Trump Wanted to Order Justice Dept. to Prosecute Comey and Clinton

[Lakhota]

It is not a democracy it has never been one and hopefully never will be. It is a Representative Republic. Just as it was when the Constitution formed it. Dimshits want it to be socialist dictatorship.

You really are an idiot. Democracy has come a long way since the Constitution was ratified.

 

[Karl Rand]

It is not a democracy it has never been one and hopefully never will be. It is a Representative Republic. Just as it was when the Constitution formed it. Dimshits want it to be socialist dictatorship.

You really are an idiot. Democracy has come a long way since the Constitution was ratified.

Given what the White House can get away with maybe it hasn’t come far enough?

 

[Karl Rand]

Trump thinks of the Justice Department as his own private police force

Then he’d better be very careful how he treats them.

 

[12icer]

Just the facts jack!!! Hide if you want cry for sure but you waste our time every time you pump out mainstream dimshit talking point lies.

 

[Lakhota]

It is not a democracy it has never been one and hopefully never will be. It is a Representative Republic. Just as it was when the Constitution formed it. Dimshits want it to be socialist dictatorship.

You really are an idiot. Democracy has come a long way since the Constitution was ratified.

Given what the White House can get away with maybe it hasn’t come far enough?

The NaziCon Congress is ignoring the checks and balances. I doubt the founders ever envisioned that both houses of Congress would become treasonous - including the presidency - all at the same time.

 

[Karl Rand]

Just the facts jack!!! Hide if you want cry for sure but you waste our time every time you pump out mainstream dimshit talking point lies.

What exactly are you trying to say and who are you trying to say it to?

 

[Slade3200]

I know I’m coming in late to this discussion but I’m not understanding what the big deal is about this story and why all the outlets are talking about it. Trump was not shy about saying he wanted to prosecute Clinton during the campaign and he spoke just as strong about Comey after he fired him. So what’s the buzz all about with this story??

It is a big deal. I suggest you read the OP link to The New York Times.

I read it but I’m still not seeing the issue. Had he ordered the DOJ to prosecute and it been followed through with then we would have something to talk about. But asking questions and even making suggestions that go nowhere is a non issue and when it gets blown up to be a big deal it only strengthens his fake/bias news narrative.

Among other things it shows his intent - until Don McGahn talked him out of it. There are many angles to this story. Also, Don McGahn said that "to the best of his knowledge" Trump did not ask anyone else to follow through on prosecuting Hillary and Comey. It is currently unknown whether Trump discussed this with Matt Whitaker before making him AG. There is much more to be known. The legal experts think this is a really big deal.

From the OP:

It is unclear whether Mr. Trump read Mr. McGahn’s memo or whether he pursued the prosecutions further. But the president has continued to privately discuss the matter, including the possible appointment of a second special counsel to investigate both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Comey, according to two people who have spoken to Mr. Trump about the issue. He has also repeatedly expressed disappointment in the F.B.I. director, Christopher A. Wray, for failing to more aggressively investigate Mrs. Clinton, calling him weak, one of the people said.

Mr. Trump repeatedly pressed Justice Department officials about the status of Clinton-related investigations, including Mr. Whitaker when he was the chief of staff to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, according to a person with direct knowledge of the conversations. CNN first reported those discussions.

During the presidential race, Mr. Whitaker, a former United States attorney, also said he would have indicted Mrs. Clinton, contradicting Mr. Comey’s highly unusual public announcement that he would recommend the Justice Department not charge her over her handling of classified information while secretary of state.

“When the facts and evidence show a criminal violation has been committed, the individuals involved should not dictate whether the case is prosecuted,” Mr. Whitaker wrote in an op-ed in USA Today in July 2016.

The following CNN article also adds some background:

Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump on multiple occasions raised with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Matt Whitaker, who was then-chief of staff to Jeff Sessions, whether the Justice Department was progressing in investigating Hillary Clinton, according to a source familiar with the matter.

The President also wanted his previous White House counsel, Don McGahn, to ask the Justice Department to prosecute Clinton on numerous occasions, but McGahn rebuffed doing that, the source said.

Anticipating the question about Clinton would be raised, Whitaker came prepared to answer with what Justice was doing on Clinton-related matters, including the Clinton Foundation and Uranium One investigations, the source said. The source added that Whitaker was trying to appease the President, but did not seem to cross any line.

More: Trump raised investigating Clinton with Rosenstein, Whitaker and McGahn - CNNPolitics

I understand your point but you’re better off going after Trump for the things he actually does that are objectionable. Going after his stupid statements and even his failed attempts to do idiotic things is not going to land in a significant way. He campaigned on locking up Clinton so asking his DOJ or attorneys about it jist isn’t that surprising or that big of a deal. Now if they actually moved on it, then there is reason to voice strong objection

We don't yet know what Trump may have actually moved on. With Sessions or Whitaker.

Well until something comes out let’s stick with the real shit like how he is fumbling this Saudi Arabia situation or screwing up the stock market with his trade war. There is plenty of ammo to go after him with. I don’t think him wanting to investigate Clinton or Comey is surprising or significant. But that’s just my opinion.

 

[Lakhota]

It is a big deal. I suggest you read the OP link to The New York Times.

I read it but I’m still not seeing the issue. Had he ordered the DOJ to prosecute and it been followed through with then we would have something to talk about. But asking questions and even making suggestions that go nowhere is a non issue and when it gets blown up to be a big deal it only strengthens his fake/bias news narrative.

Among other things it shows his intent - until Don McGahn talked him out of it. There are many angles to this story. Also, Don McGahn said that "to the best of his knowledge" Trump did not ask anyone else to follow through on prosecuting Hillary and Comey. It is currently unknown whether Trump discussed this with Matt Whitaker before making him AG. There is much more to be known. The legal experts think this is a really big deal.

From the OP:

It is unclear whether Mr. Trump read Mr. McGahn’s memo or whether he pursued the prosecutions further. But the president has continued to privately discuss the matter, including the possible appointment of a second special counsel to investigate both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Comey, according to two people who have spoken to Mr. Trump about the issue. He has also repeatedly expressed disappointment in the F.B.I. director, Christopher A. Wray, for failing to more aggressively investigate Mrs. Clinton, calling him weak, one of the people said.

Mr. Trump repeatedly pressed Justice Department officials about the status of Clinton-related investigations, including Mr. Whitaker when he was the chief of staff to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, according to a person with direct knowledge of the conversations. CNN first reported those discussions.

During the presidential race, Mr. Whitaker, a former United States attorney, also said he would have indicted Mrs. Clinton, contradicting Mr. Comey’s highly unusual public announcement that he would recommend the Justice Department not charge her over her handling of classified information while secretary of state.

“When the facts and evidence show a criminal violation has been committed, the individuals involved should not dictate whether the case is prosecuted,” Mr. Whitaker wrote in an op-ed in USA Today in July 2016.

The following CNN article also adds some background:

Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump on multiple occasions raised with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Matt Whitaker, who was then-chief of staff to Jeff Sessions, whether the Justice Department was progressing in investigating Hillary Clinton, according to a source familiar with the matter.

The President also wanted his previous White House counsel, Don McGahn, to ask the Justice Department to prosecute Clinton on numerous occasions, but McGahn rebuffed doing that, the source said.

Anticipating the question about Clinton would be raised, Whitaker came prepared to answer with what Justice was doing on Clinton-related matters, including the Clinton Foundation and Uranium One investigations, the source said. The source added that Whitaker was trying to appease the President, but did not seem to cross any line.

More: Trump raised investigating Clinton with Rosenstein, Whitaker and McGahn - CNNPolitics

I understand your point but you’re better off going after Trump for the things he actually does that are objectionable. Going after his stupid statements and even his failed attempts to do idiotic things is not going to land in a significant way. He campaigned on locking up Clinton so asking his DOJ or attorneys about it jist isn’t that surprising or that big of a deal. Now if they actually moved on it, then there is reason to voice strong objection

We don't yet know what Trump may have actually moved on. With Sessions or Whitaker.

Well until something comes out let’s stick with the real shit like how he is fumbling this Saudi Arabia situation or screwing up the stock market with his trade war. There is plenty of ammo to go after him with. I don’t think him wanting to investigate Clinton or Comey is surprising or significant. But that’s just my opinion.

It all falls under abuse of power. I agree that the tangible stuff should take priority.

 

[Karl Rand]

All of these points are indeed worthy of discussion but the central issue for me is the sanity, or lack of sanity, of a man who holds the nuclear codes, is impulsive, egocentric and unpredictable.

 

[OKTexas]

So? Hillary broke the law and lied repeatedly.

A president cannot order a prosecution, dope.

Considering he is the only person charged by the Constitution to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, yes, he actually can. All federal law enforcement powers are derived and conveyed through him.

Now feel free to dig through your pocket Constitution, if you have one, and prove me wrong.

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[OKTexas]

Can America, and the world, survive Trump until 2020? We are living in dangerous and scary times.

Hopefully you won't survive that long. It's really pathetic to look to other people to do your thinking for you. Memes are for the weak minded and retards.

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[Lakhota]

All of these points are indeed worthy of discussion but the central issue for me is the sanity, or lack of sanity, of a man who holds the nuclear codes, is impulsive, egocentric and unpredictable.

I totally agree! His brain ain't right - and I'm sure the people around him also know that. Trump has always been an asshole - but now he's a crazy asshole.

 

[Slade3200]

I read it but I’m still not seeing the issue. Had he ordered the DOJ to prosecute and it been followed through with then we would have something to talk about. But asking questions and even making suggestions that go nowhere is a non issue and when it gets blown up to be a big deal it only strengthens his fake/bias news narrative.

Among other things it shows his intent - until Don McGahn talked him out of it. There are many angles to this story. Also, Don McGahn said that "to the best of his knowledge" Trump did not ask anyone else to follow through on prosecuting Hillary and Comey. It is currently unknown whether Trump discussed this with Matt Whitaker before making him AG. There is much more to be known. The legal experts think this is a really big deal.

From the OP:

It is unclear whether Mr. Trump read Mr. McGahn’s memo or whether he pursued the prosecutions further. But the president has continued to privately discuss the matter, including the possible appointment of a second special counsel to investigate both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Comey, according to two people who have spoken to Mr. Trump about the issue. He has also repeatedly expressed disappointment in the F.B.I. director, Christopher A. Wray, for failing to more aggressively investigate Mrs. Clinton, calling him weak, one of the people said.

Mr. Trump repeatedly pressed Justice Department officials about the status of Clinton-related investigations, including Mr. Whitaker when he was the chief of staff to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, according to a person with direct knowledge of the conversations. CNN first reported those discussions.

During the presidential race, Mr. Whitaker, a former United States attorney, also said he would have indicted Mrs. Clinton, contradicting Mr. Comey’s highly unusual public announcement that he would recommend the Justice Department not charge her over her handling of classified information while secretary of state.

“When the facts and evidence show a criminal violation has been committed, the individuals involved should not dictate whether the case is prosecuted,” Mr. Whitaker wrote in an op-ed in USA Today in July 2016.

The following CNN article also adds some background:

Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump on multiple occasions raised with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Matt Whitaker, who was then-chief of staff to Jeff Sessions, whether the Justice Department was progressing in investigating Hillary Clinton, according to a source familiar with the matter.

The President also wanted his previous White House counsel, Don McGahn, to ask the Justice Department to prosecute Clinton on numerous occasions, but McGahn rebuffed doing that, the source said.

Anticipating the question about Clinton would be raised, Whitaker came prepared to answer with what Justice was doing on Clinton-related matters, including the Clinton Foundation and Uranium One investigations, the source said. The source added that Whitaker was trying to appease the President, but did not seem to cross any line.

More: Trump raised investigating Clinton with Rosenstein, Whitaker and McGahn - CNNPolitics

I understand your point but you’re better off going after Trump for the things he actually does that are objectionable. Going after his stupid statements and even his failed attempts to do idiotic things is not going to land in a significant way. He campaigned on locking up Clinton so asking his DOJ or attorneys about it jist isn’t that surprising or that big of a deal. Now if they actually moved on it, then there is reason to voice strong objection

We don't yet know what Trump may have actually moved on. With Sessions or Whitaker.

Well until something comes out let’s stick with the real shit like how he is fumbling this Saudi Arabia situation or screwing up the stock market with his trade war. There is plenty of ammo to go after him with. I don’t think him wanting to investigate Clinton or Comey is surprising or significant. But that’s just my opinion.

It all falls under abuse of power. I agree that the tangible stuff should take priority.

The best thing Trump opponents can do in my opinion is hold their noses for two years and then vote him out of office. Need to make sure there is a good candidate running against him that has strong messaging and fresh ideas. Most importantly, stop taking the bait that Trump constantly lays out. He is nothing without enemies and fall guys so don’t give him any easy targets

 

[OKTexas]

Trump has committed all manner of impeachable offenses – offenses that warrant his removal from office consistent with Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution.

Impeachment is a political – not legal – process; a president can be removed from office via the impeachment process absent alleged criminal wrongdoing; because he's doing a poor job as president, such as Trump.

But that will never happen.

Democrats don’t want Pence as president.

A conviction in the Republican Senate would be impossible.

And the American people would never support removing a president from office absent alleged criminal wrongdoing, as most Americans incorrectly believe that a president must have committed a crime to be impeached.

Indeed, Trump benefits from Americans’ ignorance.

Oh fuck you and your faux legal jargon. You're too stupid to breath without mechanical assistance. You'll never get 76 votes in the senate to impeach anyone. You want to insure Trumps reelection, fucking give it a try.

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[Lakhota]

Among other things it shows his intent - until Don McGahn talked him out of it. There are many angles to this story. Also, Don McGahn said that "to the best of his knowledge" Trump did not ask anyone else to follow through on prosecuting Hillary and Comey. It is currently unknown whether Trump discussed this with Matt Whitaker before making him AG. There is much more to be known. The legal experts think this is a really big deal.

From the OP:

It is unclear whether Mr. Trump read Mr. McGahn’s memo or whether he pursued the prosecutions further. But the president has continued to privately discuss the matter, including the possible appointment of a second special counsel to investigate both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Comey, according to two people who have spoken to Mr. Trump about the issue. He has also repeatedly expressed disappointment in the F.B.I. director, Christopher A. Wray, for failing to more aggressively investigate Mrs. Clinton, calling him weak, one of the people said.

Mr. Trump repeatedly pressed Justice Department officials about the status of Clinton-related investigations, including Mr. Whitaker when he was the chief of staff to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, according to a person with direct knowledge of the conversations. CNN first reported those discussions.

During the presidential race, Mr. Whitaker, a former United States attorney, also said he would have indicted Mrs. Clinton, contradicting Mr. Comey’s highly unusual public announcement that he would recommend the Justice Department not charge her over her handling of classified information while secretary of state.

“When the facts and evidence show a criminal violation has been committed, the individuals involved should not dictate whether the case is prosecuted,” Mr. Whitaker wrote in an op-ed in USA Today in July 2016.

The following CNN article also adds some background:

Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump on multiple occasions raised with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Matt Whitaker, who was then-chief of staff to Jeff Sessions, whether the Justice Department was progressing in investigating Hillary Clinton, according to a source familiar with the matter.

The President also wanted his previous White House counsel, Don McGahn, to ask the Justice Department to prosecute Clinton on numerous occasions, but McGahn rebuffed doing that, the source said.

Anticipating the question about Clinton would be raised, Whitaker came prepared to answer with what Justice was doing on Clinton-related matters, including the Clinton Foundation and Uranium One investigations, the source said. The source added that Whitaker was trying to appease the President, but did not seem to cross any line.

More: Trump raised investigating Clinton with Rosenstein, Whitaker and McGahn - CNNPolitics

I understand your point but you’re better off going after Trump for the things he actually does that are objectionable. Going after his stupid statements and even his failed attempts to do idiotic things is not going to land in a significant way. He campaigned on locking up Clinton so asking his DOJ or attorneys about it jist isn’t that surprising or that big of a deal. Now if they actually moved on it, then there is reason to voice strong objection

We don't yet know what Trump may have actually moved on. With Sessions or Whitaker.

Well until something comes out let’s stick with the real shit like how he is fumbling this Saudi Arabia situation or screwing up the stock market with his trade war. There is plenty of ammo to go after him with. I don’t think him wanting to investigate Clinton or Comey is surprising or significant. But that’s just my opinion.

It all falls under abuse of power. I agree that the tangible stuff should take priority.

The best thing Trump opponents can do in my opinion is hold their noses for two years and then vote him out of office. Need to make sure there is a good candidate running against him that has strong messaging and fresh ideas. Most importantly, stop taking the bait that Trump constantly lays out. He is nothing without enemies and fall guys so don’t give him any easy targets

The best thing is to gather enough overwhelming evidence and impeach his fucking ass! Prison would be even better. And get his entire mafia family of grifters out of federal government.

 

[OKTexas]

Trump has committed all manner of impeachable offenses – offenses that warrant his removal from office consistent with Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution.

Impeachment is a political – not legal – process; a president can be removed from office via the impeachment process absent alleged criminal wrongdoing; because he's doing a poor job as president, such as Trump.

But that will never happen.

Democrats don’t want Pence as president.

A conviction in the Republican Senate would be impossible.

And the American people would never support removing a president from office absent alleged criminal wrongdoing, as most Americans incorrectly believe that a president must have committed a crime to be impeached.

Indeed, Trump benefits from Americans’ ignorance.

He Benefits from "Americans' Ignorance?"

HE WAS ELECTED BY AMERICANS'S IGNORANCE. They believed all the lies that the Russian Bots put on social media about Hillary Clinton.

You regressives are the only ones displaying ignorance around here.

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[OKTexas]

Actually if you want to know the truth, Trump was elected because of the sheer arrogance and incompetence of the Democrat

So it's the Democrats' fault there are 30 million of you in this country? Hardly...

Try 65 million and growing, asshole.

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[bripat9643]

WASHINGTON — President Trump told the White House counsel in the spring that he wanted to order the Justice Department to prosecute two of his political adversaries: his 2016 challenger, Hillary Clinton, and the former F.B.I. director James B. Comey, according to two people familiar with the conversation.

The lawyer, Donald F. McGahn II, rebuffed the president, saying that he had no authority to order a prosecution. Mr. McGahn said that while he could request an investigation, that too could prompt accusations of abuse of power. To underscore his point, Mr. McGahn had White House lawyers write a memo for Mr. Trump warning that if he asked law enforcement to investigate his rivals, he could face a range of consequences, including possible impeachment.

The encounter was one of the most blatant examples yet of how Mr. Trump views the typically independent Justice Department as a tool to be wielded against his political enemies. It took on additional significance in recent weeks when Mr. McGahn left the White House and Mr. Trump appointed a relatively inexperienced political loyalist, Matthew G. Whitaker, as the acting attorney general.

More: Trump Wanted to Order Justice Dept. to Prosecute Comey and Clinton

This is what third-world dictators do. Is that where we are? What do you think?

Yet, Obama had no trouble getting Eric Holder to do whatever he wanted.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Among other things it shows his intent - until Don McGahn talked him out of it. There are many angles to this story. Also, Don McGahn said that "to the best of his knowledge" Trump did not ask anyone else to follow through on prosecuting Hillary and Comey. It is currently unknown whether Trump discussed this with Matt Whitaker before making him AG. There is much more to be known. The legal experts think this is a really big deal.

From the OP:

It is unclear whether Mr. Trump read Mr. McGahn’s memo or whether he pursued the prosecutions further. But the president has continued to privately discuss the matter, including the possible appointment of a second special counsel to investigate both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Comey, according to two people who have spoken to Mr. Trump about the issue. He has also repeatedly expressed disappointment in the F.B.I. director, Christopher A. Wray, for failing to more aggressively investigate Mrs. Clinton, calling him weak, one of the people said.

Mr. Trump repeatedly pressed Justice Department officials about the status of Clinton-related investigations, including Mr. Whitaker when he was the chief of staff to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, according to a person with direct knowledge of the conversations. CNN first reported those discussions.

During the presidential race, Mr. Whitaker, a former United States attorney, also said he would have indicted Mrs. Clinton, contradicting Mr. Comey’s highly unusual public announcement that he would recommend the Justice Department not charge her over her handling of classified information while secretary of state.

“When the facts and evidence show a criminal violation has been committed, the individuals involved should not dictate whether the case is prosecuted,” Mr. Whitaker wrote in an op-ed in USA Today in July 2016.

The following CNN article also adds some background:

Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump on multiple occasions raised with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Matt Whitaker, who was then-chief of staff to Jeff Sessions, whether the Justice Department was progressing in investigating Hillary Clinton, according to a source familiar with the matter.

The President also wanted his previous White House counsel, Don McGahn, to ask the Justice Department to prosecute Clinton on numerous occasions, but McGahn rebuffed doing that, the source said.

Anticipating the question about Clinton would be raised, Whitaker came prepared to answer with what Justice was doing on Clinton-related matters, including the Clinton Foundation and Uranium One investigations, the source said. The source added that Whitaker was trying to appease the President, but did not seem to cross any line.

More: Trump raised investigating Clinton with Rosenstein, Whitaker and McGahn - CNNPolitics

I understand your point but you’re better off going after Trump for the things he actually does that are objectionable. Going after his stupid statements and even his failed attempts to do idiotic things is not going to land in a significant way. He campaigned on locking up Clinton so asking his DOJ or attorneys about it jist isn’t that surprising or that big of a deal. Now if they actually moved on it, then there is reason to voice strong objection

We don't yet know what Trump may have actually moved on. With Sessions or Whitaker.

Well until something comes out let’s stick with the real shit like how he is fumbling this Saudi Arabia situation or screwing up the stock market with his trade war. There is plenty of ammo to go after him with. I don’t think him wanting to investigate Clinton or Comey is surprising or significant. But that’s just my opinion.

It all falls under abuse of power. I agree that the tangible stuff should take priority.

The best thing Trump opponents can do in my opinion is hold their noses for two years and then vote him out of office. Need to make sure there is a good candidate running against him that has strong messaging and fresh ideas. Most importantly, stop taking the bait that Trump constantly lays out. He is nothing without enemies and fall guys so don’t give him any easy targets

And back to normal politics where the main stream press beats up on the right wing and they take it.


While doing insider trading..


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[Wyatt earp]

WASHINGTON — President Trump told the White House counsel in the spring that he wanted to order the Justice Department to prosecute two of his political adversaries: his 2016 challenger, Hillary Clinton, and the former F.B.I. director James B. Comey, according to two people familiar with the conversation.

The lawyer, Donald F. McGahn II, rebuffed the president, saying that he had no authority to order a prosecution. Mr. McGahn said that while he could request an investigation, that too could prompt accusations of abuse of power. To underscore his point, Mr. McGahn had White House lawyers write a memo for Mr. Trump warning that if he asked law enforcement to investigate his rivals, he could face a range of consequences, including possible impeachment.

The encounter was one of the most blatant examples yet of how Mr. Trump views the typically independent Justice Department as a tool to be wielded against his political enemies. It took on additional significance in recent weeks when Mr. McGahn left the White House and Mr. Trump appointed a relatively inexperienced political loyalist, Matthew G. Whitaker, as the acting attorney general.

More: Trump Wanted to Order Justice Dept. to Prosecute Comey and Clinton

This is what third-world dictators do. Is that where we are? What do you think?

Yet, Obama had no trouble getting Eric Holder to do whatever he wanted.

Exactly, this is the one thing I never understood..


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