The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

[JBeukema]

Christians worship on Sun.

So Seventh Day Adventist aren't Christians?

Our Consitutions in Article I Sec.7 says,
If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law
Sunday is being excluded, and Sunday is the Christian's day of worship.
Saturday is the Jewish day of worship.

Only the very beginning of that run-on sentence exists in COTUS

 

[JBeukema]

the Constitution honors the Christian sabbath.

No, it honours the Universal Roman Sabbath. Nowhere did Jesus say 'Remember the Sabbath? Well, now it's on the first day of the week and not the last'

 

[JBeukema]

No, I'm saying Sunday is the Christian day of worship and Saturday is the Jewish day of worship.
Sunday worship- Christian tenet

Wrong again. The Sabbath is not a 'day of worship'. It is a day of rest. You are to worship, praise, and serve YHWH every day.

 

[JBeukema]

Sunday is a Christian tenet.

The worship of the sun is a Christian tenant?

Sun day
Moon day
tiu's day
wotan's day
thor's day
friday's day
saturn's day


Yes... clearly, the use of the common calendar and common societal practices at the time indicates this is a Christan (pagan?) nation founded on the principles of the religion by which the calendar and societal practices were inspired.

 

[JBeukema]

Hey stupid, no one has claimed this was a "Christian nation". The claim is that this nation was founded on Christian principles and more than enough evidence has been provided that proves the claim is accurate.

Then, it is VERY clear that we are founded on Christian principles because of the words "Sundays Excepted". Ipso Facto.

Couple that with historical documents and our FF's own words. Then yes it is very clear.

Which words are those?

US Treaty with Tripoli, 1796-1797

 

[bodecea]

with her and she admitted it.
She kept asking for absolute proof of Christian tenets in the constitution, and Sunday excluded was it.
End of debate.

They won't accept it, Peach. They have too many pre-conceived notions and have invested too heavily into going personal.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

the Constitution honors the Christian sabbath.

No, it honours the Universal Roman Sabbath. Nowhere did Jesus say 'Remember the Sabbath? Well, now it's on the first day of the week and not the last'

Jesus said,

"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath".

Scripture never mentions any Sabbath (Saturday) gatherings by believers for fellowship or worship. However, there are clear passages that mention the first day of the week. For instance, Acts 20:7 states that “on the first day of the week we came together to break bread.” In 1 Corinthians 16:2 Paul urges the Corinthian believers “on the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income.” Since Paul designates this offering as “service” in 2 Corinthians 9:12, this collection must have been linked with the Sunday worship service of the Christian assembly. Historically Sunday, not Saturday, was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century.

 

[JBeukema]

Oh, and before someone tries to dismiss those words as 'pandering'- they don't appear in the surviving Arabic version of the document- only in the version Americans were to read.

Maybe they were thinking of you, Rav

 

[peach174]

with her and she admitted it.
She kept asking for absolute proof of Christian tenets in the constitution, and Sunday excluded was it.
End of debate.

They won't accept it, Peach. They have too many pre-conceived notions and have invested too heavily into going personal.

Yep

 

[Uncensored2008]

They won't accept it, Peach. They have too many pre-conceived notions and have invested too heavily into going personal.

Looks like your fellow fascist, Jbeukema is the one who won't accept it...

 

[JBeukema]

"Now be it known, That I John Adams, President of the United States of America, having seen and considered the said Treaty do, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, accept, ratify, and confirm the same, and every clause and article thereof. And to the End that the said Treaty may be observed and performed with good Faith on the part of the United States, I have ordered the premises to be made public; And I do hereby enjoin and require all persons bearing office civil or military within the United States, and all other citizens or inhabitants thereof, faithfully to observe and fulfill the said Treaty and every clause and article thereof."​

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Then, it is VERY clear that we are founded on Christian principles because of the words "Sundays Excepted". Ipso Facto.

Couple that with historical documents and our FF's own words. Then yes it is very clear.

Which words are those?

US Treaty with Tripoli, 1796-1797

Go back and read the thread and you will find many instances.


Treaty of Paris 1783

In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.

It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the hearts of the most serene and most potent Prince George the Third, by the grace of God, king of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, defender of the faith, duke of Brunswick and Lunebourg, arch-treasurer and prince elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc......

 

[JBeukema]

the Constitution honors the Christian sabbath.

No, it honours the Universal Roman Sabbath. Nowhere did Jesus say 'Remember the Sabbath? Well, now it's on the first day of the week and not the last'

Jesus said,

"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath".

Scripture never mentions any Sabbath (Saturday) gatherings by believers for fellowship or worship. However, there are clear passages that mention the first day of the week. For instance, Acts 20:7 states that “on the first day of the week we came together to break bread.” In 1 Corinthians 16:2 Paul urges the Corinthian believers “on the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income.” Since Paul designates this offering as “service” in 2 Corinthians 9:12, this collection must have been linked with the Sunday worship service of the Christian assembly. Historically Sunday, not Saturday, was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century.

The first day of the week. The first workday of the week. The day after Sabbath.

It's not that complicated

 

[JBeukema]

Couple that with historical documents and our FF's own words. Then yes it is very clear.

Which words are those?

US Treaty with Tripoli, 1796-1797

Go back and read the thread and you will find many instances.


Treaty of Paris 1783

In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.

It having pleased the Divine Providence to dispose the hearts of the most serene and most potent Prince George the Third, by the grace of God, king of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, defender of the faith, duke of Brunswick and Lunebourg, arch-treasurer and prince elector of the Holy Roman Empire etc......

So the FF were liars talking out both sides of their mouth and their words mean nothing?

 

[JBeukema]

fascist

DO you even know what that word mean?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

No, it honours the Universal Roman Sabbath. Nowhere did Jesus say 'Remember the Sabbath? Well, now it's on the first day of the week and not the last'

Jesus said,

"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath".

Scripture never mentions any Sabbath (Saturday) gatherings by believers for fellowship or worship. However, there are clear passages that mention the first day of the week. For instance, Acts 20:7 states that “on the first day of the week we came together to break bread.” In 1 Corinthians 16:2 Paul urges the Corinthian believers “on the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income.” Since Paul designates this offering as “service” in 2 Corinthians 9:12, this collection must have been linked with the Sunday worship service of the Christian assembly. Historically Sunday, not Saturday, was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century.

The first day of the week. The first workday of the week. The day after Sabbath.

It's not that complicated

You're not very bright are you?

 

[JBeukema]

From our perspective these men may be heroes, but in truth the vote they cast was ordinary, routine, normal. It was, in other words, quite well accepted, only a few years after first the Constitution and then the First Amendment were ratified, that "the Government of the United States of America was not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

Does the 1796-97 Treaty with Tripoli Matter to Church/State Separation?

 

[Spoonman]

Jesus said,

"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath".

Scripture never mentions any Sabbath (Saturday) gatherings by believers for fellowship or worship. However, there are clear passages that mention the first day of the week. For instance, Acts 20:7 states that “on the first day of the week we came together to break bread.” In 1 Corinthians 16:2 Paul urges the Corinthian believers “on the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income.” Since Paul designates this offering as “service” in 2 Corinthians 9:12, this collection must have been linked with the Sunday worship service of the Christian assembly. Historically Sunday, not Saturday, was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century.

The first day of the week. The first workday of the week. The day after Sabbath.

It's not that complicated

You're not very bright are you?

you got that one right

 

[TheBrain]

Sunday is a Christian tenet.

The worship of the sun is a Christian tenant?

Sun day
Moon day
tiu's day
wotan's day
thor's day
friday's day
saturn's day


Yes... clearly, the use of the common calendar and common societal practices at the time indicates this is a Christan (pagan?) nation founded on the principles of the religion by which the calendar and societal practices were inspired.

Holy shit you are stupid. The days were named LONG before Christianity came around. Were Christians supposed to rename the days of the week so that Sunday was now JesusDay to them so as not to confuse you?

Nope, that's not what happened at all. What DID happen is that Roman calender was kept even after the Roman Empire switched to being a Christian Empire.

Read a damned history book

 

[Spoonman]

Sunday is a Christian tenet.

The worship of the sun is a Christian tenant?

Sun day
Moon day
tiu's day
wotan's day
thor's day
friday's day
saturn's day


Yes... clearly, the use of the common calendar and common societal practices at the time indicates this is a Christan (pagan?) nation founded on the principles of the religion by which the calendar and societal practices were inspired.

Holy shit you are stupid. The days were named LONG before Christianity came around. Were Christians supposed to rename the days of the week so that Sunday was now JesusDay to them so as not to confuse you?

Nope, that's not what happened at all. What DID happen is that Roman calender was kept even after the Roman Empire switched to being a Christian Empire.

Read a damned history book

he's still struggling with see spot run