Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
But YOU gave me the criteria as to why this nation is a nation based on Christian tenets. Why wouldn't that criteria fit in all cases? What is the difference between America and Germany if YOUR criteria is met in both cases?
Not talking about caring, simply talking about consistency....and Hitler WAS the founder of the Third Reich which they considered more than Germany, just like the Founders thought of the U.S. as more than the original 13 colonies.
Hitler was not the founder of Germany. Period.
Does that change anything about the Criteria that YOU set up that you somehow want applied to America as evidence but you don't want applied to Germany as evidence?
IF they are not exclusively Christian, why are they labeled as Christian?In fairness to Dr. Drock, I don't think he is making blanket statements. He very correctly pointed out that Christians cannot claim exclusive ownership of some of the tenets and convictions that went into the Declaration of Independence that in turn provided the underpinnings of the U.S. Constitution. He is not dismissing a Christian influence but only arguing that all are not uniquely Christian concepts.
No one has or is declaring those tenets are exclusively Christian. His point is simply a red herring.
Because dumbass they are Christian tenets. They may be other religions tenets also but we know that the FF's were not of any other religion. They were for the most part Christians.
Damn, you are one stupid troll!
Hmmm....so they are not really ONLY Christian tenets. They are not even tenets invented by Christians...but because the founders claim christianity as their religion (most of them)...it's christian tenets.
Sorry, that's chauvanistic and just as untrue as if I were to say that our FFs were partiers for the most part that our country was based on partying tenets? Or if (as was true) our country's FFs were for the most part farmers, our country was based on farming tenets?
We are talking people that RAN AWAY from religious tyranny of the State...you know.
You really should learn your history.
IF they are not exclusively Christian, why are they labeled as Christian?
Because dumbass they are Christian tenets. They may be other religions tenets also but we know that the FF's were not of any other religion. They were for the most part Christians.
Damn, you are one stupid troll!
Why are they not called Religious tenets? Why are they not called Equality tenets? Why are they not called Enlightenment tenets?
They are NOT exclusively Christian.
NOT all Christian principles are found in them.
Unless you are chauvanistic, Christianity DOES NOT OWN these tenets that country was based on.
If Christianity did....why didn't Christian England have the same tenets? Why didn't Christian Mexico have the same tenets? Why didn't Christian France have the same tenets?
You're the one trying to make it a blanket statement. Because the premise is very limited...the US was founded upon Christian principle based upon the FF statements and certain foundation docs.
This is not to say that everybody who embraces those tenets is Christian. It isn't to say that all the FF were Christian. It isn't to say that the country is a theocracy, it isn't.
But this particular country, as developed by our founding fathers, was very deliberately founded on Christian principle. They decided to create a new country, they decided there would be no state religion, but they recognized (and said they recognized) that freedom and liberty come from God only, and as such are sacrosanct. That is the foundation of this country, and that is a Christian precept.
In fairness to Dr. Drock, I don't think he is making blanket statements. He very correctly pointed out that Christians cannot claim exclusive ownership of some of the tenets and convictions that went into the Declaration of Independence that in turn provided the underpinnings of the U.S. Constitution. He is not dismissing a Christian influence but only arguing that all are not uniquely Christian concepts.
No one has or is declaring those tenets are exclusively Christian. His point is simply a red herring.
In fairness to Dr. Drock, I don't think he is making blanket statements. He very correctly pointed out that Christians cannot claim exclusive ownership of some of the tenets and convictions that went into the Declaration of Independence that in turn provided the underpinnings of the U.S. Constitution. He is not dismissing a Christian influence but only arguing that all are not uniquely Christian concepts.
No one has or is declaring those tenets are exclusively Christian. His point is simply a red herring.
So they're not exclusively christian tenets, and not all the founding fathers were christian, but you can undeniably say for certain that you know the country was founded purely on what the founding fathers viewed as christian principles?
Very interesting to say the least.
What our 1st congress did;
On January 21, 1781, Robert Aitken petitioned the Unites States Congress to authorize, and if possible even fund, the printing of a complete Bible in the English language of the King James Version. On September 10, 1782, Aitken received authorization from the United States Congress to commence his American printing of the Bible in English. This is the only instance in history of the U.S. Congress authorizing the printing of a Bible. In subsequent years, that session was often mockingly referred to as The Bible Congress. Thus, in 1782, Robert Aitken produced the first English language Bible printed in America. In 1783, George Washington wrote a letter commending Robert Aitken for his Bible. The Robert Aitken Bible is known as the Bible of the American Revolution and it remains the most rare and valuable of early American English Bibles.
So the Founding Father's were Christian in their belief's
In fairness to Dr. Drock, I don't think he is making blanket statements. He very correctly pointed out that Christians cannot claim exclusive ownership of some of the tenets and convictions that went into the Declaration of Independence that in turn provided the underpinnings of the U.S. Constitution. He is not dismissing a Christian influence but only arguing that all are not uniquely Christian concepts.
No one has or is declaring those tenets are exclusively Christian. His point is simply a red herring.
So they're not exclusively christian tenets, and not all the founding fathers were christian, but you can undeniably say for certain that you know the country was founded purely on what the founding fathers viewed as christian principles?
Very interesting to say the least.
Because dumbass they are Christian tenets. They may be other religions tenets also but we know that the FF's were not of any other religion. They were for the most part Christians.
Damn, you are one stupid troll!
Why are they not called Religious tenets? Why are they not called Equality tenets? Why are they not called Enlightenment tenets?
They are NOT exclusively Christian.
NOT all Christian principles are found in them.
Unless you are chauvanistic, Christianity DOES NOT OWN these tenets that country was based on.
If Christianity did....why didn't Christian England have the same tenets? Why didn't Christian Mexico have the same tenets? Why didn't Christian France have the same tenets?
At the time England, as well as most of the rest of Europe and the near east, had religious entities in power that did not practice Christian tenets but rather were more totalitarian political. That is why the Puritans, among others, wanted out of there and came here.
The tenets in question are Christian tenets because they were pulled from the Christian faith as believed by Christians who also happened to be our Founding Fathers. Just because others also hold them makes them no less Christian. It is the same sort of thing that makes Christmas and Easter Christian festivals. The fact that non-Christians also celebrate or acknowledge components of them does not change the fact that they arose out of the Christian faith and were originally uniquely Christian festivals.
No other faith had come up with the concept of unalienable rights nor proposed them as the principle of good government. That came out of Christian beliefs practiced by Christians and Christianity at least deserve acknowledgement if not credit for that.
No one has or is declaring those tenets are exclusively Christian. His point is simply a red herring.
So they're not exclusively christian tenets, and not all the founding fathers were christian, but you can undeniably say for certain that you know the country was founded purely on what the founding fathers viewed as christian principles?
Very interesting to say the least.
And yet, using the EXACT SAME criteria, he cannot say the same thing about the Third Reich. You don't think he's being a wee bit inconsistent, do you?
So they're not exclusively christian tenets, and not all the founding fathers were christian, but you can undeniably say for certain that you know the country was founded purely on what the founding fathers viewed as christian principles?
Very interesting to say the least.
And yet, using the EXACT SAME criteria, he cannot say the same thing about the Third Reich. You don't think he's being a wee bit inconsistent, do you?
If all the founding fathers were christians I'd understand but they weren't, I wouldn't be able to say beyond a shadow of a doubt that people who aren't christian would label some of their principles as being christian in nature.
Again some of the founding fathers did what they did based on principles they'd deem as christian, others weren't and wouldn't deem them as christian. I dunno why that's offensive to some people to say that non-christians wouldn't label their principles as christian. Seems pretty basic to me.
In fairness to Dr. Drock, I don't think he is making blanket statements. He very correctly pointed out that Christians cannot claim exclusive ownership of some of the tenets and convictions that went into the Declaration of Independence that in turn provided the underpinnings of the U.S. Constitution. He is not dismissing a Christian influence but only arguing that all are not uniquely Christian concepts.
No one has or is declaring those tenets are exclusively Christian. His point is simply a red herring.
So they're not exclusively christian tenets, and not all the founding fathers were christian, but you can undeniably say for certain that you know the country was founded purely on what the founding fathers viewed as christian principles?
Very interesting to say the least.
Why are they not called Religious tenets? Why are they not called Equality tenets? Why are they not called Enlightenment tenets?
They are NOT exclusively Christian.
NOT all Christian principles are found in them.
Unless you are chauvanistic, Christianity DOES NOT OWN these tenets that country was based on.
If Christianity did....why didn't Christian England have the same tenets? Why didn't Christian Mexico have the same tenets? Why didn't Christian France have the same tenets?
At the time England, as well as most of the rest of Europe and the near east, had religious entities in power that did not practice Christian tenets but rather were more totalitarian political. That is why the Puritans, among others, wanted out of there and came here.
The tenets in question are Christian tenets because they were pulled from the Christian faith as believed by Christians who also happened to be our Founding Fathers. Just because others also hold them makes them no less Christian. It is the same sort of thing that makes Christmas and Easter Christian festivals. The fact that non-Christians also celebrate or acknowledge components of them does not change the fact that they arose out of the Christian faith and were originally uniquely Christian festivals.
No other faith had come up with the concept of unalienable rights nor proposed them as the principle of good government. That came out of Christian beliefs practiced by Christians and Christianity at least deserve acknowledgement if not credit for that.
Ah, but they would totally disagree with you on that....and the Puritans were even worse in some respects...they HANGED Quakers. They kicked out and imprisoned anyone who did not follow the accepted Church lines. People HAD to go to church for hours on end with enforcers making sure they stayed awake. Laws forbid dancing, drinking, bright clothes, holiday celebrations, PDA and if you didn't fit the mold...you might be hanged as a witch.
So they're not exclusively christian tenets, and not all the founding fathers were christian, but you can undeniably say for certain that you know the country was founded purely on what the founding fathers viewed as christian principles?
Very interesting to say the least.
And yet, using the EXACT SAME criteria, he cannot say the same thing about the Third Reich. You don't think he's being a wee bit inconsistent, do you?
If all the founding fathers were christians I'd understand but they weren't, I wouldn't be able to say beyond a shadow of a doubt that people who aren't christian would label some of their principles as being christian in nature.
Again some of the founding fathers did what they did based on principles they'd deem as christian, others weren't and wouldn't deem them as christian. I dunno why that's offensive to some people to say that non-christians wouldn't label their principles as christian. Seems pretty basic to me.
And yet, using the EXACT SAME criteria, he cannot say the same thing about the Third Reich. You don't think he's being a wee bit inconsistent, do you?
If all the founding fathers were christians I'd understand but they weren't, I wouldn't be able to say beyond a shadow of a doubt that people who aren't christian would label some of their principles as being christian in nature.
Again some of the founding fathers did what they did based on principles they'd deem as christian, others weren't and wouldn't deem them as christian. I dunno why that's offensive to some people to say that non-christians wouldn't label their principles as christian. Seems pretty basic to me.
Again. It has nothing to do with their religion. It has to do with what they SAID they were founding the nation on.
Uh, ok. Lonestar_Logic disagrees with you on that one about their own religion.
People say all sorts of things, Allie. Hitler and his crew said they were forming the THIRD REICH the same way....does that make it true?
I don't know what non-Christian ff you're talking about, but pretty much all of them said at one time or another, "We are building a country upon Christian principle, but we are not building a theocracy". The quotes are there, carefully preserved and protected in climate-controlled storage, in the history books, cited by presidents, acknowledged by all historians.
It is pretty basic. It's not offensive to say the non-Christians wouldn't label their principles as Christian...it's just a lie. The non-Christians DID label the founding principles as Christian...though I have no idea who these famed "non-Christians" are. I just know that pretty much all the founding fathers said and wrote, repeatedly, that they were building a nation on Christian principle, and that without that principle, the government would not function properly.
What was that Exclusively Christian Principle they build our nation on.....beyond lip service?
If all the founding fathers were christians I'd understand but they weren't, I wouldn't be able to say beyond a shadow of a doubt that people who aren't christian would label some of their principles as being christian in nature.
Again some of the founding fathers did what they did based on principles they'd deem as christian, others weren't and wouldn't deem them as christian. I dunno why that's offensive to some people to say that non-christians wouldn't label their principles as christian. Seems pretty basic to me.
Again. It has nothing to do with their religion. It has to do with what they SAID they were founding the nation on.
Uh, ok. Lonestar_Logic disagrees with you on that one about their own religion.
People say all sorts of things, Allie. Hitler and his crew said they were forming the THIRD REICH the same way....does that make it true?
I don't know what non-Christian ff you're talking about, but pretty much all of them said at one time or another, "We are building a country upon Christian principle, but we are not building a theocracy". The quotes are there, carefully preserved and protected in climate-controlled storage, in the history books, cited by presidents, acknowledged by all historians.
It is pretty basic. It's not offensive to say the non-Christians wouldn't label their principles as Christian...it's just a lie. The non-Christians DID label the founding principles as Christian...though I have no idea who these famed "non-Christians" are. I just know that pretty much all the founding fathers said and wrote, repeatedly, that they were building a nation on Christian principle, and that without that principle, the government would not function properly.
What was that Exclusively Christian Principle they build our nation on.....beyond lip service?
Moron. The "Third Reich" wasn't a country.
Why do you insist on arguing a topic you are woefully ignorant about?
