The Socialism boogeyman

[Billy000]

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

What do you expect socislism to deliver to you that cant be gained by education and hard work?

See, you don’t even understand what the word means. It’s a very broad term. The TYPE of socialism advocated in the US is simply trying to make a more egalitarian society. It’s about minimizing poverty and giving a safety net to those who need it. This TYPE of socialism has nothing to do with abolishing capitalism. It serves as a counter balance to the rising income disparity between the rich and middle class.

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Well sorry you’re too stupid to understand the basic nuance of the subject.

 

[Oddball]

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

What do you expect socislism to deliver to you that cant be gained by education and hard work?

See, you don’t even understand what the word means. It’s a very broad term. The TYPE of socialism advocated in the US is simply trying to make a more egalitarian society. It’s about minimizing poverty and giving a safety net to those who need it. This TYPE of socialism has nothing to do with abolishing capitalism. It serves as a counter balance to the rising income disparity between the rich and middle class.

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Well sorry you’re too stupid to understand the basic nuance of the subject.

Sorry you're so stupid to believe that you're actually smart.

 

[Billy000]

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

What do you expect socislism to deliver to you that cant be gained by education and hard work?

See, you don’t even understand what the word means. It’s a very broad term. The TYPE of socialism advocated in the US is simply trying to make a more egalitarian society. It’s about minimizing poverty and giving a safety net to those who need it. This TYPE of socialism has nothing to do with abolishing capitalism. It serves as a counter balance to the rising income disparity between the rich and middle class.

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Well sorry you’re too stupid to understand the basic nuance of the subject.

Sorry you're so stupid to believe that you're actually smart.

Okay. How about this? You explain WHY social democratic principles are no different from any type of socialism. That shouldn’t be hard to do right? You think all socialism is the same, right?

 

[Mac1958]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

The populace has been indoctrinated for years that capitalism is unjust and the Founding Fathers were slave owners, thus the country and Constitution needs to go and be replaced by socialism.

But the history of Marxism is never taught in terms of the death and destruction it has caused, murdering and oppressing millions more last century than any other ideology.

So with such vast ignorance, no wonder the term no longer scares them.

Not to mention the gross misapplication of capitalism by the ignorant Right, which has played completely into everything the Left is doing.

That's led to the inequities and fraud that has turned so many people away from capitalism.

The REAL socialists should be sending the Right Thank You cards.

Could you provide an example of the "gross misapplication of capitalism?

What turns people away from capitalism is the constant lying about it by turds like you who don't even know what it is.

I will now only (try to) discuss this issue with Trumpsters if they have the formal training and/or formal education and/or sufficient financial designations to discuss it like an intelligent, informed adult.

If you'd like, you may provide yours for my consideration.

And sorry, "I heard it on Rush" does not qualify.

Thank you.

My education is in accounting/finance. I actually have the credentials, education, experience and maturity to discuss the subject.

I get so disgusted with stupid people who believe they know all there is to know about economics. They don't. In fact they make total fools of themselves when they actually try.

They have no clue what the real meaning of socialism or communism is. They actually believe they're social systems. The reality is that they are economic systems and they aren't anything close to how they define it.

They also don't know the results of their unregulated capitalism. All unregulated capitalism does is cause monopolies and destroys economies. Which is why the constitution gives the government the power to regulate commerce.

There is no such thing as free markets. Even with unregulated capitalism because the larger companies destroy any competition. Which destroys innovation and stifles economic growth.

You are wasting your time with these uneducated and ill informed people.

Thank YOU.

I played the game here for a long time, trying to communicate with them on this topic. What I learned as that (a) they're terribly mal-informed on the topic, and (b) they have absolutely no curiosity to search out facts, even though they're sitting on the internet. They believe what they're told, and that's enough for them.

And to your point, one of my biggest frustrations is that you can't approach an issue this complicated with a shallow, binary worldview. They don't understand that regulations and controls exist on a continuum. And, despite all evidence to the contrary, they have been convinced that being on the Right, or whatever the hell Trumpism is, they're somehow naturally more "educated" on the topic.

It recently hit me that it's depressing to discuss this topic with them. That's when I gave up.

You're welcome.

I tried in the 90s on the old AOL boards to educate these people on this subject. I actually know about it so thought that people would pay attention to someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

No.

Having an education, degree and working in the field since I was in high school in Jr. Achievement as treasurer of several small businesses made absolutely no difference to those on the right.

Actual facts backed up with links make absolutely no difference. You can post fact after fact with link after link or video after video. It will make no difference. They won't read or watch it.

They have been brainwashed since limbaugh that anyone who doesn't agree with their views is a communist and their enemy. Sometimes I think they actually believe it but most of the time I see they use those words in a very lame attempt to silence anyone with a different view.

It's a total waste of time to try to communicate with them on any level. Which is why 99% of the time I just scroll right by their posts.

As for socialism and capitalism, America has been a hybrid of both systems for a very long time. Americans don't want the government to make the products we buy. We do want the government to make sure those products are safe and do actually what they claim. We don't want the government to decide who can go into business and what they can sell but we do want the government to make sure there's a level playing field for everyone so that capitalism doesn't cause monopolies that destroy competition, innovation and development.

Those on the far right and far left don't understand that this world isn't black and white. There is no one size fits all. They do understand that extremes don't allow for change. If you notice, extremists use extremes to prevent any responsible and moderate change.

The wings are stuck in binary thinking patterns. I changed my mind, maybe a year or so ago, about them. I used to think that anyone could drop the tribalism, open their minds and engage in honest, constructive conversation. I no longer think that way. I think that the nutters on the ends simply lack the capacity for such conversation, and that the rest of us will have to work around them.

And I agree that Limbaugh was the genesis of this alternate reality. I often wonder if he regrets what he has created - an entire universe that informs and manipulates the thought processes of millions, that controls the "facts" and "information" that they consume, and even motivates them to ignore and dismiss all contrary information as "fake news".

Since I live and breathe (and love) finance & markets & economics, this arrogant, willful ignorance is too much for me. They've worn me out.

 

[BothWings]

Dana learned nothing about real market economics....Just how to spit up the shopworn Keynesian pablum on cue, in order to get a passing grade.

As I pointed out in my previous post - The only actual Boogeyman as far as economics go is Capitalism. Democrats and Republicans alike slander free markets and demand regulations, CNN and FOX are both equally vicious in their criticisms of free trade, various experts and knowitalls with economic degrees (such as Dana) also slander it and the Average Joe starts shaking in fear when they see the word Capitalism.

"Socialism" is not a Boogeyman, it is an actual monster that both has- and still is existing in the world today; always with the same result. Yet people are not even afraid of openly advocating for- and/or identifying with Socialism. Capitalism, however, is a no-no; It is the real monster underneath the bed everyone wants Mama Government to look for when they can't fall asleep at night.

Economic illiteracy is one of the greater problems modern society faces.

I never saw the word "Boogeyman" and "monster" in any neutral textbook about economics. Maybe we should consult a book about folklore on that.

 

[Oddball]

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

What do you expect socislism to deliver to you that cant be gained by education and hard work?

See, you don’t even understand what the word means. It’s a very broad term. The TYPE of socialism advocated in the US is simply trying to make a more egalitarian society. It’s about minimizing poverty and giving a safety net to those who need it. This TYPE of socialism has nothing to do with abolishing capitalism. It serves as a counter balance to the rising income disparity between the rich and middle class.

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Well sorry you’re too stupid to understand the basic nuance of the subject.

Sorry you're so stupid to believe that you're actually smart.

Okay. How about this? You explain WHY social democratic principles are no different from any type of socialism. That shouldn’t be hard to do right? You think all socialism is the same, right?

Socialism, properly defined, is the State ownership and operation of the means of production.....Even the prime minister of "democratic socialist" Denmark told your boi Bernie to shut his fucking yap about them, because they're a market based economy.

You seriously haven't the first clue of what you're blabbering about.

 

[Oddball]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

The populace has been indoctrinated for years that capitalism is unjust and the Founding Fathers were slave owners, thus the country and Constitution needs to go and be replaced by socialism.

But the history of Marxism is never taught in terms of the death and destruction it has caused, murdering and oppressing millions more last century than any other ideology.

So with such vast ignorance, no wonder the term no longer scares them.

Not to mention the gross misapplication of capitalism by the ignorant Right, which has played completely into everything the Left is doing.

That's led to the inequities and fraud that has turned so many people away from capitalism.

The REAL socialists should be sending the Right Thank You cards.

Could you provide an example of the "gross misapplication of capitalism?

What turns people away from capitalism is the constant lying about it by turds like you who don't even know what it is.

I will now only (try to) discuss this issue with Trumpsters if they have the formal training and/or formal education and/or sufficient financial designations to discuss it like an intelligent, informed adult.

If you'd like, you may provide yours for my consideration.

And sorry, "I heard it on Rush" does not qualify.

Thank you.

My education is in accounting/finance. I actually have the credentials, education, experience and maturity to discuss the subject.

I get so disgusted with stupid people who believe they know all there is to know about economics. They don't. In fact they make total fools of themselves when they actually try.

They have no clue what the real meaning of socialism or communism is. They actually believe they're social systems. The reality is that they are economic systems and they aren't anything close to how they define it.

They also don't know the results of their unregulated capitalism. All unregulated capitalism does is cause monopolies and destroys economies. Which is why the constitution gives the government the power to regulate commerce.

There is no such thing as free markets. Even with unregulated capitalism because the larger companies destroy any competition. Which destroys innovation and stifles economic growth.

You are wasting your time with these uneducated and ill informed people.

Thank YOU.

I played the game here for a long time, trying to communicate with them on this topic. What I learned as that (a) they're terribly mal-informed on the topic, and (b) they have absolutely no curiosity to search out facts, even though they're sitting on the internet. They believe what they're told, and that's enough for them.

And to your point, one of my biggest frustrations is that you can't approach an issue this complicated with a shallow, binary worldview. They don't understand that regulations and controls exist on a continuum. And, despite all evidence to the contrary, they have been convinced that being on the Right, or whatever the hell Trumpism is, they're somehow naturally more "educated" on the topic.

It recently hit me that it's depressing to discuss this topic with them. That's when I gave up.

You're welcome.

I tried in the 90s on the old AOL boards to educate these people on this subject. I actually know about it so thought that people would pay attention to someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

No.

Having an education, degree and working in the field since I was in high school in Jr. Achievement as treasurer of several small businesses made absolutely no difference to those on the right.

Actual facts backed up with links make absolutely no difference. You can post fact after fact with link after link or video after video. It will make no difference. They won't read or watch it.

They have been brainwashed since limbaugh that anyone who doesn't agree with their views is a communist and their enemy. Sometimes I think they actually believe it but most of the time I see they use those words in a very lame attempt to silence anyone with a different view.

It's a total waste of time to try to communicate with them on any level. Which is why 99% of the time I just scroll right by their posts.

As for socialism and capitalism, America has been a hybrid of both systems for a very long time. Americans don't want the government to make the products we buy. We do want the government to make sure those products are safe and do actually what they claim. We don't want the government to decide who can go into business and what they can sell but we do want the government to make sure there's a level playing field for everyone so that capitalism doesn't cause monopolies that destroy competition, innovation and development.

Those on the far right and far left don't understand that this world isn't black and white. There is no one size fits all. They do understand that extremes don't allow for change. If you notice, extremists use extremes to prevent any responsible and moderate change.

The wings are stuck in binary thinking patterns. I changed my mind, maybe a year or so ago, about them. I used to think that anyone could drop the tribalism, open their minds and engage in honest, constructive conversation. I no longer think that way. I think that the nutters on the ends simply lack the capacity for such conversation, and that the rest of us will have to work around them.

And I agree that Limbaugh was the genesis of this alternate reality. I often wonder if he regrets what he has created - an entire universe that informs and manipulates the thought processes of millions, that controls the "facts" and "information" that they consume, and even motivates them to ignore and dismiss all contrary information as "fake news".

Since I live and breathe (and love) finance & markets & economics, this arrogant, willful ignorance is too much for me. They've worn me out.

How 'bout you two get a fucking room?

 

[Mac1958]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

The populace has been indoctrinated for years that capitalism is unjust and the Founding Fathers were slave owners, thus the country and Constitution needs to go and be replaced by socialism.

But the history of Marxism is never taught in terms of the death and destruction it has caused, murdering and oppressing millions more last century than any other ideology.

So with such vast ignorance, no wonder the term no longer scares them.

Not to mention the gross misapplication of capitalism by the ignorant Right, which has played completely into everything the Left is doing.

That's led to the inequities and fraud that has turned so many people away from capitalism.

The REAL socialists should be sending the Right Thank You cards.

Could you provide an example of the "gross misapplication of capitalism?

What turns people away from capitalism is the constant lying about it by turds like you who don't even know what it is.

I will now only (try to) discuss this issue with Trumpsters if they have the formal training and/or formal education and/or sufficient financial designations to discuss it like an intelligent, informed adult.

If you'd like, you may provide yours for my consideration.

And sorry, "I heard it on Rush" does not qualify.

Thank you.

My education is in accounting/finance. I actually have the credentials, education, experience and maturity to discuss the subject.

I get so disgusted with stupid people who believe they know all there is to know about economics. They don't. In fact they make total fools of themselves when they actually try.

They have no clue what the real meaning of socialism or communism is. They actually believe they're social systems. The reality is that they are economic systems and they aren't anything close to how they define it.

They also don't know the results of their unregulated capitalism. All unregulated capitalism does is cause monopolies and destroys economies. Which is why the constitution gives the government the power to regulate commerce.

There is no such thing as free markets. Even with unregulated capitalism because the larger companies destroy any competition. Which destroys innovation and stifles economic growth.

You are wasting your time with these uneducated and ill informed people.

Thank YOU.

I played the game here for a long time, trying to communicate with them on this topic. What I learned as that (a) they're terribly mal-informed on the topic, and (b) they have absolutely no curiosity to search out facts, even though they're sitting on the internet. They believe what they're told, and that's enough for them.

And to your point, one of my biggest frustrations is that you can't approach an issue this complicated with a shallow, binary worldview. They don't understand that regulations and controls exist on a continuum. And, despite all evidence to the contrary, they have been convinced that being on the Right, or whatever the hell Trumpism is, they're somehow naturally more "educated" on the topic.

It recently hit me that it's depressing to discuss this topic with them. That's when I gave up.

You're welcome.

I tried in the 90s on the old AOL boards to educate these people on this subject. I actually know about it so thought that people would pay attention to someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

No.

Having an education, degree and working in the field since I was in high school in Jr. Achievement as treasurer of several small businesses made absolutely no difference to those on the right.

Actual facts backed up with links make absolutely no difference. You can post fact after fact with link after link or video after video. It will make no difference. They won't read or watch it.

They have been brainwashed since limbaugh that anyone who doesn't agree with their views is a communist and their enemy. Sometimes I think they actually believe it but most of the time I see they use those words in a very lame attempt to silence anyone with a different view.

It's a total waste of time to try to communicate with them on any level. Which is why 99% of the time I just scroll right by their posts.

As for socialism and capitalism, America has been a hybrid of both systems for a very long time. Americans don't want the government to make the products we buy. We do want the government to make sure those products are safe and do actually what they claim. We don't want the government to decide who can go into business and what they can sell but we do want the government to make sure there's a level playing field for everyone so that capitalism doesn't cause monopolies that destroy competition, innovation and development.

Those on the far right and far left don't understand that this world isn't black and white. There is no one size fits all. They do understand that extremes don't allow for change. If you notice, extremists use extremes to prevent any responsible and moderate change.

The wings are stuck in binary thinking patterns. I changed my mind, maybe a year or so ago, about them. I used to think that anyone could drop the tribalism, open their minds and engage in honest, constructive conversation. I no longer think that way. I think that the nutters on the ends simply lack the capacity for such conversation, and that the rest of us will have to work around them.

And I agree that Limbaugh was the genesis of this alternate reality. I often wonder if he regrets what he has created - an entire universe that informs and manipulates the thought processes of millions, that controls the "facts" and "information" that they consume, and even motivates them to ignore and dismiss all contrary information as "fake news".

Since I live and breathe (and love) finance & markets & economics, this arrogant, willful ignorance is too much for me. They've worn me out.

How 'bout you two get a fucking room?

 

[Oddball]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

The populace has been indoctrinated for years that capitalism is unjust and the Founding Fathers were slave owners, thus the country and Constitution needs to go and be replaced by socialism.

But the history of Marxism is never taught in terms of the death and destruction it has caused, murdering and oppressing millions more last century than any other ideology.

So with such vast ignorance, no wonder the term no longer scares them.

Not to mention the gross misapplication of capitalism by the ignorant Right, which has played completely into everything the Left is doing.

That's led to the inequities and fraud that has turned so many people away from capitalism.

The REAL socialists should be sending the Right Thank You cards.

Could you provide an example of the "gross misapplication of capitalism?

What turns people away from capitalism is the constant lying about it by turds like you who don't even know what it is.

I will now only (try to) discuss this issue with Trumpsters if they have the formal training and/or formal education and/or sufficient financial designations to discuss it like an intelligent, informed adult.

If you'd like, you may provide yours for my consideration.

And sorry, "I heard it on Rush" does not qualify.

Thank you.

My education is in accounting/finance. I actually have the credentials, education, experience and maturity to discuss the subject.

I get so disgusted with stupid people who believe they know all there is to know about economics. They don't. In fact they make total fools of themselves when they actually try.

They have no clue what the real meaning of socialism or communism is. They actually believe they're social systems. The reality is that they are economic systems and they aren't anything close to how they define it.

They also don't know the results of their unregulated capitalism. All unregulated capitalism does is cause monopolies and destroys economies. Which is why the constitution gives the government the power to regulate commerce.

There is no such thing as free markets. Even with unregulated capitalism because the larger companies destroy any competition. Which destroys innovation and stifles economic growth.

You are wasting your time with these uneducated and ill informed people.

Thank YOU.

I played the game here for a long time, trying to communicate with them on this topic. What I learned as that (a) they're terribly mal-informed on the topic, and (b) they have absolutely no curiosity to search out facts, even though they're sitting on the internet. They believe what they're told, and that's enough for them.

And to your point, one of my biggest frustrations is that you can't approach an issue this complicated with a shallow, binary worldview. They don't understand that regulations and controls exist on a continuum. And, despite all evidence to the contrary, they have been convinced that being on the Right, or whatever the hell Trumpism is, they're somehow naturally more "educated" on the topic.

It recently hit me that it's depressing to discuss this topic with them. That's when I gave up.

You're welcome.

I tried in the 90s on the old AOL boards to educate these people on this subject. I actually know about it so thought that people would pay attention to someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

No.

Having an education, degree and working in the field since I was in high school in Jr. Achievement as treasurer of several small businesses made absolutely no difference to those on the right.

Actual facts backed up with links make absolutely no difference. You can post fact after fact with link after link or video after video. It will make no difference. They won't read or watch it.

They have been brainwashed since limbaugh that anyone who doesn't agree with their views is a communist and their enemy. Sometimes I think they actually believe it but most of the time I see they use those words in a very lame attempt to silence anyone with a different view.

It's a total waste of time to try to communicate with them on any level. Which is why 99% of the time I just scroll right by their posts.

As for socialism and capitalism, America has been a hybrid of both systems for a very long time. Americans don't want the government to make the products we buy. We do want the government to make sure those products are safe and do actually what they claim. We don't want the government to decide who can go into business and what they can sell but we do want the government to make sure there's a level playing field for everyone so that capitalism doesn't cause monopolies that destroy competition, innovation and development.

Those on the far right and far left don't understand that this world isn't black and white. There is no one size fits all. They do understand that extremes don't allow for change. If you notice, extremists use extremes to prevent any responsible and moderate change.

The wings are stuck in binary thinking patterns. I changed my mind, maybe a year or so ago, about them. I used to think that anyone could drop the tribalism, open their minds and engage in honest, constructive conversation. I no longer think that way. I think that the nutters on the ends simply lack the capacity for such conversation, and that the rest of us will have to work around them.

And I agree that Limbaugh was the genesis of this alternate reality. I often wonder if he regrets what he has created - an entire universe that informs and manipulates the thought processes of millions, that controls the "facts" and "information" that they consume, and even motivates them to ignore and dismiss all contrary information as "fake news".

Since I live and breathe (and love) finance & markets & economics, this arrogant, willful ignorance is too much for me. They've worn me out.

How 'bout you two get a fucking room?

You two fucking Keynesian twirps are utterly nauseating in your pious ignorance.

 

[BothWings]

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

What do you expect socislism to deliver to you that cant be gained by education and hard work?

See, you don’t even understand what the word means. It’s a very broad term. The TYPE of socialism advocated in the US is simply trying to make a more egalitarian society. It’s about minimizing poverty and giving a safety net to those who need it. This TYPE of socialism has nothing to do with abolishing capitalism. It serves as a counter balance to the rising income disparity between the rich and middle class.

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Well sorry you’re too stupid to understand the basic nuance of the subject.

Sorry you're so stupid to believe that you're actually smart.

Okay. How about this? You explain WHY social democratic principles are no different from any type of socialism. That shouldn’t be hard to do right? You think all socialism is the same, right?

Socialism, properly defined, is the State ownership and operation of the means of production.....Even the prime minister of "democratic socialist" Denmark told your boi Bernie to shut his fucking yap about them, because they're a market based economy.

You seriously haven't the first clue of what you're blabbering about.

AND...Sweden and Denmark are differentiated, in spite of their Scnadinavian commonalities, by the fact that Sweden is a land of HUGE corporations while Denmark is a land of smaller companies. Its funny how the internet philosophers of Cyber City like to box them together. Austria and Germany have a similar contrast.

 

[Billy000]

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

What do you expect socislism to deliver to you that cant be gained by education and hard work?

See, you don’t even understand what the word means. It’s a very broad term. The TYPE of socialism advocated in the US is simply trying to make a more egalitarian society. It’s about minimizing poverty and giving a safety net to those who need it. This TYPE of socialism has nothing to do with abolishing capitalism. It serves as a counter balance to the rising income disparity between the rich and middle class.

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Well sorry you’re too stupid to understand the basic nuance of the subject.

Sorry you're so stupid to believe that you're actually smart.

Okay. How about this? You explain WHY social democratic principles are no different from any type of socialism. That shouldn’t be hard to do right? You think all socialism is the same, right?

Socialism, properly defined, is the State ownership and operation of the means of production.....Even the prime minister of "democratic socialist" Denmark told your boi Bernie to shut his fucking yap about them, because they're a market based economy.

You seriously haven't the first clue of what you're blabbering about.

God you’re such a fucking idiot.

Here is what your dumbass is doing: you’re conveniently and deliberately leaving out the second part of that definition: “the exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” Did you think I wouldn’t notice?

This translates to mean that any program funded by tax payers is SOCIALISM. Any program that provides a safety net for the poor Is funded by tax payers. That program is an example of social democratic principles.

 

[Mac1958]

You two fucking Keynesian twirps are utterly nauseating in your pious ignorance.

Another example of how much information is kept from the Trumpsters.

Trump was a HYPER Keynesian before the virus it. Keynes is rolling over in his fucking GRAVE.

Arrogant ignorance. It's the Trumpian way.

 

[dblack]

You explain WHY social democratic principles are no different from any type of socialism. That shouldn’t be hard to do right? You think all socialism is the same, right?

Is this just fake news?

What is Democratic Socialism? - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few.

www.dsausa.org

 

[bripat9643]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

The populace has been indoctrinated for years that capitalism is unjust and the Founding Fathers were slave owners, thus the country and Constitution needs to go and be replaced by socialism.

But the history of Marxism is never taught in terms of the death and destruction it has caused, murdering and oppressing millions more last century than any other ideology.

So with such vast ignorance, no wonder the term no longer scares them.

Not to mention the gross misapplication of capitalism by the ignorant Right, which has played completely into everything the Left is doing.

That's led to the inequities and fraud that has turned so many people away from capitalism.

The REAL socialists should be sending the Right Thank You cards.

Could you provide an example of the "gross misapplication of capitalism?

What turns people away from capitalism is the constant lying about it by turds like you who don't even know what it is.

I will now only (try to) discuss this issue with Trumpsters if they have the formal training and/or formal education and/or sufficient financial designations to discuss it like an intelligent, informed adult.

If you'd like, you may provide yours for my consideration.

And sorry, "I heard it on Rush" does not qualify.

Thank you.

My education is in accounting/finance. I actually have the credentials, education, experience and maturity to discuss the subject.

I get so disgusted with stupid people who believe they know all there is to know about economics. They don't. In fact they make total fools of themselves when they actually try.

They have no clue what the real meaning of socialism or communism is. They actually believe they're social systems. The reality is that they are economic systems and they aren't anything close to how they define it.

They also don't know the results of their unregulated capitalism. All unregulated capitalism does is cause monopolies and destroys economies. Which is why the constitution gives the government the power to regulate commerce.

There is no such thing as free markets. Even with unregulated capitalism because the larger companies destroy any competition. Which destroys innovation and stifles economic growth.

You are wasting your time with these uneducated and ill informed people.

Thank YOU.

I played the game here for a long time, trying to communicate with them on this topic. What I learned as that (a) they're terribly mal-informed on the topic, and (b) they have absolutely no curiosity to search out facts, even though they're sitting on the internet. They believe what they're told, and that's enough for them.

And to your point, one of my biggest frustrations is that you can't approach an issue this complicated with a shallow, binary worldview. They don't understand that regulations and controls exist on a continuum. And, despite all evidence to the contrary, they have been convinced that being on the Right, or whatever the hell Trumpism is, they're somehow naturally more "educated" on the topic.

It recently hit me that it's depressing to discuss this topic with them. That's when I gave up.

What you did is weasel. That's what you always do.

 

[bripat9643]

You two fucking Keynesian twirps are utterly nauseating in your pious ignorance.

Another example of how much information is kept from the Trumpsters.

Trump was a HYPER Keynesian before the virus it. Keynes is rolling over in his fucking GRAVE.

Arrogant ignorance. It's the Trumpian way.

What is you justification for calling Trump a "HYPER Keynesian?"

 

[Mac1958]

You two fucking Keynesian twirps are utterly nauseating in your pious ignorance.

Another example of how much information is kept from the Trumpsters.

Trump was a HYPER Keynesian before the virus it. Keynes is rolling over in his fucking GRAVE.

Arrogant ignorance. It's the Trumpian way.

What is you justification for calling Trump a "HYPER Keynesian?"

You really don't know? Is that a serious question?

 

[Mac1958]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

The populace has been indoctrinated for years that capitalism is unjust and the Founding Fathers were slave owners, thus the country and Constitution needs to go and be replaced by socialism.

But the history of Marxism is never taught in terms of the death and destruction it has caused, murdering and oppressing millions more last century than any other ideology.

So with such vast ignorance, no wonder the term no longer scares them.

Not to mention the gross misapplication of capitalism by the ignorant Right, which has played completely into everything the Left is doing.

That's led to the inequities and fraud that has turned so many people away from capitalism.

The REAL socialists should be sending the Right Thank You cards.

Could you provide an example of the "gross misapplication of capitalism?

What turns people away from capitalism is the constant lying about it by turds like you who don't even know what it is.

I will now only (try to) discuss this issue with Trumpsters if they have the formal training and/or formal education and/or sufficient financial designations to discuss it like an intelligent, informed adult.

If you'd like, you may provide yours for my consideration.

And sorry, "I heard it on Rush" does not qualify.

Thank you.

My education is in accounting/finance. I actually have the credentials, education, experience and maturity to discuss the subject.

I get so disgusted with stupid people who believe they know all there is to know about economics. They don't. In fact they make total fools of themselves when they actually try.

They have no clue what the real meaning of socialism or communism is. They actually believe they're social systems. The reality is that they are economic systems and they aren't anything close to how they define it.

They also don't know the results of their unregulated capitalism. All unregulated capitalism does is cause monopolies and destroys economies. Which is why the constitution gives the government the power to regulate commerce.

There is no such thing as free markets. Even with unregulated capitalism because the larger companies destroy any competition. Which destroys innovation and stifles economic growth.

You are wasting your time with these uneducated and ill informed people.

Thank YOU.

I played the game here for a long time, trying to communicate with them on this topic. What I learned as that (a) they're terribly mal-informed on the topic, and (b) they have absolutely no curiosity to search out facts, even though they're sitting on the internet. They believe what they're told, and that's enough for them.

And to your point, one of my biggest frustrations is that you can't approach an issue this complicated with a shallow, binary worldview. They don't understand that regulations and controls exist on a continuum. And, despite all evidence to the contrary, they have been convinced that being on the Right, or whatever the hell Trumpism is, they're somehow naturally more "educated" on the topic.

It recently hit me that it's depressing to discuss this topic with them. That's when I gave up.

What you did is weasel. That's what you always do.

Then don't post to me.

 

[Mac-7]

The TYPE of socialism advocated in the US is simply trying to make a more egalitarian society.

I get that

but coming from a democrat party dominated by hate filled marxists promising Norway amounts to bait and switch

Norway did not get where it is by angry class warfare in the streets

but venezula and the old soviet union did

 

[Billy000]

The TYPE of socialism advocated in the US is simply trying to make a more egalitarian society.

I get that

but coming from a democrat party dominated by hate filled marxists promising Norway amounts to bait and switch

Norway did not get where it is by angry class warfare in the streets

but venezula and the old soviet union did

You guys harp on Norway more than the left does. Inspiration can be taken from Norway’s system, but no one is suggesting it would be modeled off of it.

You know what the US, Norway and Venezuela have in common? They all have private economies. Believe or not, there is private enterprise in Venezuela. It’s a massive oversimplification to suggest the concept of socialism is the reason why it is a failed state. It is a failed state because it has a poor government. You can’t cherry pick Venezuela and pretend it is some broad reflection of socialism itself.

 

[dblack]

You explain WHY social democratic principles are no different from any type of socialism. That shouldn’t be hard to do right? You think all socialism is the same, right?

Is this just fake news?

What is Democratic Socialism? - Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few.

www.dsausa.org

They're quite proud to call themselves socialists, and don't try to pretend otherwise. Why are you?