Trump thinks he can change the Constitution via EO

[bodecea]

You voted for a Birther
Doesn’t get dumber than that

Nope. I voted for a man who knows what he is doing.

You voted for an old hag who thinks of no one but herself.

You couldn't have been any dumber.

No self- hating female stuff here.

No there isn't unless of course you subscribe to the asinine hypothesis that any female criticizing another female is indicative of self hatred.

Criticizing is one thing....using misogynist name-calling language is quite another.

Nope, same shit, the only difference is the subjective nouns and adjectives you folks like to randomly interject about others in an attempt to rationalize your own viewpoints to yourselves.

My guess is that making others out to be <fill in the blank>ists makes it easier for you to overlook your own shortcomings.

Why are you making this about me? Is that a concession?

 

[bendog]

The Supreme Court has never ruled on whether a baby born to an ILLEGAL has standing. In 1898 they ruled that legal immigrants children become American citizens at birth.

Certainly a ploy by Trump to force the Supreme Court to rule on the matter.

As it is, I am convinced that the 14th Amendment did not protect illegals on the question of birthright.

Mark

That's the question. But if Trump's ploy was just about forcing the SC to rule, he didn't have to wait until a week before an election while declaring we are being invaded by a caravan 1000 miles away from our border. LOL

What practical purpose does it serve to allow someone to sneak across the border illegally and have a baby, and that baby is an American citizen?

Why?

There's no law saying we can't deport those people. Or even make it very uneconomic to hire them. So, your question is not really the question.

If you are asking whether the drafters and those who ratified the 14th could have anticipated 8-10 million people illegally working in the US .. no they probably didn't think our congress and society would be so dysfunctional so as to somehow need that many workers who'd work for less than citizens get.

But the 13th made legally owning slaves impossible. The 14th made it impossible to create a caste system of non-citizen workers. The result was Ark's case. We could not legally import some number of non-citizen workers and deny their children citizenship. And as a result the South created Jim Crow, whereby negroes could be kept in a location by use of force and given the choice of working cheaply or dying. The two black migrations and civil rights laws ended that.

it is interesting how we won't enforce certain laws, but we won't change them either.

Presidents customarily decide not to expend resources enforcing some laws. But Trump has said he's going to change how presidents have interpreted the 14th amendment. I don't know anything that says he can't do that, but no one can honestly deny he's doing something new.

And I don't see how it can possibly fly unless the Sup Ct just wants to reinterpret history selectively. But, he could have had a law last year ending employment of illegal aliens. And they will leave if they cannot eat.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Trump plans to sign executive order ending birthright citizenship: Axios

More red meat for the masses. Even he is not stupid enough to think this will work.


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SCOTUS Baby! Hang on to your pussyhat.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Where is the interpretation wiggle room in that?

Illegals are not "subject to..." ask your lawyer friend. Besides, Trump has the pen and phone Obama left behind

Oh? Illegals are not subject to our laws while in our country?

They vote? File income taxes? Can be drafted? Yeah??

 

[pismoe]

Trump plans to sign executive order ending birthright citizenship: Axios

More red meat for the masses. Even he is not stupid enough to think this will work.


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----------------------------------------- good tactic though , provides some votes i would think GGator .

 

[hunarcy]

I doubt he can. Even if it did, any subsequent president can void that order with another one and possibly make it retroactive.

The best outcome would be for someone to sue to overturn the order and throw the matter before the Supreme Court. That would settle the matter once and for all.

I doubt if he was serious. It was a question asked by the interviewer and though he said he had been thinking about it, I think based on what I heard that he was messing with the Axios guy.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Illegal Immigration is bad for America, but it's great for the anti-American bigot Democrats and the racist
Aztlan Nationalist.

 

[pismoe]

also heard that it might go to HIS supreme court eventually GGator .

 

[Auld Phart]

You are OK with a dictator retaining the responsibilities of Congress, and with the stroke of a single pen.

were you?

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So, You are OK with The Second Amendment being taken with the stroke of a pen via a POTUS EO. Thanks for playing.

And not a single one of you brain dead jackoffs have cited ONE EXAMPLE of ANY POTUS performing an EO to repeal a single Constitutional Amendment.

But go ahead and cite it, right here. I'm ready to learn something.

I'm ready to learn something.

you're ready to learn a lot of things.

But not ready to acknowledge them.

Trump is no more a 'dictator' than Obama was, and is not likely to be.

The 14th has been contested since the day it was written.

the Citizenship Clause concerned former slaves, not illegal aliens.

 

[bodecea]

Trump plans to sign executive order ending birthright citizenship: Axios

More red meat for the masses. Even he is not stupid enough to think this will work.


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SCOTUS Baby! Hang on to your pussyhat.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Where is the interpretation wiggle room in that?

Illegals are not "subject to..." ask your lawyer friend. Besides, Trump has the pen and phone Obama left behind

Oh? Illegals are not subject to our laws while in our country?

They vote? File income taxes? Can be drafted? Yeah??

No.....that's not jurisdiction. Jurisdiction means they are subject to our laws. Are they? Or are they not?

 

[Auld Phart]

Isn't that what your side is doing by calling Trump a dictator over this?

I haven't called him a dictator, but I have to admit, if he can change the Constitution at a whim, or has the absolute authority to pardon himself - as he has claimed -then maybe 'dictator-wannabe' is the right term.

Equally to the point, Trump is the actor here - if he doesn't start this bullshit, there is no controversy. He wants the controversy, while you want to pretend it's 50/50.

Dictator was in the title of one of the three threads I merged.

and is he any more of a dictator than the person making this statement?

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Please note the second sentence: "Where I can act on my own without Congress, I'm gong to do so"

"Where I can" acknowledges limits, so there is nothing dictatorial about that statement.

Is there any way in hell a Trumpkin can address any topic without some faux fucking equivalence? I don't care which threads you merged, this one is about a supposed upcoming effort by Trump. Obama has nothing to do with it.

"Where I can" acknowledges limits, so there is nothing dictatorial about that statement.

you can't be serious

I don't care which threads you merged, this one is about a supposed upcoming effort by Trump.

all three of them were, that was the reason for the merge.

Obama has nothing to do with it.

Other than the fact he stated he was all for it, long before Trump threw his hat in the ring

That's just stupid.

only to you

 

[BluesLegend]

The American people will side with Trump on this, yet another Trump win.

 

[joaquinmiller]

I haven't called him a dictator, but I have to admit, if he can change the Constitution at a whim, or has the absolute authority to pardon himself - as he has claimed -then maybe 'dictator-wannabe' is the right term.

Equally to the point, Trump is the actor here - if he doesn't start this bullshit, there is no controversy. He wants the controversy, while you want to pretend it's 50/50.

Dictator was in the title of one of the three threads I merged.

and is he any more of a dictator than the person making this statement?

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Please note the second sentence: "Where I can act on my own without Congress, I'm gong to do so"

"Where I can" acknowledges limits, so there is nothing dictatorial about that statement.

Is there any way in hell a Trumpkin can address any topic without some faux fucking equivalence? I don't care which threads you merged, this one is about a supposed upcoming effort by Trump. Obama has nothing to do with it.

"Where I can" acknowledges limits, so there is nothing dictatorial about that statement.

you can't be serious

I don't care which threads you merged, this one is about a supposed upcoming effort by Trump.

all three of them were, that was the reason for the merge.

Obama has nothing to do with it.

Other than the fact he stated he was all for it, long before Trump threw his hat in the ring

That's just stupid.

only to you

I wasn't trying to speak for anyone else.

(Are you speaking for everyone else?)

 

[caddo kid]

You are OK with a dictator retaining the responsibilities of Congress, and with the stroke of a single pen.

were you?

View attachment 225721

So, You are OK with The Second Amendment being taken with the stroke of a pen via a POTUS EO. Thanks for playing.

And not a single one of you brain dead jackoffs have cited ONE EXAMPLE of ANY POTUS performing an EO to repeal a single Constitutional Amendment.

But go ahead and cite it, right here. I'm ready to learn something.

I'm ready to learn something.

you're ready to learn a lot of things.

But not ready to acknowledge them.

Trump is no more a 'dictator' than Obama was, and is not likely to be.

The 14th has been contested since the day it was written.

the Citizenship Clause concerned former slaves, not illegal aliens.

I don't need a history lesson about the 14th, bro'

SO, you can NOT cite to any member here at USMB a single example in which a POTUS has repealed a Constitutional Amendment.

BUT you want that slippery slope to start.

You hate The Constitution; period.

 

[dudmuck]

 

[Thinker101]

did obama violate the constitution - Bing video

 

[NightFox]

Nope. I voted for a man who knows what he is doing.

You voted for an old hag who thinks of no one but herself.

You couldn't have been any dumber.

No self- hating female stuff here.

No there isn't unless of course you subscribe to the asinine hypothesis that any female criticizing another female is indicative of self hatred.

Criticizing is one thing....using misogynist name-calling language is quite another.

Nope, same shit, the only difference is the subjective nouns and adjectives you folks like to randomly interject about others in an attempt to rationalize your own viewpoints to yourselves.

My guess is that making others out to be <fill in the blank>ists makes it easier for you to overlook your own shortcomings.

Why are you making this about me? Is that a concession?

Probably something to do with the fact that it is about you.

After all you were the one slinging idiotic "self hatred" accusations around at Claudette, did you forget that was you?

I'm sorry if you're feeling picked on but I'm just pointing out your flawed reasoning, if you don't want it to continue, put down your shovel and stop digging.

 

[Claudette]

Trump plans to sign executive order ending birthright citizenship: Axios

More red meat for the masses. Even he is not stupid enough to think this will work.


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They were stupid enough to vote for him
They believe anything he rants about

No. We were smart enough to vote for him.

You were dumb enough to vote for Hitlery.

I for one sure hope he can change the 14th and get rid of the anchor babies.

"I for one sure hope he can change the 14th"..... Someone who doesn't know that the President has no power to change the Constitution. Did you vote for tiny trump?

You bet I did. Did you vote for Hitlery??

 

[Natural Citizen]

The thing that a lot of you guys are missing is the interpretation.

No place in the 14th is birthright citizenship automatically given to children of illegal immigrants.

It's not a constitutional amendment. There is no need for a constitutional amendment because birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants isn't in the Constitution.

''Under the jurisdiction of'' means that no other country can claim allegiance of the child. But since the parents are illegal immigrants and technically hold allegiance to another country, the other country can claim the child's allegiance to its country.

Under the jurisdiction of, as it is written in the 14th, demands that the United States must be able to claim the child's complete allegiance. Which it can't do so long as another country can. Therefore, a constitutional amendment is moot.

It's pretty simple. A lot of you are arguing the wrong stuff.

 

[Meathead]

also heard that it might go to HIS supreme court eventually GGator .

Yup, a receptive SCOTUS can work miracles.

 

[Claudette]

Trump plans to sign executive order ending birthright citizenship: Axios

More red meat for the masses. Even he is not stupid enough to think this will work.


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They were stupid enough to vote for him
They believe anything he rants about

No. We were smart enough to vote for him.

You were dumb enough to vote for Hitlery.

I for one sure hope he can change the 14th and get rid of the anchor babies.

You voted for a Birther
Doesn’t get dumber than that

Nope. I voted for a man who knows what he is doing.

You voted for an old hag who thinks of no one but herself.

You couldn't have been any dumber.

No self- hating female stuff here.

You bet.