The Power of Christ Jesus

[Mudda]

Angola has gone from 40 murders a year to not one since 1996.

Are you an idiot?

Angola has a murder rate of 19 people per every 100,000 citizens. It is a country with close to 26,000,000 million people. Do you honestly believe a country of 26,000,000 people has had a murder rate of zero for a period of 20 years?

Thanks for the daily dose of stupid from you.
Now go read the OP.

You are welcome. Bless your heart, brother.

You using two accounts?

Not to my knowledge, I'm not.

His invisible friend must be using the other a

According to the bible, Jesus died on the cross for our sins, that bill is already paid.

The OP is about a prison that went from 40 murders per year to zero.
Because of one reason - the power of Christ.

Hey, if it got them to stop murdering it's all good. Whatever story they needed to hear to stop is the right one.

So why do you feel the need to convince people Jesus is not the Son of God?

I will tell you.
You know He is and you're desperate for answers.
Just ask for your answers, He will answer them.

I'm simply trying to get either some proof that Jesus is the son of god, or to make you folks realize that you have no real proof, and that when you do get dome real proof, I'm here.

No one in 2,000 years ever claimed they had proof.
Just as in a court of law, there is evidence to draw conclusions.

And your desire to prove to people Jesus is not the Son of God is most telling He is.

People try to claim that the bible is proof all the time. Please try again.

 

[Mudda]

No proof Paul ever wrote anything. Sorry.

That's not true.

So what you got?

24,000 written manuscripts.

No proof Paul wrote them.

Paul did not write them. Witnesses to the account or witnesses who were witnesses to the account. That's how history was recorded in ancient times. Please don't make me make you look like an idiot on this.

So you agree that it's all hearsay. Good for you.

 

[ding]

People try to claim that the bible is proof all the time. Please try again.

Well... the evidence of God is plain to see because He has made it plain to see in what He has created. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

 

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[Weatherman2020]

Are you an idiot?

Angola has a murder rate of 19 people per every 100,000 citizens. It is a country with close to 26,000,000 million people. Do you honestly believe a country of 26,000,000 people has had a murder rate of zero for a period of 20 years?

Thanks for the daily dose of stupid from you.
Now go read the OP.

You are welcome. Bless your heart, brother.

You using two accounts?

Not to my knowledge, I'm not.

His invisible friend must be using the other a

The OP is about a prison that went from 40 murders per year to zero.
Because of one reason - the power of Christ.

Hey, if it got them to stop murdering it's all good. Whatever story they needed to hear to stop is the right one.

So why do you feel the need to convince people Jesus is not the Son of God?

I will tell you.
You know He is and you're desperate for answers.
Just ask for your answers, He will answer them.

I'm simply trying to get either some proof that Jesus is the son of god, or to make you folks realize that you have no real proof, and that when you do get dome real proof, I'm here.

No one in 2,000 years ever claimed they had proof.
Just as in a court of law, there is evidence to draw conclusions.

And your desire to prove to people Jesus is not the Son of God is most telling He is.

People try to claim that the bible is proof all the time. Please try again.

Odds of Jesus being the Messiah are 1 in 10 to the 17th Power. That's 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000.
In science, they call those odds fact.

Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ

 

[Mudda]

People try to claim that the bible is proof all the time. Please try again.

Well... the evidence of God is plain to see because He has made it plain to see in what He has created. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

Too bad you already agreed that the bible isn't true.
Anyways, you can't pick and choose which parts you'll accept as fact an d which you won't, thats ridiculous. Try to be consistent.

 

[ding]

People try to claim that the bible is proof all the time. Please try again.

Well... the evidence of God is plain to see because He has made it plain to see in what He has created. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

Too bad you already agreed that the bible isn't true.
Anyways, you can't pick and choose which parts you'll accept as fact an d which you won't, thats ridiculous. Try to be consistent.

No. That's not what I wrote. I wrote that the Bible consists of several different types of literary styles one of which is allegorical. The allegorical account of Creation is correct. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

 

[Mudda]

People try to claim that the bible is proof all the time. Please try again.

Well... the evidence of God is plain to see because He has made it plain to see in what He has created. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

If genesis isn't true then the bible is all bs. Can't pick and choose.

 

[Mudda]

Thanks for the daily dose of stupid from you.
Now go read the OP.

You are welcome. Bless your heart, brother.

You using two accounts?

Not to my knowledge, I'm not.

His invisible friend must be using the other a

Hey, if it got them to stop murdering it's all good. Whatever story they needed to hear to stop is the right one.

So why do you feel the need to convince people Jesus is not the Son of God?

I will tell you.
You know He is and you're desperate for answers.
Just ask for your answers, He will answer them.

I'm simply trying to get either some proof that Jesus is the son of god, or to make you folks realize that you have no real proof, and that when you do get dome real proof, I'm here.

No one in 2,000 years ever claimed they had proof.
Just as in a court of law, there is evidence to draw conclusions.

And your desire to prove to people Jesus is not the Son of God is most telling He is.

People try to claim that the bible is proof all the time. Please try again.

Odds of Jesus being the Messiah are 1 in 10 to the 17th Power. That's 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000.
In science, they call those odds fact.

Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ

Those are terrible odds, I think you're confused.

 

[ding]

People try to claim that the bible is proof all the time. Please try again.

Well... the evidence of God is plain to see because He has made it plain to see in what He has created. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

If genesis isn't true then the bible is all bs. Can't pick and choose.

It is true. What are you talking about. You do know what allegorical means, right? There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

 

[Mudda]

People try to claim that the bible is proof all the time. Please try again.

Well... the evidence of God is plain to see because He has made it plain to see in what He has created. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

Too bad you already agreed that the bible isn't true.
Anyways, you can't pick and choose which parts you'll accept as fact an d which you won't, thats ridiculous. Try to be consistent.

No. That's not what I wrote. I wrote that the Bible consists of several different types of literary styles one of which is allegorical. The allegorical account of Creation is correct. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

So the bible is like a buffet, stuff you don't like is fake, but the rest is real?

 

[ding]

People try to claim that the bible is proof all the time. Please try again.

Well... the evidence of God is plain to see because He has made it plain to see in what He has created. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

Too bad you already agreed that the bible isn't true.
Anyways, you can't pick and choose which parts you'll accept as fact an d which you won't, thats ridiculous. Try to be consistent.

No. That's not what I wrote. I wrote that the Bible consists of several different types of literary styles one of which is allegorical. The allegorical account of Creation is correct. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

So the bible is like a buffet, stuff you don't like is fake, but the rest is real?

No. I didn't write that either. I thought you would be happy to have proof of God's existence.

 

[Mudda]

People try to claim that the bible is proof all the time. Please try again.

Well... the evidence of God is plain to see because He has made it plain to see in what He has created. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

If genesis isn't true then the bible is all bs. Can't pick and choose.

It is true. What are you talking about. You do know what allegorical means, right? There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

allegorical Means not true

People try to claim that the bible is proof all the time. Please try again.

Well... the evidence of God is plain to see because He has made it plain to see in what He has created. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

Too bad you already agreed that the bible isn't true.
Anyways, you can't pick and choose which parts you'll accept as fact an d which you won't, thats ridiculous. Try to be consistent.

No. That's not what I wrote. I wrote that the Bible consists of several different types of literary styles one of which is allegorical. The allegorical account of Creation is correct. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

So the bible is like a buffet, stuff you don't like is fake, but the rest is real?

No. I didn't write that either. I thought you would be happy to have proof of God's existence.

you have a theory, that's it.

 

[ding]

You using two accounts?

Not to my knowledge, I'm not.

His invisible friend must be using the other a

I'm simply trying to get either some proof that Jesus is the son of god, or to make you folks realize that you have no real proof, and that when you do get dome real proof, I'm here.

No one in 2,000 years ever claimed they had proof.
Just as in a court of law, there is evidence to draw conclusions.

And your desire to prove to people Jesus is not the Son of God is most telling He is.

People try to claim that the bible is proof all the time. Please try again.

Odds of Jesus being the Messiah are 1 in 10 to the 17th Power. That's 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000.
In science, they call those odds fact.

Mathematical Probability that Jesus is the Christ

Those are terrible odds, I think you're confused.

See, you have no interest in the truth. Your games about an auto spell error are childish.

Move along, or I will report you for trying to hijack the thread topic.

Of course he doesn't. Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it.

And you play straight into their hands by attacking fellow Christians.

 

[Coyote]

Thread somewhat cleaned of the most blatent violations....and a few reminders.

First - Religion is in Zone 2, so posts need to contain some material relevant to the topic (which, for the confused, is in Post #1).

Second - this thread has spread far and wide from the topic. So let's get it back on track. The topic, if I understand it correctly, is on the effect of one warden's changes to the system on the murder rate in the infamous Angola prison. Those changes included treating people with respect and dignity, adding voluntary religious programs and services to the prison, and they've apparently made a significant difference in murder rates.

The topic isn't about the existence of God or Jesus or biblical happenings (which is currently derailing the topic) - but about the effect of this on Angola.

Thread is now reopened.

 

[HaShev]

Your boy Paul talked about our adoption into Israel since about 50 AD
My belief in being part of the Jewish family thru Christ has been a Mormon belief since about 1830.

In all seriousness, you are told it's Judaic but it's actually not and you would not know this because you don't "TAKE THE HOLD OF A RABBIS GARB AND ASK US ABOUT OUR PRECEPTS OF GOD. "

Furthermore, If you don't know that Paul is also a compiled figure made from many then you assume Saul is adopting you into Judaism WHEN IN ACTUALITY SAUL BECOMES COMPILED WITH NON JEWISH FIGURES CALLED PAUL in order to CONVERT JEWS INTO BAAL WORSHIP THAT IS HIDDEN BEHIND THE NEW IMAGE JESUS (MORNING STAR SON OF BAAL).

So you're twisted opposite, thinking Paul brings you to Judaism when the opposite(adversary) is true and it's his character is used to trick Jews into thinking conversion to lawless paganism is ok.
Did the forum poster Book of Jeremiah not try this trick using converted Jews stories to try and convert Jews? Yes.
Did she use the stories to bring you to Judaism? No.
I rest my case.

Now to show this is on Topic of Prisoner Programs:
1)I'm probably the only one here posting who actually has created an actual prison program.
2) Paul was a forbidden teacher being he was a political prisoner, and I've said this many times:
The Dead Sea Scrolls
(4Q266 -7 fr 5) warned us of a rule they had back then about not listening to leaders/teachers who had been politically imprisoned as we see why through history, if only we had obeyed the simple rule.
List of Political prisoners who came out with a lust for blood and hate for humanity as they turned into psychopathic murderers who caused attrocities and were the cause of wars and more murders:
Paul of Tarsus(who was not Saul/thus not Jewish),
Julius Caesar, Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam, Arafat, Zarquawi, Turkey's tyrant Erodagan and I think that Islamic radical guy in Africa Mokhtar Belmokhtar who started many wars and attrocities there (the guy with one eye) might have been a political prisoner, he seems hell bent on that subject himself regarding radicals imprisoned and breaking them out of prisons or he broke out of prison.
All political prisoners before they massacred.

Idi Amin might be another qualifying for that list: he had similarities to Saddam: Deserted by his father at an early age, he was brought up by his mother like Saddam and came from a small Islamic tribe.
President Obote put Amin under house arrest so technically he was also a political prisoner before he declared himself president and did a number on the people mainly ' hunting down Obote's supporters' much like Saddam hunted down kurds and Shiites, & his opposition supporters.

 

[ding]

Your boy Paul talked about our adoption into Israel since about 50 AD
My belief in being part of the Jewish family thru Christ has been a Mormon belief since about 1830.

In all seriousness, you are told it's Judaic but it's actually not and you would not know this because you don't "TAKE THE HOLD OF A RABBIS GARB AND ASK US ABOUT OUR PRECEPTS OF GOD. "

Furthermore, If you don't know that Paul is also a compiled figure made from many then you assume Saul is adopting you into Judaism WHEN IN ACTUALITY SAUL BECOMES COMPILED WITH NON JEWISH FIGURES CALLED PAUL in order to CONVERT JEWS INTO BAAL WORSHIP THAT IS HIDDEN BEHIND THE NEW IMAGE JESUS (MORNING STAR SON OF BAAL).

So you're twisted opposite, thinking Paul brings you to Judaism when the opposite(adversary) is true and it's his character is used to trick Jews into thinking conversion to lawless paganism is ok.
Did the forum poster Book of Jeremiah not try this trick using converted Jews stories to try and convert Jews? Yes.
Did she use the stories to bring you to Judaism? No.
I rest my case.

Now to show this is on Topic of Prisoner Programs:
1)I'm probably the only one here posting who actually has created an actual prison program.
2) Paul was a forbidden teacher being he was a political prisoner, and I've said this many times:
The Dead Sea Scrolls
(4Q266 -7 fr 5) warned us of a rule they had back then about not listening to leaders/teachers who had been politically imprisoned as we see why through history, if only we had obeyed the simple rule.
List of Political prisoners who came out with a lust for blood and hate for humanity as they turned into psychopathic murderers who caused attrocities and were the cause of wars and more murders:
Paul of Tarsus(who was not Saul/thus not Jewish),
Julius Caesar, Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam, Arafat, Zarquawi, Turkey's tyrant Erodagan and I think that Islamic radical guy in Africa Mokhtar Belmokhtar who started many wars and attrocities there (the guy with one eye) might have been a political prisoner, he seems hell bent on that subject himself regarding radicals imprisoned and breaking them out of prisons or he broke out of prison.
All political prisoners before they massacred.

Idi Amin might be another qualifying for that list: he had similarities to Saddam: Deserted by his father at an early age, he was brought up by his mother like Saddam and came from a small Islamic tribe.
President Obote put Amin under house arrest so technically he was also a political prisoner before he declared himself president and did a number on the people mainly ' hunting down Obote's supporters' much like Saddam hunted down kurds and Shiites, & his opposition supporters.

Two questions for you: 1. How long have your people been waiting for the Messiah? 2. When was your Holy Book closed?

 

[Mudda]

People try to claim that the bible is proof all the time. Please try again.

Well... the evidence of God is plain to see because He has made it plain to see in what He has created. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

Too bad you already agreed that the bible isn't true.
Anyways, you can't pick and choose which parts you'll accept as fact an d which you won't, thats ridiculous. Try to be consistent.

No. That's not what I wrote. I wrote that the Bible consists of several different types of literary styles one of which is allegorical. The allegorical account of Creation is correct. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

So the bible is like a buffet, stuff you don't like is fake, but the rest is real?

No. I didn't write that either. I thought you would be happy to have proof of God's existence.

The bible is only proof of man's gullibility.

 

[ding]

Well... the evidence of God is plain to see because He has made it plain to see in what He has created. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

Too bad you already agreed that the bible isn't true.
Anyways, you can't pick and choose which parts you'll accept as fact an d which you won't, thats ridiculous. Try to be consistent.

No. That's not what I wrote. I wrote that the Bible consists of several different types of literary styles one of which is allegorical. The allegorical account of Creation is correct. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

So the bible is like a buffet, stuff you don't like is fake, but the rest is real?

No. I didn't write that either. I thought you would be happy to have proof of God's existence.

The bible is only proof of man's gullibility.

That's funny but that is YOUR subjective truth. Not mine. My objective truth is that the Bible is a how to book; how to live and how not to live. The OT tells the account of a people who have cycled between remembering God and forgetting God and the consequences of those choices. The NT is an account of how to transform and fulfills the promises made in the OT to all of mankind. Judea/Christianity is the worlds only revealed religion, where God seeks man. All of the other religions are men seeking God. I'm happy for you to live your life however you see fit. Even if it means that you spend an inordinate amount of time arguing against the beliefs of others. At the end of the day, you are proof that you believe that God exists. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having these conversations.

 

[Mudda]

Too bad you already agreed that the bible isn't true.
Anyways, you can't pick and choose which parts you'll accept as fact an d which you won't, thats ridiculous. Try to be consistent.

No. That's not what I wrote. I wrote that the Bible consists of several different types of literary styles one of which is allegorical. The allegorical account of Creation is correct. There is nothing inconsistent in the Bible about Creation. The account of Genesis is allegorical. God did not magically create the universe in one step. He set the rules of nature and let nature take its course. You cannot dispute that the laws of nature are such that at the moment space and time came into existence, beings that know and create were pre-destined to eventually arise. Here is the proof you have been looking for. Maybe one day, you will realize that the exact moment you lost this argument was when you admitted that tangible items could be used as evidence. The reality is that the Bible correctly explains that the universe had a beginning and was created in steps. Science tells us that the universe did have a beginning and what we see today is a result of the evolution of matter and was a process that was done in steps. Subatomic particles evolved into hydrogen and helium. Hydrogen and helium formed cosmic structures. Supernovas created the other elements. Chemical evolution created all the compounds. Life mad the leap from inorganic matter to organic matter. Life made the leap from single cells to multi cells and to eventually beings that know and create. The laws of nature came into existence at the time space and time were created. Those laws predestined that beings that know and create would eventually arise. Check mate.

So the bible is like a buffet, stuff you don't like is fake, but the rest is real?

No. I didn't write that either. I thought you would be happy to have proof of God's existence.

The bible is only proof of man's gullibility.

That's funny but that is YOUR subjective truth. Not mine. My objective truth is that the Bible is a how to book; how to live and how not to live. The OT tells the account of a people who have cycled between remembering God and forgetting God and the consequences of those choices. The NT is an account of how to transform and fulfills the promises made in the OT to all of mankind. Judea/Christianity is the worlds only revealed religion, where God seeks man. All of the other religions are men seeking God. I'm happy for you to live your life however you see fit. Even if it means that you spend an inordinate amount of time arguing against the beliefs of others. At the end of the day, you are proof that you believe that God exists. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having these conversations.

I started coming here to see if any of you people had a rational reason to believe in god. In my own search for answers. What I have found here is irrational arguments argued by people who get upset when you point out the irrationality of their arguments. Possibly because they see my point, no doubt.
Does god exists? By what I read on this board, i.e. the lack of solid proof, I'd have to say no, it hasn't been proven yet. Nor are most arguments for god even solid.