The Single Biggest Weakness of the Constitution:

[Freiheit]

So no argument just stupid talking points and insults. Very impressive

Here read the article on socialism in Wikipedia and you'll find it agrees with me as do everything outside your bubble of BS propaganda, dumbass.
Socialism - Wikipedia on

Socialism killed 120 million and yet Sanders tells us we ought to be socialist? German parents had the brains to stop naming their children Adolf after WW2 so why doesn't Sanders have the brains to stop calling himself a socialist?

Why do you refuse to understand the definition between communism and socialism, super duper. Everyone outside your bubble of GOP BS propaganda knows the difference. GOP idiocy

Socialism has been defined since the eighteenth century, communism since the nineteenth century. Every credible resource from the Encyclopedia Britannica through text books, dictionaries and thousands of resources reflect the Merriam Webster definition of socialism. Your refusal to accept the definition of socialism means we have nothing to talk about. Your refusal leads me to believe you are woefully ignorant of any political theory and are parroting something you have been told by others either ignorant or with
insidious motives. Go read some Engels, Luxemburg, Lassalle, Behul, Orwell (George Orwell was a socialist his view of such a society in Animal Farm and 1984 are enlightening. Marx Das Kapital, and Communist Manifesto are musts since Marx based his theories on socialism. Just read some economics studies and political studies. Cure your stubborn ignorance with knowledge. Otherwise we have no basis for any discussion. I have no idea what you are talking about and you refuse to see what I am talking about.

And I suppose Nazis are socialist? LOL.

They were after all the National Socialist German Workers Party. Don't ya just hate it?
Speech by Hitler 1923 "We are socialists we are anti capitalists".

 

[francoHFW]

"Stupid is as stupid does" Forests' mom was certainly right about you. You are too stupid to even talk to.

So no argument just stupid talking points and insults. Very impressive

Here read the article on socialism in Wikipedia and you'll find it agrees with me as do everything outside your bubble of BS propaganda, dumbass.
Socialism - Wikipedia on

Socialism killed 120 million and yet Sanders tells us we ought to be socialist? German parents had the brains to stop naming their children Adolf after WW2 so why doesn't Sanders have the brains to stop calling himself a socialist?

Why do you refuse to understand the definition between communism and socialism, super duper. Everyone outside your bubble of GOP BS propaganda knows the difference. GOP idiocy

Socialism has been defined since the eighteenth century, communism since the nineteenth century. Every credible resource from the Encyclopedia Britannica through text books, dictionaries and thousands of resources reflect the Merriam Webster definition of socialism. Your refusal to accept the definition of socialism means we have nothing to talk about. Your refusal leads me to believe you are woefully ignorant of any political theory and are parroting something you have been told by others either ignorant or with
insidious motives. Go read some Engels, Luxemburg, Lassalle, Behul, Orwell (George Orwell was a socialist his view of such a society in Animal Farm and 1984 are enlightening. Marx Das Kapital, and Communist Manifesto are musts since Marx based his theories on socialism. Just read some economics studies and political studies. Cure your stubborn ignorance with knowledge. Otherwise we have no basis for any discussion. I have no idea what you are talking about and you refuse to see what I am talking about.

There are three stages in the definition of socialism historically. GOP dukes and Cold War dinosaurs are stuck are there on the Marxist definition or the definition based on the USSR. Try joining the rest of the world who follow the definition of the Socialists who broke with the USSR... And now run all successful modern countries except possibly the United States, which is a rich a****** GOP rip off of the middle class and the working class now. Only the ridiculous GOP propaganda machine makes it possible super duper.

 

[Freiheit]

So no argument just stupid talking points and insults. Very impressive

Here read the article on socialism in Wikipedia and you'll find it agrees with me as do everything outside your bubble of BS propaganda, dumbass.
Socialism - Wikipedia on

Socialism killed 120 million and yet Sanders tells us we ought to be socialist? German parents had the brains to stop naming their children Adolf after WW2 so why doesn't Sanders have the brains to stop calling himself a socialist?

Why do you refuse to understand the definition between communism and socialism, super duper. Everyone outside your bubble of GOP BS propaganda knows the difference. GOP idiocy

Socialism has been defined since the eighteenth century, communism since the nineteenth century. Every credible resource from the Encyclopedia Britannica through text books, dictionaries and thousands of resources reflect the Merriam Webster definition of socialism. Your refusal to accept the definition of socialism means we have nothing to talk about. Your refusal leads me to believe you are woefully ignorant of any political theory and are parroting something you have been told by others either ignorant or with
insidious motives. Go read some Engels, Luxemburg, Lassalle, Behul, Orwell (George Orwell was a socialist his view of such a society in Animal Farm and 1984 are enlightening. Marx Das Kapital, and Communist Manifesto are musts since Marx based his theories on socialism. Just read some economics studies and political studies. Cure your stubborn ignorance with knowledge. Otherwise we have no basis for any discussion. I have no idea what you are talking about and you refuse to see what I am talking about.

There are three stages in the definition of socialism historically. GOP dukes and Cold War dinosaurs are stuck are there on the Marxist definition or the definition based on the USSR. Try joining the rest of the world who follow the definition of the Socialists who broke with the USSR... And now run all successful modern countries except possibly the United States, which is a rich a****** GOP rip off of the middle class and the working class now. Only the ridiculous GOP propaganda machine makes it possible super duper.

You are perhaps the dumbest, most illiterate useful idiot I have ever had the misfortune to have contact with. You are too stupid to realise you have been insulted and ridiculed. You actually think the language should change to suit your cretinous intellect.
Your nauseous insults are taken directly from the scholarly pages of Workers World, International Socialist Review, Wisconsin Comrade, Call and etc. and etc.

 

[francoHFW]

Here read the article on socialism in Wikipedia and you'll find it agrees with me as do everything outside your bubble of BS propaganda, dumbass.
Socialism - Wikipedia on

Socialism killed 120 million and yet Sanders tells us we ought to be socialist? German parents had the brains to stop naming their children Adolf after WW2 so why doesn't Sanders have the brains to stop calling himself a socialist?

Why do you refuse to understand the definition between communism and socialism, super duper. Everyone outside your bubble of GOP BS propaganda knows the difference. GOP idiocy

Socialism has been defined since the eighteenth century, communism since the nineteenth century. Every credible resource from the Encyclopedia Britannica through text books, dictionaries and thousands of resources reflect the Merriam Webster definition of socialism. Your refusal to accept the definition of socialism means we have nothing to talk about. Your refusal leads me to believe you are woefully ignorant of any political theory and are parroting something you have been told by others either ignorant or with
insidious motives. Go read some Engels, Luxemburg, Lassalle, Behul, Orwell (George Orwell was a socialist his view of such a society in Animal Farm and 1984 are enlightening. Marx Das Kapital, and Communist Manifesto are musts since Marx based his theories on socialism. Just read some economics studies and political studies. Cure your stubborn ignorance with knowledge. Otherwise we have no basis for any discussion. I have no idea what you are talking about and you refuse to see what I am talking about.

There are three stages in the definition of socialism historically. GOP dukes and Cold War dinosaurs are stuck are there on the Marxist definition or the definition based on the USSR. Try joining the rest of the world who follow the definition of the Socialists who broke with the USSR... And now run all successful modern countries except possibly the United States, which is a rich a****** GOP rip off of the middle class and the working class now. Only the ridiculous GOP propaganda machine makes it possible super duper.

You are perhaps the dumbest, most illiterate useful idiot I have ever had the misfortune to have contact with. You are too stupid to realise you have been insulted and ridiculed. You actually think the language should change to suit your cretinous intellect.
Your nauseous insults are taken directly from the scholarly pages of Workers World, International Socialist Review, Wisconsin Comrade, Call and etc. and etc.

I respect and admire your opinion, super duper. LOL. So socialism and communism are interchangeable. Brilliant. Bernie Sanders is a communist. He wants a dictatorship that's owns all business and industry. Snap out of it stupid

 

[francoHFW]

Here read the article on socialism in Wikipedia and you'll find it agrees with me as do everything outside your bubble of BS propaganda, dumbass.
Socialism - Wikipedia on

Socialism killed 120 million and yet Sanders tells us we ought to be socialist? German parents had the brains to stop naming their children Adolf after WW2 so why doesn't Sanders have the brains to stop calling himself a socialist?

Why do you refuse to understand the definition between communism and socialism, super duper. Everyone outside your bubble of GOP BS propaganda knows the difference. GOP idiocy

Socialism has been defined since the eighteenth century, communism since the nineteenth century. Every credible resource from the Encyclopedia Britannica through text books, dictionaries and thousands of resources reflect the Merriam Webster definition of socialism. Your refusal to accept the definition of socialism means we have nothing to talk about. Your refusal leads me to believe you are woefully ignorant of any political theory and are parroting something you have been told by others either ignorant or with
insidious motives. Go read some Engels, Luxemburg, Lassalle, Behul, Orwell (George Orwell was a socialist his view of such a society in Animal Farm and 1984 are enlightening. Marx Das Kapital, and Communist Manifesto are musts since Marx based his theories on socialism. Just read some economics studies and political studies. Cure your stubborn ignorance with knowledge. Otherwise we have no basis for any discussion. I have no idea what you are talking about and you refuse to see what I am talking about.

And I suppose Nazis are socialist? LOL.

They were after all the National Socialist German Workers Party. Don't ya just hate it?
Speech by Hitler 1923 "We are socialists we are anti capitalists".

and you believe all right wing propaganda so you believe Hitler the biggest liar in the history of humanity LOL

 

[DustyInfinity]

I forget who said it, but some wise person pointed out that when the People realize that they can vote themselves money from the public trough, Democracy is doomed.

And they are doing just that when they vote for politicians who promise "free" medical care, "free" college, guaranteed annual wage, and things of that nature.

In my opinion, Voter's ID's should be passed out by the IRS, and if you haven't paid at least a thousand dollars in FIT, you don't get one. And that includes retired people......ESPECIALLY retired people (I am one of them).

What could be fairer than that?

Every citizen should be able to vote. Your sympathy for the greedy idiot rich GOP is touching, super duper dupe.

At what point does someone become an evil rich douche? What is the magic number? Let's say a teacher earns 30k. Is he or she evil and greedy? What if two teachers get married? 60k. Evil and Greedy? What about mechanics, construction workers, accountants? What is the magic evil, greedy, douche threshold? I'm guessing it is anyone who has a job.

 

[jbander]

War is peace.

Freedom is slavery.

Ignorance is strength.

YUP, he is virtually advocating for a 1984 system.

I'm in favor of fair capitalism with a good safety net, conspiracy Nut Job brainwashed functional GOP moron. Why are we the only modern country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage good vacations good infrastructure cheap college in training, national ID card 2 and illegal immigration? The scumbag greedy idiot rich GOP and silly dupes like you. All to save the greedy idiot Rich GOP billionaires from paying their fair share.

LOL, you're as bad as palos. Do you really think that you saying this 200 times a day makes it true?
You're in favor of making EVERYONE do what YOU think is "fair".

I have a masters in history, you have a masters in GOP propaganda that everyone in the world outside your bubble nose is crap. What do you have against a healthy middle and working class? 35 years of GOP dominance and we have the worst inequality and upward mobility in our history. You don't know that, but you know every phony Scandal and misinformation the GOP propaganda machine spews at you.

Oh dear God, a history major. You read all those books and thought freedom was a bad idea?

Of course everyone on the left knows how humorous the idea about anything that has to do with freedom as far as the right is concerned , to the right's freedom are for those who can afford it. Not only that but what they think is freedom when your driven by hate, like the right is and all of a sudden their freedom has nothing to do with freedom. Unless it's for them. They are frauds every time they open their mouths about freedom.

 

[jbander]

I forget who said it, but some wise person pointed out that when the People realize that they can vote themselves money from the public trough, Democracy is doomed.

And they are doing just that when they vote for politicians who promise "free" medical care, "free" college, guaranteed annual wage, and things of that nature.

In my opinion, Voter's ID's should be passed out by the IRS, and if you haven't paid at least a thousand dollars in FIT, you don't get one. And that includes retired people......ESPECIALLY retired people (I am one of them).

What could be fairer than that?

Every citizen should be able to vote. Your sympathy for the greedy idiot rich GOP is touching, super duper dupe.

At what point does someone become an evil rich douche? What is the magic number? Let's say a teacher earns 30k. Is he or she evil and greedy? What if two teachers get married? 60k. Evil and Greedy? What about mechanics, construction workers, accountants? What is the magic evil, greedy, douche threshold? I'm guessing it is anyone who has a job.

Anyone have a clue on this tripe???

 

[jbander]

The Single Biggest Weakness of the Constitution:

It's actually conflict of interest for the poor to be voting since they are merely voting for money (democracy as theft) in their pockets rather than for the commonweal. This points to what turns out to be the biggest weakness of the Constitution. It has no conceptual arguments. It should say, for example, you have to be 35 years old to be president and to vote to insure you have enough wisdom and experience. Similarly, the 10th Amendment should clearly say liberal central govt is illegal in America because monopolistic liberal central govt has been the source of evil in human history. Without conceptual arguments the Constitution has little meaning.Liberals can turn it into a living communist Constitution. If the concept of the 10th Amendment had been as clear as the percept of the Second Amendment America would be sitting pretty today instead of staring down the barrel of Sanders, Warren, Waters, Booker, Ocasio-Cortez communist gun.

I'll get back to the OP. I agree that this is a huge weakness. Of all the way the founders worried about corruption, this is the avenue the government used to chip away at individual freedom. Offering benefits for votes has been the single biggest disaster in our history. The politicians that win are the ones that promise the most stuff. This thread idea comes around quite often, and for good reason. We have one of the most progressive tax codes in the world, and democrats never rest on how much more they can take. I heard recently the amount of tax revenue of the lowest 40% with both the sales and income taxes included. I think it was a single digit number. I am disabled, and I receive aid, but I vote republican because I realize nobody owes me anything. I don't push for more aid and I appreciate what I do get. Giving an unlimited wish list to people who shoulder none of the burden is nuts. Personally, I would be fine with having employment as a requirement for voting. I had my time, I had my chance. When people retire, it is time to turn in the keys. People suck, but I really do believe that working Americans would take great care of the elderly(Our Parents) and the disabled(Family Members). It just seems like common sense that people should not be given an unlimited wish list with no personal consequences.

Well we have to stop at the bullshit and just forget reading the rest , we in no way have one of the most progressive tax rates in the world , that just nonsense looking for a home in the brain dead.

 

[jbander]

The Single Biggest Weakness of the Constitution:

It's actually conflict of interest for the poor to be voting since they are merely voting for money (democracy as theft) in their pockets rather than for the commonweal. This points to what turns out to be the biggest weakness of the Constitution. It has no conceptual arguments. It should say, for example, you have to be 35 years old to be president and to vote to insure you have enough wisdom and experience. Similarly, the 10th Amendment should clearly say liberal central govt is illegal in America because monopolistic liberal central govt has been the source of evil in human history. Without conceptual arguments the Constitution has little meaning.Liberals can turn it into a living communist Constitution. If the concept of the 10th Amendment had been as clear as the percept of the Second Amendment America would be sitting pretty today instead of staring down the barrel of Sanders, Warren, Waters, Booker, Ocasio-Cortez communist gun.

I'll get back to the OP. I agree that this is a huge weakness. Of all the way the founders worried about corruption, this is the avenue the government used to chip away at individual freedom. Offering benefits for votes has been the single biggest disaster in our history. The politicians that win are the ones that promise the most stuff. This thread idea comes around quite often, and for good reason. We have one of the most progressive tax codes in the world, and democrats never rest on how much more they can take. I heard recently the amount of tax revenue of the lowest 40% with both the sales and income taxes included. I think it was a single digit number. I am disabled, and I receive aid, but I vote republican because I realize nobody owes me anything. I don't push for more aid and I appreciate what I do get. Giving an unlimited wish list to people who shoulder none of the burden is nuts. Personally, I would be fine with having employment as a requirement for voting. I had my time, I had my chance. When people retire, it is time to turn in the keys. People suck, but I really do believe that working Americans would take great care of the elderly(Our Parents) and the disabled(Family Members). It just seems like common sense that people should not be given an unlimited wish list with no personal consequences.

Lousy management does that. We really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage and unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed.

Means tested welfare can take care of the rest.

Yup, why should me and my neighbors have to pay for people to keep a roof over their family and food on their table when the two adults are both working 40 hours and need food stamps to survive and other support to do that. So business can make more money, why is it my responsibility to have to pay for their golden profits.$15 an hour is a start but it always has to be enough to feed a family no matter what the wage level is. Who in the hell saves money at wall-mart if they have to pay for one of their workers to survive. That what the right want for this country , it's just another way to hand everything they can to the wealthy and big B

 

[DustyInfinity]

The Single Biggest Weakness of the Constitution:

It's actually conflict of interest for the poor to be voting since they are merely voting for money (democracy as theft) in their pockets rather than for the commonweal. This points to what turns out to be the biggest weakness of the Constitution. It has no conceptual arguments. It should say, for example, you have to be 35 years old to be president and to vote to insure you have enough wisdom and experience. Similarly, the 10th Amendment should clearly say liberal central govt is illegal in America because monopolistic liberal central govt has been the source of evil in human history. Without conceptual arguments the Constitution has little meaning.Liberals can turn it into a living communist Constitution. If the concept of the 10th Amendment had been as clear as the percept of the Second Amendment America would be sitting pretty today instead of staring down the barrel of Sanders, Warren, Waters, Booker, Ocasio-Cortez communist gun.

I'll get back to the OP. I agree that this is a huge weakness. Of all the way the founders worried about corruption, this is the avenue the government used to chip away at individual freedom. Offering benefits for votes has been the single biggest disaster in our history. The politicians that win are the ones that promise the most stuff. This thread idea comes around quite often, and for good reason. We have one of the most progressive tax codes in the world, and democrats never rest on how much more they can take. I heard recently the amount of tax revenue of the lowest 40% with both the sales and income taxes included. I think it was a single digit number. I am disabled, and I receive aid, but I vote republican because I realize nobody owes me anything. I don't push for more aid and I appreciate what I do get. Giving an unlimited wish list to people who shoulder none of the burden is nuts. Personally, I would be fine with having employment as a requirement for voting. I had my time, I had my chance. When people retire, it is time to turn in the keys. People suck, but I really do believe that working Americans would take great care of the elderly(Our Parents) and the disabled(Family Members). It just seems like common sense that people should not be given an unlimited wish list with no personal consequences.

Well we have to stop at the bullshit and just forget reading the rest , we in no way have one of the most progressive tax rates in the world , that just nonsense looking for a home in the brain dead.

The bottom 40 % pay around 8% after sales and income tax combined. That isn't fair? What in the world is your idea of fair? I'm hearing more hate the rich vibes, but I'm pretty sure that includes whatever middle class is left. Medicare, food stamps, disability, unemployment benefits. Good grief, what is this only the rich can afford freedom stuff?

 

[McRocket]

Too many people look at it as some divine document...sacred and Holy.

It's just a bunch of rules/laws made up by a bunch of dudes a LONG time ago.

Of course, that is not the Constitution's fault.


As for me, personally? I follow NO law/rule that I don't believe is moral unless the consequences of not following it is too much of a hassle.

In other words - they mean next to nothing to me. I decide what is right and wrong...no one else.

Anyone who blindly follows a rule/law - even if they morally disagree with it - is a spineless nobody to me.

 

[jbander]

The Single Biggest Weakness of the Constitution:

It's actually conflict of interest for the poor to be voting since they are merely voting for money (democracy as theft) in their pockets rather than for the commonweal. This points to what turns out to be the biggest weakness of the Constitution. It has no conceptual arguments. It should say, for example, you have to be 35 years old to be president and to vote to insure you have enough wisdom and experience. Similarly, the 10th Amendment should clearly say liberal central govt is illegal in America because monopolistic liberal central govt has been the source of evil in human history. Without conceptual arguments the Constitution has little meaning.Liberals can turn it into a living communist Constitution. If the concept of the 10th Amendment had been as clear as the percept of the Second Amendment America would be sitting pretty today instead of staring down the barrel of Sanders, Warren, Waters, Booker, Ocasio-Cortez communist gun.

I'll get back to the OP. I agree that this is a huge weakness. Of all the way the founders worried about corruption, this is the avenue the government used to chip away at individual freedom. Offering benefits for votes has been the single biggest disaster in our history. The politicians that win are the ones that promise the most stuff. This thread idea comes around quite often, and for good reason. We have one of the most progressive tax codes in the world, and democrats never rest on how much more they can take. I heard recently the amount of tax revenue of the lowest 40% with both the sales and income taxes included. I think it was a single digit number. I am disabled, and I receive aid, but I vote republican because I realize nobody owes me anything. I don't push for more aid and I appreciate what I do get. Giving an unlimited wish list to people who shoulder none of the burden is nuts. Personally, I would be fine with having employment as a requirement for voting. I had my time, I had my chance. When people retire, it is time to turn in the keys. People suck, but I really do believe that working Americans would take great care of the elderly(Our Parents) and the disabled(Family Members). It just seems like common sense that people should not be given an unlimited wish list with no personal consequences.

Well we have to stop at the bullshit and just forget reading the rest , we in no way have one of the most progressive tax rates in the world , that just nonsense looking for a home in the brain dead.

The bottom 40 % pay around 8% after sales and income tax combined. That isn't fair? What in the world is your idea of fair? I'm hearing more hate the rich vibes, but I'm pretty sure that includes whatever middle class is left. Medicare, food stamps, disability, unemployment benefits. Good grief, what is this only the rich can afford freedom stuff?

 

[jbander]

The Single Biggest Weakness of the Constitution:

It's actually conflict of interest for the poor to be voting since they are merely voting for money (democracy as theft) in their pockets rather than for the commonweal. This points to what turns out to be the biggest weakness of the Constitution. It has no conceptual arguments. It should say, for example, you have to be 35 years old to be president and to vote to insure you have enough wisdom and experience. Similarly, the 10th Amendment should clearly say liberal central govt is illegal in America because monopolistic liberal central govt has been the source of evil in human history. Without conceptual arguments the Constitution has little meaning.Liberals can turn it into a living communist Constitution. If the concept of the 10th Amendment had been as clear as the percept of the Second Amendment America would be sitting pretty today instead of staring down the barrel of Sanders, Warren, Waters, Booker, Ocasio-Cortez communist gun.

I'll get back to the OP. I agree that this is a huge weakness. Of all the way the founders worried about corruption, this is the avenue the government used to chip away at individual freedom. Offering benefits for votes has been the single biggest disaster in our history. The politicians that win are the ones that promise the most stuff. This thread idea comes around quite often, and for good reason. We have one of the most progressive tax codes in the world, and democrats never rest on how much more they can take. I heard recently the amount of tax revenue of the lowest 40% with both the sales and income taxes included. I think it was a single digit number. I am disabled, and I receive aid, but I vote republican because I realize nobody owes me anything. I don't push for more aid and I appreciate what I do get. Giving an unlimited wish list to people who shoulder none of the burden is nuts. Personally, I would be fine with having employment as a requirement for voting. I had my time, I had my chance. When people retire, it is time to turn in the keys. People suck, but I really do believe that working Americans would take great care of the elderly(Our Parents) and the disabled(Family Members). It just seems like common sense that people should not be given an unlimited wish list with no personal consequences.

Well we have to stop at the bullshit and just forget reading the rest , we in no way have one of the most progressive tax rates in the world , that just nonsense looking for a home in the brain dead.

The bottom 40 % pay around 8% after sales and income tax combined. That isn't fair? What in the world is your idea of fair? I'm hearing more hate the rich vibes, but I'm pretty sure that includes whatever middle class is left. Medicare, food stamps, disability, unemployment benefits. Good grief, what is this only the rich can afford freedom stuff?

Did I hurt your feeling buddy. I don't give a flying fuck how much they pay in taxes ,Since 81 corporate profits were 200 billion , now they are up to 2 trillion a year and Since the trickle down bozo lie, nothing has gone to anyone except the few at the top , so their profit is up 10 times what it was in 81 , the golden few that the trickle down lie was written for got it all. Just this one year they received 1.8 trillion more then they earned in 81. But no one else got a thing. Maybe a good number for taxes with these people would be double or triple what they pay now. It wouldn't even dent the extra 1.8 trillion they received this year extra over what they got in 81. Tripling it wouldn't even make a dent. My point about needing to be rich to get the freedom that this country stands , you figure it out big guy.

 

[francoHFW]

I forget who said it, but some wise person pointed out that when the People realize that they can vote themselves money from the public trough, Democracy is doomed.

And they are doing just that when they vote for politicians who promise "free" medical care, "free" college, guaranteed annual wage, and things of that nature.

In my opinion, Voter's ID's should be passed out by the IRS, and if you haven't paid at least a thousand dollars in FIT, you don't get one. And that includes retired people......ESPECIALLY retired people (I am one of them).

What could be fairer than that?

Every citizen should be able to vote. Your sympathy for the greedy idiot rich GOP is touching, super duper dupe.

At what point does someone become an evil rich douche? What is the magic number? Let's say a teacher earns 30k. Is he or she evil and greedy? What if two teachers get married? 60k. Evil and Greedy? What about mechanics, construction workers, accountants? What is the magic evil, greedy, douche threshold? I'm guessing it is anyone who has a job.

Anyone have a clue on this tripe???

I should have said greedy idiot GOP rich, that's the difference. Democrat Rich are fine, they want to pay more in Taxes and invest in Americans and America for a change...

 

[GreenAndBlue]

The Single Biggest Weakness of the Constitution:

It's actually conflict of interest for the poor to be voting since they are merely voting for money (democracy as theft) in their pockets rather than for the commonweal. This points to what turns out to be the biggest weakness of the Constitution. It has no conceptual arguments. It should say, for example, you have to be 35 years old to be president and to vote to insure you have enough wisdom and experience. Similarly, the 10th Amendment should clearly say liberal central govt is illegal in America because monopolistic liberal central govt has been the source of evil in human history. Without conceptual arguments the Constitution has little meaning.Liberals can turn it into a living communist Constitution. If the concept of the 10th Amendment had been as clear as the percept of the Second Amendment America would be sitting pretty today instead of staring down the barrel of Sanders, Warren, Waters, Booker, Ocasio-Cortez communist gun.

lets not say the poor....lets say the UNWISE....our wise founders set up the correct system and had only the most wise to vote

a wisdom test was used to separate the unwise white males from the wise white males they called it a property test... the other groups they already could see thru history were either unwise or too emotional to make good decisions....women could own property but could not vote......the founders knew history and said there never was a democracy that didn.t commit suicide

today america has the opposite system with the unwise voters electing crooks ..total destruction if americas voting system is not changed back quickly

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The Single Biggest Weakness of the Constitution:

It's actually conflict of interest for the poor to be voting since they are merely voting for money (democracy as theft) in their pockets rather than for the commonweal. This points to what turns out to be the biggest weakness of the Constitution. It has no conceptual arguments. It should say, for example, you have to be 35 years old to be president and to vote to insure you have enough wisdom and experience. Similarly, the 10th Amendment should clearly say liberal central govt is illegal in America because monopolistic liberal central govt has been the source of evil in human history. Without conceptual arguments the Constitution has little meaning.Liberals can turn it into a living communist Constitution. If the concept of the 10th Amendment had been as clear as the percept of the Second Amendment America would be sitting pretty today instead of staring down the barrel of Sanders, Warren, Waters, Booker, Ocasio-Cortez communist gun.

I'll get back to the OP. I agree that this is a huge weakness. Of all the way the founders worried about corruption, this is the avenue the government used to chip away at individual freedom. Offering benefits for votes has been the single biggest disaster in our history. The politicians that win are the ones that promise the most stuff. This thread idea comes around quite often, and for good reason. We have one of the most progressive tax codes in the world, and democrats never rest on how much more they can take. I heard recently the amount of tax revenue of the lowest 40% with both the sales and income taxes included. I think it was a single digit number. I am disabled, and I receive aid, but I vote republican because I realize nobody owes me anything. I don't push for more aid and I appreciate what I do get. Giving an unlimited wish list to people who shoulder none of the burden is nuts. Personally, I would be fine with having employment as a requirement for voting. I had my time, I had my chance. When people retire, it is time to turn in the keys. People suck, but I really do believe that working Americans would take great care of the elderly(Our Parents) and the disabled(Family Members). It just seems like common sense that people should not be given an unlimited wish list with no personal consequences.

Well we have to stop at the bullshit and just forget reading the rest , we in no way have one of the most progressive tax rates in the world , that just nonsense looking for a home in the brain dead.

The bottom 40 % pay around 8% after sales and income tax combined. That isn't fair? What in the world is your idea of fair? I'm hearing more hate the rich vibes, but I'm pretty sure that includes whatever middle class is left. Medicare, food stamps, disability, unemployment benefits. Good grief, what is this only the rich can afford freedom stuff?

Yep fed and state spending is now $65000 per family but it’s never enough for libsocialists.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The Single Biggest Weakness of the Constitution:

It's actually conflict of interest for the poor to be voting since they are merely voting for money (democracy as theft) in their pockets rather than for the commonweal. This points to what turns out to be the biggest weakness of the Constitution. It has no conceptual arguments. It should say, for example, you have to be 35 years old to be president and to vote to insure you have enough wisdom and experience. Similarly, the 10th Amendment should clearly say liberal central govt is illegal in America because monopolistic liberal central govt has been the source of evil in human history. Without conceptual arguments the Constitution has little meaning.Liberals can turn it into a living communist Constitution. If the concept of the 10th Amendment had been as clear as the percept of the Second Amendment America would be sitting pretty today instead of staring down the barrel of Sanders, Warren, Waters, Booker, Ocasio-Cortez communist gun.

I'll get back to the OP. I agree that this is a huge weakness. Of all the way the founders worried about corruption, this is the avenue the government used to chip away at individual freedom. Offering benefits for votes has been the single biggest disaster in our history. The politicians that win are the ones that promise the most stuff. This thread idea comes around quite often, and for good reason. We have one of the most progressive tax codes in the world, and democrats never rest on how much more they can take. I heard recently the amount of tax revenue of the lowest 40% with both the sales and income taxes included. I think it was a single digit number. I am disabled, and I receive aid, but I vote republican because I realize nobody owes me anything. I don't push for more aid and I appreciate what I do get. Giving an unlimited wish list to people who shoulder none of the burden is nuts. Personally, I would be fine with having employment as a requirement for voting. I had my time, I had my chance. When people retire, it is time to turn in the keys. People suck, but I really do believe that working Americans would take great care of the elderly(Our Parents) and the disabled(Family Members). It just seems like common sense that people should not be given an unlimited wish list with no personal consequences.

Well we have to stop at the bullshit and just forget reading the rest , we in no way have one of the most progressive tax rates in the world , that just nonsense looking for a home in the brain dead.

Our tax is extremely progressive we rely more on the top one % than any other country in the world. Government is the problem just disband and let everybody keep $65000 per family. Americans sometimes struggle because government steals and wastes so much money. Capitalism made us rich and then government made us poor

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

YUP, he is virtually advocating for a 1984 system.

I'm in favor of fair capitalism with a good safety net, conspiracy Nut Job brainwashed functional GOP moron. Why are we the only modern country without Healthcare daycare paid parental leave living wage good vacations good infrastructure cheap college in training, national ID card 2 and illegal immigration? The scumbag greedy idiot rich GOP and silly dupes like you. All to save the greedy idiot Rich GOP billionaires from paying their fair share.

LOL, you're as bad as palos. Do you really think that you saying this 200 times a day makes it true?
You're in favor of making EVERYONE do what YOU think is "fair".

I have a masters in history, you have a masters in GOP propaganda that everyone in the world outside your bubble nose is crap. What do you have against a healthy middle and working class? 35 years of GOP dominance and we have the worst inequality and upward mobility in our history. You don't know that, but you know every phony Scandal and misinformation the GOP propaganda machine spews at you.

Oh dear God, a history major. You read all those books and thought freedom was a bad idea?

Of course everyone on the left knows how humorous the idea about anything that has to do with freedom as far as the right is concerned , to the right's freedom are for those who can afford it. Not only that but what they think is freedom when your driven by hate, like the right is and all of a sudden their freedom has nothing to do with freedom. Unless it's for them. They are frauds every time they open their mouths about freedom.

So our founders were frauds for talking about freedom from tax and waste liberal government?

 

[Norman]

The Single Biggest Weakness of the Constitution:

It's actually conflict of interest for the poor to be voting since they are merely voting for money (democracy as theft) in their pockets rather than for the commonweal. This points to what turns out to be the biggest weakness of the Constitution. It has no conceptual arguments. It should say, for example, you have to be 35 years old to be president and to vote to insure you have enough wisdom and experience. Similarly, the 10th Amendment should clearly say liberal central govt is illegal in America because monopolistic liberal central govt has been the source of evil in human history. Without conceptual arguments the Constitution has little meaning.Liberals can turn it into a living communist Constitution. If the concept of the 10th Amendment had been as clear as the percept of the Second Amendment America would be sitting pretty today instead of staring down the barrel of Sanders, Warren, Waters, Booker, Ocasio-Cortez communist gun.

When America was founded not everyone could vote. That was a good call.

Today, everyone can vote... even the illegals... a disaster.