Trump orders colleges to back free speech or lose funding

[CWayne]

You were the one trying to make an equivalency between the two.

The TOPIC is ensuring that OUR Universities are not favoring one ideology over another.

Our fight for independence is not part of that topic.

Again the question arises ....does that include Christian Schools and Military Academies?

It applies to anyone who accepts federal dollars.

And if a military academy turns away a speaker promoting gay rights, do you think Trump would remove funding?

You would have to ask Trump that. I don't do progressives projection of what I think he would do in order to win argument points on an internet forum.

Discussion forums are for questions like that but that was my original point. Trump writes EO's but then does nothing. They are a stupid waste of time but people eat them up for some reason.

If a military academy that is taking federal dollars turns away someone speaking in favor of gay rights, that academy should face fines.

Trump's EO says they lose funding.

So, when Obama wrote an EO/EA regarding DACA, was that waste of time?

After all, the left have managed to get a federal judge to act rashly and support it as if it were law.

What is to say that the right won't do the same for this EO?

In reality, why isn't Trump pushing for legislation that specifically criminalizes Universities discriminating against speech?

 

[Jitss617]

University’s should have lost public funding 50 years ago when they took control over MLK..

 

[rightwinger]

Sometimes. Is that not what we did in Boston on December 16, 1773?

My lib buddies? Who is it that often times notes

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

So, you believe that we fought for independence to stop the British use of free speech against us?

While I expect this out of some I had sort of expected more out of you.

You were the one trying to make an equivalency between the two.

The TOPIC is ensuring that OUR Universities are not favoring one ideology over another.

Our fight for independence is not part of that topic.

Again the question arises ....does that include Christian Schools and Military Academies?

Christian Universities aren't the best example but Military Academies would be excellent examples. I'm sure the argument would be that they should get "special exemptions".

So cadets at military academies should be “indoctrinated”?

 

[Mac-7]

Well, that is too bad for them. They can spend 10's of thousands of dollars less and learn a skill that directly benefits society.

Right, only the rich and well connected kids should be able to access higher educations. Sheesh,

They are permitted to PEACABLY protest as long as the protest does NOT interfere with the right of others to speak or otherwise exercise their Constitutional rights.

Or they are willing to accept the consequences. Like the people in Boston did on December 16 1773.

Or Rosa Parks did when she said "no".

If the lefty students want to act like 3-year olds and break all their toys they can just stand in the corner till they grow up

Not a fan of freedom and equality I see. OK, then.

I’m not a fan or riots and violence

see post #558

Without them we are still flying the Union Jack and blacks still have to drink out of separate fountains.

You want to overthrow the government?

How does suppressing free speech at liberal colleges accomplish that?

 

[Mac-7]

So, you believe that we fought for independence to stop the British use of free speech against us?

While I expect this out of some I had sort of expected more out of you.

You were the one trying to make an equivalency between the two.

The TOPIC is ensuring that OUR Universities are not favoring one ideology over another.

Our fight for independence is not part of that topic.

Again the question arises ....does that include Christian Schools and Military Academies?

Christian Universities aren't the best example but Military Academies would be excellent examples. I'm sure the argument would be that they should get "special exemptions".

So cadets at military academies should be “indoctrinated”?

They should avoid politics

 

[pknopp]

Again the question arises ....does that include Christian Schools and Military Academies?

It applies to anyone who accepts federal dollars.

And if a military academy turns away a speaker promoting gay rights, do you think Trump would remove funding?

You would have to ask Trump that. I don't do progressives projection of what I think he would do in order to win argument points on an internet forum.

Discussion forums are for questions like that but that was my original point. Trump writes EO's but then does nothing. They are a stupid waste of time but people eat them up for some reason.

If a military academy that is taking federal dollars turns away someone speaking in favor of gay rights, that academy should face fines.

Trump's EO says they lose funding.

So, when Obama wrote an EO/EA regarding DACA, was that waste to time?

I addressed that already.

Obama Broke His Promise to Latinos

It was the act of a coward on his way out of the door.

After all, the left have managed to get a federal judge to act rashly and support it as if it were law.

What is to say that the right won't do the same for this EO?

In reality, why isn't Trump pushing for legislation the specifically criminalizes Universities discriminating against speech oppression?

I said that if that is what he wants that is what he should do. Not write lazy EO's. I thought you said you had read what I wrote already?

 

[pknopp]

Right, only the rich and well connected kids should be able to access higher educations. Sheesh,

Or they are willing to accept the consequences. Like the people in Boston did on December 16 1773.

Or Rosa Parks did when she said "no".

If the lefty students want to act like 3-year olds and break all their toys they can just stand in the corner till they grow up

Not a fan of freedom and equality I see. OK, then.

I’m not a fan or riots and violence

see post #558

Without them we are still flying the Union Jack and blacks still have to drink out of separate fountains.

You want to overthrow the government?

How does suppressing free speech at liberal colleges accomplish that?

I wanted to address your point. Obviously I did since you felt to reply as you did.

 

[Mac-7]

Well, that is too bad for them. They can spend 10's of thousands of dollars less and learn a skill that directly benefits society.

Right, only the rich and well connected kids should be able to access higher educations. Sheesh,

They are permitted to PEACABLY protest as long as the protest does NOT interfere with the right of others to speak or otherwise exercise their Constitutional rights.

Or they are willing to accept the consequences. Like the people in Boston did on December 16 1773.

Or Rosa Parks did when she said "no".

If the lefty students want to act like 3-year olds and break all their toys they can just stand in the corner till they grow up

Not a fan of freedom and equality I see. OK, then.

I’m not a fan or riots and violence

see post #558

Without them we are still flying the Union Jack and blacks still have to drink out of separate fountains.

I will take issue with the second part

MLK is honored because he accomplished civil rights WITHOUT riots

he peacefully persuaded a majority of whites to afford fair treatment to blacks

 

[CWayne]

It applies to anyone who accepts federal dollars.

And if a military academy turns away a speaker promoting gay rights, do you think Trump would remove funding?

You would have to ask Trump that. I don't do progressives projection of what I think he would do in order to win argument points on an internet forum.

Discussion forums are for questions like that but that was my original point. Trump writes EO's but then does nothing. They are a stupid waste of time but people eat them up for some reason.

If a military academy that is taking federal dollars turns away someone speaking in favor of gay rights, that academy should face fines.

Trump's EO says they lose funding.

So, when Obama wrote an EO/EA regarding DACA, was that waste to time?

I addressed that already.

Obama Broke His Promise to Latinos

It was the act of a coward on his way out of the door.

After all, the left have managed to get a federal judge to act rashly and support it as if it were law.

What is to say that the right won't do the same for this EO?

In reality, why isn't Trump pushing for legislation the specifically criminalizes Universities discriminating against speech oppression?

I said that if that is what he wants that is what he should do. Not write lazy EO's. I thought you said you had read what I wrote already?

Every Executive for the past 50 years has lazily written EO's. It is a reality that we have to deal with.

The sad part of this is that this is even a thing. There are people here and in the rest of the country who are actually defending the practice of oppression speech they disagree with.

 

[Mac-7]

If the lefty students want to act like 3-year olds and break all their toys they can just stand in the corner till they grow up

Not a fan of freedom and equality I see. OK, then.

I’m not a fan or riots and violence

see post #558

Without them we are still flying the Union Jack and blacks still have to drink out of separate fountains.

You want to overthrow the government?

How does suppressing free speech at liberal colleges accomplish that?

I wanted to address your point. Obviously I did since you felt to reply as you did.

You did not address #558

Liberal students at our universities have the temperament of 3-year old children who must express themselves with violent action instead of thoughts and reason

 

[pknopp]

Right, only the rich and well connected kids should be able to access higher educations. Sheesh,

Or they are willing to accept the consequences. Like the people in Boston did on December 16 1773.

Or Rosa Parks did when she said "no".

If the lefty students want to act like 3-year olds and break all their toys they can just stand in the corner till they grow up

Not a fan of freedom and equality I see. OK, then.

I’m not a fan or riots and violence

see post #558

Without them we are still flying the Union Jack and blacks still have to drink out of separate fountains.

I will take issue with the second part

MLK is honored because he accomplished civil rights WITHOUT riots

he peacefully persuaded a majority of whites to afford fair treatment to blacks

It really wasn't the blacks that started the violence. Unless you consider not doing what you are told violence. Rosa Parks didn't get arrested because she was violent. It did lead to violence. Beatings by the police and water cannons because blacks wouldn't mind their place.

 

[CowboyTed]

Guess Trump gets to decide what speech he will protect

He didn’t protect free speech in the NFL

Does the NFL get federal funding? Does the NFL purport to be open spaces for the free exchange of ideas?

It does https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/gayerdrukkergold_stadiumsubsidies_090816.pdf

federal taxpayers have subsidized the construction of 36 stadiums at a cost of over $3.2 billion since 2000.

Just saying....

 

[pknopp]

Not a fan of freedom and equality I see. OK, then.

I’m not a fan or riots and violence

see post #558

Without them we are still flying the Union Jack and blacks still have to drink out of separate fountains.

You want to overthrow the government?

How does suppressing free speech at liberal colleges accomplish that?

I wanted to address your point. Obviously I did since you felt to reply as you did.

You did not address #558

Liberal students at our universities have the temperament of 3-year old children who must express themselves with violent action instead of thoughts and reason

I did address 558. I am not going to reply to your vast generalizations. If you have a specific instance, I will address my opinion.

 

[pknopp]

And if a military academy turns away a speaker promoting gay rights, do you think Trump would remove funding?

You would have to ask Trump that. I don't do progressives projection of what I think he would do in order to win argument points on an internet forum.

Discussion forums are for questions like that but that was my original point. Trump writes EO's but then does nothing. They are a stupid waste of time but people eat them up for some reason.

If a military academy that is taking federal dollars turns away someone speaking in favor of gay rights, that academy should face fines.

Trump's EO says they lose funding.

So, when Obama wrote an EO/EA regarding DACA, was that waste to time?

I addressed that already.

Obama Broke His Promise to Latinos

It was the act of a coward on his way out of the door.

After all, the left have managed to get a federal judge to act rashly and support it as if it were law.

What is to say that the right won't do the same for this EO?

In reality, why isn't Trump pushing for legislation the specifically criminalizes Universities discriminating against speech oppression?

I said that if that is what he wants that is what he should do. Not write lazy EO's. I thought you said you had read what I wrote already?

Every Executive for the past 50 years has lazily written EO's. It is a reality that we have to deal with.

No we do not. We do because we do not want the "other guy" to win so we condemn their guy when they do it but defend our guy when they do it. Stop defending it.

The sad part of this is that this is even a thing. There are people here and in the rest of the country who are actually defending the practice of oppression speech they disagree with.

All around.

 

[Mac-7]

If the lefty students want to act like 3-year olds and break all their toys they can just stand in the corner till they grow up

Not a fan of freedom and equality I see. OK, then.

I’m not a fan or riots and violence

see post #558

Without them we are still flying the Union Jack and blacks still have to drink out of separate fountains.

I will take issue with the second part

MLK is honored because he accomplished civil rights WITHOUT riots

he peacefully persuaded a majority of whites to afford fair treatment to blacks

It really wasn't the blacks that started the violence. Unless you consider not doing what you are told violence. Rosa Parks didn't get arrested because she was violent. It did lead to violence. Beatings by the police and water cannons because blacks wouldn't mind their place.

What I said was that the civil rights movement lead by MLK is notable because it did not involve riots by black people or terrorism that occurs in other cultures

though it may have been modeled on the example of Gandhi in india

MLK persuaded with reason not fists

 

[Ringtone]

Colleges have the right not to promote hate speech.

Promote hate speech? What in the hell are you talking about? Define hate speech. I regard virtually everything that falls from the lips of leftists hate speech: a river of lies, a stream of racist, race-baiting filth, sexual degeneracy, hatred of America and liberty.

 

[pknopp]

Not a fan of freedom and equality I see. OK, then.

I’m not a fan or riots and violence

see post #558

Without them we are still flying the Union Jack and blacks still have to drink out of separate fountains.

You want to overthrow the government?

How does suppressing free speech at liberal colleges accomplish that?

I wanted to address your point. Obviously I did since you felt to reply as you did.

You did not address #558

Liberal students at our universities have the temperament of 3-year old children who must express themselves with violent action instead of thoughts and reason

Republicans dont like government students loans because it allows minorities to move above their proper standing as they perceive it.

Seriously, it's not that difficult to provide examples if you have a case to make. If you prefer to deal in vast generalization that is my last reply in kind to you about yours.

 

[IM2]

Colleges have the right not to promote hate speech.

Then you would be barred from every college in the country.

Nah. Because I am not speaking hate. You just don't get it. Nobody has to accept or be quiet about the continuing racism of whites like you. You've listened to the president of race pimping, Rush Limbaugh, for too long son.

 

[pknopp]

Not a fan of freedom and equality I see. OK, then.

I’m not a fan or riots and violence

see post #558

Without them we are still flying the Union Jack and blacks still have to drink out of separate fountains.

I will take issue with the second part

MLK is honored because he accomplished civil rights WITHOUT riots

he peacefully persuaded a majority of whites to afford fair treatment to blacks

It really wasn't the blacks that started the violence. Unless you consider not doing what you are told violence. Rosa Parks didn't get arrested because she was violent. It did lead to violence. Beatings by the police and water cannons because blacks wouldn't mind their place.

What I said was that the civil rights movement lead by MLK is notable because it did not involve riots by black people or terrorism that occurs in other cultures

though it may have been modeled on the example of Gandhi in india

MLK persuaded with reason not fists

It's too bad the other side had other things in mind.

 

[Mac-7]

I’m not a fan or riots and violence

see post #558

Without them we are still flying the Union Jack and blacks still have to drink out of separate fountains.

You want to overthrow the government?

How does suppressing free speech at liberal colleges accomplish that?

I wanted to address your point. Obviously I did since you felt to reply as you did.

You did not address #558

Liberal students at our universities have the temperament of 3-year old children who must express themselves with violent action instead of thoughts and reason

I did address 558. I am not going to reply to your vast generalizations. If you have a specific instance, I will address my opinion.

Pick any liberal student riot at any liberal university

there are plenty to choose from

the students claim the only response to speech they dont like is violence

which makes them over-educated morons

Middlebury Professor Injured as Protest Against Racist Author Turns Violent

Middlebury Professor Injured as Protest Against Racist Author Turns Violent