There is NO need for a Federal Minimum wage...

[Crepitus]

Adjusted for inflation, $2.00 in 1962 is equal to $16.43 in 2018.
Annual inflation over this period was 3.83%.

You were making more than what the workers you are bitching about are getting a raise to.

Calculate the value of $2.00 in 1962. How much is it worth today?

That is a big fat lie, the $2.00 bucks my aunt put under her bed in 1962 is worth $2 bucks today .

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So, economics isn't your strong suite.

Here's the point:

What you can buy with those two dollars has changed a lot.

What you can buy with those two dollars has changed a lot.

Back when I was a burger flipper at McD's working for $2.10 an hour, a burger, small fry and small drink totaled 95 cents and a trans am fire bird was $6,000.. Today with minimum wage at $10 an hour, a burger, small fry, and small drink are over $3.50 and if you could buy a trans am, it would be well over $50,000. Because of the dollars spent to give people trillions of dollars to sit on their liberal lazy asses, this printed money(not earned) has caused all this INFLATION. So who ends up hurting? The working people, because they have to work harder for those smaller dollars, and the poor, still sit on their asses, collecting FREE money for nothing....

Well, your prices are pretty close to right, but the rest of that is simply a regurgitated rwnj talking point.

In 1932 an ounce of gold was $20. FDR couldn't do his raw deal, so took the US off the gold standard for the first time so then he could buy an ounce of gold for $25 an ounce, or confiscated it if you didn't turn it in. So what did he do for the gold? Make it more valuable? No he made the dollar 25% less valuable, but he could print more so he could put a chicken in ever pot and start the Ponzi Scheme of Social Security where people didn't live very long past 60. Then the gold standard was put back limiting the government so it couldn't continue to print more dollars, thus preventing the government from growing like a cancer tumor. But then liberal Republican Richard Nixon(who got US out of the VN war while the Dems got US in and escalated the war for the liberal war machine) took the dollar off the gold standard permanently so he could spend like a Democrat on social programs like the Dept of Ed. Thus since then, the government has grown to the point that the host was almost killed, until the US voter woke up and voted against the corrupt bitch that would of given US 4 more years of $1.15 trillion dollar debt per year as Obama did over his 8 years with no hope of larger GROWTH.

At one time, people actually wanted to be trusted for what they say, but with you liberals, you have no honor and will lie about everything. Then you complain when no one trusts you, not even your own, as with Bernie Sanders, who had his election stolen from him by the DNC machine...Oh you already forgot about that???

Just more rwnj talking points.

Not worth my time kid.

 

[rightwinger]

I believe that there should be a "Minimum Wage" but it should stay where it is now and not raised to $15.00 an hour.

"Minimum Wage" is for entry level workers and retired people looking for a little extra cash and something to do.

Also, "Minimum Wage" will always, ALWAYS be just that...the minimum amount of money an employer can pay you to work.

Raising "Minimum Wage" does nothing except create more people making "Minimum Wage". Sorry to say but someone making $15.00 an hour now will still be making $15.00 an hour if "Minimum Wage" is raised. An employer is not going to raise that persons wage the equivalent to $22.50, lol.

Democrats just can't see the big picture on anything. They can only see the tip of their noses.

why subsidize Capitalists with an artificially low minimum wage, when social services cost the equivalent to fourteen dollars an hour.

You tell me where this fast food place can stay in business if the salaries and wages and double i.e. $7.25 to $15.00?
Right NOW salaries and wages take the largest chunk of the gross profit at 15%.
Double the $7.25 to $15.00 NO PROFIT. No eating place. NO JOBS!
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All the other expenses went up significantly over the last decade
Wages didn’t.

Business adapted, so did the market

A business that needs to pay $7.25 to survive doesn’t belong in business

RIGHT business expenses go up.

But that doesn't alter the percentages!

Also the AVERAGE AVERAGE is higher than $7.25...

Fast Food Worker Hourly Pay | PayScale
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Right that makes sense coming from someone who's president said and did the attached statements and policies.
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You fail to show the percentage of wages over time
That will show the impact of minimum wage stagnation

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, minimum wage workers tend to be young
Doesn’t mean they should be exploited

I worked minimum wage jobs in my teens and early twenties. They were the only jobs available. Even though I lived with my parents, I needed money to pay my way for college. That $2 minimum wage paid for my college just working three months over the summer. I graduated with no debt

Today’s $7.25 wage would take a whole year to pay for college. Because minimum wage is so low, students and parents have to take on debt

Given for not even inflation colleges are waaaaayyyy more expensive today , who are you fooling?

They are more expensive because states are contributing less than they did in the 60s and 70s

Don’t like college? Look at the cost of gas compared to what I paid in the early 70s. It would cost $20 an hour to get the gas I could buy for $2

How about an apartment? I paid $165 a month for a one bedroom. You could afford an apartment on minimum wage.

I don't dispute what you are being very very subjective about i.e. your rent etc.
But did you read the statistics I quoted where less than 500,000 of people working on minimum wage under age 25 are living with their parents!

I read it and did not find it relevant to the subject
Whether you live with your parents or not does not justify exploitation.
Those who do not are relying on public support

College graduates have over $1 trillion in student loan debt that would not have been necessary if minimum wage had kept pace with inflation

What the hell does the MW have to do with student loans?

Interesting question

Students work minimum wage jobs to pay for tuition and expenses. If minimum wage had kept pace with inflation, those jobs would pay $15 instead of the current $7.25
For a student working part time and summers (1000 hours) that is an additional $7,750 a year that must be borrowed

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Given for not even inflation colleges are waaaaayyyy more expensive today , who are you fooling?

They are more expensive because states are contributing less than they did in the 60s and 70s

Don’t like college? Look at the cost of gas compared to what I paid in the early 70s. It would cost $20 an hour to get the gas I could buy for $2

How about an apartment? I paid $165 a month for a one bedroom. You could afford an apartment on minimum wage.

I don't dispute what you are being very very subjective about i.e. your rent etc.
But did you read the statistics I quoted where less than 500,000 of people working on minimum wage under age 25 are living with their parents!

I read it and did not find it relevant to the subject
Whether you live with your parents or not does not justify exploitation.
Those who do not are relying on public support

College graduates have over $1 trillion in student loan debt that would not have been necessary if minimum wage had kept pace with inflation

What the hell does the MW have to do with student loans?

capital and capitalism?

That makes no sense.

 

[danielpalos]

They are more expensive because states are contributing less than they did in the 60s and 70s

Don’t like college? Look at the cost of gas compared to what I paid in the early 70s. It would cost $20 an hour to get the gas I could buy for $2

How about an apartment? I paid $165 a month for a one bedroom. You could afford an apartment on minimum wage.

I don't dispute what you are being very very subjective about i.e. your rent etc.
But did you read the statistics I quoted where less than 500,000 of people working on minimum wage under age 25 are living with their parents!

I read it and did not find it relevant to the subject
Whether you live with your parents or not does not justify exploitation.
Those who do not are relying on public support

College graduates have over $1 trillion in student loan debt that would not have been necessary if minimum wage had kept pace with inflation

What the hell does the MW have to do with student loans?

capital and capitalism?

That makes no sense.

capitalism makes no sense to the right wing; socialism on a national basis is all they know.

 

[healthmyths]

I don't dispute what you are being very very subjective about i.e. your rent etc.
But did you read the statistics I quoted where less than 500,000 of people working on minimum wage under age 25 are living with their parents!

I read it and did not find it relevant to the subject
Whether you live with your parents or not does not justify exploitation.
Those who do not are relying on public support

College graduates have over $1 trillion in student loan debt that would not have been necessary if minimum wage had kept pace with inflation

What the hell does the MW have to do with student loans?

capital and capitalism?

That makes no sense.

capitalism makes no sense to the right wing; socialism on a national basis is all they know.

WHAT???

 

[Wyatt earp]

In 2016, 79.9 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers.
Among those paid by the hour, 701,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.
About 1.5 million had wages below the federal minimum.

Together, these 2.2 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 2.7 percent of all hourly paid workers.
Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2016 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Now WHAT was the average hourly wage in August 2018?
August 2018 $27.16 per hour. Up from August 2017 of $26.39

The range of AVERAGE hourly rate also depends on the Industry... The highest hourly rate is the Utilities in August 2017 was $38.50 In August 2018 $40.86
Table B-3. Average hourly and weekly earnings of all employees on private nonfarm payrolls by industry sector, seasonally adjusted

So the major point from these FACTs is: It depends on your skill set and with less that 2.2 million working at minimum or less than I'd bet these people were
A) NOT skilled. B) Probably never had a job.
In fact the actually breakdown is this: Age.
Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly paid workers,
they made up about half of those paid the federal minimum wage or less.
Among employed teenagers (ages 16 to 19) paid by the hour, about 10 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 2 percent of workers age 25 and older. (See tables 1 and 7.)
Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2016 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

So with less than 3% of the hourly work force being under age 25 or unskilled, people are all wanting the minimum wage to be raised for workers that either never worked before
or had no skill sets. Just plain economic stupidity on you people!

So you have no problem raising the minimum wage since it affects so few
Minimal impact

Why did you say it would have minimal impact? Remember SKILLED people get paid more because they are SKILLED.
So why should UNSKILLED people get paid more JUST because it makes people "feel" good?
Actually what will happen will be this:
More Flippy robots will be introduced at CaliBurgers next year, with the aim of installing them in 50 of their restaurants worldwide by the end of 2019.

CaliBurger say the benefits include making “food faster, safer and with fewer errors”.
Burger-flipping robot replaces humans on first day at work

So we are debating then in raising the minimum wage to $15.00 for those 1.15 million that truly don't have to earn a living to survive.
They buy tennis shoes, music... not food or shelter.

Q3. The types of jobs these 3.3 million are entry level, very little skills and fundamentally require the
employee to A. Be on the job.....B. Be on the job on time.......C. Be able to read/write.
So can these people be replaced by robots/kiosks?
A3. YES... if the costs of operating robots/kiosks are less then $15.00!

So looking at the below standard operating costs of a restaurant with over 30% of expenses being
salaries,wages and employee benefits what would an owner of the restaurant do if the salaries,wages and benefits jumped to say 50%?
GO OUT OF BUSINESS! or let the lower level employees go and replace with robots/kiosks.
Don't need a waiter to take an order or deliver the food.

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

So actually I have no problem with these robots replacing the unskilled teenagers.

We are talking about unskilled workers and how their wages have been frozen for a decade

Their employers have survived other business expenses increasing over the last ten years
They will survive increased wages

No where not, the states and local cities have raised the minimum wage we are talking national and how you want to even the competition of jobs so they don't leave blue States.


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[Wyatt earp]

In 2016, 79.9 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers.
Among those paid by the hour, 701,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.
About 1.5 million had wages below the federal minimum.

Together, these 2.2 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 2.7 percent of all hourly paid workers.
Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2016 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Now WHAT was the average hourly wage in August 2018?
August 2018 $27.16 per hour. Up from August 2017 of $26.39

The range of AVERAGE hourly rate also depends on the Industry... The highest hourly rate is the Utilities in August 2017 was $38.50 In August 2018 $40.86
Table B-3. Average hourly and weekly earnings of all employees on private nonfarm payrolls by industry sector, seasonally adjusted

So the major point from these FACTs is: It depends on your skill set and with less that 2.2 million working at minimum or less than I'd bet these people were
A) NOT skilled. B) Probably never had a job.
In fact the actually breakdown is this: Age.
Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly paid workers,
they made up about half of those paid the federal minimum wage or less.
Among employed teenagers (ages 16 to 19) paid by the hour, about 10 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 2 percent of workers age 25 and older. (See tables 1 and 7.)
Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2016 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

So with less than 3% of the hourly work force being under age 25 or unskilled, people are all wanting the minimum wage to be raised for workers that either never worked before
or had no skill sets. Just plain economic stupidity on you people!

So you have no problem raising the minimum wage since it affects so few
Minimal impact

Why did you say it would have minimal impact? Remember SKILLED people get paid more because they are SKILLED.
So why should UNSKILLED people get paid more JUST because it makes people "feel" good?
Actually what will happen will be this:
More Flippy robots will be introduced at CaliBurgers next year, with the aim of installing them in 50 of their restaurants worldwide by the end of 2019.

CaliBurger say the benefits include making “food faster, safer and with fewer errors”.
Burger-flipping robot replaces humans on first day at work

So we are debating then in raising the minimum wage to $15.00 for those 1.15 million that truly don't have to earn a living to survive.
They buy tennis shoes, music... not food or shelter.

Q3. The types of jobs these 3.3 million are entry level, very little skills and fundamentally require the
employee to A. Be on the job.....B. Be on the job on time.......C. Be able to read/write.
So can these people be replaced by robots/kiosks?
A3. YES... if the costs of operating robots/kiosks are less then $15.00!

So looking at the below standard operating costs of a restaurant with over 30% of expenses being
salaries,wages and employee benefits what would an owner of the restaurant do if the salaries,wages and benefits jumped to say 50%?
GO OUT OF BUSINESS! or let the lower level employees go and replace with robots/kiosks.
Don't need a waiter to take an order or deliver the food.

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

So actually I have no problem with these robots replacing the unskilled teenagers.

Minimum wage workers use their money to pay for college, a car or other transportation. Their wage used to foot the bill...it no longer does
They take on more debt so that employers can have low cost labor

Other minimum wage workers use it to support themselves or a family (single mothers). In the absence of a fair wage.....the taxpayer must make up the difference

And the tax payer will make up the difference no matter what the national minimum wage is, because they will be making minimum wage



.

 

[Wyatt earp]

There is no need for a minimum wage. Be it local or Federal


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Feds have an interest in min wage because welfare type programs are mostly federally backed .

In short , the taxpayer must subsidize company employees so they have enough to meet min living standards .

No it's the other way around the company's subsidize the US welfare program , get rid of the welfare for people that have a job . The company's would have no choice but to raise wages .

That makes no sense . The worker would be in a worse position.

Why? If the workers can't afford to work there they would have to close down.

 

[rightwinger]

In 2016, 79.9 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers.
Among those paid by the hour, 701,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.
About 1.5 million had wages below the federal minimum.

Together, these 2.2 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 2.7 percent of all hourly paid workers.
Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2016 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Now WHAT was the average hourly wage in August 2018?
August 2018 $27.16 per hour. Up from August 2017 of $26.39

The range of AVERAGE hourly rate also depends on the Industry... The highest hourly rate is the Utilities in August 2017 was $38.50 In August 2018 $40.86
Table B-3. Average hourly and weekly earnings of all employees on private nonfarm payrolls by industry sector, seasonally adjusted

So the major point from these FACTs is: It depends on your skill set and with less that 2.2 million working at minimum or less than I'd bet these people were
A) NOT skilled. B) Probably never had a job.
In fact the actually breakdown is this: Age.
Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly paid workers,
they made up about half of those paid the federal minimum wage or less.
Among employed teenagers (ages 16 to 19) paid by the hour, about 10 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 2 percent of workers age 25 and older. (See tables 1 and 7.)
Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2016 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

So with less than 3% of the hourly work force being under age 25 or unskilled, people are all wanting the minimum wage to be raised for workers that either never worked before
or had no skill sets. Just plain economic stupidity on you people!

So you have no problem raising the minimum wage since it affects so few
Minimal impact

Why did you say it would have minimal impact? Remember SKILLED people get paid more because they are SKILLED.
So why should UNSKILLED people get paid more JUST because it makes people "feel" good?
Actually what will happen will be this:
More Flippy robots will be introduced at CaliBurgers next year, with the aim of installing them in 50 of their restaurants worldwide by the end of 2019.

CaliBurger say the benefits include making “food faster, safer and with fewer errors”.
Burger-flipping robot replaces humans on first day at work

So we are debating then in raising the minimum wage to $15.00 for those 1.15 million that truly don't have to earn a living to survive.
They buy tennis shoes, music... not food or shelter.

Q3. The types of jobs these 3.3 million are entry level, very little skills and fundamentally require the
employee to A. Be on the job.....B. Be on the job on time.......C. Be able to read/write.
So can these people be replaced by robots/kiosks?
A3. YES... if the costs of operating robots/kiosks are less then $15.00!

So looking at the below standard operating costs of a restaurant with over 30% of expenses being
salaries,wages and employee benefits what would an owner of the restaurant do if the salaries,wages and benefits jumped to say 50%?
GO OUT OF BUSINESS! or let the lower level employees go and replace with robots/kiosks.
Don't need a waiter to take an order or deliver the food.

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

So actually I have no problem with these robots replacing the unskilled teenagers.

We are talking about unskilled workers and how their wages have been frozen for a decade

Their employers have survived other business expenses increasing over the last ten years
They will survive increased wages

No where not, the states and local cities have raised the minimum wage we are talking national and how you want to even the competition of jobs so they don't leave blue States.


.

That is why we have a federal minimum wage
Nothing says states can’t require more

 

[rightwinger]

In 2016, 79.9 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers.
Among those paid by the hour, 701,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.
About 1.5 million had wages below the federal minimum.

Together, these 2.2 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 2.7 percent of all hourly paid workers.
Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2016 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Now WHAT was the average hourly wage in August 2018?
August 2018 $27.16 per hour. Up from August 2017 of $26.39

The range of AVERAGE hourly rate also depends on the Industry... The highest hourly rate is the Utilities in August 2017 was $38.50 In August 2018 $40.86
Table B-3. Average hourly and weekly earnings of all employees on private nonfarm payrolls by industry sector, seasonally adjusted

So the major point from these FACTs is: It depends on your skill set and with less that 2.2 million working at minimum or less than I'd bet these people were
A) NOT skilled. B) Probably never had a job.
In fact the actually breakdown is this: Age.
Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly paid workers,
they made up about half of those paid the federal minimum wage or less.
Among employed teenagers (ages 16 to 19) paid by the hour, about 10 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 2 percent of workers age 25 and older. (See tables 1 and 7.)
Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2016 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

So with less than 3% of the hourly work force being under age 25 or unskilled, people are all wanting the minimum wage to be raised for workers that either never worked before
or had no skill sets. Just plain economic stupidity on you people!

So you have no problem raising the minimum wage since it affects so few
Minimal impact

Why did you say it would have minimal impact? Remember SKILLED people get paid more because they are SKILLED.
So why should UNSKILLED people get paid more JUST because it makes people "feel" good?
Actually what will happen will be this:
More Flippy robots will be introduced at CaliBurgers next year, with the aim of installing them in 50 of their restaurants worldwide by the end of 2019.

CaliBurger say the benefits include making “food faster, safer and with fewer errors”.
Burger-flipping robot replaces humans on first day at work

So we are debating then in raising the minimum wage to $15.00 for those 1.15 million that truly don't have to earn a living to survive.
They buy tennis shoes, music... not food or shelter.

Q3. The types of jobs these 3.3 million are entry level, very little skills and fundamentally require the
employee to A. Be on the job.....B. Be on the job on time.......C. Be able to read/write.
So can these people be replaced by robots/kiosks?
A3. YES... if the costs of operating robots/kiosks are less then $15.00!

So looking at the below standard operating costs of a restaurant with over 30% of expenses being
salaries,wages and employee benefits what would an owner of the restaurant do if the salaries,wages and benefits jumped to say 50%?
GO OUT OF BUSINESS! or let the lower level employees go and replace with robots/kiosks.
Don't need a waiter to take an order or deliver the food.

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

So actually I have no problem with these robots replacing the unskilled teenagers.

Minimum wage workers use their money to pay for college, a car or other transportation. Their wage used to foot the bill...it no longer does
They take on more debt so that employers can have low cost labor

Other minimum wage workers use it to support themselves or a family (single mothers). In the absence of a fair wage.....the taxpayer must make up the difference

And the tax payer will make up the difference no matter what the national minimum wage is, because they will be making minimum wage



.

No
The employer will be making up the difference for HIS employees
Rather than expect the taxpayers to make up the difference

 

[Wyatt earp]

In 2016, 79.9 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers.
Among those paid by the hour, 701,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.
About 1.5 million had wages below the federal minimum.

Together, these 2.2 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 2.7 percent of all hourly paid workers.
Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2016 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Now WHAT was the average hourly wage in August 2018?
August 2018 $27.16 per hour. Up from August 2017 of $26.39

The range of AVERAGE hourly rate also depends on the Industry... The highest hourly rate is the Utilities in August 2017 was $38.50 In August 2018 $40.86
Table B-3. Average hourly and weekly earnings of all employees on private nonfarm payrolls by industry sector, seasonally adjusted

So the major point from these FACTs is: It depends on your skill set and with less that 2.2 million working at minimum or less than I'd bet these people were
A) NOT skilled. B) Probably never had a job.
In fact the actually breakdown is this: Age.
Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly paid workers,
they made up about half of those paid the federal minimum wage or less.
Among employed teenagers (ages 16 to 19) paid by the hour, about 10 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 2 percent of workers age 25 and older. (See tables 1 and 7.)
Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2016 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

So with less than 3% of the hourly work force being under age 25 or unskilled, people are all wanting the minimum wage to be raised for workers that either never worked before
or had no skill sets. Just plain economic stupidity on you people!

So you have no problem raising the minimum wage since it affects so few
Minimal impact

Why did you say it would have minimal impact? Remember SKILLED people get paid more because they are SKILLED.
So why should UNSKILLED people get paid more JUST because it makes people "feel" good?
Actually what will happen will be this:
More Flippy robots will be introduced at CaliBurgers next year, with the aim of installing them in 50 of their restaurants worldwide by the end of 2019.

CaliBurger say the benefits include making “food faster, safer and with fewer errors”.
Burger-flipping robot replaces humans on first day at work

So we are debating then in raising the minimum wage to $15.00 for those 1.15 million that truly don't have to earn a living to survive.
They buy tennis shoes, music... not food or shelter.

Q3. The types of jobs these 3.3 million are entry level, very little skills and fundamentally require the
employee to A. Be on the job.....B. Be on the job on time.......C. Be able to read/write.
So can these people be replaced by robots/kiosks?
A3. YES... if the costs of operating robots/kiosks are less then $15.00!

So looking at the below standard operating costs of a restaurant with over 30% of expenses being
salaries,wages and employee benefits what would an owner of the restaurant do if the salaries,wages and benefits jumped to say 50%?
GO OUT OF BUSINESS! or let the lower level employees go and replace with robots/kiosks.
Don't need a waiter to take an order or deliver the food.

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

So actually I have no problem with these robots replacing the unskilled teenagers.

We are talking about unskilled workers and how their wages have been frozen for a decade

Their employers have survived other business expenses increasing over the last ten years
They will survive increased wages

No where not, the states and local cities have raised the minimum wage we are talking national and how you want to even the competition of jobs so they don't leave blue States.


.

That is why we have a federal minimum wage
Nothing says states can’t require more

No kidding so let's get to the root of your argument , why do you personally want the minimum wage raised your retired, why do you want to pay more for less? The lefts argument of more people won't be on welfare is a lie because they will still make minimum wage.

 

[Wyatt earp]

In 2016, 79.9 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers.
Among those paid by the hour, 701,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.
About 1.5 million had wages below the federal minimum.

Together, these 2.2 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 2.7 percent of all hourly paid workers.
Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2016 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Now WHAT was the average hourly wage in August 2018?
August 2018 $27.16 per hour. Up from August 2017 of $26.39

The range of AVERAGE hourly rate also depends on the Industry... The highest hourly rate is the Utilities in August 2017 was $38.50 In August 2018 $40.86
Table B-3. Average hourly and weekly earnings of all employees on private nonfarm payrolls by industry sector, seasonally adjusted

So the major point from these FACTs is: It depends on your skill set and with less that 2.2 million working at minimum or less than I'd bet these people were
A) NOT skilled. B) Probably never had a job.
In fact the actually breakdown is this: Age.
Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly paid workers,
they made up about half of those paid the federal minimum wage or less.
Among employed teenagers (ages 16 to 19) paid by the hour, about 10 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 2 percent of workers age 25 and older. (See tables 1 and 7.)
Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2016 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

So with less than 3% of the hourly work force being under age 25 or unskilled, people are all wanting the minimum wage to be raised for workers that either never worked before
or had no skill sets. Just plain economic stupidity on you people!

So you have no problem raising the minimum wage since it affects so few
Minimal impact

Why did you say it would have minimal impact? Remember SKILLED people get paid more because they are SKILLED.
So why should UNSKILLED people get paid more JUST because it makes people "feel" good?
Actually what will happen will be this:
More Flippy robots will be introduced at CaliBurgers next year, with the aim of installing them in 50 of their restaurants worldwide by the end of 2019.

CaliBurger say the benefits include making “food faster, safer and with fewer errors”.
Burger-flipping robot replaces humans on first day at work

So we are debating then in raising the minimum wage to $15.00 for those 1.15 million that truly don't have to earn a living to survive.
They buy tennis shoes, music... not food or shelter.

Q3. The types of jobs these 3.3 million are entry level, very little skills and fundamentally require the
employee to A. Be on the job.....B. Be on the job on time.......C. Be able to read/write.
So can these people be replaced by robots/kiosks?
A3. YES... if the costs of operating robots/kiosks are less then $15.00!

So looking at the below standard operating costs of a restaurant with over 30% of expenses being
salaries,wages and employee benefits what would an owner of the restaurant do if the salaries,wages and benefits jumped to say 50%?
GO OUT OF BUSINESS! or let the lower level employees go and replace with robots/kiosks.
Don't need a waiter to take an order or deliver the food.

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

So actually I have no problem with these robots replacing the unskilled teenagers.

Minimum wage workers use their money to pay for college, a car or other transportation. Their wage used to foot the bill...it no longer does
They take on more debt so that employers can have low cost labor

Other minimum wage workers use it to support themselves or a family (single mothers). In the absence of a fair wage.....the taxpayer must make up the difference

And the tax payer will make up the difference no matter what the national minimum wage is, because they will be making minimum wage



.

No
The employer will be making up the difference for HIS employees
Rather than expect the taxpayers to make up the difference

So in your world more people percentage wise was getting subsidized when the minimum wage was at $3.35 an hour?


The welfare level remained the same and they never raised it?

 

[Mr Natural]

You gotta love the "fuck the worker" mentality around this place.

 

[danielpalos]

raising the minimum wage will raise more tax money than tax cut economics.

 

[healthmyths]

You gotta love the "fuck the worker" mentality around this place.

What a dumb ass comment!

My Dad was a Union factory worker in the 50s and made about $500/month for 4 kids and my mom.
He hated the Unions though because they seemed to always take the side of the lazy, ignorant worker.
So when my Dad worked hard did his job, others he talked about were able to slough off, not do their jobs and the UNION protected them.
So during the 50s when I was being raised WE as a family had 4 gardens shared with neighbors. We worked them and the neighbors got the produce as well as we.
My family had a paper route for 20 years. I mowed lawns for 10 years from age 8 till I went to college at 18.
We shoveled snow for about 10 people one of which was to pay a medical professional in lieu of paying cash.
We would be categorized TODAY as living at the poverty level.
WE never considered ourselves POOR though!
What we did was as a FAMILY worked to put food on the table, to get experiences of being on time and being there.
BUT not once did we consider ourselves poor.

This is the major difference between people like us and evidently like you that expect to be taken care of by the corporation or the govt. everything else but by yourself!
LAZY people look for other people to take care of them.

 

[rightwinger]

So you have no problem raising the minimum wage since it affects so few
Minimal impact

Why did you say it would have minimal impact? Remember SKILLED people get paid more because they are SKILLED.
So why should UNSKILLED people get paid more JUST because it makes people "feel" good?
Actually what will happen will be this:
More Flippy robots will be introduced at CaliBurgers next year, with the aim of installing them in 50 of their restaurants worldwide by the end of 2019.

CaliBurger say the benefits include making “food faster, safer and with fewer errors”.
Burger-flipping robot replaces humans on first day at work

So we are debating then in raising the minimum wage to $15.00 for those 1.15 million that truly don't have to earn a living to survive.
They buy tennis shoes, music... not food or shelter.

Q3. The types of jobs these 3.3 million are entry level, very little skills and fundamentally require the
employee to A. Be on the job.....B. Be on the job on time.......C. Be able to read/write.
So can these people be replaced by robots/kiosks?
A3. YES... if the costs of operating robots/kiosks are less then $15.00!

So looking at the below standard operating costs of a restaurant with over 30% of expenses being
salaries,wages and employee benefits what would an owner of the restaurant do if the salaries,wages and benefits jumped to say 50%?
GO OUT OF BUSINESS! or let the lower level employees go and replace with robots/kiosks.
Don't need a waiter to take an order or deliver the food.

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

So actually I have no problem with these robots replacing the unskilled teenagers.

We are talking about unskilled workers and how their wages have been frozen for a decade

Their employers have survived other business expenses increasing over the last ten years
They will survive increased wages

No where not, the states and local cities have raised the minimum wage we are talking national and how you want to even the competition of jobs so they don't leave blue States.


.

That is why we have a federal minimum wage
Nothing says states can’t require more

No kidding so let's get to the root of your argument , why do you personally want the minimum wage raised your retired, why do you want to pay more for less? The lefts argument of more people won't be on welfare is a lie because they will still make minimum wage.

Because I care more than just about my sorry ass

I look at the deal that our society is giving our young people and compare it to the deal I got.......they are getting screwed

Not just minimum wage workers , but skilled workers and college grads

 

[Wyatt earp]

Why did you say it would have minimal impact? Remember SKILLED people get paid more because they are SKILLED.
So why should UNSKILLED people get paid more JUST because it makes people "feel" good?
Actually what will happen will be this:
More Flippy robots will be introduced at CaliBurgers next year, with the aim of installing them in 50 of their restaurants worldwide by the end of 2019.

CaliBurger say the benefits include making “food faster, safer and with fewer errors”.
Burger-flipping robot replaces humans on first day at work

So we are debating then in raising the minimum wage to $15.00 for those 1.15 million that truly don't have to earn a living to survive.
They buy tennis shoes, music... not food or shelter.

Q3. The types of jobs these 3.3 million are entry level, very little skills and fundamentally require the
employee to A. Be on the job.....B. Be on the job on time.......C. Be able to read/write.
So can these people be replaced by robots/kiosks?
A3. YES... if the costs of operating robots/kiosks are less then $15.00!

So looking at the below standard operating costs of a restaurant with over 30% of expenses being
salaries,wages and employee benefits what would an owner of the restaurant do if the salaries,wages and benefits jumped to say 50%?
GO OUT OF BUSINESS! or let the lower level employees go and replace with robots/kiosks.
Don't need a waiter to take an order or deliver the food.

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

So actually I have no problem with these robots replacing the unskilled teenagers.

We are talking about unskilled workers and how their wages have been frozen for a decade

Their employers have survived other business expenses increasing over the last ten years
They will survive increased wages

No where not, the states and local cities have raised the minimum wage we are talking national and how you want to even the competition of jobs so they don't leave blue States.


.

That is why we have a federal minimum wage
Nothing says states can’t require more

No kidding so let's get to the root of your argument , why do you personally want the minimum wage raised your retired, why do you want to pay more for less? The lefts argument of more people won't be on welfare is a lie because they will still make minimum wage.

Because I care more than just about my sorry ass

I look at the deal that our society is giving our young people and compare it to the deal I got.......they are getting screwed

Not just minimum wage workers , but skilled workers and college grads

Well no kidding they are getting screwed with big company's like amazon, who could pay their 1,000s of employees $15 an hour.. but once again something like 80% of US company's are small and don't have the billions like amazon does

A one size all national minimum wage doesn't do anything, let the states and city's decide like they are doing


.

 

[rightwinger]

We are talking about unskilled workers and how their wages have been frozen for a decade

Their employers have survived other business expenses increasing over the last ten years
They will survive increased wages

No where not, the states and local cities have raised the minimum wage we are talking national and how you want to even the competition of jobs so they don't leave blue States.


.

That is why we have a federal minimum wage
Nothing says states can’t require more

No kidding so let's get to the root of your argument , why do you personally want the minimum wage raised your retired, why do you want to pay more for less? The lefts argument of more people won't be on welfare is a lie because they will still make minimum wage.

Because I care more than just about my sorry ass

I look at the deal that our society is giving our young people and compare it to the deal I got.......they are getting screwed

Not just minimum wage workers , but skilled workers and college grads

Well no kidding they are getting screwed with big company's like amazon, who could pay their 1,000s of employees $15 an hour.. but once again something like 80% of US company's are small and don't have the billions like amazon does

A one size all national minimum wage doesn't do anything, let the states and city's decide like they are doing


.

Amazon is a terrible employer
Workers have an almost impossible quota to fill each day. Any break in routine or error can get you fired
Some have been known to pee in trash containers because leaving the floor on a bathroom break would make them miss their target

 

[danielpalos]

In 2016, 79.9 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers.
Among those paid by the hour, 701,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.
About 1.5 million had wages below the federal minimum.

Together, these 2.2 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 2.7 percent of all hourly paid workers.
Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2016 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

Now WHAT was the average hourly wage in August 2018?
August 2018 $27.16 per hour. Up from August 2017 of $26.39

The range of AVERAGE hourly rate also depends on the Industry... The highest hourly rate is the Utilities in August 2017 was $38.50 In August 2018 $40.86
Table B-3. Average hourly and weekly earnings of all employees on private nonfarm payrolls by industry sector, seasonally adjusted

So the major point from these FACTs is: It depends on your skill set and with less that 2.2 million working at minimum or less than I'd bet these people were
A) NOT skilled. B) Probably never had a job.
In fact the actually breakdown is this: Age.
Minimum wage workers tend to be young. Although workers under age 25 represented only about one-fifth of hourly paid workers,
they made up about half of those paid the federal minimum wage or less.
Among employed teenagers (ages 16 to 19) paid by the hour, about 10 percent earned the minimum wage or less, compared with about 2 percent of workers age 25 and older. (See tables 1 and 7.)
Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2016 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

So with less than 3% of the hourly work force being under age 25 or unskilled, people are all wanting the minimum wage to be raised for workers that either never worked before
or had no skill sets. Just plain economic stupidity on you people!

So you have no problem raising the minimum wage since it affects so few
Minimal impact

Why did you say it would have minimal impact? Remember SKILLED people get paid more because they are SKILLED.
So why should UNSKILLED people get paid more JUST because it makes people "feel" good?
Actually what will happen will be this:
More Flippy robots will be introduced at CaliBurgers next year, with the aim of installing them in 50 of their restaurants worldwide by the end of 2019.

CaliBurger say the benefits include making “food faster, safer and with fewer errors”.
Burger-flipping robot replaces humans on first day at work

So we are debating then in raising the minimum wage to $15.00 for those 1.15 million that truly don't have to earn a living to survive.
They buy tennis shoes, music... not food or shelter.

Q3. The types of jobs these 3.3 million are entry level, very little skills and fundamentally require the
employee to A. Be on the job.....B. Be on the job on time.......C. Be able to read/write.
So can these people be replaced by robots/kiosks?
A3. YES... if the costs of operating robots/kiosks are less then $15.00!

So looking at the below standard operating costs of a restaurant with over 30% of expenses being
salaries,wages and employee benefits what would an owner of the restaurant do if the salaries,wages and benefits jumped to say 50%?
GO OUT OF BUSINESS! or let the lower level employees go and replace with robots/kiosks.
Don't need a waiter to take an order or deliver the food.

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

Robots are already working in fast-food restaurants — here's exactly what they're doing right now

So actually I have no problem with these robots replacing the unskilled teenagers.

Minimum wage workers use their money to pay for college, a car or other transportation. Their wage used to foot the bill...it no longer does
They take on more debt so that employers can have low cost labor

Other minimum wage workers use it to support themselves or a family (single mothers). In the absence of a fair wage.....the taxpayer must make up the difference

And the tax payer will make up the difference no matter what the national minimum wage is, because they will be making minimum wage



.

Social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour, by comparison anyway.