The Post-Trump GOP

[Mac1958]

Yeah, but I don't. So you're just wrong.

You strongly object to trump voters

which is why you keep attacking them

I've said it a thousand times: History has shown us that it's not the individual, it's those who enable him.

It may turn out that his presidency will have been a great thing, in that it may have been the ultimate cautionary tale.

I don't know why you spend so much time worrying about me. I guess I should be flattered, but I don't get it.

One of these days you may post something that's actually true or relevant.


NAHHHH!

Probably never, in your world.

Not much I can do about that.

And, you want to share a country with us....why?

It's a question I've never considered, so I couldn't tell you.

Wouldn't you be happier not sharing a county with people like us, whom you despise and ridicule constantly?

Wouldn't that be better. You don't need us, do you?

But I don't despise you, even though the other day you were demanding my home address with the inference that you would either assault or murder me. It's just not an emotion that afflicts me.

I really don't know what you're after here, but I do know this is tedious. I'm just not like you.

Yeah, right, because you're not a "winger?"

Not like you, that's for sure.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Just know this, people.....


Texas is GONE.

It's only a matter of when and how.

Then do it or shut the hell up about it!

Soon.

Keep daring us. That's CERTAIN to calm everything down.

Why dare and just do it!

Nothing but talk, talk, talk and in 2024 when a Republican win you will celebrate while idiots in California scream they are leaving!

So do it or shut the hell up!

 

[Mac1958]

What's next for the GOP?

A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.

At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?

Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit

"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”

www.politico.com

‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems

Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.

www.politico.com

Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.

I don't see how the current itteration of the Republican Party can continue to exist. They have no platform, no plan, they just want to whine about white grievance and do nothing. And they've have utterly abandoned the Constitution in an effort to retain while male dominance of the government and the nation's wealth, at any cost.

When you look at it, Trump didn't manage the affairs of the country at all - other than to cut taxes, and offend your allies. He cut all regulations regardless of their use or purpose causing the quality of both air and water to deteriorate, but it did nothing to improve job creation.

His fiscal policies accelerated the rise of the oligarchs and concentration of wealth at the top, at the expense of an ever shrinking middle class. 8 million people have fallen into poverty since the start of this pandemic, while Trump pushes the nation to get back to work, and tries to cut off aid to the unemployed.

The Republican Party had no platform or 2nd term plan going into the 2020 election, other than whatever Trump decides to do, we're with him. But the electorate, at large, is exhausted and burned out by the chaos in Washington, and by the dysfunction in Congress. Trump really had no plan for after the inauguration either so he just winged it throughout and accomplished very little other than to wreck everything he laid his hands on.

The principle job of government is crisis management, and Republicans are really poor at management of anything. That's why all of the cities are run by Democrats. Look at what passes for crisis management in the pandemic in red states.

Republicans used to have a lot of economic ideas, most of them parroting Milton Friedman and his Chigaco School of Economics free market plan, which eliminated all government regulation of the prices and labour and allowed the "libertarian market" to decide, on the premise that the net result would be an equitable distribution of capital.

Republicans are quick to point to Venzuela, and other South American hellholes as proof positive of the failures of "socialism", but the current economy inequity, poverty and second world nations status of South America is a direct result of Milton Friedman and his capitalism unchained policies. Prices rose, wages dropped, and when the crash came, millions were thrown into poverty, while the rich made out like bandits, using the crashes to further supress wages as desperate people will accept any amount of money rather than starve.

Right now Republicans are trying to cut off unemployment benefits, which Mitch McConnell says will "discourage workers" from taking jobs that pay less than the $2000 a month the government is paying. In Canada, my younger family and friends are complaining they aren't being "allowed" to work, because the $2000 per month isn't really enough to maintain their current lifestyles.

While Americans are trying to get back to "normal", the rest of the world is moving toward what "normal" will look like as we get control of the virus. The Republican Party is trying to end the Republic and establish authoritarian white male rule, to suppress the will of the people. I don't know how you can salvage the GOP from that, or even that you should.

I think the Lincoln Party Republicans need to start their own Party, but one which is working for the good of all of the people, as set out in the Constitution, rather than seeking to pervert the Constitution to the will of the elite. A party with an actual Platform, and programs other than cut taxes, spent money on the military, and put it all on the credit card, because that's not working. Nor is the supression of racial minorities.

I keep bringing this up, but I'm convinced that the current Trumpist iteration of the party is essentially a macro-political version of talk radio. In 2016, he saw that 95% of the energy in party was in those people, not the more moderate Republicans, and he went after them with a vengeance. And he never stopped, it was his entire freaking presidency.

As it turns out, talk radio doesn't translate. It does what it is modeled to do: Create and feed into anger and frustration for ratings.

And you're right, the anti-Trumpsters may need to go for short term pain for long term gain. They may have to just rip the scab off now and go their own way. And I very much wonder how many in the party only voted for Trump because of the (R), and would rather just go the more sane direction.

The Lincoln people may have to burn it down and look long term.

 

[bripat9643]

Just know this, people.....


Texas is GONE.

It's only a matter of when and how.

Then do it or shut the hell up about it!

Soon.

Keep daring us. That's CERTAIN to calm everything down.

Why dare and just do it!

Nothing but talk, talk, talk and in 2024 when a Republican win you will celebrate while idiots in California scream they are leaving!

So do it or shut the hell up!

Just to irritate you, moron.

Yeah, why don't you start a Civil War? What's the big deal?

 

[Devils_Advocate]

DO YOU WANT A CIVIL WAR? BECAUSE THIS IS HOW YOU GET A CIVIL WAR.

Sounds fun
We will kick your asses just like the last time

So, you do want a civil war. Good to know. So, Rightwiner, any further complaints about some leftard getting run over by a car, or beat down by cops, will be met with laughter, because you have admitted that you want such shit and lots and lots more of it.

Must remember to ridicule RW, in this regard.

I haven’t seen a liberal start a Civil War thread.......that would be sore loser MAGAs

But I laugh, because we would kick you asses

My perspective in not so much on winner or losing, but on the horrific suffering and waste to be caused by hte conflict.


All because fuckers like you, feel a need to oppress people like me.


I hope karma is a real thing. Because you would have built up a mountain of karmic debt to pay off. And I hope I get to see it.

You are always so angry

Stop playing the victim and move on with your life.

Stop giving me cause to be angry, and I will stop being angry.


Until then, go fuck yourself.

You are always so angry and always play the victim

You need to chill out and enjoy Biden’s America

Where me and mine are completely marginalized?

Nope. I will look forward to the first time that the violence hits close to home to you, and you start whining so I can point out that you thought this would be fun.

You won’t be marginalized

You are free to buy electric cars, eat tofu and hug any tree you wish

Your lies are dismissed we can see though your actions over the last few years, the Hellhole you people will turn this nation into.

Violent mobs ruling the streets. Big Tech censoring any dissent. Corrupt DA arresting people and railroading them to prison, while giving politically correct people passes for hte same behavior.


YOu want a civil war? This is how you get a civil war.

You will learn to love Biden’s America

I will never love the way fucktards like you, discriminate and oppress people like me.


And neither will the vast majority of people like me.


YOu like violent mobs in the streets? People will fight back.

Even angry Americans like you are welcome in Biden’s America

Your lies are dismissed.

Biden 306-232 is no lie

And just like that, you drop your previous lie and move on to an utterly unrelated topic.

YOu are just a troll. And an asshole. And a fucking coward.

No Lie

Biden won 306-232

I congratulated you in 2016 the morning Trump won by the same margin. Why can’t you do the same?

Because they truly believe the election was stolen...

But they believe without evidence that is laughable and shown to be urban legend at best. So the outcome of the election is NOT something up to rational differences, and Trump really did lose because more LEGAL votes were cast for Biden.

I did have some empathy for Hillary voters, including my wife, because without Comey she most likely would have won. But she didn't, and her voters accepted it and moved on. (pun intended) I could have similar empathy for Trump supporters because without covid, which was not of his doing as was the antipathy towards him, he's most likely have won a second term going away.

Covid did hurt him because it allowed more people to vote, well it got more people to vote and it cost him big time.

Trump just like Hillary should own their own demise and had they been a true leader they would have risen above it all and won.

Sure Comey did harm Hillary and so did Russian trolls and hackers and Jill Stein and Bernie hurt her also but let be factual and Hillary just like Trump can and many times are their own worst enemies and their arrogance cost them...

Do I actually believe Biden won because he was so damn popular or that Trump cost himself this election with how he has acted over the year and people losing their jobs, family members and knowing 2021 could be much darker than this year?

As fools that still believe Trump was cheated, well they also believed Obama was born in Kenya, so you must know those idiots believe anything as long it fit in their reality which is a dark and twisted nightmare...

 

[Devils_Advocate]

What's next for the GOP?

A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.

At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?

Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit

"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”

www.politico.com

‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems

Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.

www.politico.com

Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.

I don't see how the current itteration of the Republican Party can continue to exist. They have no platform, no plan, they just want to whine about white grievance and do nothing. And they've have utterly abandoned the Constitution in an effort to retain while male dominance of the government and the nation's wealth, at any cost.

When you look at it, Trump didn't manage the affairs of the country at all - other than to cut taxes, and offend your allies. He cut all regulations regardless of their use or purpose causing the quality of both air and water to deteriorate, but it did nothing to improve job creation.

His fiscal policies accelerated the rise of the oligarchs and concentration of wealth at the top, at the expense of an ever shrinking middle class. 8 million people have fallen into poverty since the start of this pandemic, while Trump pushes the nation to get back to work, and tries to cut off aid to the unemployed.

The Republican Party had no platform or 2nd term plan going into the 2020 election, other than whatever Trump decides to do, we're with him. But the electorate, at large, is exhausted and burned out by the chaos in Washington, and by the dysfunction in Congress. Trump really had no plan for after the inauguration either so he just winged it throughout and accomplished very little other than to wreck everything he laid his hands on.

The principle job of government is crisis management, and Republicans are really poor at management of anything. That's why all of the cities are run by Democrats. Look at what passes for crisis management in the pandemic in red states.

Republicans used to have a lot of economic ideas, most of them parroting Milton Friedman and his Chigaco School of Economics free market plan, which eliminated all government regulation of the prices and labour and allowed the "libertarian market" to decide, on the premise that the net result would be an equitable distribution of capital.

Republicans are quick to point to Venzuela, and other South American hellholes as proof positive of the failures of "socialism", but the current economy inequity, poverty and second world nations status of South America is a direct result of Milton Friedman and his capitalism unchained policies. Prices rose, wages dropped, and when the crash came, millions were thrown into poverty, while the rich made out like bandits, using the crashes to further supress wages as desperate people will accept any amount of money rather than starve.

Right now Republicans are trying to cut off unemployment benefits, which Mitch McConnell says will "discourage workers" from taking jobs that pay less than the $2000 a month the government is paying. In Canada, my younger family and friends are complaining they aren't being "allowed" to work, because the $2000 per month isn't really enough to maintain their current lifestyles.

While Americans are trying to get back to "normal", the rest of the world is moving toward what "normal" will look like as we get control of the virus. The Republican Party is trying to end the Republic and establish authoritarian white male rule, to suppress the will of the people. I don't know how you can salvage the GOP from that, or even that you should.

I think the Lincoln Party Republicans need to start their own Party, but one which is working for the good of all of the people, as set out in the Constitution, rather than seeking to pervert the Constitution to the will of the elite. A party with an actual Platform, and programs other than cut taxes, spent money on the military, and put it all on the credit card, because that's not working. Nor is the supression of racial minorities.

I keep bringing this up, but I'm convinced that the current Trumpist iteration of the party is essentially a macro-political version of talk radio. In 2016, he saw that 95% of the energy in party was in those people, not the more moderate Republicans, and he went after them with a vengeance. And he never stopped, it was his entire freaking presidency.

As it turns out, talk radio doesn't translate. It does what it is modeled to do: Create and feed into anger and frustration for ratings.

And you're right, the anti-Trumpsters may need to go for short term pain for long term gain. They may have to just rip the scab off now and go their own way. And I very much wonder how many in the party only voted for Trump because of the (R), and would rather just go the more sane direction.

The Lincoln people may have to burn it down and look long term.

Those like me which is those that supported the Lincoln Project believe the party need a purge and a reset.

The GOP need it next Reagan after Trump doing a poor version of Nixon!

 

[bripat9643]

What's next for the GOP?

A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.

At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?

Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit

"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”

www.politico.com

‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems

Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.

www.politico.com

Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.

I don't see how the current itteration of the Republican Party can continue to exist. They have no platform, no plan, they just want to whine about white grievance and do nothing. And they've have utterly abandoned the Constitution in an effort to retain while male dominance of the government and the nation's wealth, at any cost.

When you look at it, Trump didn't manage the affairs of the country at all - other than to cut taxes, and offend your allies. He cut all regulations regardless of their use or purpose causing the quality of both air and water to deteriorate, but it did nothing to improve job creation.

His fiscal policies accelerated the rise of the oligarchs and concentration of wealth at the top, at the expense of an ever shrinking middle class. 8 million people have fallen into poverty since the start of this pandemic, while Trump pushes the nation to get back to work, and tries to cut off aid to the unemployed.

The Republican Party had no platform or 2nd term plan going into the 2020 election, other than whatever Trump decides to do, we're with him. But the electorate, at large, is exhausted and burned out by the chaos in Washington, and by the dysfunction in Congress. Trump really had no plan for after the inauguration either so he just winged it throughout and accomplished very little other than to wreck everything he laid his hands on.

The principle job of government is crisis management, and Republicans are really poor at management of anything. That's why all of the cities are run by Democrats. Look at what passes for crisis management in the pandemic in red states.

Republicans used to have a lot of economic ideas, most of them parroting Milton Friedman and his Chigaco School of Economics free market plan, which eliminated all government regulation of the prices and labour and allowed the "libertarian market" to decide, on the premise that the net result would be an equitable distribution of capital.

Republicans are quick to point to Venzuela, and other South American hellholes as proof positive of the failures of "socialism", but the current economy inequity, poverty and second world nations status of South America is a direct result of Milton Friedman and his capitalism unchained policies. Prices rose, wages dropped, and when the crash came, millions were thrown into poverty, while the rich made out like bandits, using the crashes to further supress wages as desperate people will accept any amount of money rather than starve.

Right now Republicans are trying to cut off unemployment benefits, which Mitch McConnell says will "discourage workers" from taking jobs that pay less than the $2000 a month the government is paying. In Canada, my younger family and friends are complaining they aren't being "allowed" to work, because the $2000 per month isn't really enough to maintain their current lifestyles.

While Americans are trying to get back to "normal", the rest of the world is moving toward what "normal" will look like as we get control of the virus. The Republican Party is trying to end the Republic and establish authoritarian white male rule, to suppress the will of the people. I don't know how you can salvage the GOP from that, or even that you should.

I think the Lincoln Party Republicans need to start their own Party, but one which is working for the good of all of the people, as set out in the Constitution, rather than seeking to pervert the Constitution to the will of the elite. A party with an actual Platform, and programs other than cut taxes, spent money on the military, and put it all on the credit card, because that's not working. Nor is the supression of racial minorities.

I keep bringing this up, but I'm convinced that the current Trumpist iteration of the party is essentially a macro-political version of talk radio. In 2016, he saw that 95% of the energy in party was in those people, not the more moderate Republicans, and he went after them with a vengeance. And he never stopped, it was his entire freaking presidency.

As it turns out, talk radio doesn't translate. It does what it is modeled to do: Create and feed into anger and frustration for ratings.

And you're right, the anti-Trumpsters may need to go for short term pain for long term gain. They may have to just rip the scab off now and go their own way. And I very much wonder how many in the party only voted for Trump because of the (R), and would rather just go the more sane direction.

The Lincoln people may have to burn it down and look long term.

You can't count the never Trumpers on your fingers and toes. Listening to some leftwinger whine about "more moderate Republicans" is enough to make you want to vomit. You're the one who keeps denying that you're a moderate, aren't you? We'll just take that post as an admission that you're a winger.

Good riddance to the anti-Trumpers. You wingers are welcome to them.

 

[Mac1958]

When did Trump threaten to piss on the Constitution?

When he declared *before* the election he will only accept the result if he wins, and when after the election, he pushed the lie narrative to "fraud" among his supporters to undermine the will of the people and the institutions of the free republic as they are determined in the Constitution.

Sorry, but saying things that you disagree with is not "pissing on the Constitution."

If these things I disagree with are a concerted effort to cling to power despite the clear will of the people that was declared in a free election (you could also call that "putsch" or "coup d'état"), then yes, that is "pissing on the Constitution" in my book.

"The clear will of the people" my ass. The election was a swindle. It wasn't "free" by any stretch of the imagination.

Even if it was the clear will of the people, disagreeing is not a crime, you Nazi asshole.

according to elections infrastructure council and committees:

There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.

Do they teach you to keep repeating that lie in your propaganda training?

Of course they do.

There is no evidence election was

When did Trump threaten to piss on the Constitution?

When he declared *before* the election he will only accept the result if he wins, and when after the election, he pushed the lie narrative to "fraud" among his supporters to undermine the will of the people and the institutions of the free republic as they are determined in the Constitution.

Sorry, but saying things that you disagree with is not "pissing on the Constitution."

If these things I disagree with are a concerted effort to cling to power despite the clear will of the people that was declared in a free election (you could also call that "putsch" or "coup d'état"), then yes, that is "pissing on the Constitution" in my book.

"The clear will of the people" my ass. The election was a swindle. It wasn't "free" by any stretch of the imagination.

Even if it was the clear will of the people, disagreeing is not a crime, you Nazi asshole.

according to elections infrastructure council and committees:

There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.

Do they teach you to keep repeating that lie in your propaganda training?

Of course they do.

the link i provided is the authoritative source: US election infrastructure committee and counsel.

You mean evidence that would be acceptable in a court of law?


No, you ain’t got any

If Trump claims it, it's evidence enough for the flock.

Republican governors, Republican election officials, the Attorney General, Trump-appointed judges, the Supreme Court -- Trump knows more about the law than all of them put together.

Believe me.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

If Trump claims it, it's evidence enough for the flock.

What if the the "flock" stayed up on election night and watched the numbers flip while counting had allegedly stopped for the night. That wouldn't be Trump telling us what we saw. That would be our only fucking eyes.

Keep up the attitude. Keep up the "mindless drone" ridicule. It grows our numbers.

Texas is GONE!!!.

It's only a matter of time.

 

[Mac-7]

What's next for the GOP?

A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.

At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?

Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit

"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”

www.politico.com

‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems

Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.

www.politico.com

Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.

The never-trumpers are daydreaming

their name is mud in the republican and democrat party

all they can do is deny their guilt in helping to cheat trump voters and hope the anger subsides in time

But if so it will be a very long time in my opinion

 

[Aldo Raine]

Republicans are being short sighted

Pandering to the MAGA crowd may help them win with the older, white Christians who fear their loss of power.

But younger Americans and minorities are repulsed by the actions of the far right. They are lost forever

I think the Republicans are very capable of alienating conservatives if they put their mind to it.

The Late John McCain and Mitt Romney were tremendous in doing that. But the key of the LP folks is to expel the base from the Republican Party so they can reassert control.

John McCain was a Maverick. He would back his party but when given a choice between party and his state, he would do what was in the best interest of his state.

Romney is a devout Mormon. As such, he is repulsed by Trump and his antics. He votes accordingly

McCain was willing to betray his party for good press. He thought that would get him in the White House.


But you people turned on his, on a dime. Because everything you say, is a bullshit. so reversing course is easy for you.


That you took him back afterwards, and that he accepted that, is him being a broken old man.

McCain backed Republicans on Trumpcare, he voted for it.

However, when Republicans pivoted and went to a blind repeal of Obamacare without anything to cover those who would lose coverage......He gave a thumbs down

Bunk. He opposed it to fuck Trump.

Nobody wants to actually fuck tRump, believe that. It is why he has to pay the Stormy Daniels of the world.

MAGA

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And yet none want tRump!!!!!

MAGA

 

[bendog]

DO YOU WANT A CIVIL WAR? BECAUSE THIS IS HOW YOU GET A CIVIL WAR.

Sounds fun
We will kick your asses just like the last time

So, you do want a civil war. Good to know. So, Rightwiner, any further complaints about some leftard getting run over by a car, or beat down by cops, will be met with laughter, because you have admitted that you want such shit and lots and lots more of it.

Must remember to ridicule RW, in this regard.

I haven’t seen a liberal start a Civil War thread.......that would be sore loser MAGAs

But I laugh, because we would kick you asses

My perspective in not so much on winner or losing, but on the horrific suffering and waste to be caused by hte conflict.


All because fuckers like you, feel a need to oppress people like me.


I hope karma is a real thing. Because you would have built up a mountain of karmic debt to pay off. And I hope I get to see it.

You are always so angry

Stop playing the victim and move on with your life.

Stop giving me cause to be angry, and I will stop being angry.


Until then, go fuck yourself.

You are always so angry and always play the victim

You need to chill out and enjoy Biden’s America

Where me and mine are completely marginalized?

Nope. I will look forward to the first time that the violence hits close to home to you, and you start whining so I can point out that you thought this would be fun.

You won’t be marginalized

You are free to buy electric cars, eat tofu and hug any tree you wish

Your lies are dismissed we can see though your actions over the last few years, the Hellhole you people will turn this nation into.

Violent mobs ruling the streets. Big Tech censoring any dissent. Corrupt DA arresting people and railroading them to prison, while giving politically correct people passes for hte same behavior.


YOu want a civil war? This is how you get a civil war.

You will learn to love Biden’s America

I will never love the way fucktards like you, discriminate and oppress people like me.


And neither will the vast majority of people like me.


YOu like violent mobs in the streets? People will fight back.

Even angry Americans like you are welcome in Biden’s America

Your lies are dismissed.

Biden 306-232 is no lie

And just like that, you drop your previous lie and move on to an utterly unrelated topic.

YOu are just a troll. And an asshole. And a fucking coward.

No Lie

Biden won 306-232

I congratulated you in 2016 the morning Trump won by the same margin. Why can’t you do the same?

Because they truly believe the election was stolen...

But they believe without evidence that is laughable and shown to be urban legend at best. So the outcome of the election is NOT something up to rational differences, and Trump really did lose because more LEGAL votes were cast for Biden.

I did have some empathy for Hillary voters, including my wife, because without Comey she most likely would have won. But she didn't, and her voters accepted it and moved on. (pun intended) I could have similar empathy for Trump supporters because without covid, which was not of his doing as was the antipathy towards him, he's most likely have won a second term going away.

Covid did hurt him because it allowed more people to vote, well it got more people to vote and it cost him big time.

Trump just like Hillary should own their own demise and had they been a true leader they would have risen above it all and won.

Sure Comey did harm Hillary and so did Russian trolls and hackers and Jill Stein and Bernie hurt her also but let be factual and Hillary just like Trump can and many times are their own worst enemies and their arrogance cost them...

Do I actually believe Biden won because he was so damn popular or that Trump cost himself this election with how he has acted over the year and people losing their jobs, family members and knowing 2021 could be much darker than this year?

As fools that still believe Trump was cheated, well they also believed Obama was born in Kenya, so you must know those idiots believe anything as long it fit in their reality which is a dark and twisted nightmare...

Oh sure, Hillary's emails and foundation problems were her own making. And Trump's mishandling of covid was his own making. The difference is that Hillary supporters were rational enough to accept her failing.

 

[bendog]

What's next for the GOP?

A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.

At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?

Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit

"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”

www.politico.com

‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems

Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.

www.politico.com

Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.

The never-trumpers are daydreaming

their name is mud in the republican and democrat party

all they can do is deny their guilt in helping to cheat trump voters and hope the anger subsides in time

But if so it will be a very long time in my opinion

You trumapnzees are 0 for a million in court challenges of vote tabulations by Republican officials. You got nothing but your own delusions and desire for victim status.

 

[bendog]

What's next for the GOP?

A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.

At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?

Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit

"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”

www.politico.com

‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems

Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.

www.politico.com

Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.

I don't see how the current itteration of the Republican Party can continue to exist. They have no platform, no plan, they just want to whine about white grievance and do nothing. And they've have utterly abandoned the Constitution in an effort to retain while male dominance of the government and the nation's wealth, at any cost.

When you look at it, Trump didn't manage the affairs of the country at all - other than to cut taxes, and offend your allies. He cut all regulations regardless of their use or purpose causing the quality of both air and water to deteriorate, but it did nothing to improve job creation.

His fiscal policies accelerated the rise of the oligarchs and concentration of wealth at the top, at the expense of an ever shrinking middle class. 8 million people have fallen into poverty since the start of this pandemic, while Trump pushes the nation to get back to work, and tries to cut off aid to the unemployed.

The Republican Party had no platform or 2nd term plan going into the 2020 election, other than whatever Trump decides to do, we're with him. But the electorate, at large, is exhausted and burned out by the chaos in Washington, and by the dysfunction in Congress. Trump really had no plan for after the inauguration either so he just winged it throughout and accomplished very little other than to wreck everything he laid his hands on.

The principle job of government is crisis management, and Republicans are really poor at management of anything. That's why all of the cities are run by Democrats. Look at what passes for crisis management in the pandemic in red states.

Republicans used to have a lot of economic ideas, most of them parroting Milton Friedman and his Chigaco School of Economics free market plan, which eliminated all government regulation of the prices and labour and allowed the "libertarian market" to decide, on the premise that the net result would be an equitable distribution of capital.

Republicans are quick to point to Venzuela, and other South American hellholes as proof positive of the failures of "socialism", but the current economy inequity, poverty and second world nations status of South America is a direct result of Milton Friedman and his capitalism unchained policies. Prices rose, wages dropped, and when the crash came, millions were thrown into poverty, while the rich made out like bandits, using the crashes to further supress wages as desperate people will accept any amount of money rather than starve.

Right now Republicans are trying to cut off unemployment benefits, which Mitch McConnell says will "discourage workers" from taking jobs that pay less than the $2000 a month the government is paying. In Canada, my younger family and friends are complaining they aren't being "allowed" to work, because the $2000 per month isn't really enough to maintain their current lifestyles.

While Americans are trying to get back to "normal", the rest of the world is moving toward what "normal" will look like as we get control of the virus. The Republican Party is trying to end the Republic and establish authoritarian white male rule, to suppress the will of the people. I don't know how you can salvage the GOP from that, or even that you should.

I think the Lincoln Party Republicans need to start their own Party, but one which is working for the good of all of the people, as set out in the Constitution, rather than seeking to pervert the Constitution to the will of the elite. A party with an actual Platform, and programs other than cut taxes, spent money on the military, and put it all on the credit card, because that's not working. Nor is the supression of racial minorities.

I keep bringing this up, but I'm convinced that the current Trumpist iteration of the party is essentially a macro-political version of talk radio. In 2016, he saw that 95% of the energy in party was in those people, not the more moderate Republicans, and he went after them with a vengeance. And he never stopped, it was his entire freaking presidency.

As it turns out, talk radio doesn't translate. It does what it is modeled to do: Create and feed into anger and frustration for ratings.

And you're right, the anti-Trumpsters may need to go for short term pain for long term gain. They may have to just rip the scab off now and go their own way. And I very much wonder how many in the party only voted for Trump because of the (R), and would rather just go the more sane direction.

The Lincoln people may have to burn it down and look long term.

I don't think the Lincoln people have any votes in the gop.

 

[Mac1958]

What's next for the GOP?

A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.

At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?

Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit

"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”

www.politico.com

‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems

Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.

www.politico.com

Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.

I don't see how the current itteration of the Republican Party can continue to exist. They have no platform, no plan, they just want to whine about white grievance and do nothing. And they've have utterly abandoned the Constitution in an effort to retain while male dominance of the government and the nation's wealth, at any cost.

When you look at it, Trump didn't manage the affairs of the country at all - other than to cut taxes, and offend your allies. He cut all regulations regardless of their use or purpose causing the quality of both air and water to deteriorate, but it did nothing to improve job creation.

His fiscal policies accelerated the rise of the oligarchs and concentration of wealth at the top, at the expense of an ever shrinking middle class. 8 million people have fallen into poverty since the start of this pandemic, while Trump pushes the nation to get back to work, and tries to cut off aid to the unemployed.

The Republican Party had no platform or 2nd term plan going into the 2020 election, other than whatever Trump decides to do, we're with him. But the electorate, at large, is exhausted and burned out by the chaos in Washington, and by the dysfunction in Congress. Trump really had no plan for after the inauguration either so he just winged it throughout and accomplished very little other than to wreck everything he laid his hands on.

The principle job of government is crisis management, and Republicans are really poor at management of anything. That's why all of the cities are run by Democrats. Look at what passes for crisis management in the pandemic in red states.

Republicans used to have a lot of economic ideas, most of them parroting Milton Friedman and his Chigaco School of Economics free market plan, which eliminated all government regulation of the prices and labour and allowed the "libertarian market" to decide, on the premise that the net result would be an equitable distribution of capital.

Republicans are quick to point to Venzuela, and other South American hellholes as proof positive of the failures of "socialism", but the current economy inequity, poverty and second world nations status of South America is a direct result of Milton Friedman and his capitalism unchained policies. Prices rose, wages dropped, and when the crash came, millions were thrown into poverty, while the rich made out like bandits, using the crashes to further supress wages as desperate people will accept any amount of money rather than starve.

Right now Republicans are trying to cut off unemployment benefits, which Mitch McConnell says will "discourage workers" from taking jobs that pay less than the $2000 a month the government is paying. In Canada, my younger family and friends are complaining they aren't being "allowed" to work, because the $2000 per month isn't really enough to maintain their current lifestyles.

While Americans are trying to get back to "normal", the rest of the world is moving toward what "normal" will look like as we get control of the virus. The Republican Party is trying to end the Republic and establish authoritarian white male rule, to suppress the will of the people. I don't know how you can salvage the GOP from that, or even that you should.

I think the Lincoln Party Republicans need to start their own Party, but one which is working for the good of all of the people, as set out in the Constitution, rather than seeking to pervert the Constitution to the will of the elite. A party with an actual Platform, and programs other than cut taxes, spent money on the military, and put it all on the credit card, because that's not working. Nor is the supression of racial minorities.

I keep bringing this up, but I'm convinced that the current Trumpist iteration of the party is essentially a macro-political version of talk radio. In 2016, he saw that 95% of the energy in party was in those people, not the more moderate Republicans, and he went after them with a vengeance. And he never stopped, it was his entire freaking presidency.

As it turns out, talk radio doesn't translate. It does what it is modeled to do: Create and feed into anger and frustration for ratings.

And you're right, the anti-Trumpsters may need to go for short term pain for long term gain. They may have to just rip the scab off now and go their own way. And I very much wonder how many in the party only voted for Trump because of the (R), and would rather just go the more sane direction.

The Lincoln people may have to burn it down and look long term.

I don't think the Lincoln people have any votes in the gop.

If that's true, this just keeps getting uglier.

 

[Mac-7]

You trumapnzees are 0 for a million in court challenges of vote tabulations by Republican officials.

The votes were not stolen at republican polling places

the fraud took place in voting districts that had a democrat voting majority based on the last election

 

[Mac-7]

Republican governors, Republican election officials

Wrong

the fraud took place in democrat controlled counties

 

[Mac1958]

Republican governors, Republican election officials

Wrong
the fraud took place in democrat controlled counties

Republican governors, Republican election officials.

We exist in separate universes.

 

[bendog]

What's next for the GOP?

A couple of very interesting pieces this morning. Interestingly, much of what they cover includes what we've been talking about here. The anti-Trump types like the Lincoln Project know damn well that he has a vice-like grip on the party, and will even have to consider running separate candidates, which we haven't really talked about here. The party is so afraid of Trump, in fact, that they're not even engaging in the traditional post-mortem for fear of angering him. Holy crap.

At the same time, they did do better than expected down ticket (or was it the Democrats doing worse than expected?), so that just muddies the waters even more. So what do the next few years look like for the GOP?

Never-Trump movement splinters as its villain heads for the exit

"Is there a market for an anti-Trump Republican Party now?” said one prominent member of the anti-Trump Lincoln Project. “I would say no.”

www.politico.com

‘Everything’s great’: GOP ditches election post-mortems

Mitt Romney lost by 5 million votes in 2012 and sparked a 100-page RNC autopsy report. Donald Trump lost by 7 million and there isn’t a peep.

www.politico.com

Oh, for Trumpsters: Ignore all this, he won, "by a lot", they cheated, he'll stay in office, MAGA.

I don't see how the current itteration of the Republican Party can continue to exist. They have no platform, no plan, they just want to whine about white grievance and do nothing. And they've have utterly abandoned the Constitution in an effort to retain while male dominance of the government and the nation's wealth, at any cost.

When you look at it, Trump didn't manage the affairs of the country at all - other than to cut taxes, and offend your allies. He cut all regulations regardless of their use or purpose causing the quality of both air and water to deteriorate, but it did nothing to improve job creation.

His fiscal policies accelerated the rise of the oligarchs and concentration of wealth at the top, at the expense of an ever shrinking middle class. 8 million people have fallen into poverty since the start of this pandemic, while Trump pushes the nation to get back to work, and tries to cut off aid to the unemployed.

The Republican Party had no platform or 2nd term plan going into the 2020 election, other than whatever Trump decides to do, we're with him. But the electorate, at large, is exhausted and burned out by the chaos in Washington, and by the dysfunction in Congress. Trump really had no plan for after the inauguration either so he just winged it throughout and accomplished very little other than to wreck everything he laid his hands on.

The principle job of government is crisis management, and Republicans are really poor at management of anything. That's why all of the cities are run by Democrats. Look at what passes for crisis management in the pandemic in red states.

Republicans used to have a lot of economic ideas, most of them parroting Milton Friedman and his Chigaco School of Economics free market plan, which eliminated all government regulation of the prices and labour and allowed the "libertarian market" to decide, on the premise that the net result would be an equitable distribution of capital.

Republicans are quick to point to Venzuela, and other South American hellholes as proof positive of the failures of "socialism", but the current economy inequity, poverty and second world nations status of South America is a direct result of Milton Friedman and his capitalism unchained policies. Prices rose, wages dropped, and when the crash came, millions were thrown into poverty, while the rich made out like bandits, using the crashes to further supress wages as desperate people will accept any amount of money rather than starve.

Right now Republicans are trying to cut off unemployment benefits, which Mitch McConnell says will "discourage workers" from taking jobs that pay less than the $2000 a month the government is paying. In Canada, my younger family and friends are complaining they aren't being "allowed" to work, because the $2000 per month isn't really enough to maintain their current lifestyles.

While Americans are trying to get back to "normal", the rest of the world is moving toward what "normal" will look like as we get control of the virus. The Republican Party is trying to end the Republic and establish authoritarian white male rule, to suppress the will of the people. I don't know how you can salvage the GOP from that, or even that you should.

I think the Lincoln Party Republicans need to start their own Party, but one which is working for the good of all of the people, as set out in the Constitution, rather than seeking to pervert the Constitution to the will of the elite. A party with an actual Platform, and programs other than cut taxes, spent money on the military, and put it all on the credit card, because that's not working. Nor is the supression of racial minorities.

I keep bringing this up, but I'm convinced that the current Trumpist iteration of the party is essentially a macro-political version of talk radio. In 2016, he saw that 95% of the energy in party was in those people, not the more moderate Republicans, and he went after them with a vengeance. And he never stopped, it was his entire freaking presidency.

As it turns out, talk radio doesn't translate. It does what it is modeled to do: Create and feed into anger and frustration for ratings.

And you're right, the anti-Trumpsters may need to go for short term pain for long term gain. They may have to just rip the scab off now and go their own way. And I very much wonder how many in the party only voted for Trump because of the (R), and would rather just go the more sane direction.

The Lincoln people may have to burn it down and look long term.

I don't think the Lincoln people have any votes in the gop.

If that's true, this just keeps getting uglier.

I dunno. I just think that the Never Trumpers like me left the gop years ago. That doesn't mean the issues of Trump are dead, or even losers politically. Biden's in for a rough shock if the borders are just opened up again. Trump's mistreatment of children in inexcusable, and he NEVER punished the US employers, but his workplace raids and flooding the immigration courts to make them deportation courts does appear to have helped lessen illegal immigration. Trump achieved full employment by upping deficits in an expansion … that is NOT helpful to the middle class, but I don't see anyone winning a nomination without a populist bent. Biden also wanted out of Afghan … but we are mostly out.

Trump is a loser and not because of cheating. HE's an asshole who fucked up on covid. But on the issues, the gop may be changed

 

[bendog]

Republican governors, Republican election officials

Wrong
the fraud took place in democrat controlled counties

Republican governors, Republican election officials.

We exist in separate universes.

He is not in a reality based universe. LOL