Trump under investigation for Obstruction of Justice.

[eddiew]

Great, another Judge Judy.

There were crimes being investigated, namely, collusion between Trump associates and Russian hacking.

And there was none. For Obstruction to occur there has to be an underlying crime and there wasn't one.

That is a simple fact that clearly you will never get through your ever so thick skulls. Collusion, if it had occurred, and we know it didn't, is not a crime.

Duh!

Potential crimes were being investigated. That's all that's needed. No one need be prosecuted with any charges for Trump to be found guilty of obstruction. Hell, no one even needs to be charged with an underlying crime.

Really? NAME THEM!

For one, the investigation into Flynn in connection with false statements about his conversations with the Russian ambassador in December.

Trump Team Knew Flynn Was Under Investigation Before He Came to White House

Which is about flynn. Not trump. Point out a single supposed crime that Trump is supposed to have done.

Laundering money He and his son in law being investigated Think an innocent person would be bleating so loudly?

 

[jc456]

Will Mike Pense pardon Trump once he goes to prison?

It's VERY possible Crooked Donnie Small Hands will pardon Flynn

You know Seawytch, looking over your 7 charts, this person met this person, this person met that person, worked here, had a fundraiser there, was married to this person, was run by that person, NONE OF THAT CRAP means anything! It doesn't prove anything. Affluent people GET AROUND. They travel the world! At best it proves that there are 129,000,000 Russians living in this world and they can show up anywhere, JUST LIKE Jews, Germans, Muslims, and Italians! Get your pecker out of your hand and DEAL WITH IT.

Nope, nothing has been proven to the public...yet. It's why we're having an investigation. Be patient.

investigating nothing. they're all playing cards and laughing at you all.

If thinking that helps you sleep at night...good luck with your fantasy world.

well do you have any other material that says they aren't playing cards and laughing at you? BTW, if you don't, then I might be right, eh?

 

[rightwinger]

Russia hacked the DNC servers in an attempt to influence our election. Most Americans should be outraged over that and sanctions should be invoked as punishment

As part of the investigation of that crime, we need to investigate why the party that was benefiting from that crime (Trump) was meeting with the Russians. If Trump has a legitimate explanation of what those meetings were about. Why hasn't he provided it?

First off, I said I wanted it investigated, I don't want another Benghazi, Whitewater or Hillary type investigation. Find out what we need to and prosecute or find nothing and close it. I don't want another Whitewater where we are digging for anything and everything, and the American people don't want it.

So far nothing has been found, so far we are going to Obstruction, which I predicted weeks ago.

It's a witch hunt by the left and I like them as much as I like the witch hunt by the right.

How is it a witch hunt when the key players (Flynn, Manafort, Stone and Kushner) have not testified?
I will be happy for this whole thing to go away (except sanctions on Russia) once I am assured by Mueller that their interactions with Russia were just routine business unrelated to the Russian hacks

The issue is if that is what it turns out to be, the left will find the next issue to rush an investigation, you are not any better than the right nutters who find a scandal under every rock.

It is the Republicans who are driving this investigation

Democrats are just spectators

Lol!

Which Democrat selected the Special Counsel?

 

[jc456]

Will Mike Pense pardon Trump once he goes to prison?

It's VERY possible Crooked Donnie Small Hands will pardon Flynn

You know Seawytch, looking over your 7 charts, this person met this person, this person met that person, worked here, had a fundraiser there, was married to this person, was run by that person, NONE OF THAT CRAP means anything! It doesn't prove anything. Affluent people GET AROUND. They travel the world! At best it proves that there are 129,000,000 Russians living in this world and they can show up anywhere, JUST LIKE Jews, Germans, Muslims, and Italians! Get your pecker out of your hand and DEAL WITH IT.

Nope, nothing has been proven to the public...yet. It's why we're having an investigation. Be patient.

investigating nothing. they're all playing cards and laughing at you all.

If thinking that helps you sleep at night...good luck with your fantasy world.

I sleep quite well at night, thanks. you?

 

[eddiew]

It's VERY possible Crooked Donnie Small Hands will pardon Flynn

You know Seawytch, looking over your 7 charts, this person met this person, this person met that person, worked here, had a fundraiser there, was married to this person, was run by that person, NONE OF THAT CRAP means anything! It doesn't prove anything. Affluent people GET AROUND. They travel the world! At best it proves that there are 129,000,000 Russians living in this world and they can show up anywhere, JUST LIKE Jews, Germans, Muslims, and Italians! Get your pecker out of your hand and DEAL WITH IT.

Nope, nothing has been proven to the public...yet. It's why we're having an investigation. Be patient.

investigating nothing. they're all playing cards and laughing at you all.

If thinking that helps you sleep at night...good luck with your fantasy world.

I sleep quite well at night, thanks. you?

You do the same here too or so it seems You post in your sleep?

 

[jc456]

You know Seawytch, looking over your 7 charts, this person met this person, this person met that person, worked here, had a fundraiser there, was married to this person, was run by that person, NONE OF THAT CRAP means anything! It doesn't prove anything. Affluent people GET AROUND. They travel the world! At best it proves that there are 129,000,000 Russians living in this world and they can show up anywhere, JUST LIKE Jews, Germans, Muslims, and Italians! Get your pecker out of your hand and DEAL WITH IT.

Nope, nothing has been proven to the public...yet. It's why we're having an investigation. Be patient.

investigating nothing. they're all playing cards and laughing at you all.

If thinking that helps you sleep at night...good luck with your fantasy world.

I sleep quite well at night, thanks. you?

You do the same here too or so it seems You post in your sleep?

it's only your nightmare.

 

[eddiew]

Couldn't be trump they're talking about?

thou doth protest too much
Overly insistent about something, to the point where the opposite is most likely true.

 

[Seawytch]

It's VERY possible Crooked Donnie Small Hands will pardon Flynn

You know Seawytch, looking over your 7 charts, this person met this person, this person met that person, worked here, had a fundraiser there, was married to this person, was run by that person, NONE OF THAT CRAP means anything! It doesn't prove anything. Affluent people GET AROUND. They travel the world! At best it proves that there are 129,000,000 Russians living in this world and they can show up anywhere, JUST LIKE Jews, Germans, Muslims, and Italians! Get your pecker out of your hand and DEAL WITH IT.

Nope, nothing has been proven to the public...yet. It's why we're having an investigation. Be patient.

investigating nothing. they're all playing cards and laughing at you all.

If thinking that helps you sleep at night...good luck with your fantasy world.

I sleep quite well at night, thanks. you?

Of course you do. You're lying to yourself. That obviously helps you sleep better.

 

[jc456]

You know Seawytch, looking over your 7 charts, this person met this person, this person met that person, worked here, had a fundraiser there, was married to this person, was run by that person, NONE OF THAT CRAP means anything! It doesn't prove anything. Affluent people GET AROUND. They travel the world! At best it proves that there are 129,000,000 Russians living in this world and they can show up anywhere, JUST LIKE Jews, Germans, Muslims, and Italians! Get your pecker out of your hand and DEAL WITH IT.

Nope, nothing has been proven to the public...yet. It's why we're having an investigation. Be patient.

investigating nothing. they're all playing cards and laughing at you all.

If thinking that helps you sleep at night...good luck with your fantasy world.

I sleep quite well at night, thanks. you?

Of course you do. You're lying to yourself. That obviously helps you sleep better.

that seems to be your thing and I'll let you hold on to it.

 

[radical right]

I sleep quite well at night, thanks. you?

This is turning into a bad novel. Everybody is lawyering up. Even Trumps lawyer, is lawyering up. WTF?

 

[toobfreak]

investigating nothing. they're all playing cards and laughing at you all.

If thinking that helps you sleep at night...good luck with your fantasy world.

I really appreciate your kind words for your fellow members! Now I just wonder who helps you with YOUR fantasy world?!

 

[Lakhota]

Trump must be thoroughly investigated and prosecuted if warranted.

 

[Faun]

Great, another Judge Judy.

There were crimes being investigated, namely, collusion between Trump associates and Russian hacking.

And there was none. For Obstruction to occur there has to be an underlying crime and there wasn't one.

That is a simple fact that clearly you will never get through your ever so thick skulls. Collusion, if it had occurred, and we know it didn't, is not a crime.

Duh!

Potential crimes were being investigated. That's all that's needed. No one need be prosecuted with any charges for Trump to be found guilty of obstruction. Hell, no one even needs to be charged with an underlying crime.

Really? NAME THEM!

For one, the investigation into Flynn in connection with false statements about his conversations with the Russian ambassador in December.

Trump Team Knew Flynn Was Under Investigation Before He Came to White House

Which is about flynn. Not trump. Point out a single supposed crime that Trump is supposed to have done.

So what if it was about Flynn? It was an active investigation and Trump tried to stop it. Was it obstruction? That's for Mueller to decide. If it were just that one instance, it would likely amount to nothing; but by now, there is a pattern established.

First, Trump asks Comey to drop the investigation. Comey doesn't and he gets fired. The administration offers no less than three different explanations. Trump's explanation includes the investigation as one of his reasons. Then Trump tried to shut Comey up by warning him there could be tapes of their conversations.

Any one of those alone would be nothing. But taken all together, it paints a picture of the president trying to shut down an investigation into people associated with him and his campaign.

That's obstruction.

Fortunately for Trump, that's also nothing but my opinion. Mueller's opinion is no doubt different. But if Mueller believed Trump tried to interfere with the investigation, Trump is fucked. And not in a good way.

 

[eddiew]

And there was none. For Obstruction to occur there has to be an underlying crime and there wasn't one.

That is a simple fact that clearly you will never get through your ever so thick skulls. Collusion, if it had occurred, and we know it didn't, is not a crime.

Duh!

Potential crimes were being investigated. That's all that's needed. No one need be prosecuted with any charges for Trump to be found guilty of obstruction. Hell, no one even needs to be charged with an underlying crime.

Really? NAME THEM!

For one, the investigation into Flynn in connection with false statements about his conversations with the Russian ambassador in December.

Trump Team Knew Flynn Was Under Investigation Before He Came to White House

Which is about flynn. Not trump. Point out a single supposed crime that Trump is supposed to have done.

So what if it was about Flynn? It was an active investigation and Trump tried to stop it. Was it obstruction? That's for Mueller to decide. If it were just that one instance, it would likely amount to nothing; but by now, there is a pattern established.

First, Trump asks Comey to drop the investigation. Comey doesn't and he gets fired. The administration offers no less than three different explanations. Trump's explanation includes the investigation as one of his reasons. Then Trump tried to shut Comey up by warning him there could be tapes of their conversations.

Any one of those alone would be nothing. But taken all together, it paints a picture of the president trying to shut down an investigation into people associated with him and his campaign.

That's obstruction.

Fortunately for Trump, that's also nothing but my opinion. Mueller's opinion is no doubt different. But if Mueller believed Trump tried to interfere with the investigation, Trump is fucked. And not in a good way.

It would be a fucking that America will welcome , all except deplorables

 

[Seawytch]

investigating nothing. they're all playing cards and laughing at you all.

If thinking that helps you sleep at night...good luck with your fantasy world.

I really appreciate your kind words for your fellow members! Now I just wonder who helps you with YOUR fantasy world?!

I have reality. I don't need fantasy.

 

[Flopper]

No, whether an investigation results in charges is immaterial. Obstruction of the investigation is a crime.

Any act that is intended to interfere with the administration of justice may constitute obstruction of justice. There are many different kinds of obstruction of justice that are covered by different federal and state statutes. For example, separate federal statutes cover obstruction of court orders, obstruction of criminal investigations, obstruction of state and local law enforcement of gambling statutes, and tampering with or retaliating against witnesses, victims and informants.
Does an FBI Investigation Qualify Under the Obstruction of Justice Statutes? A Closer Look

You still don't get it? Are you just or are you like most libs and reading comprehension is a big problem for you?

You cannot be charged with obstruction unless you actually obstruct an investigation. Since Trump has apparently done nothing to obstruct, how can that be?

Since the federal statutes would be the only one in question, why are you citing anything other than that?

Firing the guy responsible for the investigation is certainly suspicious. Considering firing his replacement is certainly cause to investigate. Couple that with sworn testimony from the FBI Director and memos documenting Trump attempts to influence the investigation, you have evidence. Is there sufficient evidence to charge Trump with a crime? We have to wait for the conclusion of the investigation. People like the NSA and CIA Director will be interviewed to see if Trump or his staff reached out to them.

Trump's future is dependent on what voters believe and what congress believes, not the courts.

Nio, firing Comey was not suspicious. He serves at the pleasure of the President and was a loose cannon. As to firing his replacement, a new FBI director has not been named, so how could he fire him or her?

Whose memos? Comey's? You ever heard the concept "he said, he said". There is no there there! I could write a memo saying Comey is a cum-guzzling man whore, but that doesn't make it true.

I suggest you read up on the concept of "Executive Privilege" before betting the farm on what anyone has to say about Trump.

How is that nothing burger tasting Mr. Mueller?

• Trump meets privately with Comey several times and Comey documents Trump's attempt to interfere with the investigation.
• Trump fires Comey
• Trump brags to the Russians that firing nutjob Comey will ease the pressure from the investigation.
• Mueller is appointed and will investigate Trump for obstruction.
• Trump considers firing Mueller.

And you don't think that's suspicious

Comey wrote those notes when? As far as anyone knows, it could have been long after he was fired.

Trump bragging to who? Do you honestly think he did this in front of a room full of people, none of which apparently agrees with the story line, just like he was accused of leaking classified information and that turned out to be a complete fabrication also.

Where did you get that Trump is considering firing Meuller? Oh, it is one of the anonymous sources again!

Mmm... Those nothing burgers must taste really good because you keep throwing more on the grill!

Yes, it could be Comey did not take notes after meeting with Trump and he is guilty of perjury.
Yes, it could be Trump never told the Russians that his firing of Comey will ease the pressure from the investigation.
Yes, it could be Trump never considered firing Mueller.
Yes, it could be there is no investigation of Russian interference in the election or an investigation of Trump. It could be just all false news.

"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck, unless you're a Trump supporter. Then it's probably a Dodo Bird.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You still don't get it? Are you just or are you like most libs and reading comprehension is a big problem for you?

You cannot be charged with obstruction unless you actually obstruct an investigation. Since Trump has apparently done nothing to obstruct, how can that be?

Since the federal statutes would be the only one in question, why are you citing anything other than that?

Firing the guy responsible for the investigation is certainly suspicious. Considering firing his replacement is certainly cause to investigate. Couple that with sworn testimony from the FBI Director and memos documenting Trump attempts to influence the investigation, you have evidence. Is there sufficient evidence to charge Trump with a crime? We have to wait for the conclusion of the investigation. People like the NSA and CIA Director will be interviewed to see if Trump or his staff reached out to them.

Trump's future is dependent on what voters believe and what congress believes, not the courts.

Nio, firing Comey was not suspicious. He serves at the pleasure of the President and was a loose cannon. As to firing his replacement, a new FBI director has not been named, so how could he fire him or her?

Whose memos? Comey's? You ever heard the concept "he said, he said". There is no there there! I could write a memo saying Comey is a cum-guzzling man whore, but that doesn't make it true.

I suggest you read up on the concept of "Executive Privilege" before betting the farm on what anyone has to say about Trump.

How is that nothing burger tasting Mr. Mueller?

• Trump meets privately with Comey several times and Comey documents Trump's attempt to interfere with the investigation.
• Trump fires Comey
• Trump brags to the Russians that firing nutjob Comey will ease the pressure from the investigation.
• Mueller is appointed and will investigate Trump for obstruction.
• Trump considers firing Mueller.

And you don't think that's suspicious

Comey wrote those notes when? As far as anyone knows, it could have been long after he was fired.

Trump bragging to who? Do you honestly think he did this in front of a room full of people, none of which apparently agrees with the story line, just like he was accused of leaking classified information and that turned out to be a complete fabrication also.

Where did you get that Trump is considering firing Meuller? Oh, it is one of the anonymous sources again!

Mmm... Those nothing burgers must taste really good because you keep throwing more on the grill!

Yes, it could be Comey did not take notes after meeting with Trump and he is guilty of perjury.
Yes, it could be Trump never told the Russians that his firing of Comey will ease the pressure from the investigation.
Yes, it could be Trump never considered firing Mueller.
Yes, it could be there is no investigation of Russian interference in the election or an investigation of Trump. It could be just all false news.

"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck, unless you're a Trump supporter. Then it's probably a Dodo Bird.

Don't you find that all of this fake news comes from one or two newspapers and they can never quote who told them?

 

[basquebromance]

Let’s say Donald Trump has nothing to hide. Would that make his behavior any less concerning?

If Trump is innocent, then he is insane!

 

[radical right]

Don't you find that all of this fake news comes from one or two newspapers and they can never quote who told them?

It was Mark Felt.

 

[Flopper]

And you can take this to the bank too, Kiddies! The moderates who make up the deciding vote for the next election are going to figure out what the Democrats and the main stream media are doing as this farce progresses and they're NOT going to look favorably at the people who are behind it!

The moderates are abandoning Trump They may not trust the media to cover Trump but they trust the media more than they trust Trump.

The truth is that most of the country distrusts the media, Busybee...FAR MORE than they distrust Congress or the President! What CNN, MSNBC, the Washington Post and the New York Times have been doing since even before Trump was elected has been so blatantly biased the electorate simply doesn't believe what they're being told by the so called "journalists" that work there!

American distrust is a lot deeper than that and has been with for many years.
According to Gallup, Americans don't trust the:
Healthcare System
President
US Supreme Court
Public Schools
Banks
Organized Labor
Criminal Justice System
Television News
Newspapers
Big Business
Congress

Americans clearly lack confidence in the institutions that affect our daily lives: the schools responsible for educating the nation's children; the houses of worship that are expected to provide spiritual guidance; the banks that are supposed to protect Americans' earnings; the U.S. Congress elected to represent the nation's interests; and the news media that claims it exists to keep them informed.
Americans' Confidence in Institutions Stays Low

Why?