This woman disproves gun control beliefs.....

[PredFan]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

Murder rates drop as concealed carry permits soar: report

And they've dropped in states that didn't significantly increase the number of CCW permits.

As I said, if the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

"Significantly" is the key word that you are using to spin things to your view. The reality is that more guns means less crime.

 

[PredFan]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

And more Americans carrying guns did not increase the gun crime rate, did it?

Crime when down in states where more americans *weren't* carrying guns.

Again, if your 'effect' exists even when you 'cause' doesn't....your cause isn't.

Bull shit.

 

[PredFan]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

Murder rates drop as concealed carry permits soar: report

And they've dropped in states that didn't significantly increase the number of CCW permits.

As I said, if the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

They dropped more in states that did increase their concealed carry permits......

Mighty strange coincidence that crime just 'happened' to drop sharply in States without an increase in CCW permits, isn't it?

And even John Lott...professional pro-gun advocate ....has admitted that he can't establish *causation* between CCWs and crime rates.

Yet you're insisting you can?

You have no case unless you can show a decrease in states that do not allow CCW permits at all. If there are still permits, there is still a threat to perps and less crime.

 

[PredFan]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

And more Americans carrying guns did not increase the gun crime rate, did it?

Crime when down in states where more americans *weren't* carrying guns.

Again, if your 'effect' exists even when you 'cause' doesn't....your cause isn't.

Wrong....please site your anti gun source for that...

Report: Number Of Concealed Carry Permits Surges As Violent Crime Rate Drops

Using that foundation, the report finds that the six states that allow people to carry concealed handguns without a permit have much lower murder and violent crime rates than the six states with the lowest permit rates. Additionally, the murder rate is nearly one-quarter (23 percent) lower in states not requiring permits, and the violent crime rate is 12 percent lower.

The murder and violent crime rates are lower in the 25 states with the highest permit rates compared to the rest of the U.S.

The 'Crime Prevention Reasearch Center'. Founded by (shocker)....professional gun advocate John Lott.

Didn't you argue that we can't trust studies from people with gun biases? That's what you told me when you insisted we ignore EVERY study that contradicts any part of your narrative.

Oh, and John Lott does not claim causation between CCW and violent crime rates.

Undeniable fact #1, CCW licenses are up all across the nation.
Undeniable fact #2, crime is down all across the nation.
Undeniable fact #3. The very least you can rationally and logically state is that increases in gun ownership and CCW permits do not increase crime.

Therefor the OP is correct, the left wing line about gun control is as usual, wrong.

 

[PredFan]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

And more Americans carrying guns did not increase the gun crime rate, did it?

Violent crime went up in wi when they got concealed carry.

Bull shit.

 

[Wilbur Right]

U.S.
U.S. GUN OWNERSHIP DECLINES
BY STAV ZIV ON 3/10/15 AT
U.S.GUNSGUN OWNERSHIPGUN LAWS
Updated | The number of American households that own one or more guns has again reached its lowest point, according to data from a survey released March 3.

Gun ownership is now back at the low point it reached in 2010: Only 32 percent of Americans own a firearm or live with someone who does, compared with about half the population in the late 1970s and early 1980s, according to the 2014 General Social Survey (GSS). The survey is a project of independent research organization NORC at the University of Chicago, with principal funding from the National Science Foundation.

The poll also found that 22 percent of Americans personally own a firearm, down from a high of 31 percent in 1985. The percentage of men who own a firearm is down from 50 percent in 1980 to 35 percent in 2014, while the number of women who own a gun has remained relatively steady since 1980, coming in at 12 percent in 2014.




Murder rate down. Numbers of Americans with a gun is down.
So how does the declining murder rate jive with less guns in people's hands?

Must be that ONLY those carrying a gun are targeted by criminals.

 

[Brain357]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

And more Americans carrying guns did not increase the gun crime rate, did it?

Violent crime went up in wi when they got concealed carry.

Bull shit.

You obviously didn't bother looking at the numbers.

Political Heat: Has concealed carry made WI safer? The evidence says no

 

[hadit]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

If a crime never happens because a potential victim is armed, it never gets reported or counted.

I have yet to see an anti-gunner post a sign outside his home stating that it is a gun-free zone. They intuitively understand that a potential assailant would be MORE likely to target such a house. Their actions belie their words.

 

[hadit]

There are no numbers to represent the amount of crimes prevented by a perp knowing a homeowner is armed or a potential mugging victim is armed. Crime statistics around the country show a decrease in violent crimes as CCW permits and gun ownership increases. The only place that violent crimes are on the rise is on places with strict gun control.

Actually, they show a decrease as gun ownership rates go DOWN. And violent crime went down across the US. Including States that didn't have CCWs increases.

If the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

Murder rates drop as concealed carry permits soar: report

And they've dropped in states that didn't significantly increase the number of CCW permits.

As I said, if the decrease in crime occurs if CCWs are expanded...or if they're not......then clearly CCWs aren't the cause.

They dropped more in states that did increase their concealed carry permits......

And again.....allowing Americans to carry guns for self defense does not increase the crime rate or the gun murder rate...right?

The crime rates go down, fewer citizens feel the need to arm themselves. Crime rates go up, more citizens feel the need to arm themselves, and so it goes. Crime rates become a driver, as well as an indicator.

 

[ChrisL]

the anti gun nuts tell us that women can't use a gun against a man. They tell is the gun will be easily taken away from her. They tell us that any attack will be an ambush and no woman will be able to use a gun to stop that kind of attack......

Except this woman did......she was ambushed, had her head banged against an object, probably her car, and was forced into her car....and then shot the a**hole twice......

I don't think she is a Navy Seal....

Woman Shoots Stalker in Neck, Buttocks

‘When the elevator opened on the sixth floor, the victim states she began to run to her vehicle, which was parked about 10 spots away from the elevator. The victim stated the suspect gave chase,’ the police report states.

She ran to her car where Ganobick pushed in behind her. He held her at knifepoint and screamed at her to give him all of her money while smashing her head into an unknown object. The victim stated Ganobick repeatedly used his knee to force her into the passenger seat, fearing for her life, she pulled out the great equalizer.

‘The victim stated she was afraid that she would be raped or murdered and as she fell across the passenger seat of her vehicle, she was able to reach into her purse and grab her gun and attempt to fire a shot at the suspect,’ the report states.

The woman pulled a Beretta handgun out of her purse and began to squeeze the trigger. She states the gun did not fire at first, so she continued to pull the trigger until it did, finally shooting Ganobick in the neck, but that didn’t stop him.

I would take my chances with rather than without a gun. Of course there will be situations when you cannot get to your weapon, but there will also be times when you CAN get to your weapon! Good for her.

 

[ChrisL]

That's because they don't exist or the defender is involved in criminal activity.

According to this between 100,000 and 300,000 per year is a likely number. How Often Do We Use Guns in Self-Defense? - Businessweek

One researcher at FSU says 2 million per year.

The brain already knows the statistics. I, as well as multiple other people, have repeatedly posted the studies for him. He refuses to acknowledge facts.

 

[Brain357]

That's because they don't exist or the defender is involved in criminal activity.

According to this between 100,000 and 300,000 per year is a likely number. How Often Do We Use Guns in Self-Defense? - Businessweek

One researcher at FSU says 2 million per year.

The brain already knows the statistics. I, as well as multiple other people, have repeatedly posted the studies for him. He refuses to acknowledge facts.

You have posted debunked surveys that are not supported by anything in reality. The reality is most people have never had a dgu, nor do they know anyone who has. The largest survey is by the NCVS and says about 100k dgu per year. That is probably fairly accurate. Many of those dgu of course aren't actually lawful.

 

[bodecea]

the anti gun nuts tell us that women can't use a gun against a man. They tell is the gun will be easily taken away from her. They tell us that any attack will be an ambush and no woman will be able to use a gun to stop that kind of attack......

Except this woman did......she was ambushed, had her head banged against an object, probably her car, and was forced into her car....and then shot the a**hole twice......

I don't think she is a Navy Seal....

Woman Shoots Stalker in Neck, Buttocks

‘When the elevator opened on the sixth floor, the victim states she began to run to her vehicle, which was parked about 10 spots away from the elevator. The victim stated the suspect gave chase,’ the police report states.

She ran to her car where Ganobick pushed in behind her. He held her at knifepoint and screamed at her to give him all of her money while smashing her head into an unknown object. The victim stated Ganobick repeatedly used his knee to force her into the passenger seat, fearing for her life, she pulled out the great equalizer.

‘The victim stated she was afraid that she would be raped or murdered and as she fell across the passenger seat of her vehicle, she was able to reach into her purse and grab her gun and attempt to fire a shot at the suspect,’ the report states.

The woman pulled a Beretta handgun out of her purse and began to squeeze the trigger. She states the gun did not fire at first, so she continued to pull the trigger until it did, finally shooting Ganobick in the neck, but that didn’t stop him.

Can you give us an example of someone saying such a thing?

 

[hadit]

the anti gun nuts tell us that women can't use a gun against a man. They tell is the gun will be easily taken away from her. They tell us that any attack will be an ambush and no woman will be able to use a gun to stop that kind of attack......

Except this woman did......she was ambushed, had her head banged against an object, probably her car, and was forced into her car....and then shot the a**hole twice......

I don't think she is a Navy Seal....

Woman Shoots Stalker in Neck, Buttocks

‘When the elevator opened on the sixth floor, the victim states she began to run to her vehicle, which was parked about 10 spots away from the elevator. The victim stated the suspect gave chase,’ the police report states.

She ran to her car where Ganobick pushed in behind her. He held her at knifepoint and screamed at her to give him all of her money while smashing her head into an unknown object. The victim stated Ganobick repeatedly used his knee to force her into the passenger seat, fearing for her life, she pulled out the great equalizer.

‘The victim stated she was afraid that she would be raped or murdered and as she fell across the passenger seat of her vehicle, she was able to reach into her purse and grab her gun and attempt to fire a shot at the suspect,’ the report states.

The woman pulled a Beretta handgun out of her purse and began to squeeze the trigger. She states the gun did not fire at first, so she continued to pull the trigger until it did, finally shooting Ganobick in the neck, but that didn’t stop him.

I would take my chances with rather than without a gun. Of course there will be situations when you cannot get to your weapon, but there will also be times when you CAN get to your weapon! Good for her.

A woman with a gun has an option that a woman without a gun does not. It comes down to this, do we trust a woman to use a weapon to defend herself or not? Apparently, anti-gunners do not trust women to make that decision for themselves.

 

[Brain357]

the anti gun nuts tell us that women can't use a gun against a man. They tell is the gun will be easily taken away from her. They tell us that any attack will be an ambush and no woman will be able to use a gun to stop that kind of attack......

Except this woman did......she was ambushed, had her head banged against an object, probably her car, and was forced into her car....and then shot the a**hole twice......

I don't think she is a Navy Seal....

Woman Shoots Stalker in Neck, Buttocks

‘When the elevator opened on the sixth floor, the victim states she began to run to her vehicle, which was parked about 10 spots away from the elevator. The victim stated the suspect gave chase,’ the police report states.

She ran to her car where Ganobick pushed in behind her. He held her at knifepoint and screamed at her to give him all of her money while smashing her head into an unknown object. The victim stated Ganobick repeatedly used his knee to force her into the passenger seat, fearing for her life, she pulled out the great equalizer.

‘The victim stated she was afraid that she would be raped or murdered and as she fell across the passenger seat of her vehicle, she was able to reach into her purse and grab her gun and attempt to fire a shot at the suspect,’ the report states.

The woman pulled a Beretta handgun out of her purse and began to squeeze the trigger. She states the gun did not fire at first, so she continued to pull the trigger until it did, finally shooting Ganobick in the neck, but that didn’t stop him.

I would take my chances with rather than without a gun. Of course there will be situations when you cannot get to your weapon, but there will also be times when you CAN get to your weapon! Good for her.

A woman with a gun has an option that a woman without a gun does not. It comes down to this, do we trust a woman to use a weapon to defend herself or not? Apparently, anti-gunners do not trust women to make that decision for themselves.

Guns aren't for everyone. Take the woman who was just shot by her 4 year old. She was not responsible enough for a gun. I don't see how gender matters.

 

[hadit]

the anti gun nuts tell us that women can't use a gun against a man. They tell is the gun will be easily taken away from her. They tell us that any attack will be an ambush and no woman will be able to use a gun to stop that kind of attack......

Except this woman did......she was ambushed, had her head banged against an object, probably her car, and was forced into her car....and then shot the a**hole twice......

I don't think she is a Navy Seal....

Woman Shoots Stalker in Neck, Buttocks

‘When the elevator opened on the sixth floor, the victim states she began to run to her vehicle, which was parked about 10 spots away from the elevator. The victim stated the suspect gave chase,’ the police report states.

She ran to her car where Ganobick pushed in behind her. He held her at knifepoint and screamed at her to give him all of her money while smashing her head into an unknown object. The victim stated Ganobick repeatedly used his knee to force her into the passenger seat, fearing for her life, she pulled out the great equalizer.

‘The victim stated she was afraid that she would be raped or murdered and as she fell across the passenger seat of her vehicle, she was able to reach into her purse and grab her gun and attempt to fire a shot at the suspect,’ the report states.

The woman pulled a Beretta handgun out of her purse and began to squeeze the trigger. She states the gun did not fire at first, so she continued to pull the trigger until it did, finally shooting Ganobick in the neck, but that didn’t stop him.

I would take my chances with rather than without a gun. Of course there will be situations when you cannot get to your weapon, but there will also be times when you CAN get to your weapon! Good for her.

A woman with a gun has an option that a woman without a gun does not. It comes down to this, do we trust a woman to use a weapon to defend herself or not? Apparently, anti-gunners do not trust women to make that decision for themselves.

Guns aren't for everyone. Take the woman who was just shot by her 4 year old. She was not responsible enough for a gun. I don't see how gender matters.

Women are more vulnerable to attack than men are for several reasons. They're generally smaller than men and they get raped a lot more often than men do. They thus benefit from personal protection to a greater degree than men do. And no, guns are not for everyone. I don't see anyone trying to make that case. What I do see happening is people trying to make the case that women should not be able to choose if they want a gun for personal protection. Sure an assailant MAY be able to get a gun away from a woman, but should it not be her choice if she wants to take that chance?

 

[Brain357]

the anti gun nuts tell us that women can't use a gun against a man. They tell is the gun will be easily taken away from her. They tell us that any attack will be an ambush and no woman will be able to use a gun to stop that kind of attack......

Except this woman did......she was ambushed, had her head banged against an object, probably her car, and was forced into her car....and then shot the a**hole twice......

I don't think she is a Navy Seal....

Woman Shoots Stalker in Neck, Buttocks

‘When the elevator opened on the sixth floor, the victim states she began to run to her vehicle, which was parked about 10 spots away from the elevator. The victim stated the suspect gave chase,’ the police report states.

She ran to her car where Ganobick pushed in behind her. He held her at knifepoint and screamed at her to give him all of her money while smashing her head into an unknown object. The victim stated Ganobick repeatedly used his knee to force her into the passenger seat, fearing for her life, she pulled out the great equalizer.

‘The victim stated she was afraid that she would be raped or murdered and as she fell across the passenger seat of her vehicle, she was able to reach into her purse and grab her gun and attempt to fire a shot at the suspect,’ the report states.

The woman pulled a Beretta handgun out of her purse and began to squeeze the trigger. She states the gun did not fire at first, so she continued to pull the trigger until it did, finally shooting Ganobick in the neck, but that didn’t stop him.

I would take my chances with rather than without a gun. Of course there will be situations when you cannot get to your weapon, but there will also be times when you CAN get to your weapon! Good for her.

A woman with a gun has an option that a woman without a gun does not. It comes down to this, do we trust a woman to use a weapon to defend herself or not? Apparently, anti-gunners do not trust women to make that decision for themselves.

Guns aren't for everyone. Take the woman who was just shot by her 4 year old. She was not responsible enough for a gun. I don't see how gender matters.

Women are more vulnerable to attack than men are for several reasons. They're generally smaller than men and they get raped a lot more often than men do. They thus benefit from personal protection to a greater degree than men do. And no, guns are not for everyone. I don't see anyone trying to make that case. What I do see happening is people trying to make the case that women should not be able to choose if they want a gun for personal protection. Sure an assailant MAY be able to get a gun away from a woman, but should it not be her choice if she wants to take that chance?

Have you not seen 2aguy? He will tell you everyone needs a gun at all times.

A woman can do everything a man can. Not aware of anyone saying they should not have the option. They should be aware however that for many people having a gun just makes them more likely to have an accident like the shot in back woman, Walmart woman shot dead by her kid, or woman with bra holster who shot herself dead. Most people in this country have no need for a gun.

There are also people in jail who thought they had a lawful defense. Lot of responsibility with guns.

 

[hadit]

the anti gun nuts tell us that women can't use a gun against a man. They tell is the gun will be easily taken away from her. They tell us that any attack will be an ambush and no woman will be able to use a gun to stop that kind of attack......

Except this woman did......she was ambushed, had her head banged against an object, probably her car, and was forced into her car....and then shot the a**hole twice......

I don't think she is a Navy Seal....

Woman Shoots Stalker in Neck, Buttocks

‘When the elevator opened on the sixth floor, the victim states she began to run to her vehicle, which was parked about 10 spots away from the elevator. The victim stated the suspect gave chase,’ the police report states.

She ran to her car where Ganobick pushed in behind her. He held her at knifepoint and screamed at her to give him all of her money while smashing her head into an unknown object. The victim stated Ganobick repeatedly used his knee to force her into the passenger seat, fearing for her life, she pulled out the great equalizer.

‘The victim stated she was afraid that she would be raped or murdered and as she fell across the passenger seat of her vehicle, she was able to reach into her purse and grab her gun and attempt to fire a shot at the suspect,’ the report states.

The woman pulled a Beretta handgun out of her purse and began to squeeze the trigger. She states the gun did not fire at first, so she continued to pull the trigger until it did, finally shooting Ganobick in the neck, but that didn’t stop him.

I would take my chances with rather than without a gun. Of course there will be situations when you cannot get to your weapon, but there will also be times when you CAN get to your weapon! Good for her.

A woman with a gun has an option that a woman without a gun does not. It comes down to this, do we trust a woman to use a weapon to defend herself or not? Apparently, anti-gunners do not trust women to make that decision for themselves.

Guns aren't for everyone. Take the woman who was just shot by her 4 year old. She was not responsible enough for a gun. I don't see how gender matters.

Women are more vulnerable to attack than men are for several reasons. They're generally smaller than men and they get raped a lot more often than men do. They thus benefit from personal protection to a greater degree than men do. And no, guns are not for everyone. I don't see anyone trying to make that case. What I do see happening is people trying to make the case that women should not be able to choose if they want a gun for personal protection. Sure an assailant MAY be able to get a gun away from a woman, but should it not be her choice if she wants to take that chance?

Have you not seen 2aguy? He will tell you everyone needs a gun at all times.

A woman can do everything a man can. Not aware of anyone saying they should not have the option. They should be aware however that for many people having a gun just makes them more likely to have an accident like the shot in back woman, Walmart woman shot dead by her kid, or woman with bra holster who shot herself dead. Most people in this country have no need for a gun.

Thankfully, need doesn't enter into the equation. Look, freedom is messy, chaotic, sometimes dangerous, and always preferable to the alternative. We make decisions every day that put us in danger, but we accept risk as a price we pay to enjoy the freedom. We don't outlaw condoms on the grounds that people contract sometimes deadly diseases and get pregnant despite using them.

 

[2aguy]

the anti gun nuts tell us that women can't use a gun against a man. They tell is the gun will be easily taken away from her. They tell us that any attack will be an ambush and no woman will be able to use a gun to stop that kind of attack......

Except this woman did......she was ambushed, had her head banged against an object, probably her car, and was forced into her car....and then shot the a**hole twice......

I don't think she is a Navy Seal....

Woman Shoots Stalker in Neck, Buttocks

‘When the elevator opened on the sixth floor, the victim states she began to run to her vehicle, which was parked about 10 spots away from the elevator. The victim stated the suspect gave chase,’ the police report states.

She ran to her car where Ganobick pushed in behind her. He held her at knifepoint and screamed at her to give him all of her money while smashing her head into an unknown object. The victim stated Ganobick repeatedly used his knee to force her into the passenger seat, fearing for her life, she pulled out the great equalizer.

‘The victim stated she was afraid that she would be raped or murdered and as she fell across the passenger seat of her vehicle, she was able to reach into her purse and grab her gun and attempt to fire a shot at the suspect,’ the report states.

The woman pulled a Beretta handgun out of her purse and began to squeeze the trigger. She states the gun did not fire at first, so she continued to pull the trigger until it did, finally shooting Ganobick in the neck, but that didn’t stop him.

Can you give us an example of someone saying such a thing?

Yes...I did.....look at earlier posts....a Colorado congress woman and President obama.......those were the quickest finds saying that....

 

[2aguy]

That's because they don't exist or the defender is involved in criminal activity.

According to this between 100,000 and 300,000 per year is a likely number. How Often Do We Use Guns in Self-Defense? - Businessweek

One researcher at FSU says 2 million per year.

The brain already knows the statistics. I, as well as multiple other people, have repeatedly posted the studies for him. He refuses to acknowledge facts.

You have posted debunked surveys that are not supported by anything in reality. The reality is most people have never had a dgu, nor do they know anyone who has. The largest survey is by the NCVS and says about 100k dgu per year. That is probably fairly accurate. Many of those dgu of course aren't actually lawful.

And again......you are a moron....the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a study of gun self defense...it does not even have the word gun in it...and does not ask one question about using a gun for self defense...also...this survey can't even get accurate numbers on the actual crime victimization it is supposed to be studying...

Yet...the anti gun nuts cling to it since it is the only thing putting gun self defense at such a low number....