Flopper
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I agree the convicted felons that illegal immigrants should be deported and in most polls 80%+ agree.The poll of 1,000 likely voters conducted on August 17-18 also probed voter opinion on whether the U.S. should deport all illegal immigrants convicted of felonies. Ninety-two percent of likely GOP voters agreed, while just 4 percent disagreed.I can think of a couple. 65% of the people in the country don't want them deported so any plan to deport them all would not have the support of the people.. Our existing laws and a host of federal court rulings would make it all but impossible to remove them.You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.
There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.
In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants
If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.
There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.
In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants
If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.Nearly half the people illegally in the country are not guilty of any crime so there is no need to grant amnesty. They are here with expired visas which by law is a status violation. The law doesn't require any penalty other than barring re-entry if deported. Almost all the remainder of illegals in the country are guilty of only entering the country illegally, a misdemeanor with a penalty of a maximum of 6 months in jail and a fine of $500 for first offense. Except for convicted felons, there is no deportation requirement in the law for either violation. Deportation is an administration procedure, not a penalty that can be applied by the judge if he feels it's warranted. The penalty for illegal entry is almost never applied by a judge but rather deportation is ordered it the accused does not have one of valid defense in the law..There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.
In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants
If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.
A path to citizenship should certainly require more than just living in the US and having a job. There have been a number proposals as the what that procedure might be.
What's your point? So far I haven't seen any proposal for a "path to citizenship" that required anything more than was required of any citizen of this country: speaking English, paying your taxes, yada, yada, yada. . . .
Is there any reason that illegals should be allowed to remain in this country? I can't think of one.
Poll: Majorities Support Border Wall, Deporting Criminal Illegal Immigrants - Breitbart
The poll of 1,000 likely voters conducted on August 17-18 also probed voter opinion on whether the U.S. should deport all illegal immigrants convicted of felonies. Ninety-two percent of likely GOP voters agreed, while just 4 percent disagreed.I can think of a couple. 65% of the people in the country don't want them deported so any plan to deport them all would not have the support of the people.. Our existing laws and a host of federal court rulings would make it all but impossible to remove them.You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.
There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.
In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants
If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.
There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.
In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants
If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.Nearly half the people illegally in the country are not guilty of any crime so there is no need to grant amnesty. They are here with expired visas which by law is a status violation. The law doesn't require any penalty other than barring re-entry if deported. Almost all the remainder of illegals in the country are guilty of only entering the country illegally, a misdemeanor with a penalty of a maximum of 6 months in jail and a fine of $500 for first offense. Except for convicted felons, there is no deportation requirement in the law for either violation. Deportation is an administration procedure, not a penalty that can be applied by the judge if he feels it's warranted. The penalty for illegal entry is almost never applied by a judge but rather deportation is ordered it the accused does not have one of valid defense in the law..You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.
There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.
In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants
If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.
A path to citizenship should certainly require more than just living in the US and having a job. There have been a number proposals as the what that procedure might be.
What's your point? So far I haven't seen any proposal for a "path to citizenship" that required anything more than was required of any citizen of this country: speaking English, paying your taxes, yada, yada, yada. . . .
Is there any reason that illegals should be allowed to remain in this country? I can't think of one.
Poll: Majorities Support Border Wall, Deporting Criminal Illegal Immigrants - Breitbart
Most Americans want them felons deported. Some prefer if they self deport and don't want to pay to deport them.
And I am one of them. Polls show that 80%+ of the people want illegal immigrant felons deported. However, only 20 to 30% of Americans want all illegal immigrants to leave the country. However, when people are asked should all illegal immigrants be deported the number falls under 20%.The poll of 1,000 likely voters conducted on August 17-18 also probed voter opinion on whether the U.S. should deport all illegal immigrants convicted of felonies. Ninety-two percent of likely GOP voters agreed, while just 4 percent disagreed.I can think of a couple. 65% of the people in the country don't want them deported so any plan to deport them all would not have the support of the people.. Our existing laws and a host of federal court rulings would make it all but impossible to remove them.You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.
There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.
In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants
If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.
There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.
In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants
If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.Nearly half the people illegally in the country are not guilty of any crime so there is no need to grant amnesty. They are here with expired visas which by law is a status violation. The law doesn't require any penalty other than barring re-entry if deported. Almost all the remainder of illegals in the country are guilty of only entering the country illegally, a misdemeanor with a penalty of a maximum of 6 months in jail and a fine of $500 for first offense. Except for convicted felons, there is no deportation requirement in the law for either violation. Deportation is an administration procedure, not a penalty that can be applied by the judge if he feels it's warranted. The penalty for illegal entry is almost never applied by a judge but rather deportation is ordered it the accused does not have one of valid defense in the law..You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.
There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.
In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants
If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.
A path to citizenship should certainly require more than just living in the US and having a job. There have been a number proposals as the what that procedure might be.
What's your point? So far I haven't seen any proposal for a "path to citizenship" that required anything more than was required of any citizen of this country: speaking English, paying your taxes, yada, yada, yada. . . .
Is there any reason that illegals should be allowed to remain in this country? I can't think of one.
Poll: Majorities Support Border Wall, Deporting Criminal Illegal Immigrants - Breitbart
Most Americans want them deported. Some prefer if they self deport and don't want to pay to deport them.
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