughout Turkey, excluding Palestine. They must submit to all the laws of the Empire and become Ottoman subjects
With growing numbers of Russian Jews applying to the Ottoman Consul-General at Odessa for visas to enter Palestine, the following notice was posted outside his office a few months later, on April 28, 1882:
The Ottoman Government informs all [Jews] wishing to immigrate into Turkey that they are not permitted to settle in Palestine. They may immigrate into the other provinces of [the Empire] and settle as they wish, provided only that they become Ottoman subjects and accept the obligation to fulfil the laws of the Empire."
http://ismi.emory.edu/home/documents/Readings/Mandel, Neville J. Ottoman Policy.pdf
You can read your Koran to find an answer to the question posed in the first sentence.
It's amazing what Islamic fascism can do.
Interesting that over 500 villages were destroyed and 750,000 refugees were created from a land without people.
Interesting that over 500 villages were destroyed and 750,000 refugees were created from a land without people.
Who is a 'Palestinian refugee'?
Someone who's resided only 2 years prior to 1948.
Interesting that over 500 villages were destroyed and 750,000 refugees were created from a land without people.
Some 400 towns and villages lost the majority of their arab population as "palestinian refuges" ran, because of arab calls by radio and news, so arab tanks could destroy the jews.
Some were renamed. They were not all destroyed. New infrastructure, homes and businesses had to be built.
Not all the land was "owned" by palestinian refugees. Many were tenant farmers, share croppers, and seasonal workers for land lords. A lot of land was sold at several times its value to jews.
Those homes and villages that engaged in terrorism were destroyed. If you have a hornet's nest on your home, you destroy it.
To say 400 villages were destroyed is incorrect. Some arabs stayed and have done quite well for themselves as Israelis.
More correct would be depopulated as refuges chose to leave.
Interesting that over 500 villages were destroyed and 750,000 refugees were created from a land without people.
Who is a 'Palestinian refugee'?
Someone who's resided only 2 years prior to 1948.
does not make one a native citizen of the land or give them historical ties.
Jews have a history, culture, language and religion that began there and that they carried through their diaspora to the present. Romans, greeks, arabs, even the ottoman and british/LoN agree the jews came from the homeland of Israel. The land has never been without jews, though some towns and areas jews were forced out of or forbidden for a time. The prayers of the jews has through history been to never forget and to return to Jerusalem.
Where are the arab prayer. Al-Aqsa was a dream place that came to Mohammed, not an actual place till a mosque was built on the edge of the Temple mount, not on what was the actual temple. The rock or mount has been place of pilgrimage of christians and jews since the temple was destroyed. A church existed on the mount before the muslim conquest.
Others came to the rock which was there for others but muslims prayed at the mosque on the edge of the mount, out of the way, originally.
Interesting that over 500 villages were destroyed and 750,000 refugees were created from a land without people.
Who is a 'Palestinian refugee'?
Someone who's resided only 2 years prior to 1948.
does not make one a native citizen of the land or give them historical ties.
Jews have a history, culture, language and religion that began there and that they carried through their diaspora to the present. Romans, greeks, arabs, even the ottoman and british/LoN agree the jews came from the homeland of Israel. The land has never been without jews, though some towns and areas jews were forced out of or forbidden for a time. The prayers of the jews has through history been to never forget and to return to Jerusalem.
Where are the arab prayer. Al-Aqsa was a dream place that came to Mohammed, not an actual place till a mosque was built on the edge of the Temple mount, not on what was the actual temple. The rock or mount has been place of pilgrimage of christians and jews since the temple was destroyed. A church existed on the mount before the muslim conquest.
Others came to the rock which was there for others but muslims prayed at the mosque on the edge of the mount, out of the way, originally.
Yeah right. The Jews history and culture is European. There is no lox or gifilte in the Middle East you brainwashed nutcase. By the way, Aramaic, not Hebrew was the language of the area since 8 BC.
Interesting that over 500 villages were destroyed and 750,000 refugees were created from a land without people.
Who is a 'Palestinian refugee'?
Someone who's resided only 2 years prior to 1948.
does not make one a native citizen of the land or give them historical ties.
Jews have a history, culture, language and religion that began there and that they carried through their diaspora to the present. Romans, greeks, arabs, even the ottoman and british/LoN agree the jews came from the homeland of Israel. The land has never been without jews, though some towns and areas jews were forced out of or forbidden for a time. The prayers of the jews has through history been to never forget and to return to Jerusalem.
Where are the arab prayer. Al-Aqsa was a dream place that came to Mohammed, not an actual place till a mosque was built on the edge of the Temple mount, not on what was the actual temple. The rock or mount has been place of pilgrimage of christians and jews since the temple was destroyed. A church existed on the mount before the muslim conquest.
Others came to the rock which was there for others but muslims prayed at the mosque on the edge of the mount, out of the way, originally.
Yeah right. The Jews history and culture is European. There is no lox or gifilte in the Middle East you brainwashed nutcase. By the way, Aramaic, not Hebrew was the language of the area since 8 BC.
There's no Matza in the ME either, except in Jewish communities. So?
Hebrew is a Canaanite language, Arameic is part of Hebrew.
Arabic on the other hand is the native language of Arabian peninsula.
Do we have another nations that speak Canaanite native languages?
That's what happens when five Arab nations attack the newly formed state of Israel to "drive the Jews into the sea" and fail epically. And then two of those nations Egypt and Jordan, occupy the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, without a peep from anybody about this mythical "Palestine". Funny eh? Even the neighboring Arabs didn't believe in a FalastinenInteresting that over 500 villages were destroyed and 750,000 refugees were created from a land without people.
Not really true. Resolution 194 defines Palestinian refugees. UNWRA is an aid agency. Their definition is only for those who qualify for aid.Interesting that over 500 villages were destroyed and 750,000 refugees were created from a land without people.
Who is a 'Palestinian refugee'?
Someone who's resided only 2 years prior to 1948.
That's what happens when five Arab nations attack the newly formed state of Israel to "drive the Jews into the sea" and fail epically. And then two of those nations Egypt and Jordan, occupy the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, without a peep from anybody about this mythical "Palestine". Funny eh? Even the neighboring Arabs didn't believe in a FalastinenInteresting that over 500 villages were destroyed and 750,000 refugees were created from a land without people.
More Israeli lies. Half of those refugees were created before any Arab army entered Palestine.That's what happens when five Arab nations attack the newly formed state of Israel
That's what happens when five Arab nations attack the newly formed state of Israel to "drive the Jews into the sea" and fail epically. And then two of those nations Egypt and Jordan, occupy the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, without a peep from anybody about this mythical "Palestine". Funny eh? Even the neighboring Arabs didn't believe in a FalastinenInteresting that over 500 villages were destroyed and 750,000 refugees were created from a land without people.
Interesting that over 500 villages were destroyed and 750,000 refugees were created from a land without people.
Who is a 'Palestinian refugee'?
Someone who's resided only 2 years prior to 1948.
does not make one a native citizen of the land or give them historical ties.
Jews have a history, culture, language and religion that began there and that they carried through their diaspora to the present. Romans, greeks, arabs, even the ottoman and british/LoN agree the jews came from the homeland of Israel. The land has never been without jews, though some towns and areas jews were forced out of or forbidden for a time. The prayers of the jews has through history been to never forget and to return to Jerusalem.
Where are the arab prayer. Al-Aqsa was a dream place that came to Mohammed, not an actual place till a mosque was built on the edge of the Temple mount, not on what was the actual temple. The rock or mount has been place of pilgrimage of christians and jews since the temple was destroyed. A church existed on the mount before the muslim conquest.
Others came to the rock which was there for others but muslims prayed at the mosque on the edge of the mount, out of the way, originally.
Yeah right. The Jews history and culture is European. There is no lox or gifilte in the Middle East you brainwashed nutcase. By the way, Aramaic, not Hebrew was the language of the area since 8 BC.
There's no Matza in the ME either, except in Jewish communities. So?
Hebrew is a Canaanite language, Arameic is part of Hebrew.
Arabic on the other hand is the native language of Arabian peninsula.
Do we have another nations that speak Canaanite native languages?
Interesting that over 500 villages were destroyed and 750,000 refugees were created from a land without people.
Who is a 'Palestinian refugee'?
Someone who's resided only 2 years prior to 1948.
does not make one a native citizen of the land or give them historical ties.
Jews have a history, culture, language and religion that began there and that they carried through their diaspora to the present. Romans, greeks, arabs, even the ottoman and british/LoN agree the jews came from the homeland of Israel. The land has never been without jews, though some towns and areas jews were forced out of or forbidden for a time. The prayers of the jews has through history been to never forget and to return to Jerusalem.
Where are the arab prayer. Al-Aqsa was a dream place that came to Mohammed, not an actual place till a mosque was built on the edge of the Temple mount, not on what was the actual temple. The rock or mount has been place of pilgrimage of christians and jews since the temple was destroyed. A church existed on the mount before the muslim conquest.
Others came to the rock which was there for others but muslims prayed at the mosque on the edge of the mount, out of the way, originally.
Yeah right. The Jews history and culture is European. There is no lox or gifilte in the Middle East you brainwashed nutcase. By the way, Aramaic, not Hebrew was the language of the area since 8 BC.
There's no Matza in the ME either, except in Jewish communities. So?
Hebrew is a Canaanite language, Arameic is part of Hebrew.
Arabic on the other hand is the native language of Arabian peninsula.
Do we have another nations that speak Canaanite native languages?
Naan, lavash, khubz markouk without the yeast. Khubz Taawah is another version without yeast, probably one of the oldest and most basis of breads. Gluten free, you can use buckwheat, potato flour or rice flour.
Matzo is just flour and cold water, mixed for no more than 8 minutes, quickly rolled flat and baked, or fried
I love the paper thin Markouk.
Bzzzzz wrong, once the state of Israel was formed, it was the Arab savages that attacked Israel in order to drive the Jews into the sea, but failed. Of course the savages did attack the Jews many times before, In 1929, and even in the 1600's and before,That's what happens when five Arab nations attack the newly formed state of Israel to "drive the Jews into the sea" and fail epically. And then two of those nations Egypt and Jordan, occupy the West Bank and Gaza for 20 years, without a peep from anybody about this mythical "Palestine". Funny eh? Even the neighboring Arabs didn't believe in a FalastinenInteresting that over 500 villages were destroyed and 750,000 refugees were created from a land without people.
What's funny is your propaganda. The Arab League intervened (and entered only the non-Jew and international partitions) to try to defend the non-Jews from Jewish ethnic cleansing and killing of non-Jews, Christians included. As usual you just parrot propaganda. Haifa (within the Arab partition), for example, was laid to siege and surrendered to the Jews long before the Arab League intervened or Israel declared independence.
It was a Jewish invasion, not the other way around. Mr. Propaganda.
December 1947, he said, “Arab officers ordered the complete evacuation of specific villages in certain areas, lest their inhabitants ‘treacherously’ acquiesce in Israeli rule or hamper Arab military deployments.” He concluded, “There can be no exaggerating the importance of these early Arab-initiated evacuations in the demoralization, and eventual exodus, of the remaining rural and urban populations” (Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited, MA: Cambridge University Press, 2004, p. 590.)
The Arab National Committee in Jerusalem, following the March 8, 1948, instructions of the Arab Higher Committee, ordered women, children and the elderly in various parts of Jerusalem to leave their homes: “Any opposition to this order... is an obstacle to the holy war... and will hamper the operations of the fighters in these districts.” The Arab Higher Committee also ordered the evacuation of “several dozen villages, as well as the removal of dependents from dozens more” in April-July 1948. “The invading Arab armies also occasionally ordered whole villages to depart, so as not to be in their way” (Middle Eastern Studies, January 1986; See also Morris, pp. 263 & 590-592).
In his memoirs, Haled al Azm, the Syrian Prime Minister in 1948-49, also admitted the Arab role in persuading the refugees to leave:
“Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return” (The Memoirs of Haled al Azm, Beirut, 1973, Part 1, pp. 386-387).
Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Said, who declared: “We will smash the country with our guns and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in. The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the fighting has died down” (Myron Kaufman, The Coming Destruction of Israel, NY: The American Library Inc., 1970, pp. 26-27).
The Secretary of the Arab League Office in London, Edward Atiyah, wrote in his book, The Arabs: “This wholesale exodus was due partly to the belief of the Arabs, encouraged by the boastings of an unrealistic Arabic press and the irresponsible utterances of some of the Arab leaders that it could be only a matter of weeks before the Jews were defeated by the armies of the Arab States and the Palestinian Arabs enabled to reenter and retake possession of their country” (Edward Atiyah, The Arabs, London: Penguin Books, 1955, p. 183).
“The refugees were confident their absence would not last long, and that they would return within a week or two,” Monsignor George Hakim, a Greek Orthodox Catholic Bishop of Galilee told the Beirut newspaper, Sada al-Janub (August 16, 1948). “Their leaders had promised them that the Arab Armies would crush the ’Zionist gangs’ very quickly and that there was no need for panic or fear of a long exile.”
On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station ( Cyprus ) said: “It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees’ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem” (Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and Fantasy in Palestine, NY: Bantam Books, 1985, p. 15).
“The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies,” according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949).
One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: “The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in.”
“The Secretary-General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, assured the Arab peoples that the occupation of Palestine and Tel Aviv would be as simple as a military promenade,” said Habib Issa in the New York Lebanese paper, Al Hoda (June 8, 1951). “He pointed out that they were already on the frontiers and that all the millions the Jews had spent on land and economic development would be easy booty, for it would be a simple matter to throw Jews into the Mediterranean... Brotherly advice was given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave their land, homes and property and to stay temporarily in neighboring fraternal states, lest the guns of the invading Arab armies mow them down.”
“The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live.”
— Palestinian Authority (then) Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) (Falastin a-Thaura, (March 1976)
Arabs Urged to Flee from Palestine in 1948:
"It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees' flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa, and Jerusalem."
-- Near East Arabic Broadcasting Station, Cyprus, April 3, 1949
"Every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab populace to stay and carry on with their normal lives, to get their shops and businesses open and to be assured that their lives and interests will be safe."
-- Haifa District HQ of the British Police, April 26, 1948, (quoted in Battleground by Samuel Katz).
"The Arabs of Haifa fled in spite of the fact that the Jewish authorities guaranteed their safety and rights as citizens of Israel."
-- Monsignor George Hakim, Greek Catholic Bishop of Galilee, New York Herald Tribune, June 30, 1949
Sir John Troutbeck, British Middle East Office in Cairo, noted in cables to superiors (1948-49) that the refugees (in Gaza) have no bitterness against Jews, but harbor intense hatred toward Egyptians: "They say 'we know who our enemies are (referring to the Egyptians)', declaring that their Arab brethren persuaded them unnecessarily to leave their homes…I even heard it said that many of the refugees would give a welcome to the Israelis if they were to come in and take the district over."
"The Arab states which had encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies, have failed to keep their promise to help these refugees."
-- The Jordanian daily newspaper Falastin, February 19, 1949.
