Trump doesn't know what he's talking about

[Toddsterpatriot]

nteresting, you post naked CCP propaganda, as if it somehow stands as definitive in some odd fashion.... If your command & control system was superior, why then had it (U.S. economy) under Trump's stewardship, utterly annihilated China's heretofore uncheck ascension?

Are you really that indoctrinated?
See if you can respond to this claim without resorting to ad hominem tripe:

Despite himself Trump admits the superiority of China’s socialist economy to capitalism – Learning from China

"Taking first a leading example from the media, on 18 October, The Economist carried a long cover story ‘The End of Engagement’ that noted: ‘America fears that time is on China’s side. The Chinese economy is growing more than twice as fast as America’s and the state is pouring money into advanced technology, such as artificial intelligence, quantum computing and biotech. Action that is merely daunting today… say… to challenge China in the South China Sea—may be impossible tomorrow.'"

The Chinese economy is growing more than twice as fast as America’s

Only if you believed fake commie stats.

 

[georgephillip]

Only if you believed fake commie stats.

You believe in the Ponzi scheme stock market?

Ten Things You Can Do Now to Curb Wall Street’s Wealth Transfer System

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Only if you believed fake commie stats.

You believe in the Ponzi scheme stock market?

Ten Things You Can Do Now to Curb Wall Street’s Wealth Transfer System

The stock market is AWESOME!!!!

I've made huge bucks investing. YUGE!

 

[SavannahMann]

Especially when you can sprint to the defense of communist China, who just killed 65,000 Americans and likely will tally up 135,000 dead Americans before dust settles, and their shill CNN! The only good democrat is a covid-19 infected democra

It is worth mentioning China didn't become a superpower until it embraced state capitalism, an economic system modeled on a cancer cell now being undone by a virus and a corrupt crony-capitalist posing as POTUS.

As far as US deaths are concerned, place the blame where it belongs:

15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe

"Jan. 24, Twitter:

"'China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!'"

China isn't a superpower, it simply has nukes courtesy of Bill & Hillary Clinton..... They have exactly one support/supply ship for their entire navy, which includes one functional Russian supplied carrier, and one future Chinese produced carrier, the USN has at least two such ships for every battle group! The United States could splash their entire navy in about 72-96 hours time.... China's only source of real power resides within its monetary control of the United States democratic party and its leadership, Hollywood which communist China clearly owns, and every American business Clinton, Bush, and Obama sent to them..... Militarily China would be an absolute laugher, of course the democratic party and its supporters would fight for China, the party leadership because they have no choice, the party faithful because they were and remain stupid enough to actually have bought into the utopian fantasy.....

So an adolescent wingnut thinks Ghina obtained nuclear weapons from Bill & Hillary Clinton?

So in 1964 an 18 year old Bill Clinton....

Clinton sold China the secrets on how to keep a missle in the air. Before that, they couldn't do it. A nuclear missle is useless sitting on a launch pad.

Pure bullshit.

Then you're an idiot or young. They did it, my gosh they taught everyone else Republican and Democrat how to sell us out. Wake up!

Forgive me for disagreeing, but History is one of those things that really interests me. China began fielding modified and heavily improved locally produced copies of the Soviet Project 629 submarines, which were diesel electric nuclear ballistic missile submarines. We called this class of Submarine the Golf. One sank off of Hawaii. One of the Conspiracy Theories of the sinking of K129 was the location which suggested that the Chinese were to get the blame for launching nuclear weapons at Pearl Harbor. The Chinese produced missiles did not have the range, or accuracy, in 1968, that Soviet systems had.

These missiles were early sea launched versions of the Scud missile. China tore them apart, learned how they worked, and began working to improve and copy them. I know, I have a Wen Generator that is an almost exact copy of a Honda Generator. For less than half the price.

China’s internally developed missiles were operational as early as the early 1970’s, when Nixon was leaving the White House, and Clinton was looking to become the Attorney General of Arkansas, if he could avoid Vietnam.

Your comments are the same sort of silly nonsense that ran around the Country after Pearl Harbor. We didn’t want to believe the little Yellow folks could make a functional carrier or attack planes much less plan an attack and carry it out without help. Many “experts” swore that when the record was set straight, we would find that the attack in Pearl Harbor, was really planned in Berlin.

Rocket‘s and Missiles, are nothing more than Math and Engineering, which is of course, more math. If there is one thing that we know the Asian’s have always been good at, it’s math. That is not racism, that is accepting reality, and history.

China’s problem was never that they were not smart enough, or educated enough. The problem was always that those with the power, were not always worthy, and unlike our own leaders, did not answer to anyone but their own subordinates. And the only answer they wanted was Yes sir.

China has had both Submarines, and Missiles, for a long time. They may not have been state of the art, but they were functional. Yes, they stole our W-80 design, and yes, they stole anything else they could. But when we look at their products, we see elements of ours, the English, Soviet, and later Russian elements are there as well as French.

See post #71 moron..... Then, read the fucking post Mr History Buff..... Check fucking mate!

I often wish that people were half as smart as they pretend to be. It would be a massive improvement. Especially in your case. You see, there has been tons of discussion of this issue for decades. Ever since the Cox Report of 1998. In it, the Republican Congressman‘s Intel Committee unanimously agreed that information had been going to China for twenty years and harmed US National Security. Now, how Bill Clinton managed it in 1978 when he was a podunk Politician in Arkansas is beyond me, but we will deal in truth, instead of your post it note version of history.

So how did this come about? Well, first of all NASA shut down Apollo, and for a long time the only way we Americans had to get Satellites into orbit was the Thor Missile, which in Civilian use was and still is called the Delta rockets.

These were expensive, and could not lift the heavier satellites. So the communications companies who brought you Satellite TV a few years later looked at the world and found that there were other options. The cheapest was the Chinese Missiles that had been repurposed to Space Launches. Ronald Reagan was President now, and approved this, because doing things cheaper is good.

The Shuttle was not yet ready, and after Challenger, few CivilIan Satalites would be launched via the Shuttle. It was too expensive, and unreliable. Even subsidized as it was by NASA, it was still more expensive.

But the Chinese Copies of the Russian Missiles had a problem. It wasn’t a big problem when dealing with 5 Megaton City Smasher Nukes. I mean, when dealing with Nuclear Weapons close enough, usually is. But when dealing with precision delivery of Communications Satellites it was a problem. A few miles off course, or too high, and it was a major issue. So Hughes Aircraft and Lorain Communications started to work with the Chinese to improve the Rockets. All with the permission of the Republican Run Administration of Reagan and Bush 41. Clinton was now a Governor.

All the while Chinese Security Services, the Chinese CIA, was doing what our side was doing too, trying to learn all they could about our secrets, and the Russian Secrets, and the French, who would sell it under the table, for a song and a dance.

During this period, the 1970’s and 1980’s, France was improving their Nuclear Weapons and Missiles. Our Scientists were prohibited from helping the French design it. But they got around that for our ”Allies” by shaking their head slightly when shown the plans the French were exploring. If the Frogs were on the wrong path, the scientist would shake his head. If they were on the right path they would say “I’m sorry, we can’t be of any help.”

Now, Reagan and Bush, and Clinton all wanted closer relations with China. Reagan for cheaper business environment because competition good. Clinton for world peace because world peace was good.

By the end of the Clinton Administration the Republicans like Cox were screaming that the design for the Explosive Bolts to help separate the Satellite from the rocket could be repurposed to separate nuclear weapon payloads from the same rocket.

Now the dirty little secret is that all the stuff you blame Clinton for, was going on since Carter was President, and through the administration of Reagan, and Bush. All this so you could get a more reliable picture of the Super Bowl or whatever.

Now, if you want to discuss a real scandal, then go to rockets again. The Delta Rockets we mentioned above, were redesigned for a new engine. Only it wasn’t a new engine when the Soviet Union broke up. It was a thirty year old engine that they had designed, tested, and built for their Moon program that was canceled. Those engines were more powerful than our own, and as relations with Putin were degrading, we were stuck buying Russian Engines because they were the only ones powerful enough and small enough to work at getting our payloads into orbit.

To summarize that development. The fuel pumps on a Rocket Engine are essentially a Jet Engine. The exhaust from that Jet Engine is blown overboard on American designs. In Russian Designs, this superheated air, highly compressed, is injected into the combustion chamber. It increases the power of the rocket motor with not much more weight or complexity.

We had looked at that design, and decided it was too unstable, and would be too difficult, nearly impossible to make it work. The Russians had it working, and was making money off of us selling us those engines.

The same Soviet era type systems that were sold to China, and then copied by China, in the 1960’s. The designs that are essentially used today to reach the International Space Station.

The Chinese would have been right behind the Russians if not for the Cultural Revolution which decimated their scientific base.

Now, the real problem is this. Not that Clinton sent tech that nobody else would have. It was just the next step in developing the ability to launch satellites for civilian use. None of the tech was significantly different than what they were already using. It was just a little more refined. The exception was computer hardware, and encryption hardware. Of course, by that time, we were sending most of that stuff over there to be built by Taiwanese Companies. Or are you silly enough to believe that nobody in Taiwan is a Chinese Spy?

 

[charwin95]

So you HAVE recovered from Bernie being robbed...….twice?

Most of the sources I trust never believed Bernie would get a fair shot running as a Democrat. so I wasn't expecting much. I suppose there is a chance Biden will melt down into unabashed senility before the convention, and Hillary will ride to the rescue?

Who are you more excited to vote for, Biden or Hillary?

I’ll vote for both. Compared to this pathological liar, inept and incompetent Trump. This country deserves better.

 

[charwin95]

Out of curiosity. Are these the same Intelligence folks who told Clinton that an Aspirin Factory was making WMD’s? When it turned out they were really making Aspirin? Or the folks who assured us that WMD’s were in Iraq? Or the folks who told the President that ISIS would be totally marginalized if we called them Daesh?

Let’s be honest for a moment. Intel folks are wrong more often than they are right if the evidence is to be taken with even a small grain of salt. After all they completely missed the Marathon Bombing in Boston because they got a name wrong on a Typo. Really.

So we are being honest. The Chinese Biological Research Facility is located right next to Wuhan China. We know that China lied going into this disaster. We know they withheld facts and vital information for months and up to today. We know they locked up and threatened Doctors and others who were trying to sound the alarm on this disease. So assuming that the intel briefer actually said we have no intel to show it came from the Biological Research facility that the Chinese use for Biowar weapons would you believe them without reservation knowing the long and disturbing history of their getting it completely wrong?

Oh, but Trump has to listen to the experts. Carter listened to the experts, and launched Desert One, planned and rehearsed by the experts, which failed miserably.

Reagan ignored the experts and found that he was right, the Soviets were teetering on the brink of collapse. Bush Clinton listened to the experts and bombed an Aspirin Factory to the outrage of the world. Bush listened and decided that Iraq had WMD’s. Obama listened and helped facilitate the Civil War in Libya, and Syria, that has led to the Refugee problems in Europe, and a few million dead.

The experts provide you with an educated guess. Sometimes the Magic 8 Ball is right, and sometimes it isn’t. But this is always the way the Intelligence folks were. None of them saw the Korean Invasion in 1950. Later they assured Truman that the Chinese would not come in, right up to the day that the Chinese actually attacked, Truman was being assured by both Military and CIA folks that they had no information that any Chinese troops would become involved.

The Navy told the President that the Submarine K-129 would never survive a trip to the surface. The CIA did it anyway. And it was a colossal and expensive failure. Thanks experts. Glad to hear you had a plan.

The truth is that Intelligence and Airplane designers both have a similar motto. We bet your life we are right.

When something does go wrong, the person who made the decision based upon that information is always blamed. Odd that we never string up the idiots who were wrong. We promote them, because they have a lot of experience and expertise, and then the next poor bastard listens to them, and again we are screwed.

If the CIA told me that the Russians were certainly going to start a Nuclear War, I would nod and then tell the guy with the Football not to go to far, and then tell Cheyenne Mountain that we really do not expect much in the way of Russian Aggression.

Thankfully we aren’t alone there. The other Intelligence Services are not much if any better. The Russians early detection satellite reported a single missile launch. The Russian Generals were screaming that they had to retaliate, and needed Gorbachov to issue the orders to launch. The Experts all said that this was exactly what they had feared of Reagan.

One expert, a lowly Major disagreed. He had studied Reagan. He told the Bosses that Reagan would never launch a single Missile, he would launch every single one if it was his desire to start a Nuclear War. One guy got it right. Dozens of Experts had it wrong, and we are alive because he delayed the launch long enough for Soviet Radar to confirm that no missile was inbound.

Would you blame Gorbachov for ignoring his experts? Would you demand that Gorby fire the missiles to retaliate for the attack? The Experts said he should.

Anyone who knows the history of the CIA and Intelligence in general is probably right now tossing a coin to see if the CIA is wrong or right on their latest assessment.

Then again, regarding COVID, the Experts were all shouting that we had no testing to confirm that UV-C would kill Covid. Despite the fact that we knew how UV killed Virus’ we refused to believe that it would kill Covid until we tested it.

Did we test to see if Covid was affected by Gravity? Odd that the Experts just accepted that this virus particle would be drawn to the earth instead of floating away. Or it is just as likely that they didn’t think of it, and that is why they did not demand testing on it.

The Experts are wrong as often as they are right, and swear they are in the know.

Those doesn’t applies to Trump. Lies like hell, made enemies here and overseas, instigate violence against his own people, busy finger pointing, proven corrupted etc etc etc...

Trump claimed Obama spied his Trump tower. False.
Uranium one against Hillary. That was false.
Trump CV a democrat hoax. False.
Trump blamed Ukraine 2016 election interference saving Putin. False.

Trump turned this country upside down worst we’ve ever seen. TRUE.

 

[charwin95]

Especially when you can sprint to the defense of communist China, who just killed 65,000 Americans and likely will tally up 135,000 dead Americans before dust settles, and their shill CNN! The only good democrat is a covid-19 infected democra

It is worth mentioning China didn't become a superpower until it embraced state capitalism, an economic system modeled on a cancer cell now being undone by a virus and a corrupt crony-capitalist posing as POTUS.

As far as US deaths are concerned, place the blame where it belongs:

15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe

"Jan. 24, Twitter:

"'China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!'"

China isn't a superpower, it simply has nukes courtesy of Bill & Hillary Clinton..... They have exactly one support/supply ship for their entire navy, which includes one functional Russian supplied carrier, and one future Chinese produced carrier, the USN has at least two such ships for every battle group! The United States could splash their entire navy in about 72-96 hours time.... China's only source of real power resides within its monetary control of the United States democratic party and its leadership, Hollywood which communist China clearly owns, and every American business Clinton, Bush, and Obama sent to them..... Militarily China would be an absolute laugher, of course the democratic party and its supporters would fight for China, the party leadership because they have no choice, the party faithful because they were and remain stupid enough to actually have bought into the utopian fantasy.....

So an adolescent wingnut thinks Ghina obtained nuclear weapons from Bill & Hillary Clinton?

So in 1964 an 18 year old Bill Clinton....

Clinton sold China the secrets on how to keep a missle in the air. Before that, they couldn't do it. A nuclear missle is useless sitting on a launch pad.

Any LINKY LINKY there bud? I’m loss.
.

 

[jknowgood]

Especially when you can sprint to the defense of communist China, who just killed 65,000 Americans and likely will tally up 135,000 dead Americans before dust settles, and their shill CNN! The only good democrat is a covid-19 infected democra

It is worth mentioning China didn't become a superpower until it embraced state capitalism, an economic system modeled on a cancer cell now being undone by a virus and a corrupt crony-capitalist posing as POTUS.

As far as US deaths are concerned, place the blame where it belongs:

15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe

"Jan. 24, Twitter:

"'China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!'"

China isn't a superpower, it simply has nukes courtesy of Bill & Hillary Clinton..... They have exactly one support/supply ship for their entire navy, which includes one functional Russian supplied carrier, and one future Chinese produced carrier, the USN has at least two such ships for every battle group! The United States could splash their entire navy in about 72-96 hours time.... China's only source of real power resides within its monetary control of the United States democratic party and its leadership, Hollywood which communist China clearly owns, and every American business Clinton, Bush, and Obama sent to them..... Militarily China would be an absolute laugher, of course the democratic party and its supporters would fight for China, the party leadership because they have no choice, the party faithful because they were and remain stupid enough to actually have bought into the utopian fantasy.....

So an adolescent wingnut thinks Ghina obtained nuclear weapons from Bill & Hillary Clinton?

So in 1964 an 18 year old Bill Clinton....

Clinton sold China the secrets on how to keep a missle in the air. Before that, they couldn't do it. A nuclear missle is useless sitting on a launch pad.

Any LINKY LINKY there bud? I’m loss.
.

It happened before the internet.

 

[Death-Ninja]

Especially when you can sprint to the defense of communist China, who just killed 65,000 Americans and likely will tally up 135,000 dead Americans before dust settles, and their shill CNN! The only good democrat is a covid-19 infected democra

It is worth mentioning China didn't become a superpower until it embraced state capitalism, an economic system modeled on a cancer cell now being undone by a virus and a corrupt crony-capitalist posing as POTUS.

As far as US deaths are concerned, place the blame where it belongs:

15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe

"Jan. 24, Twitter:

"'China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!'"

China isn't a superpower, it simply has nukes courtesy of Bill & Hillary Clinton..... They have exactly one support/supply ship for their entire navy, which includes one functional Russian supplied carrier, and one future Chinese produced carrier, the USN has at least two such ships for every battle group! The United States could splash their entire navy in about 72-96 hours time.... China's only source of real power resides within its monetary control of the United States democratic party and its leadership, Hollywood which communist China clearly owns, and every American business Clinton, Bush, and Obama sent to them..... Militarily China would be an absolute laugher, of course the democratic party and its supporters would fight for China, the party leadership because they have no choice, the party faithful because they were and remain stupid enough to actually have bought into the utopian fantasy.....

So an adolescent wingnut thinks Ghina obtained nuclear weapons from Bill & Hillary Clinton?

So in 1964 an 18 year old Bill Clinton....

Clinton sold China the secrets on how to keep a missle in the air. Before that, they couldn't do it. A nuclear missle is useless sitting on a launch pad.

Any LINKY LINKY there bud? I’m loss.
.

Read thread, post 71..... Clinton's treachery is undeniable, its just that democrats don't care one whit, just as they didn't care one whit about the naked treason Teddy "Lion Of The Senate" Kennedy committed, or more precisely tried to commit with Soviet Russia against the United States, specifically asking for their aide in getting him elected president against Reagan! Do you require a link for that too??? Its common knowledge Teddy did this, it was revealed in KGB internal documents released following collapse of Soviet Union.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you HAVE recovered from Bernie being robbed...….twice?

Most of the sources I trust never believed Bernie would get a fair shot running as a Democrat. so I wasn't expecting much. I suppose there is a chance Biden will melt down into unabashed senility before the convention, and Hillary will ride to the rescue?

Who are you more excited to vote for, Biden or Hillary?

I’ll vote for both. Compared to this pathological liar, inept and incompetent Trump. This country deserves better.

I’ll vote for both.

Instead of voting better?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Out of curiosity. Are these the same Intelligence folks who told Clinton that an Aspirin Factory was making WMD’s? When it turned out they were really making Aspirin? Or the folks who assured us that WMD’s were in Iraq? Or the folks who told the President that ISIS would be totally marginalized if we called them Daesh?

Let’s be honest for a moment. Intel folks are wrong more often than they are right if the evidence is to be taken with even a small grain of salt. After all they completely missed the Marathon Bombing in Boston because they got a name wrong on a Typo. Really.

So we are being honest. The Chinese Biological Research Facility is located right next to Wuhan China. We know that China lied going into this disaster. We know they withheld facts and vital information for months and up to today. We know they locked up and threatened Doctors and others who were trying to sound the alarm on this disease. So assuming that the intel briefer actually said we have no intel to show it came from the Biological Research facility that the Chinese use for Biowar weapons would you believe them without reservation knowing the long and disturbing history of their getting it completely wrong?

Oh, but Trump has to listen to the experts. Carter listened to the experts, and launched Desert One, planned and rehearsed by the experts, which failed miserably.

Reagan ignored the experts and found that he was right, the Soviets were teetering on the brink of collapse. Bush Clinton listened to the experts and bombed an Aspirin Factory to the outrage of the world. Bush listened and decided that Iraq had WMD’s. Obama listened and helped facilitate the Civil War in Libya, and Syria, that has led to the Refugee problems in Europe, and a few million dead.

The experts provide you with an educated guess. Sometimes the Magic 8 Ball is right, and sometimes it isn’t. But this is always the way the Intelligence folks were. None of them saw the Korean Invasion in 1950. Later they assured Truman that the Chinese would not come in, right up to the day that the Chinese actually attacked, Truman was being assured by both Military and CIA folks that they had no information that any Chinese troops would become involved.

The Navy told the President that the Submarine K-129 would never survive a trip to the surface. The CIA did it anyway. And it was a colossal and expensive failure. Thanks experts. Glad to hear you had a plan.

The truth is that Intelligence and Airplane designers both have a similar motto. We bet your life we are right.

When something does go wrong, the person who made the decision based upon that information is always blamed. Odd that we never string up the idiots who were wrong. We promote them, because they have a lot of experience and expertise, and then the next poor bastard listens to them, and again we are screwed.

If the CIA told me that the Russians were certainly going to start a Nuclear War, I would nod and then tell the guy with the Football not to go to far, and then tell Cheyenne Mountain that we really do not expect much in the way of Russian Aggression.

Thankfully we aren’t alone there. The other Intelligence Services are not much if any better. The Russians early detection satellite reported a single missile launch. The Russian Generals were screaming that they had to retaliate, and needed Gorbachov to issue the orders to launch. The Experts all said that this was exactly what they had feared of Reagan.

One expert, a lowly Major disagreed. He had studied Reagan. He told the Bosses that Reagan would never launch a single Missile, he would launch every single one if it was his desire to start a Nuclear War. One guy got it right. Dozens of Experts had it wrong, and we are alive because he delayed the launch long enough for Soviet Radar to confirm that no missile was inbound.

Would you blame Gorbachov for ignoring his experts? Would you demand that Gorby fire the missiles to retaliate for the attack? The Experts said he should.

Anyone who knows the history of the CIA and Intelligence in general is probably right now tossing a coin to see if the CIA is wrong or right on their latest assessment.

Then again, regarding COVID, the Experts were all shouting that we had no testing to confirm that UV-C would kill Covid. Despite the fact that we knew how UV killed Virus’ we refused to believe that it would kill Covid until we tested it.

Did we test to see if Covid was affected by Gravity? Odd that the Experts just accepted that this virus particle would be drawn to the earth instead of floating away. Or it is just as likely that they didn’t think of it, and that is why they did not demand testing on it.

The Experts are wrong as often as they are right, and swear they are in the know.

Those doesn’t applies to Trump. Lies like hell, made enemies here and overseas, instigate violence against his own people, busy finger pointing, proven corrupted etc etc etc...

Trump claimed Obama spied his Trump tower. False.
Uranium one against Hillary. That was false.
Trump CV a democrat hoax. False.
Trump blamed Ukraine 2016 election interference saving Putin. False.

Trump turned this country upside down worst we’ve ever seen. TRUE.

Trump claimed Obama spied his Trump tower.

Obama's DOJ wasn't spying on the Trump campaign?

Uranium one against Hillary. That was false.

Were the donations disclosed properly?

 

[charwin95]

Especially when you can sprint to the defense of communist China, who just killed 65,000 Americans and likely will tally up 135,000 dead Americans before dust settles, and their shill CNN! The only good democrat is a covid-19 infected democra

It is worth mentioning China didn't become a superpower until it embraced state capitalism, an economic system modeled on a cancer cell now being undone by a virus and a corrupt crony-capitalist posing as POTUS.

As far as US deaths are concerned, place the blame where it belongs:

15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe

"Jan. 24, Twitter:

"'China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!'"

China isn't a superpower, it simply has nukes courtesy of Bill & Hillary Clinton..... They have exactly one support/supply ship for their entire navy, which includes one functional Russian supplied carrier, and one future Chinese produced carrier, the USN has at least two such ships for every battle group! The United States could splash their entire navy in about 72-96 hours time.... China's only source of real power resides within its monetary control of the United States democratic party and its leadership, Hollywood which communist China clearly owns, and every American business Clinton, Bush, and Obama sent to them..... Militarily China would be an absolute laugher, of course the democratic party and its supporters would fight for China, the party leadership because they have no choice, the party faithful because they were and remain stupid enough to actually have bought into the utopian fantasy.....

So an adolescent wingnut thinks Ghina obtained nuclear weapons from Bill & Hillary Clinton?

So in 1964 an 18 year old Bill Clinton....

Clinton sold China the secrets on how to keep a missle in the air. Before that, they couldn't do it. A nuclear missle is useless sitting on a launch pad.

Any LINKY LINKY there bud? I’m loss.
.

It happened before the internet.

Means YOU can’t prove it. You are lying.

You’ve been here this long and post something this bullshit. What that makes you?

 

[charwin95]

Out of curiosity. Are these the same Intelligence folks who told Clinton that an Aspirin Factory was making WMD’s? When it turned out they were really making Aspirin? Or the folks who assured us that WMD’s were in Iraq? Or the folks who told the President that ISIS would be totally marginalized if we called them Daesh?

Let’s be honest for a moment. Intel folks are wrong more often than they are right if the evidence is to be taken with even a small grain of salt. After all they completely missed the Marathon Bombing in Boston because they got a name wrong on a Typo. Really.

So we are being honest. The Chinese Biological Research Facility is located right next to Wuhan China. We know that China lied going into this disaster. We know they withheld facts and vital information for months and up to today. We know they locked up and threatened Doctors and others who were trying to sound the alarm on this disease. So assuming that the intel briefer actually said we have no intel to show it came from the Biological Research facility that the Chinese use for Biowar weapons would you believe them without reservation knowing the long and disturbing history of their getting it completely wrong?

Oh, but Trump has to listen to the experts. Carter listened to the experts, and launched Desert One, planned and rehearsed by the experts, which failed miserably.

Reagan ignored the experts and found that he was right, the Soviets were teetering on the brink of collapse. Bush Clinton listened to the experts and bombed an Aspirin Factory to the outrage of the world. Bush listened and decided that Iraq had WMD’s. Obama listened and helped facilitate the Civil War in Libya, and Syria, that has led to the Refugee problems in Europe, and a few million dead.

The experts provide you with an educated guess. Sometimes the Magic 8 Ball is right, and sometimes it isn’t. But this is always the way the Intelligence folks were. None of them saw the Korean Invasion in 1950. Later they assured Truman that the Chinese would not come in, right up to the day that the Chinese actually attacked, Truman was being assured by both Military and CIA folks that they had no information that any Chinese troops would become involved.

The Navy told the President that the Submarine K-129 would never survive a trip to the surface. The CIA did it anyway. And it was a colossal and expensive failure. Thanks experts. Glad to hear you had a plan.

The truth is that Intelligence and Airplane designers both have a similar motto. We bet your life we are right.

When something does go wrong, the person who made the decision based upon that information is always blamed. Odd that we never string up the idiots who were wrong. We promote them, because they have a lot of experience and expertise, and then the next poor bastard listens to them, and again we are screwed.

If the CIA told me that the Russians were certainly going to start a Nuclear War, I would nod and then tell the guy with the Football not to go to far, and then tell Cheyenne Mountain that we really do not expect much in the way of Russian Aggression.

Thankfully we aren’t alone there. The other Intelligence Services are not much if any better. The Russians early detection satellite reported a single missile launch. The Russian Generals were screaming that they had to retaliate, and needed Gorbachov to issue the orders to launch. The Experts all said that this was exactly what they had feared of Reagan.

One expert, a lowly Major disagreed. He had studied Reagan. He told the Bosses that Reagan would never launch a single Missile, he would launch every single one if it was his desire to start a Nuclear War. One guy got it right. Dozens of Experts had it wrong, and we are alive because he delayed the launch long enough for Soviet Radar to confirm that no missile was inbound.

Would you blame Gorbachov for ignoring his experts? Would you demand that Gorby fire the missiles to retaliate for the attack? The Experts said he should.

Anyone who knows the history of the CIA and Intelligence in general is probably right now tossing a coin to see if the CIA is wrong or right on their latest assessment.

Then again, regarding COVID, the Experts were all shouting that we had no testing to confirm that UV-C would kill Covid. Despite the fact that we knew how UV killed Virus’ we refused to believe that it would kill Covid until we tested it.

Did we test to see if Covid was affected by Gravity? Odd that the Experts just accepted that this virus particle would be drawn to the earth instead of floating away. Or it is just as likely that they didn’t think of it, and that is why they did not demand testing on it.

The Experts are wrong as often as they are right, and swear they are in the know.

Those doesn’t applies to Trump. Lies like hell, made enemies here and overseas, instigate violence against his own people, busy finger pointing, proven corrupted etc etc etc...

Trump claimed Obama spied his Trump tower. False.
Uranium one against Hillary. That was false.
Trump CV a democrat hoax. False.
Trump blamed Ukraine 2016 election interference saving Putin. False.

Trump turned this country upside down worst we’ve ever seen. TRUE.

Trump claimed Obama spied his Trump tower.

Obama's DOJ wasn't spying on the Trump campaign?

Uranium one against Hillary. That was false.

Were the donations disclosed properly?

Wrong. Trump claimed Obama spied on Trump tower. Sessions special investigation proved false.

Uranium one. Donations and everything was false. Investigators assigned by Trump.

 

[charwin95]

So you HAVE recovered from Bernie being robbed...….twice?

Most of the sources I trust never believed Bernie would get a fair shot running as a Democrat. so I wasn't expecting much. I suppose there is a chance Biden will melt down into unabashed senility before the convention, and Hillary will ride to the rescue?

Who are you more excited to vote for, Biden or Hillary?

I’ll vote for both. Compared to this pathological liar, inept and incompetent Trump. This country deserves better.

I’ll vote for both.

Instead of voting better?

What difference does it make? Getting rid of that sick puppy is the best we can do to save this country for more disasters.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Out of curiosity. Are these the same Intelligence folks who told Clinton that an Aspirin Factory was making WMD’s? When it turned out they were really making Aspirin? Or the folks who assured us that WMD’s were in Iraq? Or the folks who told the President that ISIS would be totally marginalized if we called them Daesh?

Let’s be honest for a moment. Intel folks are wrong more often than they are right if the evidence is to be taken with even a small grain of salt. After all they completely missed the Marathon Bombing in Boston because they got a name wrong on a Typo. Really.

So we are being honest. The Chinese Biological Research Facility is located right next to Wuhan China. We know that China lied going into this disaster. We know they withheld facts and vital information for months and up to today. We know they locked up and threatened Doctors and others who were trying to sound the alarm on this disease. So assuming that the intel briefer actually said we have no intel to show it came from the Biological Research facility that the Chinese use for Biowar weapons would you believe them without reservation knowing the long and disturbing history of their getting it completely wrong?

Oh, but Trump has to listen to the experts. Carter listened to the experts, and launched Desert One, planned and rehearsed by the experts, which failed miserably.

Reagan ignored the experts and found that he was right, the Soviets were teetering on the brink of collapse. Bush Clinton listened to the experts and bombed an Aspirin Factory to the outrage of the world. Bush listened and decided that Iraq had WMD’s. Obama listened and helped facilitate the Civil War in Libya, and Syria, that has led to the Refugee problems in Europe, and a few million dead.

The experts provide you with an educated guess. Sometimes the Magic 8 Ball is right, and sometimes it isn’t. But this is always the way the Intelligence folks were. None of them saw the Korean Invasion in 1950. Later they assured Truman that the Chinese would not come in, right up to the day that the Chinese actually attacked, Truman was being assured by both Military and CIA folks that they had no information that any Chinese troops would become involved.

The Navy told the President that the Submarine K-129 would never survive a trip to the surface. The CIA did it anyway. And it was a colossal and expensive failure. Thanks experts. Glad to hear you had a plan.

The truth is that Intelligence and Airplane designers both have a similar motto. We bet your life we are right.

When something does go wrong, the person who made the decision based upon that information is always blamed. Odd that we never string up the idiots who were wrong. We promote them, because they have a lot of experience and expertise, and then the next poor bastard listens to them, and again we are screwed.

If the CIA told me that the Russians were certainly going to start a Nuclear War, I would nod and then tell the guy with the Football not to go to far, and then tell Cheyenne Mountain that we really do not expect much in the way of Russian Aggression.

Thankfully we aren’t alone there. The other Intelligence Services are not much if any better. The Russians early detection satellite reported a single missile launch. The Russian Generals were screaming that they had to retaliate, and needed Gorbachov to issue the orders to launch. The Experts all said that this was exactly what they had feared of Reagan.

One expert, a lowly Major disagreed. He had studied Reagan. He told the Bosses that Reagan would never launch a single Missile, he would launch every single one if it was his desire to start a Nuclear War. One guy got it right. Dozens of Experts had it wrong, and we are alive because he delayed the launch long enough for Soviet Radar to confirm that no missile was inbound.

Would you blame Gorbachov for ignoring his experts? Would you demand that Gorby fire the missiles to retaliate for the attack? The Experts said he should.

Anyone who knows the history of the CIA and Intelligence in general is probably right now tossing a coin to see if the CIA is wrong or right on their latest assessment.

Then again, regarding COVID, the Experts were all shouting that we had no testing to confirm that UV-C would kill Covid. Despite the fact that we knew how UV killed Virus’ we refused to believe that it would kill Covid until we tested it.

Did we test to see if Covid was affected by Gravity? Odd that the Experts just accepted that this virus particle would be drawn to the earth instead of floating away. Or it is just as likely that they didn’t think of it, and that is why they did not demand testing on it.

The Experts are wrong as often as they are right, and swear they are in the know.

Those doesn’t applies to Trump. Lies like hell, made enemies here and overseas, instigate violence against his own people, busy finger pointing, proven corrupted etc etc etc...

Trump claimed Obama spied his Trump tower. False.
Uranium one against Hillary. That was false.
Trump CV a democrat hoax. False.
Trump blamed Ukraine 2016 election interference saving Putin. False.

Trump turned this country upside down worst we’ve ever seen. TRUE.

Trump claimed Obama spied his Trump tower.

Obama's DOJ wasn't spying on the Trump campaign?

Uranium one against Hillary. That was false.

Were the donations disclosed properly?

Wrong. Trump claimed Obama spied on Trump tower. Sessions special investigation proved false.

Uranium one. Donations and everything was false. Investigators assigned by Trump.

Wrong. Trump claimed Obama spied on Trump tower.

So spying on the campaign was fine, as long as he didn't spy on the Tower. Thanks!

Uranium one. Donations and everything was false.

The donations that weren't properly disclosed were false?
Do you have a list of all the false, undisclosed donations.
I mean besides the improperly undisclosed donations related to Uranium One?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you HAVE recovered from Bernie being robbed...….twice?

Most of the sources I trust never believed Bernie would get a fair shot running as a Democrat. so I wasn't expecting much. I suppose there is a chance Biden will melt down into unabashed senility before the convention, and Hillary will ride to the rescue?

Who are you more excited to vote for, Biden or Hillary?

I’ll vote for both. Compared to this pathological liar, inept and incompetent Trump. This country deserves better.

I’ll vote for both.

Instead of voting better?

What difference does it make? Getting rid of that sick puppy is the best we can do to save this country for more disasters.

Getting rid of that sick puppy is the best we can do to save this country for more disasters.

I agree, get rid of all three sick puppies.
Clinton, Biden and Bernie.

 

[charwin95]

Especially when you can sprint to the defense of communist China, who just killed 65,000 Americans and likely will tally up 135,000 dead Americans before dust settles, and their shill CNN! The only good democrat is a covid-19 infected democra

It is worth mentioning China didn't become a superpower until it embraced state capitalism, an economic system modeled on a cancer cell now being undone by a virus and a corrupt crony-capitalist posing as POTUS.

As far as US deaths are concerned, place the blame where it belongs:

15 times Trump praised China as coronavirus was spreading across the globe

"Jan. 24, Twitter:

"'China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!'"

China isn't a superpower, it simply has nukes courtesy of Bill & Hillary Clinton..... They have exactly one support/supply ship for their entire navy, which includes one functional Russian supplied carrier, and one future Chinese produced carrier, the USN has at least two such ships for every battle group! The United States could splash their entire navy in about 72-96 hours time.... China's only source of real power resides within its monetary control of the United States democratic party and its leadership, Hollywood which communist China clearly owns, and every American business Clinton, Bush, and Obama sent to them..... Militarily China would be an absolute laugher, of course the democratic party and its supporters would fight for China, the party leadership because they have no choice, the party faithful because they were and remain stupid enough to actually have bought into the utopian fantasy.....

So an adolescent wingnut thinks Ghina obtained nuclear weapons from Bill & Hillary Clinton?

So in 1964 an 18 year old Bill Clinton....

Clinton sold China the secrets on how to keep a missle in the air. Before that, they couldn't do it. A nuclear missle is useless sitting on a launch pad.

Any LINKY LINKY there bud? I’m loss.
.

Read thread, post 71..... Clinton's treachery is undeniable, its just that democrats don't care one whit, just as they didn't care one whit about the naked treason Teddy "Lion Of The Senate" Kennedy committed, or more precisely tried to commit with Soviet Russia against the United States, specifically asking for their aide in getting him elected president against Reagan! Do you require a link for that too??? Its common knowledge Teddy did this, it was revealed in KGB internal documents released following collapse of Soviet Union.

A questionable media like that s not acceptable to me.

Why is it that you PEOOLE always used a link that is rarely or never heard in general public? Meaning they can post whatever they want without verifications. Not even in Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, ABC or CBS.



But high percentage of Trump supporters believed Trump when he said Ukraine not Putin interfered in 2016 election. Supported by Fox News. That’s what they called it .... Facts.

Give me something else.
.

 

[charwin95]

So you HAVE recovered from Bernie being robbed...….twice?

Most of the sources I trust never believed Bernie would get a fair shot running as a Democrat. so I wasn't expecting much. I suppose there is a chance Biden will melt down into unabashed senility before the convention, and Hillary will ride to the rescue?

Who are you more excited to vote for, Biden or Hillary?

I’ll vote for both. Compared to this pathological liar, inept and incompetent Trump. This country deserves better.

I’ll vote for both.

Instead of voting better?

What difference does it make? Getting rid of that sick puppy is the best we can do to save this country for more disasters.

Getting rid of that sick puppy is the best we can do to save this country for more disasters.

I agree, get rid of all three sick puppies.
Clinton, Biden and Bernie.

I didn't say you can agree with me. So far Biden, Clinton and Bernie has not caused any disaster. That Putin puppy is very sick.

 

[charwin95]

Out of curiosity. Are these the same Intelligence folks who told Clinton that an Aspirin Factory was making WMD’s? When it turned out they were really making Aspirin? Or the folks who assured us that WMD’s were in Iraq? Or the folks who told the President that ISIS would be totally marginalized if we called them Daesh?

Let’s be honest for a moment. Intel folks are wrong more often than they are right if the evidence is to be taken with even a small grain of salt. After all they completely missed the Marathon Bombing in Boston because they got a name wrong on a Typo. Really.

So we are being honest. The Chinese Biological Research Facility is located right next to Wuhan China. We know that China lied going into this disaster. We know they withheld facts and vital information for months and up to today. We know they locked up and threatened Doctors and others who were trying to sound the alarm on this disease. So assuming that the intel briefer actually said we have no intel to show it came from the Biological Research facility that the Chinese use for Biowar weapons would you believe them without reservation knowing the long and disturbing history of their getting it completely wrong?

Oh, but Trump has to listen to the experts. Carter listened to the experts, and launched Desert One, planned and rehearsed by the experts, which failed miserably.

Reagan ignored the experts and found that he was right, the Soviets were teetering on the brink of collapse. Bush Clinton listened to the experts and bombed an Aspirin Factory to the outrage of the world. Bush listened and decided that Iraq had WMD’s. Obama listened and helped facilitate the Civil War in Libya, and Syria, that has led to the Refugee problems in Europe, and a few million dead.

The experts provide you with an educated guess. Sometimes the Magic 8 Ball is right, and sometimes it isn’t. But this is always the way the Intelligence folks were. None of them saw the Korean Invasion in 1950. Later they assured Truman that the Chinese would not come in, right up to the day that the Chinese actually attacked, Truman was being assured by both Military and CIA folks that they had no information that any Chinese troops would become involved.

The Navy told the President that the Submarine K-129 would never survive a trip to the surface. The CIA did it anyway. And it was a colossal and expensive failure. Thanks experts. Glad to hear you had a plan.

The truth is that Intelligence and Airplane designers both have a similar motto. We bet your life we are right.

When something does go wrong, the person who made the decision based upon that information is always blamed. Odd that we never string up the idiots who were wrong. We promote them, because they have a lot of experience and expertise, and then the next poor bastard listens to them, and again we are screwed.

If the CIA told me that the Russians were certainly going to start a Nuclear War, I would nod and then tell the guy with the Football not to go to far, and then tell Cheyenne Mountain that we really do not expect much in the way of Russian Aggression.

Thankfully we aren’t alone there. The other Intelligence Services are not much if any better. The Russians early detection satellite reported a single missile launch. The Russian Generals were screaming that they had to retaliate, and needed Gorbachov to issue the orders to launch. The Experts all said that this was exactly what they had feared of Reagan.

One expert, a lowly Major disagreed. He had studied Reagan. He told the Bosses that Reagan would never launch a single Missile, he would launch every single one if it was his desire to start a Nuclear War. One guy got it right. Dozens of Experts had it wrong, and we are alive because he delayed the launch long enough for Soviet Radar to confirm that no missile was inbound.

Would you blame Gorbachov for ignoring his experts? Would you demand that Gorby fire the missiles to retaliate for the attack? The Experts said he should.

Anyone who knows the history of the CIA and Intelligence in general is probably right now tossing a coin to see if the CIA is wrong or right on their latest assessment.

Then again, regarding COVID, the Experts were all shouting that we had no testing to confirm that UV-C would kill Covid. Despite the fact that we knew how UV killed Virus’ we refused to believe that it would kill Covid until we tested it.

Did we test to see if Covid was affected by Gravity? Odd that the Experts just accepted that this virus particle would be drawn to the earth instead of floating away. Or it is just as likely that they didn’t think of it, and that is why they did not demand testing on it.

The Experts are wrong as often as they are right, and swear they are in the know.

Those doesn’t applies to Trump. Lies like hell, made enemies here and overseas, instigate violence against his own people, busy finger pointing, proven corrupted etc etc etc...

Trump claimed Obama spied his Trump tower. False.
Uranium one against Hillary. That was false.
Trump CV a democrat hoax. False.
Trump blamed Ukraine 2016 election interference saving Putin. False.

Trump turned this country upside down worst we’ve ever seen. TRUE.

Trump claimed Obama spied his Trump tower.

Obama's DOJ wasn't spying on the Trump campaign?

Uranium one against Hillary. That was false.

Were the donations disclosed properly?

Wrong. Trump claimed Obama spied on Trump tower. Sessions special investigation proved false.

Uranium one. Donations and everything was false. Investigators assigned by Trump.

Wrong. Trump claimed Obama spied on Trump tower.

So spying on the campaign was fine, as long as he didn't spy on the Tower. Thanks!

Uranium one. Donations and everything was false.

The donations that weren't properly disclosed were false?
Do you have a list of all the false, undisclosed donations.
I mean besides the improperly undisclosed donations related to Uranium One?

One more time. I’m talking about Trump claimed Obama spied on Trump tower. Pay attention.

One more time. Uranium one investigated by Trump was all false. If you have something else that you can proved that Trump is wrong post it.

.

 

[charwin95]

Without proof. According to Trump he has evidence that Covid-19 came from Wuhan Lab. Supported by Pompeo.

According to US Intelligence hired by this Dude they don’t have any evidence that this CV-19 came from Wuhan lab or man made. But continue to investigate. Supported by western allies intelligence agencies.

CNN grilled Pompeo. Reversed course. He doesn’t have evidence that it’s man made And he believed our intelligence... SADLY.