The Reason for Poverty Among Blacks is Not Racism

[JoeMoma]

Yes they did. Lowlifes were more scared of the mob than law abiding citizens. They didn't mess around with those guys. You cross one of them, you're liable to disappear off the planet and nobody ever see you again and they knew it.

Here we had an all Italian section of town referred to as Murry Hill. It was kind of a main street that went through that part of the city. And of course, a lot of people from the mob lived there. Safest place anybody could be. You could walk down the streets day or night. You can't do that today. If you get robbed, assaulted or killed, all anybody can do is call the cops just like anyplace else.

Perhaps the safest place for those that don't cross the mob. Not safe for those that "disappear off the planet".

 

[AZrailwhale]

There are more white gangs and the Mafia works with all those gangs.

The Mafia is mostly gone and dead. It’s members have gone legit.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Why do you think that is? That white racists wouldn't consider other white people as being white?

Because the WASPs didn’t recognize “dirty immigrants” as white.

 

[Lisa558]

Because the WASPs didn’t recognize “dirty immigrants” as white.

Even so, they buckled down and got to work. They’re not still complaining about what happened generations ago.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The Mafia is mostly gone and dead. It’s members have gone legit.

I don't' know about dead and gone. Perhaps not nearly as large as they used to be. They just keep a real low profile right now. At least around here you can still find people who run numbers, take sports bets and that kind of thing.

My cousin opened up his own office cleaning business several years ago in a small town. They told him he had to close down because he was crossing into the wrong territory. Same thing if you buy some pinball or other gaming machines and put them into bars and such. You might be getting a visit from one of those guys.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I don't' know about dead and gone. Perhaps not nearly as large as they used to be. They just keep a real low profile right now. At least around here you can still find people who run numbers, take sports bets and that kind of thing.

My cousin opened up his own office cleaning business several years ago in a small town. They told him he had to close down because he was crossing into the wrong territory. Same thing if you buy some pinball or other gaming machines and put them into bars and such. You might be getting a visit from one of those guys.

Are they Mafia, or just criminals? The FBI did a pretty good job of gutting the Mafia with the aid of RICO laws.

 

[IM2]

The Mafia is mostly gone and dead. It’s members have gone legit.

Of course they have.

 

[IM2]

Even so, they buckled down and got to work. They’re not still complaining about what happened generations ago.

Since you're evidence of racism now... It means we just aren't talking about the past. On top of that whites didn't really face exclusion.

 

[IM2]

This is the kind of stuff that makes you look silly.

The stuff you list happen because of poor diet and lack of exercise, not because "Oh, my Gosh, I'm stressing out because white people are mean to me!"

Joe, I told you not to try telling me about something your white ass doesn't experience. I know what the body goes through when a person experiences racism. Because I have felt it. You have not. Living with racism is stressful and it a lot fucking more than "white people are mean to me". Whites like you come forth with this simple minded bullshit because you don't live with it and you think its only a few nasty words.

So exercise more, stop eating greasy food,

The reality is, Heart Disease and Cancer are the things that kill you because your body wears out. Humans really weren't designed to live 60 years... Most points in history, living to be 60 was an exception, not the rule. (Neither of my parents lived to see sixty... two more days and I will!)

No Joe that's not the complete cure. If you actually experienced the chemical reactions that take place when you face racism, you would not make such simplistic comments.

Allostasis is the process that helps us adapt to stress. Allostatic load is compiled damage to the body due to constant pressure. Such stress leads to allostatic overload, which is the point when the overall amount of stress causes health problems or death. For example, allostatic processes lead to increases in blood pressure, a leading cause of death in the black community. Allostatic overload created by stress caused due to constant exposure to racism increases the occurrences of myocardial infarction(heart attacks) in blacks.

I'm going to give you some things to read and you would be wise to read them and learn from what you are about to read.

Ryan C.T. DeLapp, MA, and Monnica T. Williams, Ph.D., “Proactively Coping With Racism, Getting back to our lives in the aftermath of racial violence in the media.”, July 18, 2016, www.psychologytoday,com

Natasha Tracy, Types of Abuse: What are the Different Forms of Abuse?Types of Abuse: What are the Different Forms of Abuse? | HealthyPlace

Ryan C.T. DeLapp, MA, and Monnica T. Williams, Ph.D., “Proactively Coping With Racism, Getting back to our lives in the aftermath of racial violence in the media.”, July 18, 2016, www.psychologytoday,com

Is Racism a Public Health Issue? Center for the Study of Racism, Social Justice & Health, October 9, 2017, Is Racism a Public Health Issue? — Center for the Study of Racism, Social Justice & Health

Camara Jules P. Harrell, Tanisha I. Burford, Brandi N. Cage, Travette McNair Nelson, Sheronda Shearon, Adrian Thompson, and Steven Green, Multiple Pathways Linking Racism to Health Outcomes, US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health

Trauma, Racism, Chronic Stress and the Health of Black Americans, Compilation by the SAMHSA Office of Behavioral Health Equity, June 3, 2020, https://www.mhanational.org/sites/default/files/AfricanAmericansRaceViolenceandHealth SAMHSA OBHE 6.3.20.pdf

Geronimus, A. T., Hicken, M., Keene, D., & Bound, J. (2006). "Weathering" and age patterns of allostatic load scores among blacks and whites in the United States. American journal of public health, 96(5), 826–833. The American Journal of Public Health (AJPH) from the American Public Health Association (APHA) publications

B.S. McEwen, J.C. Wingfield, Allostasis and Allostatic Load, Encyclopedia of Stress (Second Edition), 2007, Allostasis and Allostatic Load

B.S. McEwen, Stress: Homeostasis, Rheostasis, Allostasis and Allostatic Load, Encyclopedia of Neuroscience, 2009, Stress: Homeostasis, Rheostasis, Reactive Scope, Allostasis and Allostatic Load

Lukachko, Alicia & Hatzenbuehler, Mark & Keyes, Katherine. (2014). Structural racism and myocardial infarction in the United States. Social science & medicine (1982). 103. 42-50. 10.1016/ Structural racism and myocardial infarction in the United States

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Are they Mafia, or just criminals? The FBI did a pretty good job of gutting the Mafia with the aid of RICO laws.

Oh no, it was the mafia. That one place I worked at many years ago was mob ran, and my cousin worked for the same place. It was a vending company. He would buy older pinball machines from the company and put them into bars, but he had to get permission on the bars he was allowed to use them in. He's dealt with these people before. Besides, what other criminals would be involved in something like office cleaning?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

THAT is your response to my sharing with you the horrific antisemitism - and loss of loved ones due to outright murder for their religion - that my family ONE generation up from me suffered, and that despite that every one in the next generation went on to college and successful lives?!

Stop going back in history to excuse why the black poverty rate is double the whites. They need to concentrate on what they can do NOW to reduce it, and substantially, by simply not having the majority of babies OOW and finishing school.

My response is that you and your people have not been in this country long enough to have suffered MORE than black "Americans". And I put "Americans" in quotes because SCOTUS Justice Taney, in the landmark ruling Dred Scoft v Sanford stated the following

On March 6, 1857, Chief Justice Roger Taney issued what is widely regarded as the worst Supreme Court opinion ever. He noted that the question before the Court was whether African Americans are citizens of the United States and thus able to file suit in federal court. His analysis of that issue is couched in abjectly racist language:​

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[African Americans] had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations; and so far inferior, that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit. He was bought and sold, and treated as an ordinary article of merchandise and traffic, whenever a profit could be made by it.​

If you feel that my responses are lacking in compassion for what your people have suffered "so long ago", it's because you've failed to show an ounce of compassion for what black people have suffered in this country - in the past as well as currently.

Why do you think that the killing of the Jewish people is worse than any of the killings of black people? Why are you unable to look at our history with any understanding or compassion? How is it that I can care for and have compassion for your people, enough to put my life on the line for some of you, but all you can do is find fault?

If you were right about the things you're saying, I'd tell you so even if I got tired of hearing you talk about it. But you're not right. There are plenty of single mothers or young mothers still making their way through school with young children who manage to rise out of poverty. Yes, some of them chose to do it the harder way but that's their right. My sister's younger son and his girlfriend are both graduating this month. They have a 3 year old that they're raising and his mom is graduating with her Master's degree in spite of her pregnancy disrupting her schooling momentarily. My sister's daughter is graduating this month as well with her bachelor's at age 22 in spite of the COVID interruptions and already has a job in her field. Both of my sister's sons will be graduating with at least a bachelor possibly a master's degree.

I think it's great that you all accomplished what you did, because I believe education can open doors and change lives however I don't kick the homeless people as I pass them by or shout at them that all they need to do to get off the streets and out of poverty & homelessness is to stay in school and not have babies. Most of them are white men, by the way.

Your people are NOT the only ones who have suffered or been murdered due to race or because who they are. Your head must be up in the clouds if you cannot see that.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I posted the Florida law (which mirrors ours here in Ohio) with a link. Again, the law states deadly force is legally allowed to be used if you believe that you (or others) are in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death. Zimmerman suffered serious bodily harm which warranted him to use deadly force against an unarmed attacker to stop the assault. It wasn't a fist fight outside of a bar, it was a felonious assault attack.

No, a CCW is not an administrative process, it's training of handling a gun in public, training on what the laws of your state and others (those with reciprocity with your state) are, range training and testing to make sure you know how to use that weapon. You don't need 10 hours of class time to teach the application process and maintenance of a license. The class is heavily focused on the laws, safety such as downrange (if you want to know what that means, ask) statistics on missed shots from X feet away, how you can be blinded by using your firearm at night from the gun powder flash, real stories and situations of other CCW holders using deadly force in the past and court rulings.

Every time you comment on CCW licenses, it makes it more and more evident you have no CCW license at all and never have. You just keep

The link you posted doesn't say anything about carrying a concealed weapon. It was about self-defense laws and you seem unable to differentiate between the two.

The following is Florida's Concealed Carry Law, statue 790.06 and it says nothing about what constitutes self-defense. I would guess that the certification each person submits serves as their proof that they have been properly trained and know and understand the applicable self-defense laws. Some of them obviously don't know or understand them but I suspect just as many do and simply ignore them.

I was going to format the text for ease of reading but figured you wouldn't read it anyway but it's here for anyone else who cares to peruse it.

790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm.—
(1) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services is authorized to issue licenses to carry concealed weapons or concealed firearms to persons qualified as provided in this section. Each such license must bear a color photograph of the licensee. For the purposes of this section, concealed weapons or concealed firearms are defined as a handgun, electronic weapon or device, tear gas gun, knife, or billie, but the term does not include a machine gun as defined in s. 790.001(9). Such licenses shall be valid throughout the state for a period of 7 years from the date of issuance. Any person in compliance with the terms of such license may carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm notwithstanding the provisions of s. 790.01. The licensee must carry the license, together with valid identification, at all times in which the licensee is in actual possession of a concealed weapon or firearm and must display both the license and proper identification upon demand by a law enforcement officer. Violations of the provisions of this subsection shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of $25, payable to the clerk of the court.

(2) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall issue a license if the applicant:
(a) Is a resident of the United States and a citizen of the United States or a permanent resident alien of the United
States, as determined by the United States Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services, or is a consular security
official of a foreign government that maintains diplomatic relations and treaties of commerce, friendship, and
navigation with the United States and is certified as such by the foreign government and by the appropriate
embassy in this country;
(b) Is 21 years of age or older;
(c) Does not suffer from a physical infirmity which prevents the safe handling of a weapon or firearm;
(d) Is not ineligible to possess a firearm pursuant to s. 790.23 by virtue of having been convicted of a felony;
(e) Has not been:
1. Found guilty of a crime under the provisions of chapter 893 or similar laws of any other state relating to
controlled substances within a 3-year period immediately preceding the date on which the application is
submitted; or
2. Committed for the abuse of a controlled substance under chapter 397 or under the provisions of former
chapter 396 or similar laws of any other state. An applicant who has been granted relief from firearms
disabilities pursuant to s. 790.065(2)(a)4.d. or pursuant to the law of the state in which the commitment
occurred is deemed not to be committed for the abuse of a controlled substance under this subparagraph;
(f) Does not chronically and habitually use alcoholic beverages or other substances to the extent that his or her
normal faculties are impaired. It shall be presumed that an applicant chronically and habitually uses alcoholic
beverages or other substances to the extent that his or her normal faculties are impaired if the applicant has been
convicted under s. 790.151 or has been deemed a habitual offender under s. 856.011(3), or has had two or more convictions under s. 316.193 or similar laws of any other state, within the 3-year period immediately preceding the date on which the application is submitted;
(g) Desires a legal means to carry a concealed weapon or firearm for lawful self-defense;
(h) Demonstrates competence with a firearm by any one of the following:
1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency of another state;
2. Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;
3. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, using instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services;
4. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of a law enforcement agency or security enforcement;
5. Presents evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or military service;
6. Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state or a county or municipality of this state, unless such license has been revoked for cause; or
7. Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor;
A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught such course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document that shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this paragraph. A person who conducts a course pursuant to subparagraph 2., subparagraph 3., or subparagraph 7., or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm in his or her physical presence and that the discharge of the firearm included live fire using a firearm and ammunition as defined in s. 790.001;
(i) Has not been adjudicated an incapacitated person under s. 744.331, or similar laws of any other state. An applicant who has been granted relief from firearms disabilities pursuant to s. 790.065(2)(a)4.d. or pursuant to the law of the state in which the adjudication occurred is deemed not to have been adjudicated an incapacitated person under this paragraph;
(j) Has not been committed to a mental institution under chapter 394, or similar laws of any other state. An applicant who has been granted relief from firearms disabilities pursuant to s. 790.065(2)(a)4.d. or pursuant to the law of the state in which the commitment occurred is deemed not to have been committed in a mental institution under this paragraph;
(k) Has not had adjudication of guilt withheld or imposition of sentence suspended on any felony unless 3 years have elapsed since probation or any other conditions set by the court have been fulfilled, or expunction has occurred;
(l) Has not had adjudication of guilt withheld or imposition of sentence suspended on any misdemeanor crime of domestic violence unless 3 years have elapsed since probation or any other conditions set by the court have been fulfilled, or the record has been expunged;
(m) Has not been issued an injunction that is currently in force and effect and that restrains the applicant from committing acts of domestic violence or acts of repeat violence; and
(n) Is not prohibited from purchasing or possessing a firearm by any other provision of Florida or federal law.
(3) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall deny a license if the applicant has been found guilty of, had adjudication of guilt withheld for, or had imposition of sentence suspended for one or more crimes of violence constituting a misdemeanor, unless 3 years have elapsed since probation or any other conditions set by the court have been fulfilled or the record has been sealed or expunged. The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall revoke a license if the licensee has been found guilty of, had adjudication of guilt withheld for, or had imposition of sentence suspended for one or more crimes of violence within the preceding 3 years. The department shall, upon notification by a law enforcement agency, a court, or the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and subsequent written verification, suspend a license or the processing of an application for a license if the licensee or applicant is arrested or formally charged with a crime that would disqualify such person from having a license under this section, until final disposition of the case. The department shall suspend a license or the processing of an application for a license if the licensee or applicant is issued an injunction that restrains the licensee or applicant from committing acts of domestic violence or acts of repeat violence.
(4) The application shall be completed, under oath, on a form adopted by the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services and shall include:
(a) The name, address, place of birth, date of birth, and race of the applicant;
(b) A statement that the applicant is in compliance with criteria contained within subsections (2) and (3);
(c) A statement that the applicant has been furnished a copy of or a website link to this chapter and is knowledgeable of its provisions;
(d) A conspicuous warning that the application is executed under oath and that a false answer to any question, or the submission of any false document by the applicant, subjects the applicant to criminal prosecution under s. 837.06;
(e) A statement that the applicant desires a concealed weapon or firearms license as a means of lawful self-defense; and
(f) Directions for an applicant who is a servicemember, as defined in s. 250.01, or a veteran, as defined in s. 1.01, to request expedited processing of his or her application.
(5) The applicant shall submit to the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services or an approved tax collector pursuant to s. 790.0625:
(a) A completed application as described in subsection (4).
(b) A nonrefundable license fee of up to $55 if he or she has not previously been issued a statewide license or of up to $45 for renewal of a statewide license. The cost of processing fingerprints as required in paragraph (c) shall be borne by the applicant. However, an individual holding an active certification from the Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission as a law enforcement officer, correctional officer, or correctional probation officer as defined in s. 943.10(1), (2), (3), (6), (7), (8), or (9) is exempt from the licensing requirements of this section. If such individual wishes to receive a concealed weapon or firearm license, he or she is exempt from the background investigation and all background investigation fees but must pay the current license fees regularly required to be paid by nonexempt applicants. Further, a law enforcement officer, a correctional officer, or a correctional probation officer as defined in s. 943.10(1), (2), or (3) is exempt from the required fees and background investigation for 1 year after his or her retirement.
(c) A full set of fingerprints of the applicant administered by a law enforcement agency or the Division of Licensing of the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services or an approved tax collector pursuant to s. 790.0625 together with any personal identifying information required by federal law to process fingerprints. Charges for fingerprint services under this paragraph are not subject to the sales tax on fingerprint services imposed in s. 212.05(1)(i).
(d) A photocopy of a certificate, affidavit, or document as described in paragraph (2)(h).
(e) A full frontal view color photograph of the applicant taken within the preceding 30 days, in which the head, including hair, measures 7/8 of an inch wide and 11/8 inches high.
(f) For expedited processing of an application:
1. A servicemember shall submit a copy of the Common Access Card, United States Uniformed Services Identification Card, or current deployment orders.
2. A veteran shall submit a copy of the DD Form 214, issued by the United States Department of Defense, or another acceptable form of identification as specified by the Department of Veterans’ Affairs.
(6)(a) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, upon receipt of the items listed in subsection (5), shall forward the full set of fingerprints of the applicant to the Department of Law Enforcement for state and federal processing, provided the federal service is available, to be processed for any criminal justice information as defined in s. 943.045. The cost of processing such fingerprints shall be payable to the Department of Law Enforcement by the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services.
(b) The sheriff’s office shall provide fingerprinting service if requested by the applicant and may charge a fee not to exceed $5 for this service.
(c) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall, within 90 days after the date of receipt of the items listed in subsection (5):
1. Issue the license; or
2. Deny the application based solely on the ground that the applicant fails to qualify under the criteria listed in subsection (2) or subsection (3). If the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services denies the application, it shall notify the applicant in writing, stating the ground for denial and informing the applicant of any right to a hearing pursuant to chapter 120.
3. In the event the department receives criminal history information with no final disposition on a crime which may disqualify the applicant, the time limitation prescribed by this paragraph may be suspended until receipt of the final disposition or proof of restoration of civil and firearm rights.
(d) In the event a legible set of fingerprints, as determined by the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services or the Federal Bureau of Investigation, cannot be obtained after two attempts, the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall determine eligibility based upon the name checks conducted by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
(e) A consular security official of a foreign government that maintains diplomatic relations and treaties of commerce, friendship, and navigation with the United States and is certified as such by the foreign government and by the appropriate embassy in this country must be issued a license within 20 days after the date of the receipt of a completed application, certification document, color photograph as specified in paragraph (5)(e), and a nonrefundable license fee of $300. Consular security official licenses shall be valid for 1 year and may be renewed upon completion of the application process as provided in this section.
(f) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall, upon receipt of a completed application and the identifying information required under paragraph (5)(f), expedite the processing of a servicemember’s or a veteran’s concealed weapon or firearm license application.
(7) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall maintain an automated listing of licenseholders and pertinent information, and such information shall be available online, upon request, at all times to all law enforcement agencies through the Florida Crime Information Center.
(8) Within 30 days after the changing of a permanent address, or within 30 days after having a license lost or destroyed, the licensee shall notify the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services of such change. Failure to notify the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services pursuant to the provisions of this subsection shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of $25.
(9) In the event that a concealed weapon or firearm license is lost or destroyed, the license shall be automatically invalid, and the person to whom the same was issued may, upon payment of $15 to the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, obtain a duplicate, or substitute thereof, upon furnishing a notarized statement to the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services that such license has been lost or destroyed.
(10) A license issued under this section shall be suspended or revoked pursuant to chapter 120 if the licensee:
(a) Is found to be ineligible under the criteria set forth in subsection (2);
(b) Develops or sustains a physical infirmity which prevents the safe handling of a weapon or firearm;
(c) Is convicted of a felony which would make the licensee ineligible to possess a firearm pursuant to s. 790.23;
(d) Is found guilty of a crime under the provisions of chapter 893, or similar laws of any other state, relating to controlled substances;
(e) Is committed as a substance abuser under chapter 397, or is deemed a habitual offender under s. 856.011(3), or similar laws of any other state;
(f) Is convicted of a second violation of s. 316.193, or a similar law of another state, within 3 years after a first conviction of such section or similar law of another state, even though the first violation may have occurred before the date on which the application was submitted;
(g) Is adjudicated an incapacitated person under s. 744.331, or similar laws of any other state; or
(h) Is committed to a mental institution under chapter 394, or similar laws of any other state.
Notwithstanding s. 120.60(5), service of a notice of the suspension or revocation of a concealed weapon or firearm license must be given by either certified mail, return receipt requested, to the licensee at his or her last known mailing address furnished to the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, or by personal service. If a notice given by certified mail is returned as undeliverable, a second attempt must be made to provide notice to the licensee at that address, by either first-class mail in an envelope, postage prepaid, addressed to the licensee at his or her last known mailing address furnished to the department, or, if the licensee has provided an e-mail address to the department, by e-mail. Such mailing by the department constitutes notice, and any failure by the licensee to receive such notice does not stay the effective date or term of the suspension or revocation. A request for hearing must be filed with the department within 21 days after notice is received by personal delivery, or within 26 days after the date the department deposits the notice in the United States mail (21 days plus 5 days for mailing). The department shall document its attempts to provide notice, and such documentation is admissible in the courts of this state and constitutes sufficient proof that notice was given.
(11)(a) At least 90 days before the expiration date of the license, the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall mail to each licensee a written notice of the expiration and a renewal form prescribed by the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. The licensee must renew his or her license on or before the expiration date by filing with the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services the renewal form containing an affidavit submitted under oath and under penalty of perjury stating that the licensee remains qualified pursuant to the criteria specified in subsections (2) and (3), a color photograph as specified in paragraph (5)(e), and the required renewal fee. Out-of-state residents must also submit a complete set of fingerprints and fingerprint processing fee. The license shall be renewed upon receipt of the completed renewal form, color photograph, appropriate payment of fees, and, if applicable, fingerprints. Additionally, a licensee who fails to file a renewal application on or before its expiration date must renew his or her license by paying a late fee of $15. A license may not be renewed 180 days or more after its expiration date, and such a license is deemed to be permanently expired. A person whose license has been permanently expired may reapply for licensure; however, an application for licensure and fees under subsection (5) must be submitted, and a background investigation shall be conducted pursuant to this section. A person who knowingly files false information under this subsection is subject to criminal prosecution under s. 837.06.
(b) A license issued to a servicemember, as defined in s. 250.01, is subject to paragraph (a); however, such a license does not expire while the servicemember is serving on military orders that have taken him or her over 35 miles from his or her residence and shall be extended, as provided in this paragraph, for up to 180 days after his or her return to such residence. If the license renewal requirements in paragraph (a) are met within the 180-day extension period, the servicemember may not be charged any additional costs, such as, but not limited to, late fees or delinquency fees, above the normal license fees. The servicemember must present to the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services a copy of his or her official military orders or a written verification from the member’s commanding officer before the end of the 180-day period in order to qualify for the extension.
(12)(a) A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:
1. Any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05;
2. Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;
3. Any detention facility, prison, or jail;
4. Any courthouse;
5. Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom;
6. Any polling place;
7. Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district;
8. Any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;
9. Any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms;
10. Any elementary or secondary school facility or administration building;
11. Any career center;
12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
13. Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
14. The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or
15. Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
(b) A person licensed under this section shall not be prohibited from carrying or storing a firearm in a vehicle for lawful purposes.
(c) This section does not modify the terms or conditions of s. 790.251(7).
(d) Any person who knowingly and willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(13) Notwithstanding any other law, for the purposes of safety, security, personal protection, or any other lawful purpose, a person licensed under this section may carry a concealed weapon or firearm on property owned, rented, leased, borrowed, or lawfully used by a church, synagogue, or other religious institution. This subsection does not limit the private property rights of a church, synagogue, or other religious institution to exercise control over property that the church, synagogue, or other religious institution owns, rents, leases, borrows, or lawfully uses.
(14) All moneys collected by the department pursuant to this section shall be deposited in the Division of Licensing Trust Fund, and the Legislature shall appropriate from the fund those amounts deemed necessary to administer the provisions of this section. All revenues collected, less those costs determined by the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services to be nonrecurring or one-time costs, shall be deferred over the 7-year licensure period. Notwithstanding the provisions of s. 493.6117, all moneys collected pursuant to this section shall not revert to the General Revenue Fund; however, this shall not abrogate the requirement for payment of the service charge imposed pursuant to chapter 215.
(15) All funds received by the sheriff pursuant to the provisions of this section shall be deposited into the general revenue fund of the county and shall be budgeted to the sheriff.
(16) The Legislature finds as a matter of public policy and fact that it is necessary to provide statewide uniform standards for issuing licenses to carry concealed weapons and firearms for self-defense and finds it necessary to occupy the field of regulation of the bearing of concealed weapons or firearms for self-defense to ensure that no honest, law-abiding person who qualifies under the provisions of this section is subjectively or arbitrarily denied his or her rights. The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall implement and administer the provisions of this section. The Legislature does not delegate to the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services the authority to regulate or restrict the issuing of licenses provided for in this section, beyond those provisions contained in this section. Subjective or arbitrary actions or rules which encumber the issuing process by placing burdens on the applicant beyond those sworn statements and specified documents detailed in this section or which create restrictions beyond those specified in this section are in conflict with the intent of this section and are prohibited. This section shall be liberally construed to carry out the constitutional right to bear arms for self-defense. This section is supplemental and additional to existing rights to bear arms, and nothing in this section shall impair or diminish such rights.
(17) The Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services shall maintain statistical information on the number of licenses issued, revoked, suspended, and denied.
(18) As amended by chapter 87-24, Laws of Florida, this section shall be known and may be cited as the “Jack Hagler Self Defense Act.”
History.—s. 2, ch. 4147, 1893; s. 1, ch. 5139, 1903; GS 3268; RGS 5101; CGL 7203; s. 2, ch. 76-165; s. 67, ch. 77-121; s. 1, ch. 77-302; s. 176, ch. 79-164; ss. 1, 2, ch. 87-24; s. 4, ch. 88-183; s. 2, ch. 89-60; s. 110, ch. 89-96; s. 3, ch. 90-311; s. 2, ch. 90-316; ss. 1, 7, ch. 90-364; s. 1, ch. 92-52; s. 1, ch. 92-183; s. 38, ch. 93-39; s. 52, ch. 95-196; s. 1, ch. 95-229; s. 10, ch. 95-430; s. 17, ch. 97-94; s. 1206, ch. 97-102; s. 5, ch. 98-284; s. 3, ch. 98-335; s. 228, ch. 99-245; s. 61, ch. 2000-258; s. 10, ch. 2002-295; s. 108, ch. 2003-1; s. 60, ch. 2004-357; s. 1, ch. 2006-90; s. 1, ch. 2008-105; s. 2, ch. 2011-145; s. 1, ch. 2012-144; s. 61, ch. 2013-116; s. 1, ch. 2014-205; ss. 39, 40, ch. 2016-166; s. 50, ch. 2017-36; s. 39, ch. 2017-85; s. 1, ch. 2021-200.
790.0601 Public records exemption for concealed weapons.—
(1) Personal identifying information of an individual who has applied for or received a license to carry a concealed weapon or firearm pursuant to s. 790.06 held by the Division of Licensing of the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services is confidential and exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution. This exemption applies to such information held by the division before, on, or after the effective date of this section.
(2) Personal identifying information of an individual who has applied for a license to carry a concealed weapon or firearm pursuant to s. 790.0625 which is held by a tax collector appointed by the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services to receive applications and fees is confidential and exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution. This exemption applies to such information held by the tax collector before, on, or after the effective date of this subsection.
(3) Information made confidential and exempt by this section shall be disclosed:
(a) With the express written consent of the applicant or licensee or his or her legally authorized representative.
(b) By court order upon a showing of good cause.
(c) Upon request by a law enforcement agency in connection with the performance of lawful duties, which shall include access to any automated database containing such information maintained by the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services.
History.—s. 1, ch. 2006-102; s. 1, ch. 2011-136; s. 1, ch. 2014-206; s. 1, ch. 2019-34.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe, I told you not to try telling me about something your white ass doesn't experience. I know what the body goes through when a person experiences racism. Because I have felt it. You have not. Living with racism is stressful and it a lot fucking more than "white people are mean to me". Whites like you come forth with this simple minded bullshit because you don't live with it and you think its only a few nasty words.

Yes, because clearly I've had no stress in my life...
Other than having both of my parents die when I was 19
And being in the military. That's not a stressful job at all.
Or nearly being economically wiped out in 2008 after dealing with a combination of medical bills and job changes.
Or dealing with a shitload of asshole bosses.
Or working 80 hours a week building my business like I do now.

But if I have a heart attack, I'm not going to blame ANYONE but myself, for my poor diet and lack of exercise.

No Joe that's not the complete cure. If you actually experienced the chemical reactions that take place when you face racism, you would not make such simplistic comments.

Allostasis is the process that helps us adapt to stress. Allostatic load is compiled damage to the body due to constant pressure. Such stress leads to allostatic overload, which is the point when the overall amount of stress causes health problems or death. For example, allostatic processes lead to increases in blood pressure, a leading cause of death in the black community. Allostatic overload created by stress caused due to constant exposure to racism increases the occurrences of myocardial infarction(heart attacks) in blacks.

I'm going to give you some things to read and you would be wise to read them and learn from what you are about to read.

Again, if you are going to get into this level of silly, I'm not sure there is much I can do for you.


You tell me we need to reform the police, I'm totally with you.
You tell me we still need affirmative action, because of the racism inherit in the system, I would totally agree.
You say, we should have universal health care so poor black people can get the same access to medical treatment that affluent white people get, I completely support that.
You tell me that you are having stress because white people are mean to you, then I say, get a life. Everyone has a sad story. But I'd still rather be an American than any other nationality in the world, where they have REAL Stress.


When half your "poor" people are overweight, then you really don't have the problems you think you have.

 

[Lisa558]

My response is that you and your people have not been in this country long enough to have suffered MORE than black "Americans". And I put "Americans" in quotes because SCOTUS Justice Taney, in the landmark ruling Dred Scoft v Sanford stated the following



If you feel that my responses are lacking in compassion for what your people have suffered "so long ago", it's because you've failed to show an ounce of compassion for what black people have suffered in this country - in the past as well as currently.

Why do you think that the killing of the Jewish people is worse than any of the killings of black people? Why are you unable to look at our history with any understanding or compassion? How is it that I can care for and have compassion for your people, enough to put my life on the line for some of you, but all you can do is find fault?

If you were right about the things you're saying, I'd tell you so even if I got tired of hearing you talk about it. But you're not right. There are plenty of single mothers or young mothers still making their way through school with young children who manage to rise out of poverty. Yes, some of them chose to do it the harder way but that's their right. My sister's younger son and his girlfriend are both graduating this month. They have a 3 year old that they're raising and his mom is graduating with her Master's degree in spite of her pregnancy disrupting her schooling momentarily. My sister's daughter is graduating this month as well with her bachelor's at age 22 in spite of the COVID interruptions and already has a job in her field. Both of my sister's sons will be graduating with at least a bachelor possibly a master's degree.

I think it's great that you all accomplished what you did, because I believe education can open doors and change lives however I don't kick the homeless people as I pass them by or shout at them that all they need to do to get off the streets and out of poverty & homelessness is to stay in school and not have babies. Most of them are white men, by the way.

Your people are NOT the only ones who have suffered or been murdered due to race or because who they are. Your head must be up in the clouds if you cannot see that.

Didn’t read through you entire novella beyond your claim that my family wasn’t in this country to suffer as much as blacks.

My point is that MY family suffered more, much more, than blacks today. They had their loved ones - their own parents and siblings! - ripped from them and murder because they were Jewish! This happened in their lifetime. My father lost his four cousins - when they were all pre-teens or teens! And yet, in that very same generation, EVERY SINGLE CHILD went on to graduate from college.

So stop with all your desperate attempts at excuse making as you refuse to hold blacks TODAY responsible for their own decisions. They’ve been given major advantages via affirmative action for two generations! If my parents and their siblings, growing up in the shadow of the Holocaust could graduate from college DESPITE the anti-Jew quotas, then there’s no excuse for blacks to have not been able to do the same, and WITH pro-black bias in admissions.

All this excuse making about the poor blwck victims and their whitr oppressors, and your demand that whitey do more! more! More! to help blacks who won’t even help themselves is going to drive resentment from whites who owe blacks people nothing.

1. No babies before marriage.
2. Stay in school.

 

[JoeB131]

Didn’t read through you entire novella beyond your claim that my family wasn’t in this country to suffer as much as blacks.

My point is that MY family suffered more, much more, than blacks today. They had their loved ones - their own parents and siblings! - ripped from them and murder because they were Jewish! This happened in their lifetime. My father lost his four cousins - when they were all teens! And yet, in that very same generation, EVERY SINGLE CHILD went on to graduate from college.

Cousins? Really? Frankly, I haven't talked to any of my cousins in 10 years, and frankly, barely miss them. I think if one of them died, I'd be mildly annoyed I had to go to a funeral.

There's a whole wing of cousins I haven't talked to since Childhood.

So stop with all your desperate attempts at excuse making as you refuse to hold blacks TODAY responsible for their own decisions. They’ve been given major advantages via affirmative action for two generations! If my parents and their siblings, growing up in the shadow of the Holocaust could graduate from college DESPITE the anti-Jew quotas, then there’s no excuse for blacks to have not been able to do the same, and WITH pro-black bias in admissions.

The Holocaust didn't happen here. And most colleges didn't have anti-Jewish quotas. Your religion is a choice, at the end of the day, one you aren't really being penalized for.

Race isn't a choice, and there is real discrimination that goes on. You can make all the right choices, and still face discrimination, like the black Army Lieutenant who had two cops brandish pistols in his face because he drove too fast.

 

[JoeMoma]

Yes, because clearly I've had no stress in my life...
Other than having both of my parents die when I was 19
And being in the military. That's not a stressful job at all.
Or nearly being economically wiped out in 2008 after dealing with a combination of medical bills and job changes.
Or dealing with a shitload of asshole bosses.
Or working 80 hours a week building my business like I do now.

But if I have a heart attack, I'm not going to blame ANYONE but myself, for my poor diet and lack of exercise.




Again, if you are going to get into this level of silly, I'm not sure there is much I can do for you.


You tell me we need to reform the police, I'm totally with you.
You tell me we still need affirmative action, because of the racism inherit in the system, I would totally agree.
You say, we should have universal health care so poor black people can get the same access to medical treatment that affluent white people get, I completely support that.
You tell me that you are having stress because white people are mean to you, then I say, get a life. Everyone has a sad story. But I'd still rather be an American than any other nationality in the world, where they have REAL Stress.


When half your "poor" people are overweight, then you really don't have the problems you think you have.

I would not be surprised if IM2 does experience hypertension from brooding over his perceived white racism 24/7. On the other hand, I doubt the average black is constantly brooding over white racism all the time because they are too busy simply living their lives.

I'm not saying that racism is not a problem, but we have come a long way since the 1960s.

 

[Paul Essien]

Lisa558
My point is that MY family suffered more, much more, than blacks today. They had their loved ones - their own parents and siblings! - ripped from them and murder because they were Jewish! This happened in their lifetime. My father lost his four cousins - when they were all teens!

And show me black ppl (as a group) mocking that ? Show me black ppl saying "Well you know Jewish ppl sold there own" ...after all I'm pretty sure you know that there were many jewish collaborators who sent their own people to the oven or gassed in the concentration camps

Like this women. Stella Goldschlag.





But notice no one downplays the holocaust. Hell Holocaust denial is virtually a crime. Now when it comes to black chattel slavery "You ppl sold your own" "Get over it" and a million other excuses

There are tons of white people who will have more challenging lives that I as black man will have. This quadriplegic white man with cerebral palsy will face a much more challenging life than me in many ways

But the massive problems he will face won't b due to his race.

But there are also black men with celebral palsy too

And I'm pretty sure the treatment that black men with celebral palsy get is almost certainly inferior to the treatment that white men with celebral palsy get.

You seem to think black people in USMB are trying to win gold medal at the oppression Olympics.

So your trick is this : when a black person points out an example of racism you ask yourself these questions:

1. Has something like it ever been done to you or any other white person you know (or can find out about on Google)?
2. Have whites done something like it to other whites, like maybe to poor whites?
3. Has the other person’s own race done something like it?
4. Has anyone in history done something like it before? If you can come up with at least two examples then you can say, “It’s just human nature”.

You are bound to find something.

Especially if you overlook the cause and scale of what they are talking about (like racial profiling by the police of blacks ) and look just at the narrow form of the action (like being stopped by the police).

 

[Lisa558]

My response is that you and your people have not been in this country long enough to have suffered MORE than black "Americans". And I put "Americans" in quotes because SCOTUS Justice Taney, in the landmark ruling Dred Scoft v Sanford stated the following



If you feel that my responses are lacking in compassion for what your people have suffered "so long ago", it's because you've failed to show an ounce of compassion for what black people have suffered in this country - in the past as well as currently.

Why do you think that the killing of the Jewish people is worse than any of the killings of black people? Why are you unable to look at our history with any understanding or compassion? How is it that I can care for and have compassion for your people, enough to put my life on the line for some of you, but all you can do is find fault?

If you were right about the things you're saying, I'd tell you so even if I got tired of hearing you talk about it. But you're not right. There are plenty of single mothers or young mothers still making their way through school with young children who manage to rise out of poverty. Yes, some of them chose to do it the harder way but that's their right. My sister's younger son and his girlfriend are both graduating this month. They have a 3 year old that they're raising and his mom is graduating with her Master's degree in spite of her pregnancy disrupting her schooling momentarily. My sister's daughter is graduating this month as well with her bachelor's at age 22 in spite of the COVID interruptions and already has a job in her field. Both of my sister's sons will be graduating with at least a bachelor possibly a master's degree.

I think it's great that you all accomplished what you did, because I believe education can open doors and change lives however I don't kick the homeless people as I pass them by or shout at them that all they need to do to get off the streets and out of poverty & homelessness is to stay in school and not have babies. Most of them are white men, by the way.

Your people are NOT the only ones who have suffered or been murdered due to race or because who they are. Your head must be up in the clouds if you cannot see that.

and I never said my people were the only ones that suffered. But my people moved beyond it, by and large, even though the worst of it happened in the lifetimes of those still alive today - and you are still quoting legal cases from 1857 to justify why your people have a 75% OOW rate that contributes DIRECTLY to their poverty.

And you’re not right. Giving examples of some successful single mothers does not negate the facts: the is a direct correlation between having babies you can’t afford OOW, and poverty. Blacks have a HORRIBLE pattern of having babies first, often as teens, and then you’re going to blame 1857 mores on black poverty?

 

[squeeze berry]

If TyroneKwa never applied himself, got booted out of school, joined a gang, did the crimes, etc etc etc, the it is certainly TyroneKwa's fault. However, when it comes to blacks as a group, it is naive to think that racism/Jim Crow didn't contribute to blacks still being disproportionately poor. I am currently the owner of income-producing inherited properties that have been in my family for generations with those lovely Jim Crow restrictions in the deeds.

not evert white person has inherited income producing properties

You have no understanding of US History or policy if you think it is not racism.

Just a 10 minute read of the Tulsa town bombings and Emmitt Till’a murder teaches you all you need to know.

Another 10 minutes of reading about the interstate highway act by Eisenhower would seal the deal.

Read a book

meanwhile BLM riots, Watts, George Floyd Riots, LA riots, polar bear hunting, Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome, inter-racial violent crime rates, OJ Simpson, jussie Smollett, Duke LAX, welfare, affirmative action.....

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The link you posted doesn't say anything about carrying a concealed weapon. It was about self-defense laws and you seem unable to differentiate between the two.

The following is Florida's Concealed Carry Law, statue 790.06 and it says nothing about what constitutes self-defense. I would guess that the certification each person submits serves as their proof that they have been properly trained and know and understand the applicable self-defense laws. Some of them obviously don't know or understand them but I suspect just as many do and simply ignore them.

I was going to format the text for ease of reading but figured you wouldn't read it anyway but it's here for anyone else who cares to peruse it.

Yes, the link I posted is the law for self-defense using a deadly weapon, which in 99.9% of the cases is a firearm. That's why they teach law when you go to CCW class. And what other license is there to carry a concealed weapon other than a CCW? Your own link states you must possess and carry your license for a concealed weapon at all times you are armed with said weapon.