Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response

[DBA]

You Trump sock puppets realize one of the reasons the admin has been under stating the risk of an outbreak in the US is because they are afraid a stock market decline will hurt Big Fat Don's re-election chances, right?

You do realize that if the market continues to go down due to this virus, the Democrats will blame Trump's policies on the decline. Heck, JoeB is dumb enough to think the coronavirus is not the cause of the market decline. The ignorant Democrats will buy the story because they are that gullible and uninformed. The fundamentals of our economy are fantastic, but there is nothing that can be done to account for an event like this. Even if the virus doesn't spread to a significant extent to the US, global supply chains will be disrupted and global markets plummet, which negatively affects US markets. Thanks to Trump's policies, the market should be able to withstand this black swan event.

That's quite a fantasy world you've constructed for yourself. Maybe you should worry less about your money (just like a Trumpist) and more about the human toll the virus is taking.

Please, Democrats don't give a crap about the human toll. They relish the idea the markets are going down because they see it as a way to get one of their loons in office.

 

[berg80]

It was amazing to see that idiot Commie Bernie and the other stupid Democrats last night advocating the same kind of socialized medicine system for the US that has fucked up managing the coronavirus in China.

Gosh. You are breathtakingly uninformed. No wonder you support President Shithole.

 

[DBA]

It was amazing to see that idiot Commie Bernie and the other stupid Democrats last night advocating the same kind of socialized medicine system for the US that has fucked up managing the coronavirus in China.

Gosh. You are breathtakingly uninformed. No wonder you support President Shithole.

No, he is correct. He is able to think ahead to the logical end to crazy Bernie's policies.

 

[berg80]

Please, Democrats don't give a crap about the human toll. They relish the idea the markets are going down because they see it as a way to get one of their loons in office.

Since you're a Trumpist I get that you don't understand other people possess empathy and human compassion.

 

[The Original Tree]

When Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the director-general of the World Health Organization (WHO), declared the Wuhan coronavirus a public health emergency of international concern on Thursday, he praised China for taking “unprecedented” steps to control the deadly virus. “I have never seen for myself this kind of mobilization,” he noted. “China is actually setting a new standard for outbreak response.”


The epidemic control efforts unfolding today in China—including placing some 100 million citizens on lockdown, shutting down a national holiday, building enormous quarantine hospitals in days’ time, and ramping up 24-hour manufacturing of medical equipment—are indeed gargantuan. It’s impossible to watch them without wondering, “What would we do? How would my government respond if this virus spread across my country?”

For the United States, the answers are especially worrying because the government has intentionally rendered itself incapable. In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. In numerous phone calls and emails with key agencies across the U.S. government, the only consistent response I encountered was distressed confusion. If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is, not just for the public but for the government itself, which largely finds itself in the dark.

When Ebola broke out in West Africa in 2014, President Barack Obama recognized that responding to the outbreak overseas, while also protecting Americans at home, involved multiple U.S. government departments and agencies, none of which were speaking to one another. Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was an enormous orchestra full of talented, egotistical players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and demanding higher salaries—all without a conductor. To bring order and harmony to the chaos, rein in the agency egos, and create a coherent multiagency response overseas and on the homefront, Obama anointed a former vice presidential staffer, Ronald Klain, as a sort of “epidemic czar” inside the White House, clearly stipulated the roles and budgets of various agencies, and placed incident commanders in charge in each Ebola-hit country and inside the United States. The orchestra may have still had its off-key instruments, but it played the same tune.

Building on the Ebola experience, the Obama administration set up a permanent epidemic monitoring and command group inside the White House National Security Council (NSC) and another in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)—both of which followed the scientific and public health leads of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the diplomatic advice of the State Department.
Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response
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So, the obvious question is why? Why dismantle the government's response chain of command to a potentially devastating health risk to the nation? Because it was Obama's initiative that created it. Perhaps that is why when Capt. Incompetence is asked about our preparedness he gives the kind of ignorant, vacuous answer he gives to so many complex issues, "we've got it under control." Really?
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The headquarters of the nation’s intelligence apparatus roiled with the ouster of the acting director Joseph Maguire and his replacement by a sharp partisan amid a dispute over Russian election interference. The Justice Department remained on edge with whispers of further resignations, including perhaps even that of Attorney General William P. Barr, after the president’s intervention in a case involving one of his friends. Witnesses from the impeachment inquiry into Mr. Trump have been summarily dismissed. Dozens of policy experts have been cleared out of the National Security Council staff as part of a restructuring that will mean fewer career professionals in range of the president. A deputy national security adviser dogged by innuendo about disloyalty was exiled to the Energy Department. A Trump appointee’s nomination for a top Treasury Department post was pulled. The No. 3 official at the Defense Department was shown the door.

And Johnny McEntee, a 29-year-old loyalist just installed to take over the Office of Presidential Personnel and reporting directly to Mr. Trump, has ordered a freeze on all political appointments across the government. He also convened a meeting to instruct departments to search for people not devoted to the president so they can be removed, according to people briefed about the session, and informed colleagues that he planned to tell cabinet secretaries that the White House would be choosing their deputies from now on.

But career professionals are not the only ones in the cross hairs. Also facing scrutiny are Republican political appointees considered insufficiently committed to the president or suspected of not aggressively advancing his agenda.
Allies of the president say he should be free to make personnel changes, even if it amounts to shedding people who are not seen as loyal to Mr. Trump.
“It is not unusual at all that these types of assessments are done and thereafter changes are made,” said Bradley A. Blakeman, a Republican strategist and former White House official under President George W. Bush.
Nonetheless, the tumult and anxiety come at a time when the Trump administration confronts enormous challenges, including the coronavirus outbreak, Iranian and North Korean nuclear development and Russian determination to play a role again in America’s next election. Democrats, for example, have expressed concerns about the administration’s ability to respond if there were a severe coronavirus outbreak in the United States, noting that a global health security expert position on the National Security Council has been left vacant for almost two years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/22/us/politics/trump-disloyalty-turnover.html

Go back to CHINA

 

[The Original Tree]

You would think, with Trump being such a germaphobe, he would be on top of this

GO Back to China

 

[berg80]

“We are at a turning point”: The coronavirus outbreak is looking more like a pandemic
"We are at a turning point": The coronavirus outbreak is looking more like a pandemic

During the past two months, as the new coronavirus outbreak spiraled into a global threat, countries around the world have scrambled to impose travel bans, quarantine millions, and isolate sick people in an attempt to stop the spread of the new virus.

Yet, as of Tuesday, there were more than 80,000 cases of Covid-19 in nearly 40 countries, including case tolls in Italy, Iran, and South Korea that have surged almost overnight, and an ongoing outbreak on a cruise ship off Japan.

The likelihood that we’re in a pandemic, a new disease that spreads around the world — or that we’re hurtling toward one — seems higher than just a week ago. That means more countries are likely to see spread of the virus within their borders very soon — and that includes the US, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) warned Tuesday.

“The data over the last week, and the spread in other countries, has raised our level of concern and our level of expectation we’re going to have community spread here,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at CDC. “It’s not a question of if this will happen, but when this will happen, and how many people in this country will have severe illnesses.”
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What has President Flim Flam been saying? "What, me worry.?"

 

[Flash]

Since that Russia Russia Russia bullshit and the impeachment scam didn't work out too well for the filthy TDS afflicted Democrats they want a pandemic to blame on Trump. They will exaggerate and bloviate it into a fake crisis.

You see some of it already on this thread.

It is obvious that the priorities of the CDC are screwed up. If they really wanted to stop the spread of a dangerous disease they should be looking for a cure of Trump Derangement Syndrome. It is a lot more destructive to our country than any flu.

 

[berg80]

Since that Russia Russia Russia bullshit and the impeachment scam

What bullshit? What scam? Individual 1 obstructed Mueller and the House and is guilty of both articles of impeachment. Pull your head out of the sand.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

When Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the director-general of the World Health Organization (WHO), declared the Wuhan coronavirus a public health emergency of international concern on Thursday, he praised China for taking “unprecedented” steps to control the deadly virus. “I have never seen for myself this kind of mobilization,” he noted. “China is actually setting a new standard for outbreak response.”


The epidemic control efforts unfolding today in China—including placing some 100 million citizens on lockdown, shutting down a national holiday, building enormous quarantine hospitals in days’ time, and ramping up 24-hour manufacturing of medical equipment—are indeed gargantuan. It’s impossible to watch them without wondering, “What would we do? How would my government respond if this virus spread across my country?”

For the United States, the answers are especially worrying because the government has intentionally rendered itself incapable. In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. In numerous phone calls and emails with key agencies across the U.S. government, the only consistent response I encountered was distressed confusion. If the United States still has a clear chain of command for pandemic response, the White House urgently needs to clarify what it is, not just for the public but for the government itself, which largely finds itself in the dark.

When Ebola broke out in West Africa in 2014, President Barack Obama recognized that responding to the outbreak overseas, while also protecting Americans at home, involved multiple U.S. government departments and agencies, none of which were speaking to one another. Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was an enormous orchestra full of talented, egotistical players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and demanding higher salaries—all without a conductor. To bring order and harmony to the chaos, rein in the agency egos, and create a coherent multiagency response overseas and on the homefront, Obama anointed a former vice presidential staffer, Ronald Klain, as a sort of “epidemic czar” inside the White House, clearly stipulated the roles and budgets of various agencies, and placed incident commanders in charge in each Ebola-hit country and inside the United States. The orchestra may have still had its off-key instruments, but it played the same tune.

Building on the Ebola experience, the Obama administration set up a permanent epidemic monitoring and command group inside the White House National Security Council (NSC) and another in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)—both of which followed the scientific and public health leads of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the diplomatic advice of the State Department.
Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response
..................................................................................................................................
So, the obvious question is why? Why dismantle the government's response chain of command to a potentially devastating health risk to the nation? Because it was Obama's initiative that created it. Perhaps that is why when Capt. Incompetence is asked about our preparedness he gives the kind of ignorant, vacuous answer he gives to so many complex issues, "we've got it under control." Really?
...........................................................................................................................

The headquarters of the nation’s intelligence apparatus roiled with the ouster of the acting director Joseph Maguire and his replacement by a sharp partisan amid a dispute over Russian election interference. The Justice Department remained on edge with whispers of further resignations, including perhaps even that of Attorney General William P. Barr, after the president’s intervention in a case involving one of his friends. Witnesses from the impeachment inquiry into Mr. Trump have been summarily dismissed. Dozens of policy experts have been cleared out of the National Security Council staff as part of a restructuring that will mean fewer career professionals in range of the president. A deputy national security adviser dogged by innuendo about disloyalty was exiled to the Energy Department. A Trump appointee’s nomination for a top Treasury Department post was pulled. The No. 3 official at the Defense Department was shown the door.

And Johnny McEntee, a 29-year-old loyalist just installed to take over the Office of Presidential Personnel and reporting directly to Mr. Trump, has ordered a freeze on all political appointments across the government. He also convened a meeting to instruct departments to search for people not devoted to the president so they can be removed, according to people briefed about the session, and informed colleagues that he planned to tell cabinet secretaries that the White House would be choosing their deputies from now on.

But career professionals are not the only ones in the cross hairs. Also facing scrutiny are Republican political appointees considered insufficiently committed to the president or suspected of not aggressively advancing his agenda.
Allies of the president say he should be free to make personnel changes, even if it amounts to shedding people who are not seen as loyal to Mr. Trump.
“It is not unusual at all that these types of assessments are done and thereafter changes are made,” said Bradley A. Blakeman, a Republican strategist and former White House official under President George W. Bush.
Nonetheless, the tumult and anxiety come at a time when the Trump administration confronts enormous challenges, including the coronavirus outbreak, Iranian and North Korean nuclear development and Russian determination to play a role again in America’s next election. Democrats, for example, have expressed concerns about the administration’s ability to respond if there were a severe coronavirus outbreak in the United States, noting that a global health security expert position on the National Security Council has been left vacant for almost two years.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/22/us/politics/trump-disloyalty-turnover.html

Isn't that why we have a CDC?

 

[toobfreak]

The Chinese government doesn't have to worry about what it's citizens think. If Trump locked down millions of people you loons would gave a stroke.

Seems you've already had one. You can't write, you can't spell, and you don't even link us to anything supporting your lurid claims.

 

[Flash]

It was amazing to see that idiot Commie Bernie and the other stupid Democrats last night advocating the same kind of socialized medicine system for the US that has fucked up managing the coronavirus in China.

Gosh. You are breathtakingly uninformed. No wonder you support President Shithole.

You are confused Moon Bat. I didn't vote for Trump.

Pointing out the failed socialized medicine programs that all these idiot Democrat Clown Presidential Candidates are proposing is a lot more valid than you TDS afflicted uneducated low information morons blaming Trump for mismanaging the virus.

Put the government in charge of your health care. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[berg80]

This would be priceless if it wasn't so tragic. The Orange Stooge doesn't even know how to spell coronavirus.

President Trump on Wednesday attacked CNN and “MSDNC (Comcast)” — a reference to MSNBC — for “doing everything possible to make the Caronavirus look as bad as possible, including panicking markets, if possible.”

 

[OldLady]

Right, except all the evidence I just showed you that the response team that would normally handle a crisis has been gutted.

The CDC and USAMIIRD are still there and they are the groups that would actually respond to the pandemic, the post you are talking about was basically a working group.

Trump administration wants to cut funding from public health preparedness programs
The cuts come as the US health care system braces for coronavirus
Trump administration wants to cut funding from public health preparedness programs

A working group? It was the team that would normally coordinated the government's response. They're gone.

"Democrats, for example, have expressed concerns about the administration’s ability to respond if there were a severe coronavirus outbreak in the United States, noting that a global health security expert position on the National Security Council has been left vacant for almost two years."

Why? Too busy tweeting insults, holding pep rallies, and playing golf.

The CDC handles the actual response. The CDC is still around, as is USAMRIID.

What do you want Trump to do right now? Shut the borders? Quarantine anyone coming in from overseas for 14-21 days?

YES. For as long as it takes.

So now you want him to violate the Constitution?

Quarantining people who may have been exposed is one thing, but doing it to everyone has civil liberty implications.

So does shutting down travel.

I didn't say everyone. I said shut the borders, quarantine anyone who has been overseas. You go looking for civil liberty implications under every loose rock.

 

[OldLady]

This would be priceless if it wasn't so tragic. The Orange Stooge doesn't even know how to spell coronavirus.

President Trump on Wednesday attacked CNN and “MSDNC (Comcast)” — a reference to MSNBC — for “doing everything possible to make the Caronavirus look as bad as possible, including panicking markets, if possible.”

I can't believe he is taking this attitude. Jesus.

 

[martybegan]

The CDC and USAMIIRD are still there and they are the groups that would actually respond to the pandemic, the post you are talking about was basically a working group.

Trump administration wants to cut funding from public health preparedness programs
The cuts come as the US health care system braces for coronavirus
Trump administration wants to cut funding from public health preparedness programs

A working group? It was the team that would normally coordinated the government's response. They're gone.

"Democrats, for example, have expressed concerns about the administration’s ability to respond if there were a severe coronavirus outbreak in the United States, noting that a global health security expert position on the National Security Council has been left vacant for almost two years."

Why? Too busy tweeting insults, holding pep rallies, and playing golf.

The CDC handles the actual response. The CDC is still around, as is USAMRIID.

What do you want Trump to do right now? Shut the borders? Quarantine anyone coming in from overseas for 14-21 days?

YES. For as long as it takes.

So now you want him to violate the Constitution?

Quarantining people who may have been exposed is one thing, but doing it to everyone has civil liberty implications.

So does shutting down travel.

I didn't say everyone. I said shut the borders, quarantine anyone who has been overseas. You go looking for civil liberty implications under every loose rock.

So anyone who has gone overseas? even without being in a virus known area?

Ignoring civil liberty implications is what the Chinese would do, the problem is they are implementing it like the socialists they are, i.e. badly.

 

[martybegan]

This would be priceless if it wasn't so tragic. The Orange Stooge doesn't even know how to spell coronavirus.

President Trump on Wednesday attacked CNN and “MSDNC (Comcast)” — a reference to MSNBC — for “doing everything possible to make the Caronavirus look as bad as possible, including panicking markets, if possible.”

I can't believe he is taking this attitude. Jesus.

What would you rather have him do? Yell "EVERYONE PANIC WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIEEEEEEEE"

The work to be done at this stage is done unseen, in meetings and at border checkpoints, and at local health care facilities.

The Military is also probably prepping field hospitals to be used for quarantine purposes if needed.

The best Trump can do is try to calm the market, and assure people the government is on it.

 

[OldLady]

I know you want to blame Trump by establishing/supposing that 'maybe it wouldn't be so bad' or some other nebulous supposition to pin something on the guy, while health experts are beginning to think there is little that can actually stop this due to reasons I thought I made pretty clear. They could be wrong I suppose, but their thinking seems fairly logical to me.[...]

It is beginning to look like in the same way they can't stop the flu, they can't stop this- and for virtually the same reasons.

You know, dummy, if you don't understand what you are talking about, why don't you read up on the matter?

Yes, Trump significantly underfunded the CDC, and destroyed the infrastructure for pandemic preparedness built up by President Obama. That is crucial, not because there's a way to stop a pandemic. There likely is not, but a well-prepared, long-term effort is both enormously important for the development of a vaccine, and slowing down the spread. That latter saves lives in and of itself, and gives researchers time to understand the virus better and find not cures, but therapies, again, significantly increasing survival rates.

Rest assured, in any at least moderately complex issue, what you think you understand is very, very likely false, horrendously under-complex, and further distorted by Trump sycophancy syndrome. But then, dummy, there is a little test you could have applied: is it better to face a dire situation well prepared, with competent staff at the ready, and funding sufficient to pay for it, as well as solid plans to scale it all up as the need arises? Or is it better to proceed, as Trump did, and dismantle and diminish preparedness? For you came up with the brilliant idea, it doesn't matter, because it's coming anyway. Dullard.

But as we speak, we ARE working on a vaccine, we are testing an anti-viral that may help keep cases mild (most are international patients) and we have successfully isolated the people who have tested positive so far.
So what other actions are you afraid we are not prepared to take?

 

[cnm]

I despise Trump and the Democrats equally- I especially despise ignorance. Look in the mirror for the example I'm speaking to.

Yet one was prepared to deal with epidemics and one is not. Pretty ignorant contempt you have there.

 

[OldLady]

Trump administration wants to cut funding from public health preparedness programs
The cuts come as the US health care system braces for coronavirus
Trump administration wants to cut funding from public health preparedness programs

A working group? It was the team that would normally coordinated the government's response. They're gone.

"Democrats, for example, have expressed concerns about the administration’s ability to respond if there were a severe coronavirus outbreak in the United States, noting that a global health security expert position on the National Security Council has been left vacant for almost two years."

Why? Too busy tweeting insults, holding pep rallies, and playing golf.

The CDC handles the actual response. The CDC is still around, as is USAMRIID.

What do you want Trump to do right now? Shut the borders? Quarantine anyone coming in from overseas for 14-21 days?

YES. For as long as it takes.

So now you want him to violate the Constitution?

Quarantining people who may have been exposed is one thing, but doing it to everyone has civil liberty implications.

So does shutting down travel.

I didn't say everyone. I said shut the borders, quarantine anyone who has been overseas. You go looking for civil liberty implications under every loose rock.

So anyone who has gone overseas? even without being in a virus known area?

Ignoring civil liberty implications is what the Chinese would do, the problem is they are implementing it like the socialists they are, i.e. badly.

So anyone who has gone overseas? even without being in a virus known area?
What about the planes, the airports, the ships that bring them home? That seems to be where a lot is spreading.