The Poisoning of Flint, MI.

[cnm]

One more time

It's not me who got the order wrong.

 

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Although the Flint City Council voted in March 2013 in support of moving to the KWA pipeline — a new pipeline that would serve the region with Lake Huron water — there is no record that the council voted to use the Flint River as a short-term drinking water source.
Ex-emergency manager says he's not to blame for Flint River water switch​

 

[tinydancer]

Flint City Council were the ones that decided to switch from Detroit Water and Sewage to Flint River and then to Karegondi Water Authority. Vote was 7 to 1.

Other way around, apparently.

Starting in 2010, Genesee County had spearheaded the development of the Karegnondi Water Authority (KWA) to supply it and Lapeer and Sanilac counties—plus the cities of Lapeer and Flint—with water.[7] On March 25, 2013, Flint City Council approved 7-1 to purchase 16 million gallons per day from the KWA rather than go with Flint River water Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS)8] Flint emergency manager (EM) Ed Kurtz and Mayor Dayne Walling approved the action on March 29 and forward the action for the State Treasurer to approve.[9]
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Do you understand what you just posted at all? I don't think you do.

#1 great new water supplier KWA

#2 wouldn't be available for a couple of years.

#3 right in wiki Flint City Council was going to use KWA rather than Flint River as a permanent supply.

Look at what you copied and pasted. Flint River was only a temp supply.

I said from Detroit to Flint and then to KWA. KWA wasn't finished yet. And Detroit was going to cut them off.

Check this out. Detroit put the poor bastards on the City Council between a rock and a hard place. They forced them to go to Flint River.

The Flint City Council had no idea what was to come from its attempt to shave its budget in 2013.

Trying to peel some money away in the budget for other things, the city council in Flint, Michigan, set off a chain of events in March 2013 that had devastating effects.
The council voted 7-1 to pass a resolution to stop buying water from Detroit and join a new initiative piping in water directly from Lake Huron.
They weren't the only ones who approved of this plan, which was supposed to save the city $19 million over eight years. The plan was fine by the state of Michigan, and the city's emergency manager, Ed Kurtz, who signed off on it a month later.

Then Detroit notified Flint that it would cease selling water to them well before the new plan was set to take effect, which sent Flint scrambling to find a new source for water.
They eventually settled on the Flint River, despite prior reports saying it had the "most degraded water quality among the Saginaw River tributaries."

Flint's massive water poisoning all started with an innocent-enough vote at city council.

 

[cnm]

I said from Detroit to Flint and then to KWA. KWA wasn't finished yet. And Detroit was going to cut them off.

That is incorrect as I understand it. The council decided to go from Detroit to KWA. There was never a council intention to go to Flint as a temporary measure, that only came about by force of circumstance.

 

[tinydancer]

Although the Flint City Council voted in March 2013 in support of moving to the KWA pipeline — a new pipeline that would serve the region with Lake Huron water — there is no record that the council voted to use the Flint River as a short-term drinking water source.
Ex-emergency manager says he's not to blame for Flint River water switch​

Bullshit. There's records everywhere. You even put the wiki source. And I just gave you another.

Flint's massive water poisoning all started with an innocent-enough vote at city council.

 

[tinydancer]

I said from Detroit to Flint and then to KWA. KWA wasn't finished yet. And Detroit was going to cut them off.

That is incorrect as I understand it. There was never a council intention to go to Flint as a temporary measure, that only came about by force of circumstance.

Because Detroit Water and Sewage were going to cut them off.

 

[tinydancer]

All round it's a dogs breakfast what happened.

BUT I don't blame the politicians.

I blame the cover up and the whole god damn mess on bureaucrats and underlings who didn't do their jobs properly all the way thru the system and then bloody well had the information on the lead poisoning and were in cover your ass mode so big they were lying about all the results and trying to block outside researchers from finding out what was really going on.

And they should be criminally charged and I hope to see the lot of them go to prison.

 

[cnm]

The thing I find most shocking in the whole imbroglio is that the US, the greatest country in the world, still has many water lines to houses of lead! for fucks sakes.

 

[cnm]

There's records everywhere. You even put the wiki source. And I just gave you another.

The council voted 7-1 to pass a resolution to stop buying water from Detroit and join a new initiative piping in water directly from Lake Huron.
Flint's massive water poisoning all started with an innocent-enough vote at city council.​

Show the record of the council vote to use Flint River. All that shows is the council vote to abandon Detroit.

 

[cnm]

And they should be criminally charged and I hope to see the lot of them go to prison.

Sometimes one has sympathy with the Chinese practice of executing underlings on the embarrassing discovery of major fuck ups.

 

[washamericom]

how often do they test the river ? is there lead in the fish ? are there fish ?

 

[martybegan]

There will be plenty of blame to go around, and some of it will end up on the Governor's lap, and rightfully so.

But calling for his resignation and claiming he poisoned a bunch of children either through outright neglect or willful ignorance is partisan and ludicrous.

There will be an investigation, and more than likely the culprit will be a combination of bureaucratic red tape and overall lethargy.

And yet the buck stops at the desk of Scott. What he knew and when may very well have been redacted from the e-mails he will release. BUT when more than one person knows the details of a secret, it usually comes out.

I hope Michael Moore will lead in finding that person or the person's who know the truth. What a movie that would be.

And if the truth turns out that the problem is the intricacies of the bureaucracy surrounding regulations at the State and Federal level? The layers and layers of checks and paperwork and approvals needed to get anything done that progressives and Statists love so well?

And if the truth turns out that the governor's office stymied efforts by trying to discredit people that came forward?

Oh wait...that IS the truth.

That's the "truth" you want to see because you have a bone to pick with Republican Governors. The actual truth will take time to come out.

Nope, that's what actually happened. People appointed by the governor and who reported only to him did exactly that...dismissed and attempted to discredit the water specialist and the doctor that came forward.

So far we only have accusations, but keep up the talking point that its all the Governors fault. It will get you about 15 minutes of traction for your 2 minute republican hate.

 

[martybegan]

There will be plenty of blame to go around, and some of it will end up on the Governor's lap, and rightfully so.

But calling for his resignation and claiming he poisoned a bunch of children either through outright neglect or willful ignorance is partisan and ludicrous.

There will be an investigation, and more than likely the culprit will be a combination of bureaucratic red tape and overall lethargy.

And yet the buck stops at the desk of Scott. What he knew and when may very well have been redacted from the e-mails he will release. BUT when more than one person knows the details of a secret, it usually comes out.

I hope Michael Moore will lead in finding that person or the person's who know the truth. What a movie that would be.

And if the truth turns out that the problem is the intricacies of the bureaucracy surrounding regulations at the State and Federal level? The layers and layers of checks and paperwork and approvals needed to get anything done that progressives and Statists love so well?

That's rich. If you had your way there would be no regulation of water quality at any level of government.

Bullshit. I work in water and wastewater quality, and government oversight is needed. What is not needed are regulations that look like they were written by lawyers and bugs and bunny environmental activists, instead of by people who actually understand the goals of treatment.

lol, so day by day I'm breaking down your anti-government bullshit.

And quite easily so.

I have never been anti-government, i am anti-big government, anti-federal overstepping, and pro-strict constructional to the constitution.

But if you have to lump me in with the anarchists to make yourself feel better and to allow yourself to dismiss my viewpoints, go right ahead. I expect it from the weak willed/minded.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Is the safety of drinking water a local issue, or one a State's Executive Officer should be concerned about and act upon when s/he first learns of it?

Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder under fire over newly released emails on Flint water crisis

Snyder - Gov. Rick Snyder releases emails sent, received on Flint

Michigan governor's emails shine light on Flint water crisis - CNN.com

Oh, and as an aside issue which puts the hew and cry of conservatives about HRC's private e-mail, take a look at Gov. Scott of FL's problem:

Gov. Rick Scott has agreed to spend $700,000 in taxpayer money to settle seven public records lawsuits alleging he and several members of his staff violated state law when they created email accounts to shield their communications from state public records laws and then withheld the documents.

Read more here: Florida Gov. Rick Scott agrees to pay $700,000 to end public records lawsuit

 

[Arizona Willie]

how often do they test the river ? is there lead in the fish ? are there fish ?

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Dead river. Nothing but an Industrial Sewer. And they KNEW the river was polluted and they KNEW there where chemicals that could clean it but they KNEW it would cost TAXES and their entire objective was to CUT TAXES.

If they killed off 30,000 black Democrats ... tough ... they were going to CUT TAXES no matter who was hurt --- BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE THEM OR THEIR FAMILIES.

 

[martybegan]

Is the safety of drinking water a local issue, or one a State's Executive Officer should be concerned about and act upon when s/he first learns of it?

Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder under fire over newly released emails on Flint water crisis

Snyder - Gov. Rick Snyder releases emails sent, received on Flint

Michigan governor's emails shine light on Flint water crisis - CNN.com

Oh, and as an aside issue which puts the hew and cry of conservatives about HRC's private e-mail, take a look at Gov. Scott of FL's problem:

Florida Gov. Rick Scott agrees to pay $700,000 to end public records lawsuit


Gov. Rick Scott has agreed to spend $700,000 in taxpayer money to settle seven public records lawsuits alleging he and several members of his staff violated state law when they created email accounts to shield their communications from state public records laws and then withheld the documents.



Read more here: Florida Gov. Rick Scott agrees to pay $700,000 to end public records lawsuit

So when is Hillary going to pony up some $$$$?

 

[martybegan]

how often do they test the river ? is there lead in the fish ? are there fish ?

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Dead river. Nothing but an Industrial Sewer. And they KNEW the river was polluted and they KNEW there where chemicals that could clean it but they KNEW it would cost TAXES and their entire objective was to CUT TAXES.

If they killed off 30,000 black Democrats ... tough ... they were going to CUT TAXES no matter who was hurt --- BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT BE THEM OR THEIR FAMILIES.

Dead river?

DNR - Flint River

 

[Wry Catcher]

And yet the buck stops at the desk of Scott. What he knew and when may very well have been redacted from the e-mails he will release. BUT when more than one person knows the details of a secret, it usually comes out.

I hope Michael Moore will lead in finding that person or the person's who know the truth. What a movie that would be.

And if the truth turns out that the problem is the intricacies of the bureaucracy surrounding regulations at the State and Federal level? The layers and layers of checks and paperwork and approvals needed to get anything done that progressives and Statists love so well?

And if the truth turns out that the governor's office stymied efforts by trying to discredit people that came forward?

Oh wait...that IS the truth.

That's the "truth" you want to see because you have a bone to pick with Republican Governors. The actual truth will take time to come out.

Nope, that's what actually happened. People appointed by the governor and who reported only to him did exactly that...dismissed and attempted to discredit the water specialist and the doctor that came forward.

So far we only have accusations, but keep up the talking point that its all the Governors fault. It will get you about 15 minutes of traction for your 2 minute republican hate.

Your blatant hypocrisy is showing Marty. Hate is a strong emotion, one expressed ad nausea by the crazy right wing and conservative Republicans - but I digress and repeat myself - whenever Obama or HRC is on topic.

It seems that Republican Governors deserve to be investigated for real high crimes, misdemeanors, untoward behavior and incompetence.

Look into the e-mail issue for Gov. Scott in FL. does this not scream for an instigation, or the actions of Fl Governor Martinez acting under the color of authority to call off a police investigation, and the fact that children have been poisoned in Michigan.

One take away is the fiscally conservative have been proven to be penny wise and pound foolish. It's time for the executive and legislative bodies in the US to begin to act fiscally responsible.

 

[martybegan]

And if the truth turns out that the problem is the intricacies of the bureaucracy surrounding regulations at the State and Federal level? The layers and layers of checks and paperwork and approvals needed to get anything done that progressives and Statists love so well?

And if the truth turns out that the governor's office stymied efforts by trying to discredit people that came forward?

Oh wait...that IS the truth.

That's the "truth" you want to see because you have a bone to pick with Republican Governors. The actual truth will take time to come out.

Nope, that's what actually happened. People appointed by the governor and who reported only to him did exactly that...dismissed and attempted to discredit the water specialist and the doctor that came forward.

So far we only have accusations, but keep up the talking point that its all the Governors fault. It will get you about 15 minutes of traction for your 2 minute republican hate.

Your blatant hypocrisy is showing Marty. Hate is a strong emotion, one expressed ad nausea by the crazy right wing and conservative Republicans - but I digress and repeat myself - whenever Obama or HRC is on topic.

It seems that Republican Governors deserve to be investigated for real high crimes, misdemeanors, untoward behavior and incompetence.

Look into the e-mail issue for Gov. Scott in FL. does this not scream for an instigation, or the actions of Fl Governor Martinez acting under the color of authority to call off a police investigation, and the fact that children have been poisoned in Michigan.

One take away is the fiscally conservative have been proven to be penny wise and pound foolish. It's time for the executive and legislative bodies in the US to begin to act fiscally responsible.

Cuomo is also looking at investigations in NY, but he's a democrat so you give him a pass.

No hypocrisy here, I just refuse to jump on the "blame them without actual evidence just because I don't like them" bandwagon.

Your side continues to equate political disagreement with warranting criminal prosecution, and you look for any little thing (or big thing early in the investigation) to attempt to latch some legitimacy to your blatant political grievances.

 

[Katzndogz]

Maybe the people of Flint should have paid their water bills.