The Socialism boogeyman

[Mac-7]

I can play the same game.

Meaning having run out of arguments now you just imitate and repeat

thats a signal of surrender

 

[Mac1958]

I can play the same game.

Meaning having run out of arguments now you just imitate and repeat

thats a signal of surrender

You make ignorant accusations and don't have the balls to back them up.

You're a coward, fence sitter.

 

[Mac-7]

I understand why you dont like being called a fence sitter

but you are

 

[Mac-7]

You make ignorant accusations and don't have the balls to back them up.

I have explained it pretty well based on your own words

you are not voting for biden based on anything positive and will abandon him after trump is gone

 

[Mac1958]

You make ignorant accusations and don't have the balls to back them up.

I have explained it pretty well based on your own words

you are not voting for biden based on anything positive and will abandon him after trump is gone

Another ignorant assumption.

This is all you know. Dismissed. You bore me.

 

[BothWings]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

I agree that political factions use scare tactics and misnomers...and I'm center-right or maybe libertarian. The people who are trying to oust Trump are not socialists at all. Theyre international globalist business people looking for a one world monopoly with supporting one world government. Theyve been in power for 30 years+ and Trump is rhe first to come along who threw a monkey wrench in their agenda...unless you count JFK...and we all know what happened to him. The only reason the word "socialism" is incorrectly used is because like socialism, the New World Order wants full central control. I really wish conservatives would stop biting at the socialism misnomer and realize that the New World Order is basically a globalist attempt to corporatize EVERYTHING...including government and schools. In the end it looks and even behaves very similar to socialism but its really about centralizing societal control for profit, not socialsm in the Soviet sense. Nobody in Russia or China was getting dirty stinking filthy scummy rich off of it. Different beast with similar outward appearance. In order to slaughter it people have to be able to make that distinction. Fortunately it seems many people DO realize the New World Order is not just somerhing from a book about conspiracy theories. Every president since Bush Sr through Obama spoke of the NWO with affection. All of them were lawyers or CIA officials. Pretty scary.

 

[Trickster]

They also don't know the results of their unregulated capitalism. All unregulated capitalism does is cause monopolies and destroys economies. Which is why the constitution gives the government the power to regulate commerce.

This is simply not true. Either you are not as knowledgable as you claim to be or you are blatantly and shamelessly lying.

Monopoly literally means single-power and the only single-power entity is the State. Monopolies cannot occur on a free market and has never occured on a free market anywhere because a monopoly requires the protection of the State to grant them the monopoly.

Customer preferences and market mechanisms make it impossible for monopolies to occur on the free market.

There is no such thing as free markets. Even with unregulated capitalism because the larger companies destroy any competition. Which destroys innovation and stifles economic growth.

Another falsehood. There are many cheap alternatives to bigger brands and new competitors enter all sectors all the time.

 

[Mac-7]

Dismissed. You bore me.

I understand

just leave your white flag at the door on your way out for the next trump hater to use

 

[Oddball]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

The populace has been indoctrinated for years that capitalism is unjust and the Founding Fathers were slave owners, thus the country and Constitution needs to go and be replaced by socialism.

But the history of Marxism is never taught in terms of the death and destruction it has caused, murdering and oppressing millions more last century than any other ideology.

So with such vast ignorance, no wonder the term no longer scares them.

Not to mention the gross misapplication of capitalism by the ignorant Right, which has played completely into everything the Left is doing.

That's led to the inequities and fraud that has turned so many people away from capitalism.

The REAL socialists should be sending the Right Thank You cards.

Could you provide an example of the "gross misapplication of capitalism?

What turns people away from capitalism is the constant lying about it by turds like you who don't even know what it is.

I will now only (try to) discuss this issue with Trumpsters if they have the formal training and/or formal education and/or sufficient financial designations to discuss it like an intelligent, informed adult.

If you'd like, you may provide yours for my consideration.

And sorry, "I heard it on Rush" does not qualify.

Thank you.

My education is in accounting/finance. I actually have the credentials, education, experience and maturity to discuss the subject.

I get so disgusted with stupid people who believe they know all there is to know about economics. They don't. In fact they make total fools of themselves when they actually try.

They have no clue what the real meaning of socialism or communism is. They actually believe they're social systems. The reality is that they are economic systems and they aren't anything close to how they define it.

They also don't know the results of their unregulated capitalism. All unregulated capitalism does is cause monopolies and destroys economies. Which is why the constitution gives the government the power to regulate commerce.

There is no such thing as free markets. Even with unregulated capitalism because the larger companies destroy any competition. Which destroys innovation and stifles economic growth.

You are wasting your time with these uneducated and ill informed people.

They also don't know the results of their unregulated capitalism. All unregulated capitalism does is cause monopolies and destroys economies. Which is why the constitution gives the government the power to regulate commerce.

There is no such thing as free markets. Even with unregulated capitalism because the larger companies destroy any competition. Which destroys innovation and stifles economic growth.

The irony of listening to someone arrogantly proclaim the superiority of their economic understanding, then turn around and regurgitate these tiresome blabbering points for the economic illiterate is staggering.


You are wasting your time with these uneducated and ill informed people.

 

[Mac-7]

The people who are trying to oust Trump are not socialists at all. Theyre international globalist business people looking for a one world monopoly with supporting one world government.

Well said and completely spot on

many of the rabid trump haters want what he wants but hate to give him credit or support

 

[Mac-7]

The irony of listening to someone arrogantly proclaim the superiority of their economic understanding, then turn around and regurgitate these tiresome blabbering points for the economic illiterate is staggering.

When someone informs you they know more than you do they usually know less

 

[Oddball]

They also don't know the results of their unregulated capitalism. All unregulated capitalism does is cause monopolies and destroys economies. Which is why the constitution gives the government the power to regulate commerce.

This is simply not true. Either you are not as knowledgable as you claim to be or you are blatantly and shamelessly lying.

Monopoly literally means single-power and the only single-power entity is the State. Monopolies cannot occur on a free market and has never occured on a free market anywhere because a monopoly requires the protection of the State to grant them the monopoly.

Customer preferences and market mechanisms make it impossible for monopolies to occur on the free market.

There is no such thing as free markets. Even with unregulated capitalism because the larger companies destroy any competition. Which destroys innovation and stifles economic growth.

Another falsehood. There are many cheap alternatives to bigger brands and new competitors enter all sectors all the time.

Dana learned nothing about real market economics....Just how to spit up the shopworn Keynesian pablum on cue, in order to get a passing grade.

 

[Trickster]

Dana learned nothing about real market economics....Just how to spit up the shopworn Keynesian pablum on cue, in order to get a passing grade.

As I pointed out in my previous post - The only actual Boogeyman as far as economics go is Capitalism. Democrats and Republicans alike slander free markets and demand regulations, CNN and FOX are both equally vicious in their criticisms of free trade, various experts and knowitalls with economic degrees (such as Dana) also slander it and the Average Joe starts shaking in fear when they see the word Capitalism.

"Socialism" is not a Boogeyman, it is an actual monster that both has- and still is existing in the world today; always with the same result. Yet people are not even afraid of openly advocating for- and/or identifying with Socialism. Capitalism, however, is a no-no; It is the real monster underneath the bed everyone wants Mama Government to look for when they can't fall asleep at night.

Economic illiteracy is one of the greater problems modern society faces.

 

[Oddball]

Dana learned nothing about real market economics....Just how to spit up the shopworn Keynesian pablum on cue, in order to get a passing grade.

As I pointed out in my previous post - The only actual Boogeyman as far as economics go is Capitalism. Democrats and Republicans alike slander free markets and demand regulations, CNN and FOX are both equally vicious in their criticisms of free trade, various experts and knowitalls with economic degrees (such as Dana) also slander it and the Average Joe starts shaking in fear when they see the word Capitalism.

"Socialism" is not a Boogeyman, it is an actual monster that both has- and still is existing in the world today; always with the same result. Yet people are not even afraid of openly advocating for- and/or identifying with Socialism. Capitalism, however, is a no-no; It is the real monster underneath the bed everyone wants Mama Government to look for when they can't fall asleep at night.

Economic illiteracy is one of the greater problems modern society faces.

It is the real monster underneath the bed everyone wants Mama Government to look for when they can't fall asleep at night.

The one monopoly that these Keynesian cargo cultists not only discount as being equally as ghastly as any other, but the one which they run to as some sort of savior of all society.

But, as you may or may not have heard, progs are the least self-aware people on the planet...Combine this with their world famous cocksure piety, and the concept of irony blows right by them.

 

[BothWings]

They also don't know the results of their unregulated capitalism. All unregulated capitalism does is cause monopolies and destroys economies. Which is why the constitution gives the government the power to regulate commerce.

This is simply not true. Either you are not as knowledgable as you claim to be or you are blatantly and shamelessly lying.

Monopoly literally means single-power and the only single-power entity is the State. Monopolies cannot occur on a free market and has never occured on a free market anywhere because a monopoly requires the protection of the State to grant them the monopoly.

Customer preferences and market mechanisms make it impossible for monopolies to occur on the free market.

There is no such thing as free markets. Even with unregulated capitalism because the larger companies destroy any competition. Which destroys innovation and stifles economic growth.

Another falsehood. There are many cheap alternatives to bigger brands and new competitors enter all sectors all the time.

Nearly all of them eventually get bought out or railroaded by the New World Order, either overtly or covertly.

 

[Dana7360]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

The populace has been indoctrinated for years that capitalism is unjust and the Founding Fathers were slave owners, thus the country and Constitution needs to go and be replaced by socialism.

But the history of Marxism is never taught in terms of the death and destruction it has caused, murdering and oppressing millions more last century than any other ideology.

So with such vast ignorance, no wonder the term no longer scares them.

Not to mention the gross misapplication of capitalism by the ignorant Right, which has played completely into everything the Left is doing.

That's led to the inequities and fraud that has turned so many people away from capitalism.

The REAL socialists should be sending the Right Thank You cards.

Could you provide an example of the "gross misapplication of capitalism?

What turns people away from capitalism is the constant lying about it by turds like you who don't even know what it is.

I will now only (try to) discuss this issue with Trumpsters if they have the formal training and/or formal education and/or sufficient financial designations to discuss it like an intelligent, informed adult.

If you'd like, you may provide yours for my consideration.

And sorry, "I heard it on Rush" does not qualify.

Thank you.

My education is in accounting/finance. I actually have the credentials, education, experience and maturity to discuss the subject.

I get so disgusted with stupid people who believe they know all there is to know about economics. They don't. In fact they make total fools of themselves when they actually try.

They have no clue what the real meaning of socialism or communism is. They actually believe they're social systems. The reality is that they are economic systems and they aren't anything close to how they define it.

They also don't know the results of their unregulated capitalism. All unregulated capitalism does is cause monopolies and destroys economies. Which is why the constitution gives the government the power to regulate commerce.

There is no such thing as free markets. Even with unregulated capitalism because the larger companies destroy any competition. Which destroys innovation and stifles economic growth.

You are wasting your time with these uneducated and ill informed people.

Thank YOU.

I played the game here for a long time, trying to communicate with them on this topic. What I learned as that (a) they're terribly mal-informed on the topic, and (b) they have absolutely no curiosity to search out facts, even though they're sitting on the internet. They believe what they're told, and that's enough for them.

And to your point, one of my biggest frustrations is that you can't approach an issue this complicated with a shallow, binary worldview. They don't understand that regulations and controls exist on a continuum. And, despite all evidence to the contrary, they have been convinced that being on the Right, or whatever the hell Trumpism is, they're somehow naturally more "educated" on the topic.

It recently hit me that it's depressing to discuss this topic with them. That's when I gave up.

You're welcome.

I tried in the 90s on the old AOL boards to educate these people on this subject. I actually know about it so thought that people would pay attention to someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

No.

Having an education, degree and working in the field since I was in high school in Jr. Achievement as treasurer of several small businesses made absolutely no difference to those on the right.

Actual facts backed up with links make absolutely no difference. You can post fact after fact with link after link or video after video. It will make no difference. They won't read or watch it.

They have been brainwashed since limbaugh that anyone who doesn't agree with their views is a communist and their enemy. Sometimes I think they actually believe it but most of the time I see they use those words in a very lame attempt to silence anyone with a different view.

It's a total waste of time to try to communicate with them on any level. Which is why 99% of the time I just scroll right by their posts.

As for socialism and capitalism, America has been a hybrid of both systems for a very long time. Americans don't want the government to make the products we buy. We do want the government to make sure those products are safe and do actually what they claim. We don't want the government to decide who can go into business and what they can sell but we do want the government to make sure there's a level playing field for everyone so that capitalism doesn't cause monopolies that destroy competition, innovation and development.

Those on the far right and far left don't understand that this world isn't black and white. There is no one size fits all. They do understand that extremes don't allow for change. If you notice, extremists use extremes to prevent any responsible and moderate change.

 

[Trickster]

The one monopoly that these Keynesian cargo cultists not only discount as being equally as ghastly as any other, but the one which they run to as some sort of savior of all society.

Keynesians believe destruction creates wealth, so of course they more than welcome the government to throw stones at the windows.

But, as you may or may not have heard, progs are the least self-aware people on the planet...Combine this with their world famous cocksure piety, and the concept of irony blows right by them.

The problem is that the, so called, "Right" is also anti-capitalist.

 

[Oddball]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

The populace has been indoctrinated for years that capitalism is unjust and the Founding Fathers were slave owners, thus the country and Constitution needs to go and be replaced by socialism.

But the history of Marxism is never taught in terms of the death and destruction it has caused, murdering and oppressing millions more last century than any other ideology.

So with such vast ignorance, no wonder the term no longer scares them.

Not to mention the gross misapplication of capitalism by the ignorant Right, which has played completely into everything the Left is doing.

That's led to the inequities and fraud that has turned so many people away from capitalism.

The REAL socialists should be sending the Right Thank You cards.

Could you provide an example of the "gross misapplication of capitalism?

What turns people away from capitalism is the constant lying about it by turds like you who don't even know what it is.

I will now only (try to) discuss this issue with Trumpsters if they have the formal training and/or formal education and/or sufficient financial designations to discuss it like an intelligent, informed adult.

If you'd like, you may provide yours for my consideration.

And sorry, "I heard it on Rush" does not qualify.

Thank you.

My education is in accounting/finance. I actually have the credentials, education, experience and maturity to discuss the subject.

I get so disgusted with stupid people who believe they know all there is to know about economics. They don't. In fact they make total fools of themselves when they actually try.

They have no clue what the real meaning of socialism or communism is. They actually believe they're social systems. The reality is that they are economic systems and they aren't anything close to how they define it.

They also don't know the results of their unregulated capitalism. All unregulated capitalism does is cause monopolies and destroys economies. Which is why the constitution gives the government the power to regulate commerce.

There is no such thing as free markets. Even with unregulated capitalism because the larger companies destroy any competition. Which destroys innovation and stifles economic growth.

You are wasting your time with these uneducated and ill informed people.

Thank YOU.

I played the game here for a long time, trying to communicate with them on this topic. What I learned as that (a) they're terribly mal-informed on the topic, and (b) they have absolutely no curiosity to search out facts, even though they're sitting on the internet. They believe what they're told, and that's enough for them.

And to your point, one of my biggest frustrations is that you can't approach an issue this complicated with a shallow, binary worldview. They don't understand that regulations and controls exist on a continuum. And, despite all evidence to the contrary, they have been convinced that being on the Right, or whatever the hell Trumpism is, they're somehow naturally more "educated" on the topic.

It recently hit me that it's depressing to discuss this topic with them. That's when I gave up.

You're welcome.

I tried in the 90s on the old AOL boards to educate these people on this subject. I actually know about it so thought that people would pay attention to someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

No.

Having an education, degree and working in the field since I was in high school in Jr. Achievement as treasurer of several small businesses made absolutely no difference to those on the right.

Actual facts backed up with links make absolutely no difference. You can post fact after fact with link after link or video after video. It will make no difference. They won't read or watch it.

They have been brainwashed since limbaugh that anyone who doesn't agree with their views is a communist and their enemy. Sometimes I think they actually believe it but most of the time I see they use those words in a very lame attempt to silence anyone with a different view.

It's a total waste of time to try to communicate with them on any level. Which is why 99% of the time I just scroll right by their posts.

As for socialism and capitalism, America has been a hybrid of both systems for a very long time. Americans don't want the government to make the products we buy. We do want the government to make sure those products are safe and do actually what they claim. We don't want the government to decide who can go into business and what they can sell but we do want the government to make sure there's a level playing field for everyone so that capitalism doesn't cause monopolies that destroy competition, innovation and development.

Those on the far right and far left don't understand that this world isn't black and white. There is no one size fits all. They do understand that extremes don't allow for change. If you notice, extremists use extremes to prevent any responsible and moderate change.

What you know about real market economics couldn't fill out the space on a matchbook.

Just shut your fucking arrogant and unprepossessing mouth and and quit embarrassing yourself.

 

[Billy000]

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

What do you expect socislism to deliver to you that cant be gained by education and hard work?

See, you don’t even understand what the word means. It’s a very broad term. The TYPE of socialism advocated in the US is simply trying to make a more egalitarian society. It’s about minimizing poverty and giving a safety net to those who need it. This TYPE of socialism has nothing to do with abolishing capitalism. It serves as a counter balance to the rising income disparity between the rich and middle class.

 

[Oddball]

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

What do you expect socislism to deliver to you that cant be gained by education and hard work?

See, you don’t even understand what the word means. It’s a very broad term. The TYPE of socialism advocated in the US is simply trying to make a more egalitarian society. It’s about minimizing poverty and giving a safety net to those who need it. This TYPE of socialism has nothing to do with abolishing capitalism. It serves as a counter balance to the rising income disparity between the rich and middle class.