Trump electable to ANYTHING? Not hardly

[Zoom-boing]

It is a sideshow and Trump is the master manipulator of the media.

The general population is watching with amusement, some starting if the party will implode on this.

Yup.

 

[Flopper]

What you don't seem grasp is that most immigration law is civil law, not criminal law.

Almost half of the illegals in the county entered legally and did not leave or renew their visa at expiration. This is a status violation, not a crime. Illegal entry is a crime but only a misdemeanor which carries a fine of $500 and maximum of 6 mos. jail for a first offense. Deportation is not required by the law except in the case of convicted felons.

To treat illegal immigrants as criminals, then the law must be changed. Deportation would have to be made a penalty and the wide discretion that judges have would have to be removed. I don't agree with this but it's what would be needed to do the mass deportations that Trump proposes.

Then the law needs to be changed. Violations need to criminalized, and if need be set up a mega prison in Alaska to hold em all for their 5 years sentence. This has got way out of hand.
Trump is a jerk, he doesn't believe a word of what he is saying, but a conversation about immigration needs to be started

Then you're back into immigration reform which is a huge can of worms for both parties because many of the issues cross party lines. There is support in both parties for some form of path to citizenship which is violently opposed by others. Stronger penalties for those that hire illegals, legal status for undocumented children brought into the US, Visa monitoring and enforcement, building walls and fences, immigration quotos, etc. Once you seriously put immigration law on the table, the final results may be far different than just stronger treatment of immigration law violations.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

 

[bripat9643]

What you don't seem grasp is that most immigration law is civil law, not criminal law.

Almost half of the illegals in the county entered legally and did not leave or renew their visa at expiration. This is a status violation, not a crime. Illegal entry is a crime but only a misdemeanor which carries a fine of $500 and maximum of 6 mos. jail for a first offense. Deportation is not required by the law except in the case of convicted felons.

To treat illegal immigrants as criminals, then the law must be changed. Deportation would have to be made a penalty and the wide discretion that judges have would have to be removed. I don't agree with this but it's what would be needed to do the mass deportations that Trump proposes.

Then the law needs to be changed. Violations need to criminalized, and if need be set up a mega prison in Alaska to hold em all for their 5 years sentence. This has got way out of hand.
Trump is a jerk, he doesn't believe a word of what he is saying, but a conversation about immigration needs to be started

Then you're back into immigration reform which is a huge can of worms for both parties because many of the issues cross party lines. There is support in both parties for some form of path to citizenship which is violently opposed by others. Stronger penalties for those that hire illegals, legal status for undocumented children brought into the US, Visa monitoring and enforcement, building walls and fences, immigration quotos, etc. Once you seriously put immigration law on the table, the final results may be far different than just stronger treatment of immigration law violations.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

 

[Zoom-boing]

What you don't seem grasp is that most immigration law is civil law, not criminal law.

Almost half of the illegals in the county entered legally and did not leave or renew their visa at expiration. This is a status violation, not a crime. Illegal entry is a crime but only a misdemeanor which carries a fine of $500 and maximum of 6 mos. jail for a first offense. Deportation is not required by the law except in the case of convicted felons.

To treat illegal immigrants as criminals, then the law must be changed. Deportation would have to be made a penalty and the wide discretion that judges have would have to be removed. I don't agree with this but it's what would be needed to do the mass deportations that Trump proposes.

Then the law needs to be changed. Violations need to criminalized, and if need be set up a mega prison in Alaska to hold em all for their 5 years sentence. This has got way out of hand.
Trump is a jerk, he doesn't believe a word of what he is saying, but a conversation about immigration needs to be started

Then you're back into immigration reform which is a huge can of worms for both parties because many of the issues cross party lines. There is support in both parties for some form of path to citizenship which is violently opposed by others. Stronger penalties for those that hire illegals, legal status for undocumented children brought into the US, Visa monitoring and enforcement, building walls and fences, immigration quotos, etc. Once you seriously put immigration law on the table, the final results may be far different than just stronger treatment of immigration law violations.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they were allowed to stay they should never, ever be anything other than legal status/resident. No citizenship. That way they could never vote ... that's their punishment for entering this country illegally.

It'll never happen.

 

[Slyhunter]

What you don't seem grasp is that most immigration law is civil law, not criminal law.

Almost half of the illegals in the county entered legally and did not leave or renew their visa at expiration. This is a status violation, not a crime. Illegal entry is a crime but only a misdemeanor which carries a fine of $500 and maximum of 6 mos. jail for a first offense. Deportation is not required by the law except in the case of convicted felons.

To treat illegal immigrants as criminals, then the law must be changed. Deportation would have to be made a penalty and the wide discretion that judges have would have to be removed. I don't agree with this but it's what would be needed to do the mass deportations that Trump proposes.

Then the law needs to be changed. Violations need to criminalized, and if need be set up a mega prison in Alaska to hold em all for their 5 years sentence. This has got way out of hand.
Trump is a jerk, he doesn't believe a word of what he is saying, but a conversation about immigration needs to be started

Then you're back into immigration reform which is a huge can of worms for both parties because many of the issues cross party lines. There is support in both parties for some form of path to citizenship which is violently opposed by others. Stronger penalties for those that hire illegals, legal status for undocumented children brought into the US, Visa monitoring and enforcement, building walls and fences, immigration quotos, etc. Once you seriously put immigration law on the table, the final results may be far different than just stronger treatment of immigration law violations.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

Allowing them to live here much less work here is amnesty. We dont want low wag immigrants competing for our jobs.

 

[Flopper]

What you don't seem grasp is that most immigration law is civil law, not criminal law.

Almost half of the illegals in the county entered legally and did not leave or renew their visa at expiration. This is a status violation, not a crime. Illegal entry is a crime but only a misdemeanor which carries a fine of $500 and maximum of 6 mos. jail for a first offense. Deportation is not required by the law except in the case of convicted felons.

To treat illegal immigrants as criminals, then the law must be changed. Deportation would have to be made a penalty and the wide discretion that judges have would have to be removed. I don't agree with this but it's what would be needed to do the mass deportations that Trump proposes.

Then the law needs to be changed. Violations need to criminalized, and if need be set up a mega prison in Alaska to hold em all for their 5 years sentence. This has got way out of hand.
Trump is a jerk, he doesn't believe a word of what he is saying, but a conversation about immigration needs to be started

Then you're back into immigration reform which is a huge can of worms for both parties because many of the issues cross party lines. There is support in both parties for some form of path to citizenship which is violently opposed by others. Stronger penalties for those that hire illegals, legal status for undocumented children brought into the US, Visa monitoring and enforcement, building walls and fences, immigration quotos, etc. Once you seriously put immigration law on the table, the final results may be far different than just stronger treatment of immigration law violations.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

What you don't seem grasp is that most immigration law is civil law, not criminal law.

Almost half of the illegals in the county entered legally and did not leave or renew their visa at expiration. This is a status violation, not a crime. Illegal entry is a crime but only a misdemeanor which carries a fine of $500 and maximum of 6 mos. jail for a first offense. Deportation is not required by the law except in the case of convicted felons.

To treat illegal immigrants as criminals, then the law must be changed. Deportation would have to be made a penalty and the wide discretion that judges have would have to be removed. I don't agree with this but it's what would be needed to do the mass deportations that Trump proposes.

Then the law needs to be changed. Violations need to criminalized, and if need be set up a mega prison in Alaska to hold em all for their 5 years sentence. This has got way out of hand.
Trump is a jerk, he doesn't believe a word of what he is saying, but a conversation about immigration needs to be started

Then you're back into immigration reform which is a huge can of worms for both parties because many of the issues cross party lines. There is support in both parties for some form of path to citizenship which is violently opposed by others. Stronger penalties for those that hire illegals, legal status for undocumented children brought into the US, Visa monitoring and enforcement, building walls and fences, immigration quotos, etc. Once you seriously put immigration law on the table, the final results may be far different than just stronger treatment of immigration law violations.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

What you don't seem grasp is that most immigration law is civil law, not criminal law.

Almost half of the illegals in the county entered legally and did not leave or renew their visa at expiration. This is a status violation, not a crime. Illegal entry is a crime but only a misdemeanor which carries a fine of $500 and maximum of 6 mos. jail for a first offense. Deportation is not required by the law except in the case of convicted felons.

To treat illegal immigrants as criminals, then the law must be changed. Deportation would have to be made a penalty and the wide discretion that judges have would have to be removed. I don't agree with this but it's what would be needed to do the mass deportations that Trump proposes.

Then the law needs to be changed. Violations need to criminalized, and if need be set up a mega prison in Alaska to hold em all for their 5 years sentence. This has got way out of hand.
Trump is a jerk, he doesn't believe a word of what he is saying, but a conversation about immigration needs to be started

Then you're back into immigration reform which is a huge can of worms for both parties because many of the issues cross party lines. There is support in both parties for some form of path to citizenship which is violently opposed by others. Stronger penalties for those that hire illegals, legal status for undocumented children brought into the US, Visa monitoring and enforcement, building walls and fences, immigration quotos, etc. Once you seriously put immigration law on the table, the final results may be far different than just stronger treatment of immigration law violations.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

Nearly half the people illegally in the country are not guilty of any crime so there is no need to grant amnesty. They are here with expired visas which by law is a status violation. The law doesn't require any penalty other than barring re-entry if deported. Almost all the remainder of illegals in the country are guilty of only entering the country illegally, a misdemeanor with a penalty of a maximum of 6 months in jail and a fine of $500 for first offense. Except for convicted felons, there is no deportation requirement in the law for either violation. Deportation is an administration procedure, not a penalty that can be applied by the judge if he feels it's warranted. The penalty for illegal entry is almost never applied by a judge but rather deportation is ordered it the accused does not have one of valid defense in the law..

A path to citizenship should certainly require more than just living in the US and having a job. There have been a number proposals as the what that procedure might be.

 

[bripat9643]

Then the law needs to be changed. Violations need to criminalized, and if need be set up a mega prison in Alaska to hold em all for their 5 years sentence. This has got way out of hand.
Trump is a jerk, he doesn't believe a word of what he is saying, but a conversation about immigration needs to be started

Then you're back into immigration reform which is a huge can of worms for both parties because many of the issues cross party lines. There is support in both parties for some form of path to citizenship which is violently opposed by others. Stronger penalties for those that hire illegals, legal status for undocumented children brought into the US, Visa monitoring and enforcement, building walls and fences, immigration quotos, etc. Once you seriously put immigration law on the table, the final results may be far different than just stronger treatment of immigration law violations.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

Then the law needs to be changed. Violations need to criminalized, and if need be set up a mega prison in Alaska to hold em all for their 5 years sentence. This has got way out of hand.
Trump is a jerk, he doesn't believe a word of what he is saying, but a conversation about immigration needs to be started

Then you're back into immigration reform which is a huge can of worms for both parties because many of the issues cross party lines. There is support in both parties for some form of path to citizenship which is violently opposed by others. Stronger penalties for those that hire illegals, legal status for undocumented children brought into the US, Visa monitoring and enforcement, building walls and fences, immigration quotos, etc. Once you seriously put immigration law on the table, the final results may be far different than just stronger treatment of immigration law violations.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

Then the law needs to be changed. Violations need to criminalized, and if need be set up a mega prison in Alaska to hold em all for their 5 years sentence. This has got way out of hand.
Trump is a jerk, he doesn't believe a word of what he is saying, but a conversation about immigration needs to be started

Then you're back into immigration reform which is a huge can of worms for both parties because many of the issues cross party lines. There is support in both parties for some form of path to citizenship which is violently opposed by others. Stronger penalties for those that hire illegals, legal status for undocumented children brought into the US, Visa monitoring and enforcement, building walls and fences, immigration quotos, etc. Once you seriously put immigration law on the table, the final results may be far different than just stronger treatment of immigration law violations.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

Nearly half the people illegally in the country are not guilty of any crime so there is no need to grant amnesty. They are here with expired visas which by law is a status violation. The law doesn't require any penalty other than barring re-entry if deported. Almost all the remainder of illegals in the country are guilty of only entering the country illegally, a misdemeanor with a penalty of a maximum of 6 months in jail and a fine of $500 for first offense. Except for convicted felons, there is no deportation requirement in the law for either violation. Deportation is an administration procedure, not a penalty that can be applied by the judge if he feels it's warranted. The penalty for illegal entry is almost never applied by a judge but rather deportation is ordered it the accused does not have one of valid defense in the law..

A path to citizenship should certainly require more than just living in the US and having a job. There have been a number proposals as the what that procedure might be.

What's your point? So far I haven't seen any proposal for a "path to citizenship" that required anything more than was required of any citizen of this country: speaking English, paying your taxes, yada, yada, yada. . . .

Is there any reason that illegals should be allowed to remain in this country? I can't think of one.

 

[Flopper]

What you don't seem grasp is that most immigration law is civil law, not criminal law.

Almost half of the illegals in the county entered legally and did not leave or renew their visa at expiration. This is a status violation, not a crime. Illegal entry is a crime but only a misdemeanor which carries a fine of $500 and maximum of 6 mos. jail for a first offense. Deportation is not required by the law except in the case of convicted felons.

To treat illegal immigrants as criminals, then the law must be changed. Deportation would have to be made a penalty and the wide discretion that judges have would have to be removed. I don't agree with this but it's what would be needed to do the mass deportations that Trump proposes.

Then the law needs to be changed. Violations need to criminalized, and if need be set up a mega prison in Alaska to hold em all for their 5 years sentence. This has got way out of hand.
Trump is a jerk, he doesn't believe a word of what he is saying, but a conversation about immigration needs to be started

Then you're back into immigration reform which is a huge can of worms for both parties because many of the issues cross party lines. There is support in both parties for some form of path to citizenship which is violently opposed by others. Stronger penalties for those that hire illegals, legal status for undocumented children brought into the US, Visa monitoring and enforcement, building walls and fences, immigration quotos, etc. Once you seriously put immigration law on the table, the final results may be far different than just stronger treatment of immigration law violations.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they were allowed to stay they should never, ever be anything other than legal status/resident. No citizenship. That way they could never vote ... that's their punishment for entering this country illegally.

It'll never happen.

That does seem rather harsh since most of these people are at most only guilty of a misdemeanor. Almost half of them are guilty of no crime at all.

When you limit the upward mobility of a large segment of the population, you create a permanent lower class and that certainly does not benefit the nation.

 

[bripat9643]

Then the law needs to be changed. Violations need to criminalized, and if need be set up a mega prison in Alaska to hold em all for their 5 years sentence. This has got way out of hand.
Trump is a jerk, he doesn't believe a word of what he is saying, but a conversation about immigration needs to be started

Then you're back into immigration reform which is a huge can of worms for both parties because many of the issues cross party lines. There is support in both parties for some form of path to citizenship which is violently opposed by others. Stronger penalties for those that hire illegals, legal status for undocumented children brought into the US, Visa monitoring and enforcement, building walls and fences, immigration quotos, etc. Once you seriously put immigration law on the table, the final results may be far different than just stronger treatment of immigration law violations.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they were allowed to stay they should never, ever be anything other than legal status/resident. No citizenship. That way they could never vote ... that's their punishment for entering this country illegally.

It'll never happen.

That does seem rather harsh since most of these people are at most only guilty of a misdemeanor. Almost half of them are guilty of no crime at all.

When you limit the upward mobility of a large segment of the population, you create a permanent lower class and that certainly does not benefit the nation.

How is that any harsher than shipping them back to Mexico, which is what they deserve? They put some American out of job and drove down wages for the rest. That's what I call "harsh."

 

[Flopper]

Then you're back into immigration reform which is a huge can of worms for both parties because many of the issues cross party lines. There is support in both parties for some form of path to citizenship which is violently opposed by others. Stronger penalties for those that hire illegals, legal status for undocumented children brought into the US, Visa monitoring and enforcement, building walls and fences, immigration quotos, etc. Once you seriously put immigration law on the table, the final results may be far different than just stronger treatment of immigration law violations.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

Then you're back into immigration reform which is a huge can of worms for both parties because many of the issues cross party lines. There is support in both parties for some form of path to citizenship which is violently opposed by others. Stronger penalties for those that hire illegals, legal status for undocumented children brought into the US, Visa monitoring and enforcement, building walls and fences, immigration quotos, etc. Once you seriously put immigration law on the table, the final results may be far different than just stronger treatment of immigration law violations.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

Then you're back into immigration reform which is a huge can of worms for both parties because many of the issues cross party lines. There is support in both parties for some form of path to citizenship which is violently opposed by others. Stronger penalties for those that hire illegals, legal status for undocumented children brought into the US, Visa monitoring and enforcement, building walls and fences, immigration quotos, etc. Once you seriously put immigration law on the table, the final results may be far different than just stronger treatment of immigration law violations.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

Nearly half the people illegally in the country are not guilty of any crime so there is no need to grant amnesty. They are here with expired visas which by law is a status violation. The law doesn't require any penalty other than barring re-entry if deported. Almost all the remainder of illegals in the country are guilty of only entering the country illegally, a misdemeanor with a penalty of a maximum of 6 months in jail and a fine of $500 for first offense. Except for convicted felons, there is no deportation requirement in the law for either violation. Deportation is an administration procedure, not a penalty that can be applied by the judge if he feels it's warranted. The penalty for illegal entry is almost never applied by a judge but rather deportation is ordered it the accused does not have one of valid defense in the law..

A path to citizenship should certainly require more than just living in the US and having a job. There have been a number proposals as the what that procedure might be.

What's your point? So far I haven't seen any proposal for a "path to citizenship" that required anything more than was required of any citizen of this country: speaking English, paying your taxes, yada, yada, yada. . . .

Is there any reason that illegals should be allowed to remain in this country? I can't think of one.

I can think of a couple. 65% of the people in the country don't want them deported so any plan to deport them all would not have the support of the people.. Our existing laws and a host of federal court rulings would make it all but impossible to remove them.

 

[bripat9643]

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

Nearly half the people illegally in the country are not guilty of any crime so there is no need to grant amnesty. They are here with expired visas which by law is a status violation. The law doesn't require any penalty other than barring re-entry if deported. Almost all the remainder of illegals in the country are guilty of only entering the country illegally, a misdemeanor with a penalty of a maximum of 6 months in jail and a fine of $500 for first offense. Except for convicted felons, there is no deportation requirement in the law for either violation. Deportation is an administration procedure, not a penalty that can be applied by the judge if he feels it's warranted. The penalty for illegal entry is almost never applied by a judge but rather deportation is ordered it the accused does not have one of valid defense in the law..

A path to citizenship should certainly require more than just living in the US and having a job. There have been a number proposals as the what that procedure might be.

What's your point? So far I haven't seen any proposal for a "path to citizenship" that required anything more than was required of any citizen of this country: speaking English, paying your taxes, yada, yada, yada. . . .

Is there any reason that illegals should be allowed to remain in this country? I can't think of one.

I can think of a couple. 65% of the people in the country don't want them deported so any plan to deport them all would not have the support of the people.. Our existing laws and a host of federal court rulings would make it all but impossible to remove them.

Public opinion isn't a reason. Furthermore, such polls are highly suspect.

What court rulings have made it impossible to deport illegal aliens?

 

[Slyhunter]

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

The majority of Americans do not support amnesty (a path to citizenship), especially not before the border is sealed - and that means the government demonstrates conclusively that it's sealed, not just gives some baseless promises.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

Nearly half the people illegally in the country are not guilty of any crime so there is no need to grant amnesty. They are here with expired visas which by law is a status violation. The law doesn't require any penalty other than barring re-entry if deported. Almost all the remainder of illegals in the country are guilty of only entering the country illegally, a misdemeanor with a penalty of a maximum of 6 months in jail and a fine of $500 for first offense. Except for convicted felons, there is no deportation requirement in the law for either violation. Deportation is an administration procedure, not a penalty that can be applied by the judge if he feels it's warranted. The penalty for illegal entry is almost never applied by a judge but rather deportation is ordered it the accused does not have one of valid defense in the law..

A path to citizenship should certainly require more than just living in the US and having a job. There have been a number proposals as the what that procedure might be.

What's your point? So far I haven't seen any proposal for a "path to citizenship" that required anything more than was required of any citizen of this country: speaking English, paying your taxes, yada, yada, yada. . . .

Is there any reason that illegals should be allowed to remain in this country? I can't think of one.

I can think of a couple. 65% of the people in the country don't want them deported so any plan to deport them all would not have the support of the people.. Our existing laws and a host of federal court rulings would make it all but impossible to remove them.

The poll of 1,000 likely voters conducted on August 17-18 also probed voter opinion on whether the U.S. should deport all illegal immigrants convicted of felonies. Ninety-two percent of likely GOP voters agreed, while just 4 percent disagreed.
Poll: Majorities Support Border Wall, Deporting Criminal Illegal Immigrants - Breitbart

Most Americans want them deported. Some prefer if they self deport and don't want to pay to deport them.

 

[Redfish]

It is a sideshow and Trump is the master manipulator of the media.

The general population is watching with amusement, some starting if the party will implode on this.

Trump beats hillary in every one of the key swing states. You can demonize and try to denigrate him as much as you want, but the american public is fed up with lying politicians from both parties and wants someone who is not afraid to tell it like it is.

Say it-----------------President Trump.

 

[Mac1958]

Trump beats hillary in every one of the key swing states.

Pretty freakin' amazing, but true.

The election is all about electoral votes, that's it.
.

 

[Redfish]

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

Nearly half the people illegally in the country are not guilty of any crime so there is no need to grant amnesty. They are here with expired visas which by law is a status violation. The law doesn't require any penalty other than barring re-entry if deported. Almost all the remainder of illegals in the country are guilty of only entering the country illegally, a misdemeanor with a penalty of a maximum of 6 months in jail and a fine of $500 for first offense. Except for convicted felons, there is no deportation requirement in the law for either violation. Deportation is an administration procedure, not a penalty that can be applied by the judge if he feels it's warranted. The penalty for illegal entry is almost never applied by a judge but rather deportation is ordered it the accused does not have one of valid defense in the law..

A path to citizenship should certainly require more than just living in the US and having a job. There have been a number proposals as the what that procedure might be.

What's your point? So far I haven't seen any proposal for a "path to citizenship" that required anything more than was required of any citizen of this country: speaking English, paying your taxes, yada, yada, yada. . . .

Is there any reason that illegals should be allowed to remain in this country? I can't think of one.

I can think of a couple. 65% of the people in the country don't want them deported so any plan to deport them all would not have the support of the people.. Our existing laws and a host of federal court rulings would make it all but impossible to remove them.

The poll of 1,000 likely voters conducted on August 17-18 also probed voter opinion on whether the U.S. should deport all illegal immigrants convicted of felonies. Ninety-two percent of likely GOP voters agreed, while just 4 percent disagreed.
Poll: Majorities Support Border Wall, Deporting Criminal Illegal Immigrants - Breitbart

Most Americans want them deported. Some prefer if they self deport and don't want to pay to deport them.

Try to get a dem or lib to tell you why they want to ignore immigration laws and open our borders. They won't tell the truth.

The truth is that the dems and libs see illegals as a new dem voting block. Thats what this is really all about.

 

[Care4all]

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

You're probably right; most American don't want to just make legal residents or citizens out of everyone here illegally. I sure don't.

There's a big difference between amnesty and a path to citizenship. Amnesty grants undocumented immigrants legal status. They don't have to do anything other than apply to receive legal status. A path to citizenship requires a person earn the right to live in this country and/or become a citizens. A wide range of criteria has been proposed such as living here for a number of years with no criminal convictions and maintaining steady employment, learning English, demonstrating a knowledge of how our democracy works, service in armed services, paying back taxes and fees, etc. A gallop poll released in Aug 2015 shows 65% of American favor a path to citizenship. That's up from 64% in 2011 and 59% in 2007. The poll also shows only 14% in 2015, 13% in 2011, and 15% in 2007 favor deporting all illegal immigrants back to their home country.

In U.S., 65% Favor Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

Nearly half the people illegally in the country are not guilty of any crime so there is no need to grant amnesty. They are here with expired visas which by law is a status violation. The law doesn't require any penalty other than barring re-entry if deported. Almost all the remainder of illegals in the country are guilty of only entering the country illegally, a misdemeanor with a penalty of a maximum of 6 months in jail and a fine of $500 for first offense. Except for convicted felons, there is no deportation requirement in the law for either violation. Deportation is an administration procedure, not a penalty that can be applied by the judge if he feels it's warranted. The penalty for illegal entry is almost never applied by a judge but rather deportation is ordered it the accused does not have one of valid defense in the law..

A path to citizenship should certainly require more than just living in the US and having a job. There have been a number proposals as the what that procedure might be.

What's your point? So far I haven't seen any proposal for a "path to citizenship" that required anything more than was required of any citizen of this country: speaking English, paying your taxes, yada, yada, yada. . . .

Is there any reason that illegals should be allowed to remain in this country? I can't think of one.

I can think of a couple. 65% of the people in the country don't want them deported so any plan to deport them all would not have the support of the people.. Our existing laws and a host of federal court rulings would make it all but impossible to remove them.

The poll of 1,000 likely voters conducted on August 17-18 also probed voter opinion on whether the U.S. should deport all illegal immigrants convicted of felonies. Ninety-two percent of likely GOP voters agreed, while just 4 percent disagreed.
Poll: Majorities Support Border Wall, Deporting Criminal Illegal Immigrants - Breitbart

Most Americans want them deported. Some prefer if they self deport and don't want to pay to deport them.

the poll was for FELONS...illegals who have committed a felony....and THIS has been Obama's plan, since deportation funds are LIMITED by how much congress alots to INS for deportations, then they should focus on deporting felons, gang members, drug dealers etc FIRST.....

THIS POLL supports Obama's plan.

 

[Redfish]

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

If they're already here, and they're working, they aren't being asked to do anything that any other American isn't already doing. So how do the "earn" it? Any deal that lets them stay in the country is amnesty, especially if it eventually allows them to become citizens.

Nearly half the people illegally in the country are not guilty of any crime so there is no need to grant amnesty. They are here with expired visas which by law is a status violation. The law doesn't require any penalty other than barring re-entry if deported. Almost all the remainder of illegals in the country are guilty of only entering the country illegally, a misdemeanor with a penalty of a maximum of 6 months in jail and a fine of $500 for first offense. Except for convicted felons, there is no deportation requirement in the law for either violation. Deportation is an administration procedure, not a penalty that can be applied by the judge if he feels it's warranted. The penalty for illegal entry is almost never applied by a judge but rather deportation is ordered it the accused does not have one of valid defense in the law..

A path to citizenship should certainly require more than just living in the US and having a job. There have been a number proposals as the what that procedure might be.

What's your point? So far I haven't seen any proposal for a "path to citizenship" that required anything more than was required of any citizen of this country: speaking English, paying your taxes, yada, yada, yada. . . .

Is there any reason that illegals should be allowed to remain in this country? I can't think of one.

I can think of a couple. 65% of the people in the country don't want them deported so any plan to deport them all would not have the support of the people.. Our existing laws and a host of federal court rulings would make it all but impossible to remove them.

The poll of 1,000 likely voters conducted on August 17-18 also probed voter opinion on whether the U.S. should deport all illegal immigrants convicted of felonies. Ninety-two percent of likely GOP voters agreed, while just 4 percent disagreed.
Poll: Majorities Support Border Wall, Deporting Criminal Illegal Immigrants - Breitbart

Most Americans want them deported. Some prefer if they self deport and don't want to pay to deport them.

the poll was for FELONS...illegals who have committed a felony....and THIS has been Obama's plan, since deportation funds are LIMITED by how much congress alots to INS for deportations, then they should focus on deporting felons, gang members, drug dealers etc FIRST.....

THIS POLL supports Obama's plan.

Obama's plan: deport 100, allow 10,000 to enter illegally. put the 10,000 on welfare and food stamps and give them fake democrat voter cards.

THAT is your messiah's plan and you fricken well know it.

 

[Care4all]

Nearly half the people illegally in the country are not guilty of any crime so there is no need to grant amnesty. They are here with expired visas which by law is a status violation. The law doesn't require any penalty other than barring re-entry if deported. Almost all the remainder of illegals in the country are guilty of only entering the country illegally, a misdemeanor with a penalty of a maximum of 6 months in jail and a fine of $500 for first offense. Except for convicted felons, there is no deportation requirement in the law for either violation. Deportation is an administration procedure, not a penalty that can be applied by the judge if he feels it's warranted. The penalty for illegal entry is almost never applied by a judge but rather deportation is ordered it the accused does not have one of valid defense in the law..

A path to citizenship should certainly require more than just living in the US and having a job. There have been a number proposals as the what that procedure might be.

What's your point? So far I haven't seen any proposal for a "path to citizenship" that required anything more than was required of any citizen of this country: speaking English, paying your taxes, yada, yada, yada. . . .

Is there any reason that illegals should be allowed to remain in this country? I can't think of one.

I can think of a couple. 65% of the people in the country don't want them deported so any plan to deport them all would not have the support of the people.. Our existing laws and a host of federal court rulings would make it all but impossible to remove them.

The poll of 1,000 likely voters conducted on August 17-18 also probed voter opinion on whether the U.S. should deport all illegal immigrants convicted of felonies. Ninety-two percent of likely GOP voters agreed, while just 4 percent disagreed.
Poll: Majorities Support Border Wall, Deporting Criminal Illegal Immigrants - Breitbart

Most Americans want them deported. Some prefer if they self deport and don't want to pay to deport them.

the poll was for FELONS...illegals who have committed a felony....and THIS has been Obama's plan, since deportation funds are LIMITED by how much congress alots to INS for deportations, then they should focus on deporting felons, gang members, drug dealers etc FIRST.....

THIS POLL supports Obama's plan.

Obama's plan: deport 100, allow 10,000 to enter illegally. put the 10,000 on welfare and food stamps and give them fake democrat voter cards.

THAT is your messiah's plan and you fricken well know it.

That's simply a made up, regurgitated, LIE.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Report: Trump’s Dad Was Arrested In Ku Klux Klan Brawl With Police

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Trump lost Starkey's vote