The U.S. NOT founded upon Christianity

[bodecea]

Sorry, I said it wrong.
Yes the thread is that we are not founded on Christianity.
But we are a Christian nation.
Freemason belief;
Freemasonry refers to the principles, institutions, and practices of the fraternal order of the Free and Accepted Masons. The largest worldwide society, Freemasonry is an organization of men based on the "fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man," using builders' tools as symbols to teach basic moral truths generally accepted by persons of good will. Their motto is "morality in which all men agree, that is, to be good men and true." It is religious in that a belief in a Supreme Being and in the immortality of the soul are the two prime requirements for membership, but it is nonsectarian in that no religious test is used.1 The purpose of Freemasonry is to enable men to meet in harmony, to promote friendship, and to be charitable. Its basic ideals are that all persons are the children of one God, that all persons are related to each other, and that the best way to worship God is to be of service to people.

But Freemason's does not interfere with Christianity and George Washington attended his church when he could during the war and presidency. He did so regularly after he was president.
Many Freemasons attend Church along with the meetings of Freemasons.

Yes they do....but their tenets are not christian tenets either.

 

[peach174]

But some of our laws and other Christain Nations laws are based on Christianity
such as Bigamy and polygamy

But Americans overwhelmingly believed that Christian ideas and principles should receive favorable treatment and that its understanding of Moral Law should undergird the laws of the United States and the individual states. When other people’s religious practices came into conflict with Moral Law, Moral Law, not the practices of other religions, was always supreme. People were free to believe as they saw fit, but they could not practice their beliefs when those practices ran contrary to morality; they had to live by the Christian based laws of the United States. This can readily be seen through the decisions of the United States Supreme Court. As one example of how this has been worked out, one may note Davis v. Beason, where Mormons were forbidden to practice polygamy, an early tenet of their faith, because it was contrary to Moral Law as understood by historic Christianity.
Yes. we do have laws based on moral christian law.

 

[bodecea]

But some of our laws and other Christain Nations laws are based on Christianity
such as Bigamy and polygamy

But Americans overwhelmingly believed that Christian ideas and principles should receive favorable treatment and that its understanding of Moral Law should undergird the laws of the United States and the individual states. When other people’s religious practices came into conflict with Moral Law, Moral Law, not the practices of other religions, was always supreme. People were free to believe as they saw fit, but they could not practice their beliefs when those practices ran contrary to morality; they had to live by the Christian based laws of the United States. This can readily be seen through the decisions of the United States Supreme Court. As one example of how this has been worked out, one may note Davis v. Beason, where Mormons were forbidden to practice polygamy, an early tenet of their faith, because it was contrary to Moral Law as understood by historic Christianity.
Yes. we do have laws based on moral christian law.

Would you say those are based on Christianity? I ask because one does not have to be a Christian or a christian nation to make bigamy and polygamy illegal.

If you want to look to the CORE of Christian tenets, the 10 commandments and the belief in Jesus as Christ, where were those codified by our Founders as law?

 

[peach174]

Sorry, I said it wrong.
Yes the thread is that we are not founded on Christianity.
But we are a Christian nation.
Freemason belief;
Freemasonry refers to the principles, institutions, and practices of the fraternal order of the Free and Accepted Masons. The largest worldwide society, Freemasonry is an organization of men based on the "fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man," using builders' tools as symbols to teach basic moral truths generally accepted by persons of good will. Their motto is "morality in which all men agree, that is, to be good men and true." It is religious in that a belief in a Supreme Being and in the immortality of the soul are the two prime requirements for membership, but it is nonsectarian in that no religious test is used.1 The purpose of Freemasonry is to enable men to meet in harmony, to promote friendship, and to be charitable. Its basic ideals are that all persons are the children of one God, that all persons are related to each other, and that the best way to worship God is to be of service to people.

But Freemason's does not interfere with Christianity and George Washington attended his church when he could during the war and presidency. He did so regularly after he was president.
Many Freemasons attend Church along with the meetings of Freemasons.

Yes they do....but their tenets are not Christian tenets either.

You don't think a supreme being and immortality are Christian?
It was required in order to become a member.
All of what was quoted above is Christian tenets.

 

[peach174]

But some of our laws and other Christain Nations laws are based on Christianity
such as Bigamy and polygamy

But Americans overwhelmingly believed that Christian ideas and principles should receive favorable treatment and that its understanding of Moral Law should undergird the laws of the United States and the individual states. When other people’s religious practices came into conflict with Moral Law, Moral Law, not the practices of other religions, was always supreme. People were free to believe as they saw fit, but they could not practice their beliefs when those practices ran contrary to morality; they had to live by the Christian based laws of the United States. This can readily be seen through the decisions of the United States Supreme Court. As one example of how this has been worked out, one may note Davis v. Beason, where Mormons were forbidden to practice polygamy, an early tenet of their faith, because it was contrary to Moral Law as understood by historic Christianity.
Yes. we do have laws based on moral christian law.

Would you say those are based on Christianity? I ask because one does not have to be a Christian or a christian nation to make bigamy and polygamy illegal.

If you want to look to the CORE of Christian tenets, the 10 commandments and the belief in Jesus as Christ, where were those codified by our Founders as law?

Where did a Nation have laws on bigamy and polygamy that wasn't christian?

 

[bodecea]

Sorry, I said it wrong.
Yes the thread is that we are not founded on Christianity.
But we are a Christian nation.
Freemason belief;
Freemasonry refers to the principles, institutions, and practices of the fraternal order of the Free and Accepted Masons. The largest worldwide society, Freemasonry is an organization of men based on the "fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man," using builders' tools as symbols to teach basic moral truths generally accepted by persons of good will. Their motto is "morality in which all men agree, that is, to be good men and true." It is religious in that a belief in a Supreme Being and in the immortality of the soul are the two prime requirements for membership, but it is nonsectarian in that no religious test is used.1 The purpose of Freemasonry is to enable men to meet in harmony, to promote friendship, and to be charitable. Its basic ideals are that all persons are the children of one God, that all persons are related to each other, and that the best way to worship God is to be of service to people.

But Freemason's does not interfere with Christianity and George Washington attended his church when he could during the war and presidency. He did so regularly after he was president.
Many Freemasons attend Church along with the meetings of Freemasons.

Yes they do....but their tenets are not Christian tenets either.

You don't think a supreme being and immortality are Christian?

You find them in almost all religions. It is not patented by Christianity.

It was required in order to become a member.

But not being Christian.

All of what was quoted above is Christian tenets.

No...Christianity doesn't own those tenets.

 

[bodecea]

But some of our laws and other Christain Nations laws are based on Christianity
such as Bigamy and polygamy

But Americans overwhelmingly believed that Christian ideas and principles should receive favorable treatment and that its understanding of Moral Law should undergird the laws of the United States and the individual states. When other people’s religious practices came into conflict with Moral Law, Moral Law, not the practices of other religions, was always supreme. People were free to believe as they saw fit, but they could not practice their beliefs when those practices ran contrary to morality; they had to live by the Christian based laws of the United States. This can readily be seen through the decisions of the United States Supreme Court. As one example of how this has been worked out, one may note Davis v. Beason, where Mormons were forbidden to practice polygamy, an early tenet of their faith, because it was contrary to Moral Law as understood by historic Christianity.
Yes. we do have laws based on moral christian law.

Would you say those are based on Christianity? I ask because one does not have to be a Christian or a christian nation to make bigamy and polygamy illegal.

If you want to look to the CORE of Christian tenets, the 10 commandments and the belief in Jesus as Christ, where were those codified by our Founders as law?

Where did a Nation have laws on bigamy and polygamy that wasn't christian?

Most of them....polygamy and bigamy are actually quite rare.

But if you think that ONLY Christian nations have monogamy, I am willing to look to your evidence.

 

[peach174]

Yes they do....but their tenets are not Christian tenets either.

You don't think a supreme being and immortality are Christian?

You find them in almost all religions. It is not patented by Christianity.

It was required in order to become a member.

But not being Christian.

All of what was quoted above is Christian tenets.

No...Christianity doesn't own those tenets.

I didn't say they did.
All religions have some basics.

 

[peach174]

Would you say those are based on Christianity? I ask because one does not have to be a Christian or a Christian nation to make bigamy and polygamy illegal.

If you want to look to the CORE of Christian tenets, the 10 commandments and the belief in Jesus as Christ, where were those codified by our Founders as law?

Where did a Nation have laws on bigamy and polygamy that wasn't Christian?

Most of them....polygamy and bigamy are actually quite rare.

But if you think that ONLY Christian nations have monogamy, I am willing to look to your evidence.

No. Polygamy in tribes were very common before Christianity was introduced.
Just a few;
American Indians
All of the tribes in South America
And almost all of the tribes in the Pacific and Atlantic Islands.

 

[Gadawg73]

But some of our laws and other Christain Nations laws are based on Christianity
such as Bigamy and polygamy

But Americans overwhelmingly believed that Christian ideas and principles should receive favorable treatment and that its understanding of Moral Law should undergird the laws of the United States and the individual states. When other people’s religious practices came into conflict with Moral Law, Moral Law, not the practices of other religions, was always supreme. People were free to believe as they saw fit, but they could not practice their beliefs when those practices ran contrary to morality; they had to live by the Christian based laws of the United States. This can readily be seen through the decisions of the United States Supreme Court. As one example of how this has been worked out, one may note Davis v. Beason, where Mormons were forbidden to practice polygamy, an early tenet of their faith, because it was contrary to Moral Law as understood by historic Christianity.
Yes. we do have laws based on moral christian law.

What set of morals are you talking about?
My neighbors? Jerry Falwell? Jimmy Swaggart? Bishop Long? The morals of an atheist?
Our laws ARE SECULAR. Our entire government if SECULAR.
Been away for a few days and even spoke with a Baptist preacher about this thread.
He is a Southern Baptist preacher and knows this nation was not founded on any religous principles. The nation WAS/IS Christian, the nation's Founders were Christian primarily and Christianity is a good thing BUT:
The nation was founded on LAW that protects ALL religions and has NO religous principles whatsoever as religous principles VARY from individual to individual EVEN IN THE SAME CHURCH.
Religion is NEVER the strength of THE LAW . THE LAW is and has always been the FOUNDATION of this country.
Amazing how foolish you folks are that deny that the very foundation of this country, THE LAWS, are what PROTECTS ALL RELIGONS, not just Christianity in this country.
Without a FOUNDATION in LAW, how could a nation be founded on ANYTHING?

 

[Gadawg73]

Where did a Nation have laws on bigamy and polygamy that wasn't Christian?

Most of them....polygamy and bigamy are actually quite rare.

But if you think that ONLY Christian nations have monogamy, I am willing to look to your evidence.

No. Polygamy in tribes were very common before Christianity was introduced.
Just a few;
American Indians
All of the tribes in South America
And almost all of the tribes in the Pacific and Atlantic Islands.

Dude, the Bible preaches polygamy as acceptable.
The Bible is a CHRISTIAN book.
THE Christian book.
It was not practiced a lot in the Biblical era because only the wealthy could afford multiple wives.

 

[peach174]

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Most of them....polygamy and bigamy are actually quite rare.

But if you think that ONLY Christian nations have monogamy, I am willing to look to your evidence.

No. Polygamy in tribes were very common before Christianity was introduced.
Just a few;
American Indians
All of the tribes in South America
And almost all of the tribes in the Pacific and Atlantic Islands.

Dude, the Bible preaches polygamy as acceptable.
The Bible is a CHRISTIAN book.
THE Christian book.
It was not practiced a lot in the Biblical era because only the wealthy could afford multiple wives.

Dude-
In the Old testament yes, but not the new testament.
The new testament teaches one man and one wife.
1 Timothy and Titus

 

[Gadawg73]

If this nation was founded on Christian principles then why was abortion LEGAL IN MOST ALL STATES at the time of the revolution?
And remained LEGAL from 1776-mid 1800s in MOST ALL STATES.

 

[bodecea]

You don't think a supreme being and immortality are Christian?

You find them in almost all religions. It is not patented by Christianity.



But not being Christian.

All of what was quoted above is Christian tenets.

No...Christianity doesn't own those tenets.

I didn't say they did.
All religions have some basics.

And those without religion have basics too.

 

[Metzor]

The constitutions of every state in the union mention God and a few mention Jesus.

 

[Gadawg73]

The constitutions of every state in the union mention God and a few mention Jesus.

Name ONE LAW that mentions God Jesus.
And tell us why God or Jesus are not mentioned in any law in any state.
Do you know why?

 

[AllieBaba]

Does found = law?

Nope. Hit that dictionary. Again. Retention isn't your strong suit, is it?

 

[Foxfyre]

If this nation was founded on Christian principles then why was abortion LEGAL IN MOST ALL STATES at the time of the revolution?
And remained LEGAL from 1776-mid 1800s in MOST ALL STATES.

The country was founded on a principle that unalienable rights are granted by God, and that principle was derived from the Christian faith of the Founders.

The Constitution as they understood it allowed people to believe whatever they wanted to believe about anything and the federal government wouldn't interfere with, reward, or punish people in any way for what they believed. And it allowed the original U.S. citizens the right to practice their moral and religious convictions however they saw fit and form whatever society they wished to have. Some early societies permitted abortion though it was generally considered socially unacceptable. Some societies did not permit abortion. The Federal government would not interfere with such local laws in any way.

The same freedom allows us to call out those who want to make the truth of it into something else altogether. And the fact that unalienable rights come from the Founders' Christian faith and understanding isn't changed no matter how many non sequiturs and red herrings you come up with or how many straw men you try to build.

The concept of a federal government dictating morality and how people should be required to live their lives is a fairly new invention and one that would have been anathema to the Founders.

 

[bodecea]

The constitutions of every state in the union mention God and a few mention Jesus.

Every state in the Union? Care to back that up, my friend?

 

[bodecea]

Does found = law?

Nope. Hit that dictionary. Again. Retention isn't your strong suit, is it?

So....Allie. You don't think we are a nation founded on law and the rule of law. Interesting.