The Socialism boogeyman

That is your opinion. Others disagree.
You for instance

I suspect you are a true fence sitter who just likes to complain about the party in power

But I doubt if you ever as bitterly opposed to obama or biden as you are about trump

which is unfortunate since the radical left that is taking over the democrat party is a far greater danger to capitalism nad individual liberty than trump is
 
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That is your opinion. Others disagree.
You for instance

I suspect you are a true fence sitter who just likes to complain about the party in power

But I doubt if you ever as bitterly opposed to obama or biden as you are about trump

which is unfortunate since the radical left that is taking over the democrat party is a far greater danger to capitalism nad individual liberty than trump is
I wonder if you notice that you just exist on assumptions. You don't ask what my opinion is, you just make simplistic assumptions based on pure ignorance.

You're more than welcome to start a thread on Obama and invite me. When he was President, I had plenty of specific criticisms that I'm happy to share, for which the Regressive Lefties here regularly called me a racist.

You have no intellectual curiosity. That's an affliction that many share, sadly.
 
The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years

Gee, Bill, when you asked for brains early in life, did they back up the cement truck, open up your head and just pour it in? Socialism has worked out so NOT WELL for America that it has now driven our debt up to around the 24 trillion dollar mark to the point where it is taking all our GDP just to pay the interest, when from 1776 to 2009 it had only reached about 9 trillion.

We have just about run out of other people's money to keep your fantasies alive.
 
The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.


The left likes to point to the Scandinavian nations as good examples of "socialism." The problem is that their foreign ministers are quick to point out that they are NOT socialist countries. They identify themselves as "free-market capitalist" nations with a couple of social programs. They also point out that to ensure that the large companies will stay in their countries, they do not tax them heavily. The middle-class are the most heavily taxed. So, what are their most significant social programs? One is similar to our Social Security for the elderly. The other is their health care programs (cradle to grave). This has worked well in the past, as they are each small nations with much smaller homogenous populations than the US.
However, with the large influx of migrant populations into their areas, their social programs are currently failing, as there aren't enough funds/services to cover the needs of the migrants and their citizens. This, is the failing of the socialized programs. It fails at handling large populations of poorly educated migrants and their needs. Over time, it breaks the bank.
Because of its overall failure, Scandinavians have left their own countries and moved to locations such as Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic, where their governments have banned the influx of Muslim migrants. Also, by noticing that those nations have no Islamic terrorist problems, they feel safer there.
I believe it was Vladimir Lenin that said, "Democracy is needed for Socialism to rise," and he was a Communist. The Marxists peddle the idea that once Socialism takes over, there will be no more classes. All will be equal. In a sense, that is true. Once true Socialism takes over there will only be one class, poor. Only the higher echelon in the Politburo have any wealth.
Don't forget that the tax burden is crazy high and most people are even unaware of it since most taxes are hidden, fooling the Average Joe to think it is only around 30%.
 
I wonder if you notice that you just exist on assumptions. You don't ask what my opinion is, you just make simplistic assumptions based on pure ignorance.
I read your posts that are 100% negative toward trump and trump supporters

and if biden wins I expect you will be no more than moderately negative toward him

just enough to maintain your non-partisan creds

which fits the MO of most fence sitters

you can never support anyone or anything lest you leave yourself open to criticism
 
I wonder if you notice that you just exist on assumptions. You don't ask what my opinion is, you just make simplistic assumptions based on pure ignorance.
I read your posts that are 100% negative toward trump and trump supporters

and if biden wins I expect you will be no more than moderately negative toward him

just enough to maintain your non-partisan creds

which fits the MO of most fence sitters

you can never support anyone or anything lest you leave yourself open to criticism
Here we go again.

On what issues am I on the fence? You must know, otherwise you wouldn't say it.

Go ahead.
 
On what issues am I on the fence? You must know, otherwise you wouldn't say it.
On the danger of socialism through the democrat party

you will not admit to supporting biden, but your bitter
hate toward trump is unmistakable
 
On what issues am I on the fence? You must know, otherwise you wouldn't say it.
On the danger of socialism through the democrat party

you will not admit to supporting biden, but your bitter
hate toward trump is unmistakable
I've said many times that I'm voting for Biden.

I am quite confident that the Democrats will not make us Venezuela, and I've said that.

I don't hate anyone. I leave that counter-productive emotion to others.

So you're wrong, three times. Anything else? Surely you have better examples of my fence-sitting.
 
I am quite confident that the Democrats will not make us Venezuela, and I've said that.
We disagree

Black Lies Matter, ANTIFA and the Squad are driving the democrat party today and they are stridently anti capitalist

I suspect your support for biden extends only as far as removing trump from office

after that you will climb back upon your fence in an attempt to disavow anything Sleepy Joe does after taking charge
 
The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.


The "American form of Capitalism" that you leftbats decry is crony corporatism/soft fascism that you love to pieces when you think it benefits you.

Then, in your relentless quest for more power over the hoi polloy, you disingenuous dickweeds claim that "capitalism has failed", and are now openly pushing for socialism....Real Soviet-styled, elitist, from-the-top-down socialism, under the rubric that the proletariat is too hapless, helpless, and hopeless to be allowed to live their lives as they see fit.

You progs are among the lowest forms of life, and will one day be surpassed by the cockroach on the evolutionary scale.
 
I am quite confident that the Democrats will not make us Venezuela, and I've said that.
We disagree

Black Lies Matter, ANTIFA and the Squad are driving the democrat party today and they are stridently anti capitalist

I suspect your support for biden extends only as far as removing trump from office

after that you will climb back upon your fence in an attempt to disavow anything Sleepy Joe does after taking charge
Yes, I'm specifically voting against Trump, which means I have to vote for Biden. Otherwise I'd much rather vote third party.

And you go back to the "fence sitting" lie. If you can't back up your words, maybe you should try honesty in the future.
 
Yes, I'm specifically voting against Trump, which means I have to vote for Biden. Otherwise I'd much rather vote third party.

And you go back to the "fence sitting" lie. If you can't back up your words, maybe you should try honesty in the future.
Thats typical of fence sitters

you are FOR nothing but merely AGAINST trump
 
Yes, I'm specifically voting against Trump, which means I have to vote for Biden. Otherwise I'd much rather vote third party.

And you go back to the "fence sitting" lie. If you can't back up your words, maybe you should try honesty in the future.
Thats typical of fence sitters

you are FOR nothing but merely AGAINST trump
Why are you such a fence sitter?

What's wrong with you?
 
The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.


They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.
The populace has been indoctrinated for years that capitalism is unjust and the Founding Fathers were slave owners, thus the country and Constitution needs to go and be replaced by socialism.

But the history of Marxism is never taught in terms of the death and destruction it has caused, murdering and oppressing millions more last century than any other ideology.

So with such vast ignorance, no wonder the term no longer scares them.
Not to mention the gross misapplication of capitalism by the ignorant Right, which has played completely into everything the Left is doing.

That's led to the inequities and fraud that has turned so many people away from capitalism.

The REAL socialists should be sending the Right Thank You cards.
Could you provide an example of the "gross misapplication of capitalism?

What turns people away from capitalism is the constant lying about it by turds like you who don't even know what it is.
I will now only (try to) discuss this issue with Trumpsters if they have the formal training and/or formal education and/or sufficient financial designations to discuss it like an intelligent, informed adult.

If you'd like, you may provide yours for my consideration.

And sorry, "I heard it on Rush" does not qualify.



Thank you.

My education is in accounting/finance. I actually have the credentials, education, experience and maturity to discuss the subject.

I get so disgusted with stupid people who believe they know all there is to know about economics. They don't. In fact they make total fools of themselves when they actually try.

They have no clue what the real meaning of socialism or communism is. They actually believe they're social systems. The reality is that they are economic systems and they aren't anything close to how they define it.

They also don't know the results of their unregulated capitalism. All unregulated capitalism does is cause monopolies and destroys economies. Which is why the constitution gives the government the power to regulate commerce.

There is no such thing as free markets. Even with unregulated capitalism because the larger companies destroy any competition. Which destroys innovation and stifles economic growth.

You are wasting your time with these uneducated and ill informed people.
 
The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.


They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.
The populace has been indoctrinated for years that capitalism is unjust and the Founding Fathers were slave owners, thus the country and Constitution needs to go and be replaced by socialism.

But the history of Marxism is never taught in terms of the death and destruction it has caused, murdering and oppressing millions more last century than any other ideology.

So with such vast ignorance, no wonder the term no longer scares them.
Not to mention the gross misapplication of capitalism by the ignorant Right, which has played completely into everything the Left is doing.

That's led to the inequities and fraud that has turned so many people away from capitalism.

The REAL socialists should be sending the Right Thank You cards.
Could you provide an example of the "gross misapplication of capitalism?

What turns people away from capitalism is the constant lying about it by turds like you who don't even know what it is.
I will now only (try to) discuss this issue with Trumpsters if they have the formal training and/or formal education and/or sufficient financial designations to discuss it like an intelligent, informed adult.

If you'd like, you may provide yours for my consideration.

And sorry, "I heard it on Rush" does not qualify.



Thank you.

My education is in accounting/finance. I actually have the credentials, education, experience and maturity to discuss the subject.

I get so disgusted with stupid people who believe they know all there is to know about economics. They don't. In fact they make total fools of themselves when they actually try.

They have no clue what the real meaning of socialism or communism is. They actually believe they're social systems. The reality is that they are economic systems and they aren't anything close to how they define it.

They also don't know the results of their unregulated capitalism. All unregulated capitalism does is cause monopolies and destroys economies. Which is why the constitution gives the government the power to regulate commerce.

There is no such thing as free markets. Even with unregulated capitalism because the larger companies destroy any competition. Which destroys innovation and stifles economic growth.

You are wasting your time with these uneducated and ill informed people.
Thank YOU.

I played the game here for a long time, trying to communicate with them on this topic. What I learned as that (a) they're terribly mal-informed on the topic, and (b) they have absolutely no curiosity to search out facts, even though they're sitting on the internet. They believe what they're told, and that's enough for them.

And to your point, one of my biggest frustrations is that you can't approach an issue this complicated with a shallow, binary worldview. They don't understand that regulations and controls exist on a continuum. And, despite all evidence to the contrary, they have been convinced that being on the Right, or whatever the hell Trumpism is, they're somehow naturally more "educated" on the topic.

It recently hit me that it's depressing to discuss this topic with them. That's when I gave up.
 

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