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And you want to change the topic to narcissists and their perceptions of law. Perhaps you could make a thread.Wanna change the topic now? Ignorance imagines laws should be administered unequally. Can you say John Crow?narcissists imagine laws are all about their perceptions of them...
it is the OP who wants to change the abortion 'topic' and play 'word games' ...
The Politics of the "Abortion" Word Games
The real question is what does it mean to be 'human'?
Wanna change the topic now? Ignorance imagines laws should be administered unequally. Can you say John Crow?narcissists imagine laws are all about their perceptions of them...
it is the OP who wants to change the abortion 'topic' and play 'word games' ...
The Politics of the "Abortion" Word Games
The real question is what does it mean to be 'human'?
Is there ANYONE here who thinks that all abortion should be made a crime of homicide?
- If one accepts this divided concept of human nature, i.e., person, and body, this aligns one with the liberal political view, which rejects moral limits on desire as a violation of its liberty.
You seem to misunderstand the liberal political view. Liberals don't reject moral limits. They reject the idea that you, Political Chic, define what moral limits are.
Your misconception is rooted in your belief in an absolute moral code. Where you conceive what you believe to the the only true morality, and objective truth. Thus, per your reasoning, the rejection of you as an infallible moral arbiter is a rejection of morality itself.
The obvious problem with that reasoning being......you're not an infallible moral arbiter. Your personal beliefs don't define any objective moral system. And just because you believe something to be true doesn't mean it is, your nested assumptions not withstanding.
Your perspective requires the assumptions
1) There is a singular, objective moral code for all situations
2) That you could understand such a code if it existed
3) that you do understand that code
4) that you have the insight and information to apply that code accurately
5) anything that violates the objective moral code should be criminally prohibited
If any one of those assumptions is invalid, then your perspective on abortion is invalid. If any of those assumptions are invalid, all dependent assumptions that follow it are invalid.
And I think its reasonable for principled, thinking people to doubt that the validity of your assumptions. Individually, or together.
"Your misconception is rooted in your belief in an absolute moral code."
I mention ' moral relativity, self-determined morality, and 'if it feels good, do it,' and a dunce comes up to prove it.
I want you to answer my questions.what do you want, the government to have jurisdiction in regulating your every sperm..?
- If one accepts this divided concept of human nature, i.e., person, and body, this aligns one with the liberal political view, which rejects moral limits on desire as a violation of its liberty.
You seem to misunderstand the liberal political view. Liberals don't reject moral limits. They reject the idea that you, Political Chic, define what moral limits are.
Your misconception is rooted in your belief in an absolute moral code. Where you conceive what you believe to the the only true morality, and objective truth. Thus, per your reasoning, the rejection of you as an infallible moral arbiter is a rejection of morality itself.
The obvious problem with that reasoning being......you're not an infallible moral arbiter. Your personal beliefs don't define any objective moral system. And just because you believe something to be true doesn't mean it is, your nested assumptions not withstanding.
Your perspective requires the assumptions
1) There is a singular, objective moral code for all situations
2) That you could understand such a code if it existed
3) that you do understand that code
4) that you have the insight and information to apply that code accurately
5) anything that violates the objective moral code should be criminally prohibited
If any one of those assumptions is invalid, then your perspective on abortion is invalid. If any of those assumptions are invalid, all dependent assumptions that follow it are invalid.
And I think its reasonable for principled, thinking people to doubt that the validity of your assumptions. Individually, or together.
"Your misconception is rooted in your belief in an absolute moral code."
I mention ' moral relativity, self-determined morality, and 'if it feels good, do it,' and a dunce comes up to prove it.
Laughing....notice you don't actually disagree with anything I said. Nor could you. You don't have anything to cut and paste that addresses it. Consequently, you have nothing to say.
And thus you demonstrate once again the difference between repeating......and reasoning.
what do you want, the government to have jurisdiction in regulating your every sperm..?
I want you to answer my questions.
"Liberals/Progressives/Democrat's totalitarian aspirations."
^
In a 7-2 decision written by Justice Harry Blackmun (who was chosen because of his prior experience as counsel to the Mayo Clinic), the Court ruled that the Texas statute violated Jane Roe's constitutional right to privacy. The Court argued that the Constitution's First, Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual's "zone of privacy" against state laws...
...
Harry Andrew Blackmun was raised in a working-class neighborhood of St. Paul, Minnesota, where his father ran a general store. He was an excellent student, and one of his childhood friends was Warren Burger, chief justice (1969-1986). Blackmun attended Harvard College on scholarship, graduating in 1929 summa cum laude in mathematics. He went on to Harvard Law School, where he got his degree in 1932. For two years Blackmun clerked with Judge John B. Sanborn of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit. He entered private practice with a Minneapolis firm in 1934 and remained with it for years, dealing with such issues as taxation, civil litigation, and trusts and estates.
In 1950 Blackmun became general counsel to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, serving until 1959, when President Dwight Eisenhower appointed him to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit. In 1970 President Richard Nixon nominated him to the Supreme Court. A lifelong Republican, unassuming and intelligent, Blackmun had a reputation as hardworking and conservative.
The Supreme Court . Expanding Civil Rights . Biographies of the Robes . Harry Andrew Blackmun PBS
I've heard most abortions are actually chosen by conservative women. I don't know if it's true or not but it would be just like them. "Do as I say, not as I do."Only Liberals/Progressives/Democrats have abortions.
Hey PC, is an IUD and the pill "infanticide"?
Jim Crow started in Illinois with the help of Herr Abraham Lincoln Uber Alles. His laws were emulated by Ohio and Indiana...long before the war. Know what you're talking about or STFU.So....you'll assign your right to make a judgment to the same kind of folks who OK' Dred Scott?
You must be a Liberal, huh?
Within a few years after Dred Scott the country was in the Civil war and by 1866 the matter of Slavery was settled.
The Taney Court was Conservative.
You lying moron....every one of you tries to hide your evil by casting the word 'conservative ' around.
Taney made a deal with Buchanan that allowed Buchanan to become the 15th President.
Buchanan was a Democrat....and his deal with Taney was that of a pair of racists.
As were, and are, Democrats.
The Court ruled 7-2. Slave owners were Democrats and conservatives. The Northern Republicans were liberals.
Liar.
Jim Crow was an example of Democrat liberal big government in action.
Wrong. Jim Crow was conservatism giving businesses a choice to discriminate.
Once again Don PoliticalSpice Quixote is on her futile crusade to tear down the wall of separation between church and state.
There is no such "wall, " you uneducated dunce.
The KKKer, Hugo Black, FDR's first Supreme Court nominee, inserted it and dopes like you believe that the concept was not anathema to the view of the Founders.
- The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting ... First Amendment to the United States Constitution
Once again PoliticalSpice exposes her woeful ignorance of American history.
The KKKer, Hugo Black, FDR's first Supreme Court nominee, inserted it and dopes like you believe that the concept was no anathema to the view of the Founders.
Try reading Thomas Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists.
Jefferson s Letter to the Danbury Baptists June 1998 - Library of Congress Information Bulletin
GentlemenJan. 1. 1802.
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
Th Jefferson
It was Jefferson himself who first used the phrase to describe the intent of the 1st Amendment.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself!
Jefferson recognized America as a Christian nation but didn't believe that any particular denomination should be dominant over the others. That was one of the reasons why he broke from England. He was wholly opposed to any government regulating a person's right to religion:
WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - The Separation of Church and StateJefferson understood their concern; it was also his own. In fact, he made numerous declarations about the constitutional inability of the federal government to regulate, restrict, or interfere with religious expression. For example:
[N]o power over the freedom of religion . . . [is] delegated to the United States by the Constitution. Kentucky Resolution, 1798 [3]
In matters of religion, I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the Constitution independent of the powers of the general [federal] government. Second Inaugural Address, 1805 [4]
[O]ur excellent Constitution . . . has not placed our religious rights under the power of any public functionary. Letter to the Methodist Episcopal Church, 1808 [5]
I consider the government of the United States as interdicted [prohibited] by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions . . . or exercises. Letter to Samuel Millar, 1808 [6]
By the same token, Jefferson was responsible for using the halls of Congress for church services:
Religion and the Federal Government Part 2 - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic Exhibitions Library of CongressIt is no exaggeration to say that on Sundays in Washington during the administrations of Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) and of James Madison (1809-1817) the state became the church. Within a year of his inauguration, Jefferson began attending church services in the House of Representatives. Madison followed Jefferson's example, although unlike Jefferson, who rode on horseback to church in the Capitol, Madison came in a coach and four. Worship services in the House--a practice that continued until after the Civil War--were acceptable to Jefferson because they were nondiscriminatory and voluntary. Preachers of every Protestant denomination appeared. (Catholic priests began officiating in 1826.) As early as January 1806 a female evangelist, Dorothy Ripley, delivered a camp meeting-style exhortation in the House to Jefferson, Vice President Aaron Burr, and a "crowded audience." Throughout his administration Jefferson permitted church services in executive branch buildings. The Gospel was also preached in the Supreme Court chambers.
The first Congress sponsored the first Bible printed in the USA:
Religion and the Congress of the Confederation - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic Exhibitions Library of CongressCongress appointed chaplains for itself and the armed forces, sponsored the publication of a Bible, imposed Christian morality on the armed forces, and granted public lands to promote Christianity among the Indians. National days of thanksgiving and of "humiliation, fasting, and prayer" were proclaimed by Congress at least twice a year throughout the war. Congress was guided by "covenant theology," a Reformation doctrine especially dear to New England Puritans, which held that God bound himself in an agreement with a nation and its people. This agreement stipulated that they "should be prosperous or afflicted, according as their general Obedience or Disobedience thereto appears." Wars and revolutions were, accordingly, considered afflictions, as divine punishments for sin, from which a nation could rescue itself by repentance and reformation.
Are you joining PoliticalSpice in her crusade to tear down the wall of separation between church and state?
Yes or no?
Once again Don PoliticalSpice Quixote is on her futile crusade to tear down the wall of separation between church and state.
There is no such "wall, " you uneducated dunce.
The KKKer, Hugo Black, FDR's first Supreme Court nominee, inserted it and dopes like you believe that the concept was not anathema to the view of the Founders.
- The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting ... First Amendment to the United States Constitution
Once again PoliticalSpice exposes her woeful ignorance of American history.
The KKKer, Hugo Black, FDR's first Supreme Court nominee, inserted it and dopes like you believe that the concept was no anathema to the view of the Founders.
Try reading Thomas Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists.
Jefferson s Letter to the Danbury Baptists June 1998 - Library of Congress Information Bulletin
GentlemenJan. 1. 1802.
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
Th Jefferson
It was Jefferson himself who first used the phrase to describe the intent of the 1st Amendment.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself!
Jefferson recognized America as a Christian nation but didn't believe that any particular denomination should be dominant over the others. That was one of the reasons why he broke from England. He was wholly opposed to any government regulating a person's right to religion:
WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - The Separation of Church and StateJefferson understood their concern; it was also his own. In fact, he made numerous declarations about the constitutional inability of the federal government to regulate, restrict, or interfere with religious expression. For example:
[N]o power over the freedom of religion . . . [is] delegated to the United States by the Constitution. Kentucky Resolution, 1798 [3]
In matters of religion, I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the Constitution independent of the powers of the general [federal] government. Second Inaugural Address, 1805 [4]
[O]ur excellent Constitution . . . has not placed our religious rights under the power of any public functionary. Letter to the Methodist Episcopal Church, 1808 [5]
I consider the government of the United States as interdicted [prohibited] by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions . . . or exercises. Letter to Samuel Millar, 1808 [6]
By the same token, Jefferson was responsible for using the halls of Congress for church services:
Religion and the Federal Government Part 2 - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic Exhibitions Library of CongressIt is no exaggeration to say that on Sundays in Washington during the administrations of Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) and of James Madison (1809-1817) the state became the church. Within a year of his inauguration, Jefferson began attending church services in the House of Representatives. Madison followed Jefferson's example, although unlike Jefferson, who rode on horseback to church in the Capitol, Madison came in a coach and four. Worship services in the House--a practice that continued until after the Civil War--were acceptable to Jefferson because they were nondiscriminatory and voluntary. Preachers of every Protestant denomination appeared. (Catholic priests began officiating in 1826.) As early as January 1806 a female evangelist, Dorothy Ripley, delivered a camp meeting-style exhortation in the House to Jefferson, Vice President Aaron Burr, and a "crowded audience." Throughout his administration Jefferson permitted church services in executive branch buildings. The Gospel was also preached in the Supreme Court chambers.
The first Congress sponsored the first Bible printed in the USA:
Religion and the Congress of the Confederation - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic Exhibitions Library of CongressCongress appointed chaplains for itself and the armed forces, sponsored the publication of a Bible, imposed Christian morality on the armed forces, and granted public lands to promote Christianity among the Indians. National days of thanksgiving and of "humiliation, fasting, and prayer" were proclaimed by Congress at least twice a year throughout the war. Congress was guided by "covenant theology," a Reformation doctrine especially dear to New England Puritans, which held that God bound himself in an agreement with a nation and its people. This agreement stipulated that they "should be prosperous or afflicted, according as their general Obedience or Disobedience thereto appears." Wars and revolutions were, accordingly, considered afflictions, as divine punishments for sin, from which a nation could rescue itself by repentance and reformation.
Are you joining PoliticalSpice in her crusade to tear down the wall of separation between church and state?
Yes or no?
Never has been a separation. You and others have embraced a misconception routinely spewed forth as "truth" in America's public FOOL system. The Constitution protects religious folks from government but government can be influenced by religion.
There is no such "wall, " you uneducated dunce.
The KKKer, Hugo Black, FDR's first Supreme Court nominee, inserted it and dopes like you believe that the concept was not anathema to the view of the Founders.
- The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting ... First Amendment to the United States Constitution
Once again PoliticalSpice exposes her woeful ignorance of American history.
The KKKer, Hugo Black, FDR's first Supreme Court nominee, inserted it and dopes like you believe that the concept was no anathema to the view of the Founders.
Try reading Thomas Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists.
Jefferson s Letter to the Danbury Baptists June 1998 - Library of Congress Information Bulletin
GentlemenJan. 1. 1802.
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
Th Jefferson
It was Jefferson himself who first used the phrase to describe the intent of the 1st Amendment.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself!
Jefferson recognized America as a Christian nation but didn't believe that any particular denomination should be dominant over the others. That was one of the reasons why he broke from England. He was wholly opposed to any government regulating a person's right to religion:
WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - The Separation of Church and StateJefferson understood their concern; it was also his own. In fact, he made numerous declarations about the constitutional inability of the federal government to regulate, restrict, or interfere with religious expression. For example:
[N]o power over the freedom of religion . . . [is] delegated to the United States by the Constitution. Kentucky Resolution, 1798 [3]
In matters of religion, I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the Constitution independent of the powers of the general [federal] government. Second Inaugural Address, 1805 [4]
[O]ur excellent Constitution . . . has not placed our religious rights under the power of any public functionary. Letter to the Methodist Episcopal Church, 1808 [5]
I consider the government of the United States as interdicted [prohibited] by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions . . . or exercises. Letter to Samuel Millar, 1808 [6]
By the same token, Jefferson was responsible for using the halls of Congress for church services:
Religion and the Federal Government Part 2 - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic Exhibitions Library of CongressIt is no exaggeration to say that on Sundays in Washington during the administrations of Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) and of James Madison (1809-1817) the state became the church. Within a year of his inauguration, Jefferson began attending church services in the House of Representatives. Madison followed Jefferson's example, although unlike Jefferson, who rode on horseback to church in the Capitol, Madison came in a coach and four. Worship services in the House--a practice that continued until after the Civil War--were acceptable to Jefferson because they were nondiscriminatory and voluntary. Preachers of every Protestant denomination appeared. (Catholic priests began officiating in 1826.) As early as January 1806 a female evangelist, Dorothy Ripley, delivered a camp meeting-style exhortation in the House to Jefferson, Vice President Aaron Burr, and a "crowded audience." Throughout his administration Jefferson permitted church services in executive branch buildings. The Gospel was also preached in the Supreme Court chambers.
The first Congress sponsored the first Bible printed in the USA:
Religion and the Congress of the Confederation - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic Exhibitions Library of CongressCongress appointed chaplains for itself and the armed forces, sponsored the publication of a Bible, imposed Christian morality on the armed forces, and granted public lands to promote Christianity among the Indians. National days of thanksgiving and of "humiliation, fasting, and prayer" were proclaimed by Congress at least twice a year throughout the war. Congress was guided by "covenant theology," a Reformation doctrine especially dear to New England Puritans, which held that God bound himself in an agreement with a nation and its people. This agreement stipulated that they "should be prosperous or afflicted, according as their general Obedience or Disobedience thereto appears." Wars and revolutions were, accordingly, considered afflictions, as divine punishments for sin, from which a nation could rescue itself by repentance and reformation.
Are you joining PolitcalSpice in her crusade to tear down the wall of separation between church and state?
Yes or no?
As you learned earlier, Chief Justice Rehnquist stated that the Jefferson quote has been misinterpreted.
You, being an imbecile, require remediation:
Hugo Black's anti-Catholic bias, showed up in his actions on the Supreme Court:
"... Black was head of new members for the largest Klan cell in the South. New members of the KKK had to pledge their allegiance to the “eternal separation of Church and State.”... Separation was a crucial part of the KKK’s jurisprudential agenda. It was included in the Klansman’s Creed..."
http://egnorance.blogspot.com/2011/10/hugo-black-and-real-history-of-wall-of.html]
Jefferson’s wall in actuality had federal government on one side of the wall and the state government and religion on the other side. The barrier was impervious in only one direction — meaning federal government was to have no control over the religious activities inside the individual states. This was in line with Jefferson’s strict interpretation of the non-establishment clause.
Yet more flailing ignorance on your part.
The states cannot impose a state religion because that would violate the federal constitution.
Try enrolling in an adult remedial education class for social studies at your local community college, PoliticalSpice.
But religious people can.There is no such "wall, " you uneducated dunce.
The KKKer, Hugo Black, FDR's first Supreme Court nominee, inserted it and dopes like you believe that the concept was not anathema to the view of the Founders.
- The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting ... First Amendment to the United States Constitution
Once again PoliticalSpice exposes her woeful ignorance of American history.
The KKKer, Hugo Black, FDR's first Supreme Court nominee, inserted it and dopes like you believe that the concept was no anathema to the view of the Founders.
Try reading Thomas Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists.
Jefferson s Letter to the Danbury Baptists June 1998 - Library of Congress Information Bulletin
GentlemenJan. 1. 1802.
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
Th Jefferson
It was Jefferson himself who first used the phrase to describe the intent of the 1st Amendment.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself!
Jefferson recognized America as a Christian nation but didn't believe that any particular denomination should be dominant over the others. That was one of the reasons why he broke from England. He was wholly opposed to any government regulating a person's right to religion:
WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - The Separation of Church and StateJefferson understood their concern; it was also his own. In fact, he made numerous declarations about the constitutional inability of the federal government to regulate, restrict, or interfere with religious expression. For example:
[N]o power over the freedom of religion . . . [is] delegated to the United States by the Constitution. Kentucky Resolution, 1798 [3]
In matters of religion, I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the Constitution independent of the powers of the general [federal] government. Second Inaugural Address, 1805 [4]
[O]ur excellent Constitution . . . has not placed our religious rights under the power of any public functionary. Letter to the Methodist Episcopal Church, 1808 [5]
I consider the government of the United States as interdicted [prohibited] by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions . . . or exercises. Letter to Samuel Millar, 1808 [6]
By the same token, Jefferson was responsible for using the halls of Congress for church services:
Religion and the Federal Government Part 2 - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic Exhibitions Library of CongressIt is no exaggeration to say that on Sundays in Washington during the administrations of Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) and of James Madison (1809-1817) the state became the church. Within a year of his inauguration, Jefferson began attending church services in the House of Representatives. Madison followed Jefferson's example, although unlike Jefferson, who rode on horseback to church in the Capitol, Madison came in a coach and four. Worship services in the House--a practice that continued until after the Civil War--were acceptable to Jefferson because they were nondiscriminatory and voluntary. Preachers of every Protestant denomination appeared. (Catholic priests began officiating in 1826.) As early as January 1806 a female evangelist, Dorothy Ripley, delivered a camp meeting-style exhortation in the House to Jefferson, Vice President Aaron Burr, and a "crowded audience." Throughout his administration Jefferson permitted church services in executive branch buildings. The Gospel was also preached in the Supreme Court chambers.
The first Congress sponsored the first Bible printed in the USA:
Religion and the Congress of the Confederation - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic Exhibitions Library of CongressCongress appointed chaplains for itself and the armed forces, sponsored the publication of a Bible, imposed Christian morality on the armed forces, and granted public lands to promote Christianity among the Indians. National days of thanksgiving and of "humiliation, fasting, and prayer" were proclaimed by Congress at least twice a year throughout the war. Congress was guided by "covenant theology," a Reformation doctrine especially dear to New England Puritans, which held that God bound himself in an agreement with a nation and its people. This agreement stipulated that they "should be prosperous or afflicted, according as their general Obedience or Disobedience thereto appears." Wars and revolutions were, accordingly, considered afflictions, as divine punishments for sin, from which a nation could rescue itself by repentance and reformation.
Are you joining PoliticalSpice in her crusade to tear down the wall of separation between church and state?
Yes or no?
Never has been a separation. You and others have embraced a misconception routinely spewed forth as "truth" in America's public FOOL system. The Constitution protects religious folks from government but government can be influenced by religion.
If that is what you were taught when you were home schooled you should ask for your money back because it it utterly fallacious.
Religion doesn't get to dictate what a secular government does.
And once again the OP exhibits her ignorance of the Constitution and its case law.Once again Don PoliticalSpice Quixote is on her futile crusade to tear down the wall of separation between church and state.
There is no such "wall, " you uneducated dunce.
The KKKer, Hugo Black, FDR's first Supreme Court nominee, inserted it and dopes like you believe that the concept was not anathema to the view of the Founders.
- The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting ... First Amendment to the United States Constitution
Once again PoliticalSpice exposes her woeful ignorance of American history.
The KKKer, Hugo Black, FDR's first Supreme Court nominee, inserted it and dopes like you believe that the concept was no anathema to the view of the Founders.
Try reading Thomas Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists.
Jefferson s Letter to the Danbury Baptists June 1998 - Library of Congress Information Bulletin
GentlemenJan. 1. 1802.
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
Th Jefferson
It was Jefferson himself who first used the phrase to describe the intent of the 1st Amendment.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself!
The Constitution and case law are two very different things. Can you guess which one is the law of the land?And once again the OP exhibits her ignorance of the Constitution and its case law.Once again Don PoliticalSpice Quixote is on her futile crusade to tear down the wall of separation between church and state.
There is no such "wall, " you uneducated dunce.
The KKKer, Hugo Black, FDR's first Supreme Court nominee, inserted it and dopes like you believe that the concept was not anathema to the view of the Founders.
- The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting ... First Amendment to the United States Constitution
Once again PoliticalSpice exposes her woeful ignorance of American history.
The KKKer, Hugo Black, FDR's first Supreme Court nominee, inserted it and dopes like you believe that the concept was no anathema to the view of the Founders.
Try reading Thomas Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists.
Jefferson s Letter to the Danbury Baptists June 1998 - Library of Congress Information Bulletin
GentlemenJan. 1. 1802.
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
Th Jefferson
It was Jefferson himself who first used the phrase to describe the intent of the 1st Amendment.
Once again you have made a fool of yourself!
