Trump says Hillary started the Birther Movement. Not True!

[Syriusly]

Yeah and there are still 9/11 truthers.

They too will continue to presume that there is some conspiracy.

I will be in total agreement with you once Obama shows his original. Whether or not Obama was born in the US totally irrelevant at this point in time in his presidency. A few years ago, maybe, then it could be used to impeach him.

LOL- if any President was not eligible that would be relevant at any time in his presidency.

Your bizarre beliefs about his birth certificate are entirely irrelevant to anyone but you.

I'd rather discuss his disastrous record rather than where he was or wasn't born. s.

Then why are you participating in this thread?

This thread has nothing to do with his record as President- only who started the idiotic claims that Obama was not born in the United States.

You have a right to believe that Obama not showing or mentioning anything about his own birth certificate isn't suspicious. I am not a blind follower of a politician who has established himself as a professional liar, as you are. And lying about his birth would be in line with all the aggregious lies he's provided the nation so far.

But President Obama is not the one telling you where the original birth certificate is.

You don't believe the State of Hawaii.

Because you are a Birther- and Birthers rely upon lies, innuendo, and speculation - and are fact adverse.

 

[Syriusly]

'Like I said' being the operative phrase. You 'saying' something is meaningless, as you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Prove that Obama holds an original birth certificate. You can't. You're done.

While I have the Director of the State of Hawaii that confirm that Hawaii holds Obama's original vital documents. Obliterating your claims yet again.

Try again birther.

A certified copy although the same legally, can look differently and contain different information than the original. Have you seen an original from like 40 or 50 years ago, and compare it to what they issue today? Not the same.

You clearly didn't quite understand the verb I was using. I said 'Prove that Obama holds an original birth certificate'.

Which you apparently took as 'babble about Obama's original birth certificate'. You've made the claim that Obama holds his original birth certificate. I dispute the claim. Hawaii has affirmed that THEY hold Obama's original birth certificate.

Both disproving your claim and demonstrating that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Well he or his guardians did at some point in time hold an original birth certificate, we know that because he was issued a US passport, and the only way he gets that would because he held a US born birth certificate.

Certainly circumstantial evidence points to at some point that Barack Obama or his family had a legal copy of his birth certificate.

But that is all that is required for a birth certificate- a certified legal copy.

You choose to speculate that he had some 'original' other than the one the State of Hawaii has.

That is your burden.

Well, where is his original or like you said "legal copy" which was produced in order for Obama to obtain a U.S. Passport, when he was young? And what has Obama said about its status?

Why would I or any rational person care?

The original is on file with the State of Hawaii. We have seen now two legal birth certificates for Barack Obama- both verified by the State of Hawaii.

Asking where a form he might have had 50 years ago is no more relevant than asking where his original driver's license is.

 

[Roudy]

I will be in total agreement with you once Obama shows his original. Whether or not Obama was born in the US totally irrelevant at this point in time in his presidency. A few years ago, maybe, then it could be used to impeach him.

LOL- if any President was not eligible that would be relevant at any time in his presidency.

Your bizarre beliefs about his birth certificate are entirely irrelevant to anyone but you.

I'd rather discuss his disastrous record rather than where he was or wasn't born. s.

Then why are you participating in this thread?

This thread has nothing to do with his record as President- only who started the idiotic claims that Obama was not born in the United States.

You have a right to believe that Obama not showing or mentioning anything about his own birth certificate isn't suspicious. I am not a blind follower of a politician who has established himself as a professional liar, as you are. And lying about his birth would be in line with all the aggregious lies he's provided the nation so far.

But President Obama is not the one telling you where the original birth certificate is.

You don't believe the State of Hawaii.

Because you are a Birther- and Birthers rely upon lies, innuendo, and speculation - and are fact adverse.

In a day and age when Obama sends his hitmen officials in the govt., like Hillary and Rice to lie to the nation about Ben Ghazi , and sics the IRS director to go after republican rivals, or all the violations Holder has committed during his tenure, is it beyond Obama to have used his influence and connections to manipulate the paperwork or certain officials at the clerks office? No it surely isn't.

Had he pulled out his original birth certificate in a timely fashion and shown it to the nation, this "conspiracy" would have been dead on arrival. His highly suspicious behavior is what gave the accusation legs.

 

[Syriusly]

LOL- if any President was not eligible that would be relevant at any time in his presidency.

Your bizarre beliefs about his birth certificate are entirely irrelevant to anyone but you.

I'd rather discuss his disastrous record rather than where he was or wasn't born. s.

Then why are you participating in this thread?

This thread has nothing to do with his record as President- only who started the idiotic claims that Obama was not born in the United States.

You have a right to believe that Obama not showing or mentioning anything about his own birth certificate isn't suspicious. I am not a blind follower of a politician who has established himself as a professional liar, as you are. And lying about his birth would be in line with all the aggregious lies he's provided the nation so far.

But President Obama is not the one telling you where the original birth certificate is.

You don't believe the State of Hawaii.

Because you are a Birther- and Birthers rely upon lies, innuendo, and speculation - and are fact adverse.

In a day and age when Obama sends his hitmen officials in the govt., like Hillary and Rice to lie to the nation about Ben Ghazi , and sics the IRS director to go after republican rivals, or all the violations Holder has committed during his tenure, is it beyond Obama to have used his influence and connections to manipulate the paperwork or certain officials at the clerks office? No it surely isn't.

Had he pulled out his original birth certificate in a timely fashion and shown it to the nation, this "conspiracy" would have been dead on arrival. His highly suspicious behavior is what gave the accusation legs.

LOL- like you have said repeatedly- you believe Obama is a liar.

You will and you would assume that any document he produced- and anything he said- would be false.

You also refuse to believe the statements of the Republican Director of Health, her successor- or the civil servant Registrar of Records- because you are a Birther.

And you will never believe anything other than the Birther meme.

 

[Roudy]

I'd rather discuss his disastrous record rather than where he was or wasn't born. s.

Then why are you participating in this thread?

This thread has nothing to do with his record as President- only who started the idiotic claims that Obama was not born in the United States.

You have a right to believe that Obama not showing or mentioning anything about his own birth certificate isn't suspicious. I am not a blind follower of a politician who has established himself as a professional liar, as you are. And lying about his birth would be in line with all the aggregious lies he's provided the nation so far.

But President Obama is not the one telling you where the original birth certificate is.

You don't believe the State of Hawaii.

Because you are a Birther- and Birthers rely upon lies, innuendo, and speculation - and are fact adverse.

In a day and age when Obama sends his hitmen officials in the govt., like Hillary and Rice to lie to the nation about Ben Ghazi , and sics the IRS director to go after republican rivals, or all the violations Holder has committed during his tenure, is it beyond Obama to have used his influence and connections to manipulate the paperwork or certain officials at the clerks office? No it surely isn't.

Had he pulled out his original birth certificate in a timely fashion and shown it to the nation, this "conspiracy" would have been dead on arrival. His highly suspicious behavior is what gave the accusation legs.

LOL- like you have said repeatedly- you believe Obama is a liar.

You will and you would assume that any document he produced- and anything he said- would be false.

You also refuse to believe the statements of the Republican Director of Health, her successor- or the civil servant Registrar of Records- because you are a Birther.

And you will never believe anything other than the Birther meme.

Yes, that is correct, he has a horrible record, and his behavior during the country of birth saga is consistent with his record of lying and deception. The truth, whatever it may be, will come out when the nation finds out about Obama's original birth certificate.

 

[Syriusly]

Then why are you participating in this thread?

This thread has nothing to do with his record as President- only who started the idiotic claims that Obama was not born in the United States.

You have a right to believe that Obama not showing or mentioning anything about his own birth certificate isn't suspicious. I am not a blind follower of a politician who has established himself as a professional liar, as you are. And lying about his birth would be in line with all the aggregious lies he's provided the nation so far.

But President Obama is not the one telling you where the original birth certificate is.

You don't believe the State of Hawaii.

Because you are a Birther- and Birthers rely upon lies, innuendo, and speculation - and are fact adverse.

In a day and age when Obama sends his hitmen officials in the govt., like Hillary and Rice to lie to the nation about Ben Ghazi , and sics the IRS director to go after republican rivals, or all the violations Holder has committed during his tenure, is it beyond Obama to have used his influence and connections to manipulate the paperwork or certain officials at the clerks office? No it surely isn't.

Had he pulled out his original birth certificate in a timely fashion and shown it to the nation, this "conspiracy" would have been dead on arrival. His highly suspicious behavior is what gave the accusation legs.

LOL- like you have said repeatedly- you believe Obama is a liar.

You will and you would assume that any document he produced- and anything he said- would be false.

You also refuse to believe the statements of the Republican Director of Health, her successor- or the civil servant Registrar of Records- because you are a Birther.

And you will never believe anything other than the Birther meme.

Yes, that is correct, he has a horrible record, and his behavior during the country of birth saga is consistent with his record of lying and deception. The truth, whatever it may be, will come out when the nation finds out about Obama's original birth certificate.

....which is in a vault in the Department of Health in Hawaii.

Oh wait- the nation already knows about that- and has for 4 years.

 

[Roudy]

You have a right to believe that Obama not showing or mentioning anything about his own birth certificate isn't suspicious. I am not a blind follower of a politician who has established himself as a professional liar, as you are. And lying about his birth would be in line with all the aggregious lies he's provided the nation so far.

But President Obama is not the one telling you where the original birth certificate is.

You don't believe the State of Hawaii.

Because you are a Birther- and Birthers rely upon lies, innuendo, and speculation - and are fact adverse.

In a day and age when Obama sends his hitmen officials in the govt., like Hillary and Rice to lie to the nation about Ben Ghazi , and sics the IRS director to go after republican rivals, or all the violations Holder has committed during his tenure, is it beyond Obama to have used his influence and connections to manipulate the paperwork or certain officials at the clerks office? No it surely isn't.

Had he pulled out his original birth certificate in a timely fashion and shown it to the nation, this "conspiracy" would have been dead on arrival. His highly suspicious behavior is what gave the accusation legs.

LOL- like you have said repeatedly- you believe Obama is a liar.

You will and you would assume that any document he produced- and anything he said- would be false.

You also refuse to believe the statements of the Republican Director of Health, her successor- or the civil servant Registrar of Records- because you are a Birther.

And you will never believe anything other than the Birther meme.

Yes, that is correct, he has a horrible record, and his behavior during the country of birth saga is consistent with his record of lying and deception. The truth, whatever it may be, will come out when the nation finds out about Obama's original birth certificate.

....which is in a vault in the Department of Health in Hawaii.

Oh wait- the nation already knows about that- and has for 4 years.

Again, why do you confuse yourself? The "one" in the so called vault, if real, should be matching identically to the one that Obama or his parents were first issued as the original. Where is Obama's original? Not the copy that he provided via the state in 2007.

 

[Syriusly]

But President Obama is not the one telling you where the original birth certificate is.

You don't believe the State of Hawaii.

Because you are a Birther- and Birthers rely upon lies, innuendo, and speculation - and are fact adverse.

In a day and age when Obama sends his hitmen officials in the govt., like Hillary and Rice to lie to the nation about Ben Ghazi , and sics the IRS director to go after republican rivals, or all the violations Holder has committed during his tenure, is it beyond Obama to have used his influence and connections to manipulate the paperwork or certain officials at the clerks office? No it surely isn't.

Had he pulled out his original birth certificate in a timely fashion and shown it to the nation, this "conspiracy" would have been dead on arrival. His highly suspicious behavior is what gave the accusation legs.

LOL- like you have said repeatedly- you believe Obama is a liar.

You will and you would assume that any document he produced- and anything he said- would be false.

You also refuse to believe the statements of the Republican Director of Health, her successor- or the civil servant Registrar of Records- because you are a Birther.

And you will never believe anything other than the Birther meme.

Yes, that is correct, he has a horrible record, and his behavior during the country of birth saga is consistent with his record of lying and deception. The truth, whatever it may be, will come out when the nation finds out about Obama's original birth certificate.

....which is in a vault in the Department of Health in Hawaii.

Oh wait- the nation already knows about that- and has for 4 years.

Again, why do you confuse yourself? The "one" in the so called vault, if real, should be matching identically to the one that Obama or his parents were first issued as the original. Where is Obama's original? Not the copy that he provided via the state in 2007.

The original birth certificate is in the vault in Hawaii- as the State of Hawaii says.

That is the original.

Everything else is just a certified copy.

And every single certified copy- and original- is legal proof of anyone's place of birth.

Not that you will believe anything but your preconceived notions.

Such is the lot of a Birther.

 

[jillian]

because birfers are idiots who deserve to be treated with contempt.

Haters like you will always lose in the end...

that's funny coming from one of the biggest haters on the board.

now run along and stop projecting.

 

[Roudy]

In a day and age when Obama sends his hitmen officials in the govt., like Hillary and Rice to lie to the nation about Ben Ghazi , and sics the IRS director to go after republican rivals, or all the violations Holder has committed during his tenure, is it beyond Obama to have used his influence and connections to manipulate the paperwork or certain officials at the clerks office? No it surely isn't.

Had he pulled out his original birth certificate in a timely fashion and shown it to the nation, this "conspiracy" would have been dead on arrival. His highly suspicious behavior is what gave the accusation legs.

LOL- like you have said repeatedly- you believe Obama is a liar.

You will and you would assume that any document he produced- and anything he said- would be false.

You also refuse to believe the statements of the Republican Director of Health, her successor- or the civil servant Registrar of Records- because you are a Birther.

And you will never believe anything other than the Birther meme.

Yes, that is correct, he has a horrible record, and his behavior during the country of birth saga is consistent with his record of lying and deception. The truth, whatever it may be, will come out when the nation finds out about Obama's original birth certificate.

....which is in a vault in the Department of Health in Hawaii.

Oh wait- the nation already knows about that- and has for 4 years.

Again, why do you confuse yourself? The "one" in the so called vault, if real, should be matching identically to the one that Obama or his parents were first issued as the original. Where is Obama's original? Not the copy that he provided via the state in 2007.

The original birth certificate is in the vault in Hawaii- as the State of Hawaii says.

That is the original.

Everything else is just a certified copy.

And every single certified copy- and original- is legal proof of anyone's place of birth.

Not that you will believe anything but your preconceived notions.

Such is the lot of a Birther.

Wrong. The state issues an original shortly after a child's birth, usually upon request. The birth certificate and information provided by the state on behalf of Obama occurred in 2007. So where is his prior, perhaps original birth certificate that was used to obtain his first U.S. passport?

Passport Requirements for United States Passports

Passport requirements - proof of US citizenship
You can prove your US citizenship with one of the following:

• Original Birth Certificate (if born in the United States);
• or Old (undamaged) passport;
• or Original Certificate of Citizenship or FS-240, DS-1350 ( if born outside the US );
• or Original Certificate of Naturalization issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Office.

 

[Skylar]

The state issues a certified copy which is used to obtain passports. Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The State of Hawaii holds the original vital documents. Remember, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

And since Obama was born in Hawaii....all your embassy babble is gloriously irrelevant.

Like I said, certified copy, although the same as far as proof of US citizenship and legality of it, is not exactly the same as the one you are first issued as a child, which is your original. Especially when it comes to this issue.

'Like I said' being the operative phrase. You 'saying' something is meaningless, as you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Prove that Obama holds an original birth certificate. You can't. You're done.

While I have the Director of the State of Hawaii that confirm that Hawaii holds Obama's original vital documents. Obliterating your claims yet again.

Try again birther.

A certified copy although the same legally, can look differently and contain different information than the original. Have you seen an original from like 40 or 50 years ago, and compare it to what they issue today? Not the same.

You clearly didn't quite understand the verb I was using. I said 'Prove that Obama holds an original birth certificate'.

Which you apparently took as 'babble about Obama's original birth certificate'. You've made the claim that Obama holds his original birth certificate. I dispute the claim. Hawaii has affirmed that THEY hold Obama's original birth certificate.

Both disproving your claim and demonstrating that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Well he or his guardians did at some point in time hold an original birth certificate, we know that because he was issued a US passport, and the only way he gets that would because he held a US born birth certificate.

You claim that Obama has his 'original birth certificate'. But you can't factually establish that. Its just you....citing you.

That's not evidence. That's just you making shit up. The State of Hawaii affirming that Hawaii has Obama's original vital documents, that is evidence. And it contradicts your narrative.

So your argument has nothing supporting it. And the State of Hawaii contradicting it. Why would I believe you, and ignore Hawaii?

 

[Skylar]

Wrong. The state issues an original shortly after a child's birth, usually upon request. The birth certificate and information provided by the state on behalf of Obama occurred in 2007. So where is his prior, perhaps original birth certificate that was used to obtain his first U.S. passport?

Passport Requirements for United States Passports

Passport requirements - proof of US citizenship
You can prove your US citizenship with one of the following:

• Original Birth Certificate (if born in the United States);
• or Old (undamaged) passport;
• or Original Certificate of Citizenship or FS-240, DS-1350 ( if born outside the US );
• or Original Certificate of Naturalization issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Office.

And when you click on the link for 'birth certificate'.....this is what it says:

An official certificate of every birth should be on file in the locality where the event occurred. The Federal Government does not maintain files or indexes of these records. These records are filed permanently in a State vital statistics office or in a city, county, or other local office.

To obtain a certified copy of any of the certificates, write or go to the vital statistics office in the State or area where the event occurred. For information on how and where to apply directly please visit Where To Write For Vital Records or for expedited services you can use VitalChek's express certificate ordering service.

A certified copy. This is your OWN source. And it explicitly contradicts you twice. First, in affirming that an original birth certificate is a certified copy. And second, by affirming that birth certificates are filed permenantly in the State vital statistics office.

Like, oh, say......the Department of Health of Hawaii.

And the Department of Health of Hawaii affirmed that 1) It holds Obama's original vital records 2) That Obama was born in Hawaii. You simply ignore them. And you ignoring evidence isn't a lack of evidence. Its merely willful ignorance. Which isn't a reasonable standard of doubt.

Asking questions is fine. Ignoring answers is why you're a birther.

 

[Skylar]

Oh, and here's the US government's requirements for establishing US citizenship for a passport:

Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (You must submit one of the following. Photocopies and notarized copies are not acceptable):

• Previously issued, undamaged, and fully valid U.S. Passport (5 year for minors or 10 years for adults)
• Certified U.S. birth certificate (must meet all of the following requirements):
  • Issued by the City, County, or State of birth
  • Lists bearer's full name, date of birth, and place of birth
  • Lists parent(s) full names
  • Has date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth)
  • Has registrar's signature
  • Has embossed, impressed, or multicolored seal of registrar
  • Photocopies and notarized copies are unacceptable
• Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
• Naturalization Certificate
• Certificate of Citizenship
  

First Time Applicants

All of which are met by a certified copy. A fact only emphasized by the fact that when you click on Birth Certificate it directs you to the CDC website which provides the following information for birth certificates for the State of Hawaii:

Birth


Event: Birth

Cost of copy: $10.00

Address:
State Department of Health
Office of Health Status Monitoring
Vital Records Section
P.O. Box 3378
Honolulu, HI 96801-9984

Remarks: State office has some records as early as 1853. Additional copies ordered at the same time are $4.00 each.

Cashier's check, certified check, or money order should be made payable to State Department of Health. Personal checks are not accepted. To verify current fees, the telephone number is (808) 586-4533. This is a recorded message. Information on how to obtain certified copies is also available via the Hawaii State Department of Health, Vital Records website.

Where to Write for Vital Records - Hawaii

Where you get a (gasp) certified copy.

When they say 'original' birth certificate, they mean it can't be a photocopy or notarized copy of an official document. It has to be an official document itself. In the case of a birth certificate, a certified copy issued by the State that has the original vital records.

This according the US government. Which explicitly contradicts you.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

 

[Syriusly]

LOL- like you have said repeatedly- you believe Obama is a liar.

You will and you would assume that any document he produced- and anything he said- would be false.

You also refuse to believe the statements of the Republican Director of Health, her successor- or the civil servant Registrar of Records- because you are a Birther.

And you will never believe anything other than the Birther meme.

Yes, that is correct, he has a horrible record, and his behavior during the country of birth saga is consistent with his record of lying and deception. The truth, whatever it may be, will come out when the nation finds out about Obama's original birth certificate.

....which is in a vault in the Department of Health in Hawaii.

Oh wait- the nation already knows about that- and has for 4 years.

Again, why do you confuse yourself? The "one" in the so called vault, if real, should be matching identically to the one that Obama or his parents were first issued as the original. Where is Obama's original? Not the copy that he provided via the state in 2007.

The original birth certificate is in the vault in Hawaii- as the State of Hawaii says.

That is the original.

Everything else is just a certified copy.

And every single certified copy- and original- is legal proof of anyone's place of birth.

Not that you will believe anything but your preconceived notions.

Such is the lot of a Birther.

Wrong. The state issues an original shortly after a child's birth, usually upon request. The birth certificate and information provided by the state on behalf of Obama occurred in 2007. So where is his prior, perhaps original birth certificate that was used to obtain his first U.S. passport?

Passport Requirements for United States Passports

Passport requirements - proof of US citizenship
You can prove your US citizenship with one of the following:

• Original Birth Certificate (if born in the United States);
• or Old (undamaged) passport;
• or Original Certificate of Citizenship or FS-240, DS-1350 ( if born outside the US );
• or Original Certificate of Naturalization issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Office.

You shouldn't rely upon an unreliable third party business for your information.

Here is what the State Department says is required- note- no requirement of an original birth certificate- there is a requirement for an original(not photocopy) of a certified U.S. Birth Certificate.

The birth certificate issued by Hawaii in 2007 to Obama meets those requirements, as does the certified photocopy Hawaii gave Obama in 2011
.
How to Apply for a Passport

Evidence of U.S. Citizenship
You must submit one of the following original documents as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship (photocopies are not acceptable):

• Certified U.S. Birth Certificate (must meet all of the following requirements):
  • Issued by City, County, or State of birth
  • Lists bearer's full name, date of birth, and place of birth
  • Lists parent(s) full names
  • Has date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth)
  • Has registrar's signature
  • Has embossed, impressed, or multicolored seal of registrar
• Previous U.S. Passport (may be expired, must be undamaged)
• Consular Report of Birth Abroad
• Certificate of Naturalization/Citizenship

 

[Roudy]

Like I said, certified copy, although the same as far as proof of US citizenship and legality of it, is not exactly the same as the one you are first issued as a child, which is your original. Especially when it comes to this issue.

'Like I said' being the operative phrase. You 'saying' something is meaningless, as you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Prove that Obama holds an original birth certificate. You can't. You're done.

While I have the Director of the State of Hawaii that confirm that Hawaii holds Obama's original vital documents. Obliterating your claims yet again.

Try again birther.

A certified copy although the same legally, can look differently and contain different information than the original. Have you seen an original from like 40 or 50 years ago, and compare it to what they issue today? Not the same.

You clearly didn't quite understand the verb I was using. I said 'Prove that Obama holds an original birth certificate'.

Which you apparently took as 'babble about Obama's original birth certificate'. You've made the claim that Obama holds his original birth certificate. I dispute the claim. Hawaii has affirmed that THEY hold Obama's original birth certificate.

Both disproving your claim and demonstrating that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Well he or his guardians did at some point in time hold an original birth certificate, we know that because he was issued a US passport, and the only way he gets that would because he held a US born birth certificate.

You claim that Obama has his 'original birth certificate'. But you can't factually establish that. Its just you....citing you.

That's not evidence. That's just you making shit up. The State of Hawaii affirming that Hawaii has Obama's original vital documents, that is evidence. And it contradicts your narrative.

So your argument has nothing supporting it. And the State of Hawaii contradicting it. Why would I believe you, and ignore Hawaii?

I am claiming that Obama has said nothing about his original, instead when the issue came up he played delay tactics and he asked the state to issue a certified, without mentioning anything as to the status of his own.

original and certified are two different things. There are many instances that the U.S. Govt will challenge the information on certified copies when issuing passports. The info for example the spelling of names or gender can be mistaken. And no, when a certified copy is issued, the state does not go into a "vault" and then issue one based on that. All the information is already in the computer data base, they simply issue one based what the computer says.

| USCIS

documents in List C show employment authorization only. Employees who choose to present a List C document must also provide a document from List B for Section 2.

• Original or certified copy of a birth certificate issued by a state, county, municipal authority or outlying possession of the United States bearing an official seal

 

[Skylar]

'Like I said' being the operative phrase. You 'saying' something is meaningless, as you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Prove that Obama holds an original birth certificate. You can't. You're done.

While I have the Director of the State of Hawaii that confirm that Hawaii holds Obama's original vital documents. Obliterating your claims yet again.

Try again birther.

A certified copy although the same legally, can look differently and contain different information than the original. Have you seen an original from like 40 or 50 years ago, and compare it to what they issue today? Not the same.

You clearly didn't quite understand the verb I was using. I said 'Prove that Obama holds an original birth certificate'.

Which you apparently took as 'babble about Obama's original birth certificate'. You've made the claim that Obama holds his original birth certificate. I dispute the claim. Hawaii has affirmed that THEY hold Obama's original birth certificate.

Both disproving your claim and demonstrating that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Well he or his guardians did at some point in time hold an original birth certificate, we know that because he was issued a US passport, and the only way he gets that would because he held a US born birth certificate.

Certainly circumstantial evidence points to at some point that Barack Obama or his family had a legal copy of his birth certificate.

But that is all that is required for a birth certificate- a certified legal copy.

You choose to speculate that he had some 'original' other than the one the State of Hawaii has.

That is your burden.

Well, where is his original or like you said "legal copy" which was produced in order for Obama to obtain a U.S. Passport, when he was young? And what has Obama said about its status?

I have no idea. And it doesn't matter. As he can get another one at any time by going to the State of Hawaii and paying 10 dollars.

As its the Department of the State of Hawaii that holds the original vital records according to your OWN SOURCE. You've ignored the State of Hawaii...and made up your own narrative based on whatever bullshit you tell yourself.

But your made up pseudo-legal gibberish has nothing to do with the law, any reasonable doubt, nor creates any obligation for anyone to do anything.

There's a reason why your kind of birther gibberish has a perfect record of failure in court; its based on a hapless series of ignorant mistakes, misunderstandings and out right fabrications.

 

[Syriusly]

Oh, and here's the US government's requirements for establishing US citizenship for a passport:

Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (You must submit one of the following. Photocopies and notarized copies are not acceptable):

• Previously issued, undamaged, and fully valid U.S. Passport (5 year for minors or 10 years for adults)
• Certified U.S. birth certificate (must meet all of the following requirements):
  • Issued by the City, County, or State of birth
  • Lists bearer's full name, date of birth, and place of birth
  • Lists parent(s) full names
  • Has date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth)
  • Has registrar's signature
  • Has embossed, impressed, or multicolored seal of registrar
  • Photocopies and notarized copies are unacceptable
• Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
• Naturalization Certificate
• Certificate of Citizenship

First Time Applicants

All of which are met by a certified copy. A fact only emphasized by the fact that when you click on Birth Certificate it directs you to the CDC website which provides the following information for birth certificates for the State of Hawaii:

Birth


Event: Birth

Cost of copy: $10.00

Address:
State Department of Health
Office of Health Status Monitoring
Vital Records Section
P.O. Box 3378
Honolulu, HI 96801-9984

Remarks: State office has some records as early as 1853. Additional copies ordered at the same time are $4.00 each.

Cashier's check, certified check, or money order should be made payable to State Department of Health. Personal checks are not accepted. To verify current fees, the telephone number is (808) 586-4533. This is a recorded message. Information on how to obtain certified copies is also available via the Hawaii State Department of Health, Vital Records website.

Where to Write for Vital Records - Hawaii

Where you get a (gasp) certified copy.

When they say 'original' birth certificate, they mean it can't be a photocopy or notarized copy of an official document. It has to be an official document itself. In the case of a birth certificate, a certified copy issued by the State that has the original vital records.

This according the US government. Which explicitly contradicts you.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

He is such a Birther.

He whines about how he believes Obama is a total liar- and how he can't believe anything he says.

And then demands that Obama explain why Obama has not released a document that only Roudy says he must have.

Birthers never see their own contradictions- Roudy both says that we can't trust anything Obama says- and then says he won't be satisfied until Obama explains where a document is that only Roudy wants.

Since Roudy has already made it clear that he will never believe anything Obama says- Roudy is very clearly saying that he will never be satisfied.

Such a Birther.

 

[Skylar]

'Like I said' being the operative phrase. You 'saying' something is meaningless, as you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Prove that Obama holds an original birth certificate. You can't. You're done.

While I have the Director of the State of Hawaii that confirm that Hawaii holds Obama's original vital documents. Obliterating your claims yet again.

Try again birther.

A certified copy although the same legally, can look differently and contain different information than the original. Have you seen an original from like 40 or 50 years ago, and compare it to what they issue today? Not the same.

You clearly didn't quite understand the verb I was using. I said 'Prove that Obama holds an original birth certificate'.

Which you apparently took as 'babble about Obama's original birth certificate'. You've made the claim that Obama holds his original birth certificate. I dispute the claim. Hawaii has affirmed that THEY hold Obama's original birth certificate.

Both disproving your claim and demonstrating that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Well he or his guardians did at some point in time hold an original birth certificate, we know that because he was issued a US passport, and the only way he gets that would because he held a US born birth certificate.

You claim that Obama has his 'original birth certificate'. But you can't factually establish that. Its just you....citing you.

That's not evidence. That's just you making shit up. The State of Hawaii affirming that Hawaii has Obama's original vital documents, that is evidence. And it contradicts your narrative.

So your argument has nothing supporting it. And the State of Hawaii contradicting it. Why would I believe you, and ignore Hawaii?

I am claiming that Obama has said nothing about his original, instead when the issue came up he played delay tactics and he asked the state to issue a certified, without mentioning anything as to the status of his own.

For the 30th time (quite literally), Obama doesn't have the original. He has a certified copy. The State of Hawaii holds his original vital documents. Says who? Says Hawaii.

You are literally ignoring Hawaii on who holds Obama's original vital documents and making up your own batshit story based on nothing. Even though your own sources affirm that its the State that holds his original vital documents.

Your imagination vs. the Department of Health of the State of Hawaii on who holds Obama's original vital documents has the same winner every time:

Not you.

The State department itself contradicts you, the CDC contradicts you, the State of Hawaii contradicts you. And nothing backs your story that Obama has his 'original birth certificate'.

 

[Roudy]

Yes, that is correct, he has a horrible record, and his behavior during the country of birth saga is consistent with his record of lying and deception. The truth, whatever it may be, will come out when the nation finds out about Obama's original birth certificate.

....which is in a vault in the Department of Health in Hawaii.

Oh wait- the nation already knows about that- and has for 4 years.

Again, why do you confuse yourself? The "one" in the so called vault, if real, should be matching identically to the one that Obama or his parents were first issued as the original. Where is Obama's original? Not the copy that he provided via the state in 2007.

The original birth certificate is in the vault in Hawaii- as the State of Hawaii says.

That is the original.

Everything else is just a certified copy.

And every single certified copy- and original- is legal proof of anyone's place of birth.

Not that you will believe anything but your preconceived notions.

Such is the lot of a Birther.

Wrong. The state issues an original shortly after a child's birth, usually upon request. The birth certificate and information provided by the state on behalf of Obama occurred in 2007. So where is his prior, perhaps original birth certificate that was used to obtain his first U.S. passport?

Passport Requirements for United States Passports

Passport requirements - proof of US citizenship
You can prove your US citizenship with one of the following:

• Original Birth Certificate (if born in the United States);
• or Old (undamaged) passport;
• or Original Certificate of Citizenship or FS-240, DS-1350 ( if born outside the US );
• or Original Certificate of Naturalization issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Office.

You shouldn't rely upon an unreliable third party business for your information.

Here is what the State Department says is required- note- no requirement of an original birth certificate- there is a requirement for an original(not photocopy) of a certified U.S. Birth Certificate.

The birth certificate issued by Hawaii in 2007 to Obama meets those requirements, as does the certified photocopy Hawaii gave Obama in 2011
.
How to Apply for a Passport

Evidence of U.S. Citizenship
You must submit one of the following original documents as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship (photocopies are not acceptable):

• Certified U.S. Birth Certificate (must meet all of the following requirements):
  • Issued by City, County, or State of birth
  • Lists bearer's full name, date of birth, and place of birth
  • Lists parent(s) full names
  • Has date filed with registrar's office (must be within one year of birth)
  • Has registrar's signature
  • Has embossed, impressed, or multicolored seal of registrar
• Previous U.S. Passport (may be expired, must be undamaged)
• Consular Report of Birth Abroad
• Certificate of Naturalization/Citizenship

That doesn't negate the fact that U.S. Born citizens are issued an original. You are simply wrong and uninformed.

Now, if you never had a need for a birth certificate and want one issued today, sure, you will be issued a certified copy.

here is a govt site that clearly distinguishes between originals and certified copies:

| USCIS

documents in List C show employment authorization only. Employees who choose to present a List C document must also provide a document from List B for Section 2.

• 
  
  • Original or certified copy of a birth certificate issued by a state, county, municipal authority or outlying possession of the United States bearing an official seal

 

[Syriusly]

'Like I said' being the operative phrase. You 'saying' something is meaningless, as you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Prove that Obama holds an original birth certificate. You can't. You're done.

While I have the Director of the State of Hawaii that confirm that Hawaii holds Obama's original vital documents. Obliterating your claims yet again.

Try again birther.

A certified copy although the same legally, can look differently and contain different information than the original. Have you seen an original from like 40 or 50 years ago, and compare it to what they issue today? Not the same.

You clearly didn't quite understand the verb I was using. I said 'Prove that Obama holds an original birth certificate'.

Which you apparently took as 'babble about Obama's original birth certificate'. You've made the claim that Obama holds his original birth certificate. I dispute the claim. Hawaii has affirmed that THEY hold Obama's original birth certificate.

Both disproving your claim and demonstrating that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Well he or his guardians did at some point in time hold an original birth certificate, we know that because he was issued a US passport, and the only way he gets that would because he held a US born birth certificate.

You claim that Obama has his 'original birth certificate'. But you can't factually establish that. Its just you....citing you.

That's not evidence. That's just you making shit up. The State of Hawaii affirming that Hawaii has Obama's original vital documents, that is evidence. And it contradicts your narrative.

So your argument has nothing supporting it. And the State of Hawaii contradicting it. Why would I believe you, and ignore Hawaii?

I am claiming that Obama has said nothing about his original, instead when the issue came up he played delay tactics and he asked the state to issue a certified, without mentioning anything as to the status of his own.

original and certified are two different things. There are many instances that the U.S. Govt will challenge the information on certified copies when issuing passports. The info for example the spelling of names or gender can be mistaken. And no, when a certified copy is issued, the state does not go into a "vault" and then issue one based on that. All the information is already in the computer data base, they simply issue one based what the computer says.

| USCIS

Your link is documents required for employment- and have nothing to do with passports.

And as has been pointed out to you perhaps a dozen times- the certified copies that the State of Hawaii provided President Obama in 2011 were certified photocopies of the original birth certificate on file in their office.

Not computer generated- though computer generated birth certificates are entirely legal- the legal BC Hawaii isued Obama in 2007 was computer generated.

But you have already seen the certified photocopy of Barack Obama birth certificate.

And you don't believe it.

Or Hawaii.

Because you are a Birther.