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The U.S. and other nations have no definition of victory in Ukraine

WE don't need an exit strategy because we can stop whenever we want to since BIDEN has not put boots on the ground. But having seen Ukraine fight against all odds to retain independence .... I don't think cutting bait is the right thing to do.

Money isn't lives, but it's still commitment to the cause.

I don't think they can win without the west intervening directly, if that's the case all we are doing is prolonging the pain and making it more and more likely Russia takes the whole country.

People think Time is on Ukraine's side, and I respectfully disagree.
 
I have to agree, but I don't want to. I saw reasons why people would vote Trump in 16. I might have but I'd spent time in NYC when Trump was .... NOT HELPFUL to people living together

And then Jan 6, and I'd rather not vote at all than vote for Trump. There's a reason we take our kids to sporting events and teach them to man up (or woman up?) when we lose.
I never knew that this is what they've wanted all along. Reagan cut an authoritarian figure in general, but he turned out to be too decent.

They want an Orban, a Pinochet. They want everyone they hate to be beaten, and they want to be cared for.

They've showed us how weak they actually are.
 
They just want to BITCH.

I want to know how Ukraine wins if their position is getting all of Donbas and the Crimea back.

To me it would take 6-12 mechanized and armored divisions, fully equipped and trained to Western Standards, along with 5-10 motorized infantry divisions to hold said territories after they take them back.
 
Money isn't lives, but it's still commitment to the cause.

I don't think they can win without the west intervening directly, if that's the case all we are doing is prolonging the pain and making it more and more likely Russia takes the whole country.

People think Time is on Ukraine's side, and I respectfully disagree.
Putin will take the entire country if he can. There's no question. He's been quite clear.

The Russians aren't really feeling the pain, if you can believe what you read.
 
Putin will take the entire country if he can. There's no question. He's been quite clear.

The Russians aren't really feeling the pain, if you can believe what you read.

Right now there is nothing stopping him from dragging this out for years. The sanctions are tough enough as we have seen over the past two years.

The next step would be a blockade, and that's an act of war and hard to implement.
 
I never knew that this is what they've wanted all along. Reagan cut an authoritarian figure in general, but he turned out to be too decent.

They want an Orban, a Pinochet. They want everyone they hate to be beaten, and they want to be cared for.

They've showed us how weak they actually are.
Since Jan 6, imo Maga's given up being willing to compete in convincing a maj of America to join with what they want America to be.

Even before Trump, I really blamed McConnell. To be honest, I'm far more to the right than the left on econ issues. AOC and her squad of squaws make me sick. But you cannot run a constitutional republic if you intentionally aim towards only getting a minority vote.
 
The Russo–Ukrainian war continues. Although Russia’s President Vladimir Putin has indicated an interest in negotiation, the Biden administration has escalated the fighting, most recently by permitting the use of American weapons to strike targets within Russia. Europe’s vocal war party is pushing for even more.
The stakes were evident when Putin expanded military forces along Ukraine’s border in late 2021. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg admitted: “The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that.… So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.”
In March 2022, even Zelensky acknowledged as much: “Security guarantees and neutrality, the nuclear-free status of our state. We are ready to agree to it. This is the most important point. This was the first fundamental point for the Russian Federation, as far as I remember. And as far as I remember, they started a war because of this.” Yet the U.S. helped torpedo Russo–Ukrainian negotiations.The continuing war is an obvious disaster for the participants, most importantly Ukraine, since it provides most of the battlefield. The ongoing war is a human catastrophe. Simply giving more aid in hopes that something good will result is not a strategy. This approach ensures continued death and destruction and risks military escalation and expansion.
It's a stupid war because victory simply means stopping Russia from taking over their territory. It's a 100% defensive war on Ukraine's side.
 
Since Jan 6, imo Maga's given up being willing to compete in convincing a maj of America to join with what they want America to be.

Even before Trump, I really blamed McConnell. To be honest, I'm far more to the right than the left on econ issues. AOC and her squad of squaws make me sick. But you cannot run a constitutional republic if you intentionally aim towards only getting a minority vote.
I blame most of this mess on congressional Republicans, and then MAGA media. This has never been about the main guy. It's always about the enablers.
 
Right now there is nothing stopping him from dragging this out for years. The sanctions are tough enough as we have seen over the past two years.

The next step would be a blockade, and that's an act of war and hard to implement.
What's stopping Putin is that Ukraine, with western and improvised weapons, has ended Putin's claim to a 21st century air force and navy. Russians imploding navy is not a surprise. But their AF was a match for ours in Korea and Vietnam. Nato has the means, and maybe the will, to set up Ukraine west of the Dnieper as a no fly, and let Ukraine do as they will. Russians will feel that.
 
I blame most of this mess on congressional Republicans, and then MAGA media. This has never been about the main guy. It's always about the enablers.
Yeah. Bannon stumbled drunkenly into Trump, who was just after the money. But now Trump's ego is in it.

And you're right. Republicans in Iowa and Alabama can win state races on embryos as an issue.
 
What's stopping Putin is that Ukraine, with western and improvised weapons, has ended Putin's claim to a 21st century air force and navy. Russians imploding navy is not a surprise. But their AF was a match for ours in Korea and Vietnam. Nato has the means, and maybe the will, to set up Ukraine west of the Dnieper as a no fly, and let Ukraine do as they will. Russians will feel that.

And yet their troops still occupy much of the territory they are claiming as theirs, and Ukraine can't get rid of them.

You are saying NATO should directly engage with Russian aircraft?

This isn't Iraq where we can just impose our will without risk of consequence.
 
Putin will take the entire country if he can. There's no question. He's been quite clear.

The Russians aren't really feeling the pain, if you can believe what you read.
So what? We are near 200 billion dollars in now. We have nothing to show for the trillions and trillions of dollars printed up for the Prog socialist legislation the first two years of Joe.
 
Victory in Ukraine?

Engage Putin in an endless war that the Russian economy can’t support
Force Russia to expend military equipment and personnel that it can’t replace
Destabilize Putin to force a revolution or military coup
Destroy Ukraine and kill tens of thousands of innocents.
That will show Putin
 
Ukraine is fighting for their freedom
They have seen what Russian rule brings

As long as they are willing to fight, we must be willing to help them
Who exactly is willing to fight? Zelensky is just getting rich and more and more Ukrainians are trying to avoid being drafted. Has anyone asked the people what they want?
And why did Zelensky stop the elections? Is he afraid his people would vote for someone that will end the war?
Most of the territory the Russia occupies is pro Russia as well.
 
What is our exit strategy. Democrat's foreign policy is damaging to World Peace.

There is none.

This is a battle of attrition to allow for the funneling of funds to Ukraine for years to come. This is all about laundering money and shuffling of funds from America's point of view.
 

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