This is hilarious...left wingers defend Sharia law...you know, where being gay is against the law...

[Coyote]

Because that's not what it is. Not really. "Anti-Sharia" has become the legitimizing code for "Anti-Muslim" - in the same way that "Anti-Zionism" is the code for "anti-semitic".

Anti-sharia is anti-sharia. Those that are not anti-sharia are defecto for sharia.

And I suppose anti-zionims is anti-zionism then And no, not being anti- anything does not automatically mean you are pro-anything.

Do you have a problem with business selling halal meat?

Well, for example, not being against rape is at best being indifferent to it which isn't much better than being for rape. Now replaced rape with sharia law and you will understand what I mean.

The problem is - rape is a crime. It's a specific act.

"Sharia" is a body of law both civil and criminal, that is most analogous to Jewish law. It's a body of Quran-based guidance that helps Muslims live an Islamic life. Most people think only of the penal part of it, and even then - only in the way it is applied in the most extreme countries or by groups like ISIS. Even the penalties, while barbaric - require a significant amount of evidence first. Most Muslims who follow Sharia conceptually, do not think of it as a substitute for civil or criminal law. So if you are anti-Sharia - what are you actually against?

If you are against punishments like stoning, death penalty for adulterers and homosexuals - I totally agree. But I'm not too worried about it in this country because it would never pass Constitutional muster.

That's interesting then how did it pass German laws?

Germany Submits to Sharia Law: "A parallel justice system has established itself in Germany"

• A German court has ruled that seven Islamists who formed a vigilante patrol to enforce Sharia law on the streets of Wuppertal did not break German law and were simply exercising their right to free speech. The "politically correct" decision, which may be appealed, effectively authorizes the Sharia Police to continue enforcing Islamic law in Wuppertal.
  
  
• The self-appointed "Sharia Police" distributed leaflets which established a "Sharia-controlled zone" in Wuppertal. The men urged both Muslim and non-Muslim passersby to attend mosques and to refrain from alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, gambling, music, pornography and prostitution.
  
  
• Critics say the cases — especially those in which German law has taken a back seat to Sharia law — reflect a dangerous encroachment of Islamic law into the German legal system.
  
  
• In June 2013, a court in Hamm ruled that anyone who contracts marriage according to Islamic law in a Muslim country and later seeks a divorce in Germany must abide by the original terms established by Sharia law. The landmark ruling effectively legalized the Sharia practice of "triple-talaq," obtaining a divorce by reciting the phrase "I divorce you" three times.
  
  
• A growing number of Muslims in Germany are consciously bypassing German courts altogether and instead are adjudicating their disputes in informal Sharia courts, which are proliferating across the country.
  
  
• "If the rule of law fails to establish its authority and demand respect for itself, then it can immediately declare its bankruptcy." — Franz Solms-Laubach, Bild's parliamentary correspondent.

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I don't have enough info to discuss it (I'll have to read up on it) - but Germany has a very different legal system then we do.

 

[Coyote]

Nope. Not defending sharia law and those who want sharia law like Kim Davis at all.

Yep...the left is supporting a system of law that beats women, and stones gays.....

sharia is everything the left lies about christianity about...but they embrace it....because they are insane....

This is what the left wing is defending......

Sharia - Wikipedia

Criminal cases[edit]
A confession, an oath, or the oral testimony of Muslim witnesses are the main evidence admissible, in sharia courts, for hudud crimes, that is the religious crimes of adultery, fornication, rape, accusing someone of illicit sex but failing to prove it, apostasy, drinking intoxicants and theft.[105][106][107][108] Testimony must be from at least two free Muslim male witnesses, or one Muslim male and two Muslim females, who are not related parties and who are of sound mind and reliable character. Testimony to establish the crime of adultery, fornication or rape must be from four Muslim male witnesses, with some fiqhs allowing substitution of up to three male with six female witnesses; however, at least one must be a Muslim male.[109] Forensic evidence (i.e., fingerprints, ballistics, blood samples, DNA etc.) and other circumstantial evidence is likewise rejected in hudud cases in favor of eyewitnesses, a practice which can cause severe difficulties for women plaintiffs in rape cases.[110][111]

Muslim jurists have debated whether and when coerced confession and coerced witnesses are acceptable.[citation needed] In the Ottoman Criminal Code, the executive officials were allowed to use torture only if the accused had a bad reputation and there were already indications of his guilt, such as when stolen goods were found in his house, if he was accused of grievous bodily harm by the victim or if a criminal during investigation mentioned him as an accomplice.[112] Confessions obtained under torture could not be used as a ground for awarding punishment unless they were corroborated by circumstantial evidence.[112]

So, the same bunch who are constantly whining about blacks being considered 3/5ths a person over 150 years ago are now fully supportive of a religion that considers women less than half a man? OhhhhKaaayy.

Who is fully supportive?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Many religious communities maintain their own quasi legal system where civil issues are handled internally. It includes Christian sects, Orthodox Jews, Amish, Mormons

It's probably not fair to compare either of these to Islam and Sharia, but speaking specific ally for my own faith, do not lump Mormons into this. We certainly do not, as a religion, claim the right to impose punishments against life, liberty, or property, as is claimed under Sharia.

To quite from our own scriptures, Doctrine and Covenants 134:10:

We believe that all religious societies have a right to deal with their members for disorderly conduct, according to the rules and regulations of such societies; provided that such dealings be for fellowship and good standing; but we do not believe that any religious society has authority to try men on the right of property or life, to take from them this world’s goods, or to put them in jeopardy of either life or limb, or to inflict any physical punishment upon them. They can only excommunicate them from their society, and withdraw from them their fellowship.​

 

[MindWars]

There was a fight between people trying to oppose religious intolerance, known as islam and it's sharia law....and those the morons on the left actually supporting sharia...where they refuse to let women have the same rights as men.....and stone gays to death...

The left wing is insane....

Fight breaks out at anti-Sharia protest

The "March Against Sharia" is aimed at opposing what ACT for American perceives as the spread of Islamic law in the United States. Counter-protesters and civil rights advocates gathered in some cities to push back against the marches.

It wasn't immediately clear what prompted the clash between protesters and counter-protesters in Seattle, and the violence appeared to subside relatively quickly.

Where are they defending Sharia?

The march isn't about Sharia. It's just anti-muslim march. That's like saying people who object to the KKK marching are defending racism.

It's is about ANTI SHARIA not MUSLIM as you try to push the lie agenda.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

So you support our right to be Trans? That is good to know.

Yep, you have the right to cut your dick off and take female harmones and pretend to be a woman if you like. But stay out of the girls locker room while you still have a penis.

Even after. A man with his penis cut off is still a man (a eunuch, at least) and has no damn business being in the ladies' room.

 

[RightyTighty]

The regressives have decided to defend a religion that treats women as second-class citizens and gays even below that.

Name one that doesn't?

Perfect.

You are the epitome of the Regressive Leftist.

Thanks. This brave liberal Muslim has to fight both you AND the jihadists, risking his life, every fucking day.

Congratulations, that's quite a team you're on.
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Asked to name a religion that treats women and gays fairly, as equals, Mac in the middle punts on 1st down to returns to his most favorite (and wrong) statement.

 

[RightyTighty]

There was a fight between people trying to oppose religious intolerance, known as islam and it's sharia law....and those the morons on the left actually supporting sharia...where they refuse to let women have the same rights as men.....and stone gays to death...

The left wing is insane....

Fight breaks out at anti-Sharia protest

The "March Against Sharia" is aimed at opposing what ACT for American perceives as the spread of Islamic law in the United States. Counter-protesters and civil rights advocates gathered in some cities to push back against the marches.

It wasn't immediately clear what prompted the clash between protesters and counter-protesters in Seattle, and the violence appeared to subside relatively quickly.

Where are they defending Sharia?

The march isn't about Sharia. It's just anti-muslim march. That's like saying people who object to the KKK marching are defending racism.

It's is about ANTI SHARIA not MUSLIM as you try to push the lie agenda.

Let's start with this very basic fact - we don't have Sharia law here (and never will). This is a secular nation. Got it?

 

[RightyTighty]

There was a fight between people trying to oppose religious intolerance, known as islam and it's sharia law....and those the morons on the left actually supporting sharia...where they refuse to let women have the same rights as men.....and stone gays to death...

The left wing is insane....

Fight breaks out at anti-Sharia protest

The "March Against Sharia" is aimed at opposing what ACT for American perceives as the spread of Islamic law in the United States. Counter-protesters and civil rights advocates gathered in some cities to push back against the marches.

It wasn't immediately clear what prompted the clash between protesters and counter-protesters in Seattle, and the violence appeared to subside relatively quickly.

Where are they defending Sharia?

The march isn't about Sharia. It's just anti-muslim march. That's like saying people who object to the KKK marching are defending racism.

No...the march is against the imposition of sharia in local, state and federal jurisdictions...the counter march is showing the muslims how stupid the left is.....

muslim extremists want to impose sharia in this country, as they have done in Britain, France and Germany in the enclaves they control.......you asswipes have no idea what you are doing.....

you guys are sitting there essentially supporting the nazis...while those who oppose the nazis are your enemies...

And just where in this nation has that happened, you dumb fuck? You are trying to justify your blind hatred and racism.

I don't hate anyone you stupid fuck......The U.S. Constitution is completely and utterly incompatible with sharia law......and if we don't stand against it now...we will end up with No Go Zones just like Britain and the rest of Europe.

Save the sky is falling panic, little mouse. Be a man, for once.

 

[Zoom-boing]

 

[bodecea]

Who's defending the treatment of women as second class citizens or the abuse of gays, Mac? Maybe you can provide a link?

Or - are you confusing defending religious freedom with defending illegal actions done in the name of religion?

Here's an answer from a REAL liberal, a guy who puts his life on the line every single day.
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How about YOU answer in your words instead of repeatedly posting the same imagery?

Who's defending the treatment of women as second class citizens or the abuse of gays, Mac? Maybe you can provide a link?

Or - are you confusing defending religious freedom with defending illegal actions done in the name of religion?

You'll notice I have never used the term "defending". Ever. You're more than welcome to provide a link if I'm wrong.

I say "spin" and "deflect", and there are thousands of examples on this board, for anyone who is honest.

I agree with the honest liberal above, a guy who puts his life on the line every day. You can disagree to your heart's content.
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You just did earlier - when you said regressives are defending a religion that so on and so forth. It's there in your words.

So who is defending those things?

Who is defending the religion overall? The Regressive Left. Thousands of posts, all over this board. The same people who attack Christians at every opportunity.
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You equate defending our 1st Amendment with "defending a religion"....interesting. It is a funny thing, I have often said something about islam and I get accused of defending that religion...then I say the exact same thing about christianity and get accused of hating that religion.

It's a funny thing.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

The left is pathetic.

They will throw equality, abortion rights, gay marriage, transgender rights, etc, under the bus, for Islam and it's followers.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Where are they defending Sharia?

The march isn't about Sharia. It's just anti-muslim march. That's like saying people who object to the KKK marching are defending racism.

We got rid of the KKK that wanted to kill people, you are promoting bringing them back under another form.


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Where am I promoting anything of the kind?

Sounds like you are..



Sharia judicial proceedings have significant differences from other legal traditions, including those in bothcommon law and civil law. Sharia courts traditionally do not rely on lawyers;plaintiffs and defendants represent themselves. Trials are conducted solely by the judge, and there is no jury system. There is no pre-trial discovery process, and no cross-examination of witnesses. Unlike common law, judges' verdicts do not set binding precedents[95][96] under the principle of stare decisis,[97] and unlike civil law, sharia is left to the interpretation in each case and has no formally codified universal statutes.[98]

The rules of evidence in sharia courts also maintain a distinctive custom of prioritizing oral testimony.[99] Witnesses, in a sharia court system, must be faithful, that is Muslim.[100] Male Muslim witnesses are deemed more reliable than female Muslim witnesses, and non-Muslim witnesses considered unreliable and receive no priority in a sharia court.[101][102] In civil cases in some countries, a Muslim woman witness is considered half the worth and reliability than a Muslim man witness.[103][104] In criminal cases, women witnesses are unacceptable in stricter, traditional interpretations of sharia, such as those found in Hanbali madhhab.[100]



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Really, really stupid. Nobody is going to institute sharia law in the US.

So are you saying Mexicans all assimilated in the US and we didn't see assnine people making kids take off their America T shirts and crap so not to offend a Mexican?


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Dearborn Michigan proves my point








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[DigitalDrifter]

The regressives have decided to defend a religion that treats women as second-class citizens and gays even below that.

Name one that doesn't?

So then how come you guys on the left don't crack jokes, or make fun, or bash Islam like you do Christianity ? Psssssssst, I know the answer, but I want to hear yours.

 

[RightyTighty]

The regressives have decided to defend a religion that treats women as second-class citizens and gays even below that.

Name one that doesn't?

So then how come you guys on the left don't crack jokes, or make fun, or bash Islam like you do Christianity ? Psssssssst, I know the answer, but I want to hear yours.

Muslims aren't trying to fuck up the country with their religious bullshit morality, the Christians are. We don't have to bitch about the Jews here either, there aren't enough of them to fill a Motel 6 swimming pool.

 

[RightyTighty]

The left is pathetic.

They will throw equality, abortion rights, gay marriage, transgender rights, etc, under the bus, for Islam and it's followers.

Ah, no. This is a secular nation.

 

[rightwinger]

Where am I promoting anything of the kind?

Sounds like you are..



Sharia judicial proceedings have significant differences from other legal traditions, including those in bothcommon law and civil law. Sharia courts traditionally do not rely on lawyers;plaintiffs and defendants represent themselves. Trials are conducted solely by the judge, and there is no jury system. There is no pre-trial discovery process, and no cross-examination of witnesses. Unlike common law, judges' verdicts do not set binding precedents[95][96] under the principle of stare decisis,[97] and unlike civil law, sharia is left to the interpretation in each case and has no formally codified universal statutes.[98]

The rules of evidence in sharia courts also maintain a distinctive custom of prioritizing oral testimony.[99] Witnesses, in a sharia court system, must be faithful, that is Muslim.[100] Male Muslim witnesses are deemed more reliable than female Muslim witnesses, and non-Muslim witnesses considered unreliable and receive no priority in a sharia court.[101][102] In civil cases in some countries, a Muslim woman witness is considered half the worth and reliability than a Muslim man witness.[103][104] In criminal cases, women witnesses are unacceptable in stricter, traditional interpretations of sharia, such as those found in Hanbali madhhab.[100]



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Really, really stupid. Nobody is going to institute sharia law in the US.

Then why be upset against protesting against sharia law?

Because that's not what it is. Not really. "Anti-Sharia" has become the legitimizing code for "Anti-Muslim" - in the same way that "Anti-Zionism" is the code for "anti-semitic".

Anti-sharia is anti-sharia. Those that are not anti-sharia are defecto for sharia.

What do you care about religious practices in other countries?

We do not have to worry about Sharia here....we have something called a Constitution

 

[skookerasbil]

What else can you conclude except these people have some secret passion for being tossed off buildings!

 

[deanrd]

There was a fight between people trying to oppose religious intolerance, known as islam and it's sharia law....and those the morons on the left actually supporting sharia...where they refuse to let women have the same rights as men.....and stone gays to death...

The left wing is insane....

Fight breaks out at anti-Sharia protest

The "March Against Sharia" is aimed at opposing what ACT for American perceives as the spread of Islamic law in the United States. Counter-protesters and civil rights advocates gathered in some cities to push back against the marches.

It wasn't immediately clear what prompted the clash between protesters and counter-protesters in Seattle, and the violence appeared to subside relatively quickly.

Why do you care? Republicans want gays dead. Republicans have wanted gays dead for years. They would do it themselves if they didn't fear the law. It's something everyone knows.

 

[Political Junky]

Nope. Not defending sharia law and those who want sharia law like Kim Davis at all.

Yep...the left is supporting a system of law that beats women, and stones gays.....

sharia is everything the left lies about christianity about...but they embrace it....because they are insane....

This is what the left wing is defending......

Sharia - Wikipedia

Criminal cases[edit]
A confession, an oath, or the oral testimony of Muslim witnesses are the main evidence admissible, in sharia courts, for hudud crimes, that is the religious crimes of adultery, fornication, rape, accusing someone of illicit sex but failing to prove it, apostasy, drinking intoxicants and theft.[105][106][107][108] Testimony must be from at least two free Muslim male witnesses, or one Muslim male and two Muslim females, who are not related parties and who are of sound mind and reliable character. Testimony to establish the crime of adultery, fornication or rape must be from four Muslim male witnesses, with some fiqhs allowing substitution of up to three male with six female witnesses; however, at least one must be a Muslim male.[109] Forensic evidence (i.e., fingerprints, ballistics, blood samples, DNA etc.) and other circumstantial evidence is likewise rejected in hudud cases in favor of eyewitnesses, a practice which can cause severe difficulties for women plaintiffs in rape cases.[110][111]

Muslim jurists have debated whether and when coerced confession and coerced witnesses are acceptable.[citation needed] In the Ottoman Criminal Code, the executive officials were allowed to use torture only if the accused had a bad reputation and there were already indications of his guilt, such as when stolen goods were found in his house, if he was accused of grievous bodily harm by the victim or if a criminal during investigation mentioned him as an accomplice.[112] Confessions obtained under torture could not be used as a ground for awarding punishment unless they were corroborated by circumstantial evidence.[112]

If left to the Alt-Right, things would be the same here.

 

[Mac1958]

You'll notice I have never used the term "defending". Ever. You're more than welcome to provide a link if I'm wrong.

I say "spin" and "deflect", and there are thousands of examples on this board, for anyone who is honest.

I agree with the honest liberal above, a guy who puts his life on the line every day. You can disagree to your heart's content.
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You just did earlier - when you said regressives are defending a religion that so on and so forth. It's there in your words.

So who is defending those things?

Who is defending the religion overall? The Regressive Left. Thousands of posts, all over this board. The same people who attack Christians at every opportunity.
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Or are they defending RELIGIOUS FREEDOM? There's good stuff and crap stuff in all religions - you can defend the good, and attack the crap - or, say it's all crap but support their right to follow the crap in this country where religious freedom is an important foundation.

I would agree with you if I saw anything approaching balance.

Instead, what I see is a non-stop assault on any and every Christian value, and a non-stop defense of every Islamic action. On USMB alone, insult after insult after insult of Christians, and consistent, passionate defense of Islam, no matter what.

And I'm a comfy agnostic, by the way. But this is blatant and obvious. The Left has clearly made a choice.

Great. The Left can live with it.
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I agree, there are a lot of attacks on Christians - but a lot of defenders as well. I see very few defenders of Muslims, and those that do are dog piled. How many anti-Muslim threads do you see on USMB compared to anti-Christian threads? And most of those are by the same predictable individuals.

Shouldn't we fight against broad brushing instead of labeling those who do "regressives"?

The numbers are irrelevant. In every thread about Muslims, there is Regressive Leftist (a term I borrow from a liberal Muslim) who does the same thing every time: Deflect, pivot, attack. There are thousands of examples of this to anyone whose eyes are open.

The group of people who regularly do this is identifiable by their actions, and I agree with the liberal Muslim who coined the term. He's fighting for a Reformation of Islam, his life is in danger every day, and he is having to fight against jihadists and regressives.

The regressives have chosen their side in this debate, and they can live with it.
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