The Socialism boogeyman

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don’t get why you continue to think Venezuela is some broad representation of socialism. I already explained that Venezuela has a private economy.

Is their oil industry part of the private economy?

 

[Mac1958]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

They used "socialist" for a long time, and finally realized that, not only did it no longer scare anybody, but it probably backfired and made many people more interesting in hearing about socialism. Too funny.

They stuck on Marxism for a time, and now they're pretty much stuck on "commie" and communism, like modern-day Archie Bunkers.

I've also seen them say that the devil himself is involved, and I very much wonder where they take it from here. I mean, where the hell (no pun intended) can they go from here?

Of course, all they're doing is scaring themselves and each other, as usual, while the rest of us smile and roll our eyes.

Consider the benefits to the planet brought by Marxism-based governments just in the 20th Century.

Start with over 100,000,000 dead only by two leaders. You can add the rest in later.

Keep smiling. You won't win here.

But I'm fully against Marxism. I'm a happy capitalist .

Keep trying. You won't win here.

What distinction do you draw between Marxism and socialism?

As for BLM, they claim to be Marxist but seem to support everything that is socialist.

I don't give a shit.

I'm against them both.

Well if you are not willing to explore what these terms mean, how can you intelligently talk about them?

Or do you want to be like this socialist who first begins to talk as if she knows what the hell she is talking about, but when confronted with knowing what she is talking about, realizes she is an idiot.



I would have to say that the ignorance of those promoting socialism should not be surprising, because only an ignorant person or fool would.

Talk to them about it. Maybe they'll thank you for all your help.

Once again no intellectual interest in the debate you entered. I find this pattern perplexing.


Very odd

I made my point. I have no interest in wallowing in yours.

Too bad.

What point? That Trump haters are delusional?

It's on your screen.

 

[bripat9643]

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

What do you expect socislism to deliver to you that cant be gained by education and hard work?

See, you don’t even understand what the word means. It’s a very broad term. The TYPE of socialism advocated in the US is simply trying to make a more egalitarian society. It’s about minimizing poverty and giving a safety net to those who need it. This TYPE of socialism has nothing to do with abolishing capitalism. It serves as a counter balance to the rising income disparity between the rich and middle class.

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Well sorry you’re too stupid to understand the basic nuance of the subject.

Sorry you're so stupid to believe that you're actually smart.

Okay. How about this? You explain WHY social democratic principles are no different from any type of socialism. That shouldn’t be hard to do right? You think all socialism is the same, right?

Socialism, properly defined, is the State ownership and operation of the means of production.....Even the prime minister of "democratic socialist" Denmark told your boi Bernie to shut his fucking yap about them, because they're a market based economy.

You seriously haven't the first clue of what you're blabbering about.

God you’re such a fucking idiot.

Here is what your dumbass is doing: you’re conveniently and deliberately leaving out the second part of that definition: “the exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” Did you think I wouldn’t notice?

This translates to mean that any program funded by tax payers is SOCIALISM. Any program that provides a safety net for the poor Is funded by tax payers. That program is an example of social democratic principles.

So how does so-called "social democracy" differ from the welfare state? How is the US not a "social democracy?"

Your definition is meant to obscure the facts, not clarify them. It's demagoguery.

 

[Billy000]

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

What do you expect socislism to deliver to you that cant be gained by education and hard work?

See, you don’t even understand what the word means. It’s a very broad term. The TYPE of socialism advocated in the US is simply trying to make a more egalitarian society. It’s about minimizing poverty and giving a safety net to those who need it. This TYPE of socialism has nothing to do with abolishing capitalism. It serves as a counter balance to the rising income disparity between the rich and middle class.

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Well sorry you’re too stupid to understand the basic nuance of the subject.

Sorry you're so stupid to believe that you're actually smart.

Okay. How about this? You explain WHY social democratic principles are no different from any type of socialism. That shouldn’t be hard to do right? You think all socialism is the same, right?

Socialism, properly defined, is the State ownership and operation of the means of production.....Even the prime minister of "democratic socialist" Denmark told your boi Bernie to shut his fucking yap about them, because they're a market based economy.

You seriously haven't the first clue of what you're blabbering about.

God you’re such a fucking idiot.

Here is what your dumbass is doing: you’re conveniently and deliberately leaving out the second part of that definition: “the exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” Did you think I wouldn’t notice?

This translates to mean that any program funded by tax payers is SOCIALISM. Any program that provides a safety net for the poor Is funded by tax payers. That program is an example of social democratic principles.

So how does so-called "social democracy" differ from the welfare state? How is the US not a "social democracy?"

Your definition is meant to obscure the facts, not clarify them. It's demagoguery.

What is the “welfare state”? How do you define it? What does it entail?

 

[danielpalos]

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

What do you expect socislism to deliver to you that cant be gained by education and hard work?

See, you don’t even understand what the word means. It’s a very broad term. The TYPE of socialism advocated in the US is simply trying to make a more egalitarian society. It’s about minimizing poverty and giving a safety net to those who need it. This TYPE of socialism has nothing to do with abolishing capitalism. It serves as a counter balance to the rising income disparity between the rich and middle class.

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Well sorry you’re too stupid to understand the basic nuance of the subject.

Sorry you're so stupid to believe that you're actually smart.

Okay. How about this? You explain WHY social democratic principles are no different from any type of socialism. That shouldn’t be hard to do right? You think all socialism is the same, right?

Socialism, properly defined, is the State ownership and operation of the means of production.....Even the prime minister of "democratic socialist" Denmark told your boi Bernie to shut his fucking yap about them, because they're a market based economy.

You seriously haven't the first clue of what you're blabbering about.

God you’re such a fucking idiot.

Here is what your dumbass is doing: you’re conveniently and deliberately leaving out the second part of that definition: “the exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” Did you think I wouldn’t notice?

This translates to mean that any program funded by tax payers is SOCIALISM. Any program that provides a safety net for the poor Is funded by tax payers. That program is an example of social democratic principles.

So how does so-called "social democracy" differ from the welfare state? How is the US not a "social democracy?"

Your definition is meant to obscure the facts, not clarify them. It's demagoguery.

What is the “welfare state”? How do you define it? What does it entail?

We are supposed to have a welfare-State that promotes the general welfare at the expense of the general warfare. Right wingers believe the opposite.

 

[Ropey]

Even some Democrats hate leftists.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

What do you expect socislism to deliver to you that cant be gained by education and hard work?

See, you don’t even understand what the word means. It’s a very broad term. The TYPE of socialism advocated in the US is simply trying to make a more egalitarian society. It’s about minimizing poverty and giving a safety net to those who need it. This TYPE of socialism has nothing to do with abolishing capitalism. It serves as a counter balance to the rising income disparity between the rich and middle class.

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Well sorry you’re too stupid to understand the basic nuance of the subject.

Sorry you're so stupid to believe that you're actually smart.

Okay. How about this? You explain WHY social democratic principles are no different from any type of socialism. That shouldn’t be hard to do right? You think all socialism is the same, right?

Socialism, properly defined, is the State ownership and operation of the means of production.....Even the prime minister of "democratic socialist" Denmark told your boi Bernie to shut his fucking yap about them, because they're a market based economy.

You seriously haven't the first clue of what you're blabbering about.

God you’re such a fucking idiot.

Here is what your dumbass is doing: you’re conveniently and deliberately leaving out the second part of that definition: “the exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” Did you think I wouldn’t notice?

This translates to mean that any program funded by tax payers is SOCIALISM. Any program that provides a safety net for the poor Is funded by tax payers. That program is an example of social democratic principles.

So how does so-called "social democracy" differ from the welfare state? How is the US not a "social democracy?"

Your definition is meant to obscure the facts, not clarify them. It's demagoguery.

What is the “welfare state”? How do you define it? What does it entail?

We are supposed to have a welfare-State that promotes the general welfare at the expense of the general warfare. Right wingers believe the opposite.

"General Welfare" refers to that which benefits ALL citizens, not just politically-assigned illegally-protected groups.

 

[BothWings]

AND...Sweden and Denmark are differentiated, in spite of their Scnadinavian commonalities, by the fact that Sweden is a land of HUGE corporations while Denmark is a land of smaller companies.

Yes, both Sweden and Denmark were extremely free market oriented in the late 1800's and early 1900's which is when many of the larger companies were founded. Scandinavia also was not affected by the Great Depression However, it is important to note that most of the brands Sweden is famous for have left the country, neither IKEA nor Spotify have their HQ:s in Sweden anymore (I think H&M still is but they get special treatment by the government not to leave) and Denmark has a higher economic freedom index than the US. whereas Sweden has a lower corporate tax (or at least used to) than the US.

Those brands left the country because they were assimilated into larger global corporations. They may not have even left the country, they just operate under a different name. Not saying thats always true, but its truly a trend. Daimler, Chrysler, Benz, Ford-Mazda, Ford-Volvo, Ford-Landrover...have all contributed to corporate identity crises in the last few decades. Banks especially get involved inthat stuff. You never know who owns who anymore

It’s a massive oversimplification to suggest the concept of socialism is the reason why it is a failed state. It is a failed state because it has a poor government. You can’t cherry pick Venezuela and pretend it is some broad reflection of socialism itself.

"Cherry pick Venezuela"....

You shameless genocide apologetic.

How about we add Vietnam, North Korea, China, Soviet, East Germany, Biafra, Zimbabwe, Cuba, Cambodia, Ethiopia and Romania to the list?. The list goes on and on and the result has always been the same - poverty, starvation, misery and genocide.

Socialist methods are emplyed in Scandinavia and they are hardly failing although they have their quirks. Even USSR era Russia had many successes. They failed to be a world power before the Socialist regime pulled the struggling land up by its bootstraps. .The Russians didnt hate their system they hated Stalin and despot with a vendetta who followed in his footsteps. I have personally known Russians who still had great respect for their national way of life in 1991 and after. They were first in space, first transatlantic jetliner..and for 5 years the ONLY transatlantic jetliner, first woman in space, more women in political office, first automated probe to land on another planet, largest bomb ever, fastest cruise missile, and many other smaller examples too numerous to mention here...

It IS about the governors as much as it is abiut the form of government. The problem with socialism and/or communism is not that its inherantly evil so much as it requires people to perpetually volunteer for it, not be mandated. People have a right to choose what they will get out of it...not be told what they'll get out of it whether they like it or not. And if the system cant provide that then the individual MUST have the freedom to find it for himself while respecting the rights of others. When you think about it, our Constitution doesnt define HOW people should find happiness. It only asserts that they have a right to it along with EVERYONE else.

If the government promises me a meal but cant deliver...and I disobey fish&game regulations by shooting a deer without a license with an AK47 in order to feed my family, then that should be on the government that makes all the promises and restrictions...not me.

 

[BothWings]

Even some Democrats hate leftists. View attachment 388273

Cute joke...but Russians were leftists AND very hardworking peolle.

 

[Billy000]

Even some Democrats hate leftists. View attachment 388273

Well already I can tell you they are full of shit because you’d have to be a complete moron to think anyone who hates Trump is automatically unemployed.

 

[danielpalos]

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

What do you expect socislism to deliver to you that cant be gained by education and hard work?

See, you don’t even understand what the word means. It’s a very broad term. The TYPE of socialism advocated in the US is simply trying to make a more egalitarian society. It’s about minimizing poverty and giving a safety net to those who need it. This TYPE of socialism has nothing to do with abolishing capitalism. It serves as a counter balance to the rising income disparity between the rich and middle class.

View attachment 388170

Well sorry you’re too stupid to understand the basic nuance of the subject.

Sorry you're so stupid to believe that you're actually smart.

Okay. How about this? You explain WHY social democratic principles are no different from any type of socialism. That shouldn’t be hard to do right? You think all socialism is the same, right?

Socialism, properly defined, is the State ownership and operation of the means of production.....Even the prime minister of "democratic socialist" Denmark told your boi Bernie to shut his fucking yap about them, because they're a market based economy.

You seriously haven't the first clue of what you're blabbering about.

God you’re such a fucking idiot.

Here is what your dumbass is doing: you’re conveniently and deliberately leaving out the second part of that definition: “the exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” Did you think I wouldn’t notice?

This translates to mean that any program funded by tax payers is SOCIALISM. Any program that provides a safety net for the poor Is funded by tax payers. That program is an example of social democratic principles.

So how does so-called "social democracy" differ from the welfare state? How is the US not a "social democracy?"

Your definition is meant to obscure the facts, not clarify them. It's demagoguery.

What is the “welfare state”? How do you define it? What does it entail?

We are supposed to have a welfare-State that promotes the general welfare at the expense of the general warfare. Right wingers believe the opposite.

"General Welfare" refers to that which benefits ALL citizens, not just politically-assigned illegally-protected groups.

Tell that to the right wing. The left understand our Constitution better.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

 

[basquebromance]

i can't think of a single issue that unites Republicans more than opposition to socialism, just like for Democrats it's opposition to Trump

 

[danielpalos]

i can't think of a single issue that unites Republicans more than opposition to socialism, just like for Democrats it's opposition to Trump

Because the right wing is clueless and Causeless about socialism and merely use Capitalism as a talking point.

 

[Ropey]

Even some Democrats hate leftists. View attachment 388273

Well already I can tell you they are full of shit because you’d have to be a complete moron to think anyone who hates Trump is automatically unemployed.

Thank you. I rely upon you to tell me how morons think. Ofttimes daniel isn't around.

Even some Democrats hate leftists. View attachment 388273

Cute joke...but Russians were leftists AND very hardworking peolle.

You too.

 

[BothWings]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

First, the "corporate goodies" are largely things that the left-wing supports.

This is one of the annoying nonstop contradictions of socialists. They are quick to talk about corporate welfare... but then spin right around, and demand green energy grants. Well what is a green energy grant? It's corporate welfare.

I had a guy complaining about Amazon getting money from the government, so I looked it up from Amazons own SEC filings. Turns out the only significant money Amazon gets from government, is from their green energy solar farm.

You guys on the left, are the reason companies get money from the government. Not us.

Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

Because they are stupid, and mis-educated by lying professors in universities, that have never worked an honest day in their life.



Denmark's PM came to the US and said directly, Denmark is not socialist you idiots. They are free-market Capitalist based economy.

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Some of those Scandinavian countries rank higher on the economic freedom index, than the United States does. Denmark, Iceland, and Netherlands, all rank higher on free-market capitalism, than the US. They are not Socialist. You people have just lied to Millennials.

This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014.

Ridiculous. The poorest working people in our country, have a standard of living that men in Sudan could only dream of.

Capitalism hasn't failed at all. If Capitalism failed, and things are so bad, why are so many people from around the world trying to get into this country? Utterly incompetent claim.

You engage in crime, you engage in drugs, you refuse to work a stead job, and not screw around.... then you failed... not capitalism.

Capitalism becomes dictatorial when certain entities are able to assume control of the market and slam the door on others. What happens when the market is government? Bet y'all dint hear nuthin like that run by yous lately! But its been in the works for a long time. Capitalism gone bad is just as bad as socialism gone bad. Its devious MISMANAGEMENT at the expense of the common person be he rich or poor.

 

[dblack]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

First, the "corporate goodies" are largely things that the left-wing supports.

This is one of the annoying nonstop contradictions of socialists. They are quick to talk about corporate welfare... but then spin right around, and demand green energy grants. Well what is a green energy grant? It's corporate welfare.

I had a guy complaining about Amazon getting money from the government, so I looked it up from Amazons own SEC filings. Turns out the only significant money Amazon gets from government, is from their green energy solar farm.

You guys on the left, are the reason companies get money from the government. Not us.

Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

Because they are stupid, and mis-educated by lying professors in universities, that have never worked an honest day in their life.



Denmark's PM came to the US and said directly, Denmark is not socialist you idiots. They are free-market Capitalist based economy.

Index of Economic Freedom: All Country Scores | The Heritage Foundation

Explore the Index of Economic Freedom to gauge global impacts of liberty and free markets. Discover the powerful link between economic freedom and progress. The 30th edition, once again, illustrates key factors shaping our world's landscape. From @Heritage

www.heritage.org

Some of those Scandinavian countries rank higher on the economic freedom index, than the United States does. Denmark, Iceland, and Netherlands, all rank higher on free-market capitalism, than the US. They are not Socialist. You people have just lied to Millennials.

This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014.

Ridiculous. The poorest working people in our country, have a standard of living that men in Sudan could only dream of.

Capitalism hasn't failed at all. If Capitalism failed, and things are so bad, why are so many people from around the world trying to get into this country? Utterly incompetent claim.

You engage in crime, you engage in drugs, you refuse to work a stead job, and not screw around.... then you failed... not capitalism.

Capitalism becomes dictatorial when certain entities are able to assume control of the market and slam the door on others. What happens when the market is government? Bet y'all dint hear nuthin like that run by yous lately! But its been in the works for a long time. Capitalism gone bad is just as bad as socialism gone bad. Its devious MISMANAGEMENT at the expense of the common person be he rich or poor.

Socialism gone bad is considerably worse. When capitalism goes bad, corporations have too much power. But they don't have the power to throw you in jail if you piss them off. I don't want to live in a society where my boss, my doctor, my landlord and the police all work for the same "corporation". Socialism creates government that has far too much power.

 

[Andylusion]

This translates to mean that any program funded by tax payers is SOCIALISM. Any program that provides a safety net for the poor Is funded by tax payers. That program is an example of social democratic principles.

It is immoral to take the earnings of one individual and give the money to someone else

and that is what income redistribution in the name of social justice is all about

Those earnings you speak of partly come from corporate welfare. But either way, that isn’t even the solution I am referring to. I want to end corporate welfare and close tax loopholes rich people and corporations take advantage of. I want the minimum wage gradually raised for the years to come. I want to strengthen the middle class. I want childcare, healthcare, and higher education socialized. I want to cut defense spending to help pay for those programs.

None of that has anything to do with taking the money rich people currently have.

I want childcare, healthcare, and higher education socialized. I want to cut defense spending to help pay for those programs.

Won't work. Most Europe spends less than we do on national defense, and yet they don't have the money to fund all those things.

Who funds them, is the poor and middle class. This is why the lower and middle class pay nearly double the taxes that we do in the America. This is why they live in smaller houses, have fewer amenities, and smaller cars, and so on.

There is no way to provide all those things you listed, and not have the lower and middle class pay for them. Is it was possible, then why in the last 100 years, has not a single country on the face of this planet ever succeeded in having that work?

I want to end corporate welfare and close tax loopholes rich people and corporations take advantage of.

We on the right-wing have tried to implement a flat tax system, and it is been opposed by those of you on the left.

You either believe in having a flat tax, or don't. If you don't want a flat tax, then you are going to have a system of varying tax rates and dedications, and tax benefits.

There is no way to have no tax deductions and still have people pay different rates for taxes. So you either either support fairies and unicorns, or something that could actually happen, like flat tax.

Further, your side is generally the side that supports all the welfare and tax loopholes for the rich. Yes or no, do you support green energy? I don't know if you do, but Democrats do, and if you vote for them, you are voting for corporate welfare.

I've posted this many times, in 2010, I worked for a company that put a project on hold, because Obama's government give-away programs were going to pay for the project, that we were already funding... so we stopped funding it, and got the government money.

Not Republicans that did that. Democrats. You vote Democrat, you vote for Corporate welfare.

I want the minimum wage gradually raised for the years to come.

We're already doing that in a dozen states, and have many other with minimum wages higher still.

If that was a benefit, then why are not right now saying how great it's been for the workers? All you need to do to prove minimum wage is a failure, is look how much we've jacked it up, and all you do is say it needs to be higher. It *IS* higher right now. Why isn't it "strengthening the middle class" like you claim you want?

Oh that's right, because when you jack up the minimum wage, people lose their jobs. And losing your job, makes it harder to advance, and build the middle class.

 

[Andylusion]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

www.theguardian.com

First, the "corporate goodies" are largely things that the left-wing supports.

This is one of the annoying nonstop contradictions of socialists. They are quick to talk about corporate welfare... but then spin right around, and demand green energy grants. Well what is a green energy grant? It's corporate welfare.

I had a guy complaining about Amazon getting money from the government, so I looked it up from Amazons own SEC filings. Turns out the only significant money Amazon gets from government, is from their green energy solar farm.

You guys on the left, are the reason companies get money from the government. Not us.

Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

Because they are stupid, and mis-educated by lying professors in universities, that have never worked an honest day in their life.



Denmark's PM came to the US and said directly, Denmark is not socialist you idiots. They are free-market Capitalist based economy.

Index of Economic Freedom: All Country Scores | The Heritage Foundation

Explore the Index of Economic Freedom to gauge global impacts of liberty and free markets. Discover the powerful link between economic freedom and progress. The 30th edition, once again, illustrates key factors shaping our world's landscape. From @Heritage

www.heritage.org

Some of those Scandinavian countries rank higher on the economic freedom index, than the United States does. Denmark, Iceland, and Netherlands, all rank higher on free-market capitalism, than the US. They are not Socialist. You people have just lied to Millennials.

This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014.

Ridiculous. The poorest working people in our country, have a standard of living that men in Sudan could only dream of.

Capitalism hasn't failed at all. If Capitalism failed, and things are so bad, why are so many people from around the world trying to get into this country? Utterly incompetent claim.

You engage in crime, you engage in drugs, you refuse to work a stead job, and not screw around.... then you failed... not capitalism.

Capitalism becomes dictatorial when certain entities are able to assume control of the market and slam the door on others. What happens when the market is government? Bet y'all dint hear nuthin like that run by yous lately! But its been in the works for a long time. Capitalism gone bad is just as bad as socialism gone bad. Its devious MISMANAGEMENT at the expense of the common person be he rich or poor.

Well first of all, without the power of government, it isn't possible to slam the door on others. IF you eliminate all socialism.... Capitalism can't go bad. Not possible.

The only way it is even possible for capitalism to go bad, is by introducing socialism.

Prime example is health care. One of the reasons hospitals have no incentive to reduce cost, is because they can shut out competition. How do they shut out competition? The government has laws in place, called Certificate Of Need (CON) Laws. Nearly every state has such laws.

Say you personally, came up with an idea for a low-cost hospital. Now if you came up with other types of businesses without socialized laws, like CON Laws, you could just open the business. You just lease a building, and start operating.

Not with health care. With health care you have to prove your hospital is "needed", and you have to go to government, to get a Certificate of Need.

Well do government officials know anything about health care? No, they don't know jack. They know how to give speeches, and do fund raisers. So who do the government officials go to, to find out if we need another hospital? The existing hospitals, which then say "No, of course not". And you don't get your Certificate of Need, and you are not able to open a hospital.

Capitalism didn't do that. Capitalists can't stop you from opening a business. Government socialists stop you from opening a business.

And we've seen this hundreds of times. When Southwest Airlines wanted to expand, it wasn't Delta that prevented them, if was the FAA. When UPN in the 1990s wanted to start a competing broadcast channel, it was not CBS and NBC and ABC that stopped them, it was the FCC. When Adrenaclick and Auvi-Q wanted to offer a cheap alternative to the EpiPen, it wasn't EpiPen that stopped them, it was the FDA.

Government is the universal source of all monopolies in the market. It is impossible for Capitalism to go bad, without government socialists making it happen.

Its devious MISMANAGEMENT at the expense of the common person be he rich or poor.

That's impossible as well. If GM does a bad job.... I don't buy their product. If I don't buy their product, they can't get my money.

Under Capitalism, it is not possible for a company to mismanage something, and get my money.

Only under socialism, where Obama takes my tax money, using the power of government, and gives it to GM, can companies get money at the expense of the common person.

 

[Andylusion]

The right wing in America has used the term Socialism as a scare tactic for decades, but it's not working anymore. The American economy has functioned with a mixture of Socialism and Capitalism for many years i.e the hundreds of billions in free money the American government pays out to corporate America as subsidies, grants and other corporate welfare goodies are a pure form of Socialism. One could also make the case that tax credits, automatic rollover defence contracts and Federal Deposit insurance are also forms of Socialism. Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

America has cooled a little on capitalism. This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014. The middle class has shrunk. People are desperate for an alternative to an increasingly dismal status quo.

Sorry Republicans - Your Socialism boogeyman is not scaring people anymore.

Why are Americans warming to socialism? Because capitalism has failed them | Arwa Mahdawi

The S-word is something of a red herring – what many voters want is a change from the dismal status quo, writes Arwa Mahdawi

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First, the "corporate goodies" are largely things that the left-wing supports.

This is one of the annoying nonstop contradictions of socialists. They are quick to talk about corporate welfare... but then spin right around, and demand green energy grants. Well what is a green energy grant? It's corporate welfare.

I had a guy complaining about Amazon getting money from the government, so I looked it up from Amazons own SEC filings. Turns out the only significant money Amazon gets from government, is from their green energy solar farm.

You guys on the left, are the reason companies get money from the government. Not us.

Millennials now associate Socialism with Scandinavia, and not the old USSR.

Because they are stupid, and mis-educated by lying professors in universities, that have never worked an honest day in their life.



Denmark's PM came to the US and said directly, Denmark is not socialist you idiots. They are free-market Capitalist based economy.

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Some of those Scandinavian countries rank higher on the economic freedom index, than the United States does. Denmark, Iceland, and Netherlands, all rank higher on free-market capitalism, than the US. They are not Socialist. You people have just lied to Millennials.

This is hardly surprising when you consider how the American form of Capitalism has failed ordinary Americans. The poorest men in the US have the same life expectancy as men in Sudan. Maternal mortality more than doubled between 1991 and 2014.

Ridiculous. The poorest working people in our country, have a standard of living that men in Sudan could only dream of.

Capitalism hasn't failed at all. If Capitalism failed, and things are so bad, why are so many people from around the world trying to get into this country? Utterly incompetent claim.

You engage in crime, you engage in drugs, you refuse to work a stead job, and not screw around.... then you failed... not capitalism.

Capitalism becomes dictatorial when certain entities are able to assume control of the market and slam the door on others. What happens when the market is government? Bet y'all dint hear nuthin like that run by yous lately! But its been in the works for a long time. Capitalism gone bad is just as bad as socialism gone bad. Its devious MISMANAGEMENT at the expense of the common person be he rich or poor.

Socialism gone bad is considerably worse. When capitalism goes bad, corporations have too much power. But they don't have the power to throw you in jail if you piss them. I don't want to live in a society where my boss, my doctor, my landlord and the police all work for the same "corporation". Socialism creates government that has far too much power.

Exactly.

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Watch Chernobyl, the HBO series. $20 for all 5 episodes. The whole thing is a direct portrayal of what happens when you socialize everything.

The absolute last thing we want, is for government (which is already so trustworthy, to be the bosses and owners of all the companies. Chernobyl is a perfect example of how that ends up, with there being lies and cover ups throughout the entire system.

 

[danielpalos]

Raising the minimum wage is better for the working poor, especially since wages have not been keeping up with inflation. If the minimum wage had kept up with inflation it would be around eighteen dollars an hour now, according to some literature I have read.

And, true capitalism exists nowhere on Earth since the fall of Mogadishu. If Capitalism were so great, socialism would never have been any form of consideration.