Trump White House blocks CNN, NYT, LA Times, Politico and others from media briefing

[Camp]

FOX is only able to claim most popular status because they refer to the "cable news networks" category, a very small and limited category. Rated by viewers with NBC, ABC, and CBS they a crushed and made infinitesimal.

The majority of Americans do not get their news from only cable news networks. NBC, ABC, and CBS get around 24 million viewers every day. FOX's best-rated commentary program may get 3 million viewers.

Everytime I've heard it they have said highest rated cable news show. I don't see where that's deceitful. And yes, thanks for pointing out the main stream media is main stream. Mystery solved!

The point I was trying to make is that the rating game with "cable news" is just marketing hype. The major source of news for most Americans are the local independent affiliate news broadcast that almost always provide only a short synopsis of national and international news, the big stories of the day, and concentrate on local news, weather and sports, all crammed into a half hour, usually followed by the national news from one of the MSM sources, but far fewer viewers stay tuned in for that.

 

[Camp]

I think we need to revisit the Fairness Doctrine.

And I think you're an idiot. We don't need to revisit this lamebrain idea. What we need to do is hold media/news outlets accountable as consumers. The free market will do the rest.

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This is the kind of stuff that has to stop. Some smart ass was on here the other day demanding I show them evidence of CNN smearing Trump.... well here you go... From Feb. 23, 2017. CNN isn't even trying to hide their bias anymore.

The piece of shit who wrote this is a flaming radical left-wing idiot who has no business working for any media outlet of credibility in America. The Trump administration is FAR more pro-Israel than the Obama administration.... it's not even close. For God's sake, his grandkids are Jewish!

Contrast this nitwit's unhinged and baseless rant with objective reality from December 2016:

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Doesn't sound antisemitic to me. Neither did his UN Ambassador, Nikki Haley.


Does she sound like she's a fucking Jew-hater? Does this sound like the administration has a problem with Jews? CNN reports-- YOU decide!

If the free market was going to solve this

Fox wouldn't be the most popular cable news on TV lol

People who are objectively less informed on current events than their peers who report watching no news at all

Forbes

A Rigorous Scientific Look Into The 'Fox News Effect'

How people imagine profit motive and a business model based around advertising is going to lead to the truth is just fucking beyond me. Have you ever been on a forum that had advertisers they had to cater to?

NOw imagine that but you're a national news organization that sells ads for everything under teh sun. The free market will take care of it?

Pull your fucking head out of your ass

FOX is only able to claim most popular status because they refer to the "cable news networks" category, a very small and limited category. Rated by viewers with NBC, ABC, and CBS they a crushed and made infinitesimal.

The majority of Americans do not get their news from only cable news networks. NBC, ABC, and CBS get around 24 million viewers every day. FOX's best-rated commentary program may get 3 million viewers.

Classic liberal lie.

They use a "true" stat out of context, to inflate Fox's impact so they can argue that the MSM is balanced.


On some level they know that they are in the wrong and that telling the truth can never work for them. SO they just lie all the time, until it becomes their default reflex.

Nothing I posted is a lie. You are the liar for claiming there were lies in my post. Prove any of what I posted was a lie. Back up your bullshit without having to deflect and change what I posted.
I posted objective provable facts. You are posting subjective speculative opinions.

 

[Correll]

I think we need to revisit the Fairness Doctrine.

And I think you're an idiot. We don't need to revisit this lamebrain idea. What we need to do is hold media/news outlets accountable as consumers. The free market will do the rest.

View attachment 114273

This is the kind of stuff that has to stop. Some smart ass was on here the other day demanding I show them evidence of CNN smearing Trump.... well here you go... From Feb. 23, 2017. CNN isn't even trying to hide their bias anymore.

The piece of shit who wrote this is a flaming radical left-wing idiot who has no business working for any media outlet of credibility in America. The Trump administration is FAR more pro-Israel than the Obama administration.... it's not even close. For God's sake, his grandkids are Jewish!

Contrast this nitwit's unhinged and baseless rant with objective reality from December 2016:

View attachment 114274

Doesn't sound antisemitic to me. Neither did his UN Ambassador, Nikki Haley.


Does she sound like she's a fucking Jew-hater? Does this sound like the administration has a problem with Jews? CNN reports-- YOU decide!

If the free market was going to solve this

Fox wouldn't be the most popular cable news on TV lol

People who are objectively less informed on current events than their peers who report watching no news at all

Forbes

A Rigorous Scientific Look Into The 'Fox News Effect'

How people imagine profit motive and a business model based around advertising is going to lead to the truth is just fucking beyond me. Have you ever been on a forum that had advertisers they had to cater to?

NOw imagine that but you're a national news organization that sells ads for everything under teh sun. The free market will take care of it?

Pull your fucking head out of your ass

FOX is only able to claim most popular status because they refer to the "cable news networks" category, a very small and limited category. Rated by viewers with NBC, ABC, and CBS they a crushed and made infinitesimal.

The majority of Americans do not get their news from only cable news networks. NBC, ABC, and CBS get around 24 million viewers every day. FOX's best-rated commentary program may get 3 million viewers.

Classic liberal lie.

They use a "true" stat out of context, to inflate Fox's impact so they can argue that the MSM is balanced.


On some level they know that they are in the wrong and that telling the truth can never work for them. SO they just lie all the time, until it becomes their default reflex.

Nothing I posted is a lie. You are the liar for claiming there were lies in my post. Prove any of what I posted was a lie. Back up your bullshit without having to deflect and change what I posted.
I posted objective provable facts. You are posting subjective speculative opinions.

I was AGREEING with your point about Fox's standing, and just pointing out the way that that information has been dishonestly used in this thread.

 

[Camp]

And I think you're an idiot. We don't need to revisit this lamebrain idea. What we need to do is hold media/news outlets accountable as consumers. The free market will do the rest.

View attachment 114273

This is the kind of stuff that has to stop. Some smart ass was on here the other day demanding I show them evidence of CNN smearing Trump.... well here you go... From Feb. 23, 2017. CNN isn't even trying to hide their bias anymore.

The piece of shit who wrote this is a flaming radical left-wing idiot who has no business working for any media outlet of credibility in America. The Trump administration is FAR more pro-Israel than the Obama administration.... it's not even close. For God's sake, his grandkids are Jewish!

Contrast this nitwit's unhinged and baseless rant with objective reality from December 2016:

View attachment 114274

Doesn't sound antisemitic to me. Neither did his UN Ambassador, Nikki Haley.


Does she sound like she's a fucking Jew-hater? Does this sound like the administration has a problem with Jews? CNN reports-- YOU decide!

If the free market was going to solve this

Fox wouldn't be the most popular cable news on TV lol

People who are objectively less informed on current events than their peers who report watching no news at all

Forbes

A Rigorous Scientific Look Into The 'Fox News Effect'

How people imagine profit motive and a business model based around advertising is going to lead to the truth is just fucking beyond me. Have you ever been on a forum that had advertisers they had to cater to?

NOw imagine that but you're a national news organization that sells ads for everything under teh sun. The free market will take care of it?

Pull your fucking head out of your ass

FOX is only able to claim most popular status because they refer to the "cable news networks" category, a very small and limited category. Rated by viewers with NBC, ABC, and CBS they a crushed and made infinitesimal.

The majority of Americans do not get their news from only cable news networks. NBC, ABC, and CBS get around 24 million viewers every day. FOX's best-rated commentary program may get 3 million viewers.

Classic liberal lie.

They use a "true" stat out of context, to inflate Fox's impact so they can argue that the MSM is balanced.


On some level they know that they are in the wrong and that telling the truth can never work for them. SO they just lie all the time, until it becomes their default reflex.

Nothing I posted is a lie. You are the liar for claiming there were lies in my post. Prove any of what I posted was a lie. Back up your bullshit without having to deflect and change what I posted.
I posted objective provable facts. You are posting subjective speculative opinions.

I was AGREEING with your point about Fox's standing, and just pointing out the way that that information has been dishonestly used in this thread.

Ok, sorry if I misunderstood and misinterpreted your post. It is early in the morning where I am. Again, my apology for jumping to an inaccurate conclusion if that is what I did.

 

[Iceweasel]

FOX is only able to claim most popular status because they refer to the "cable news networks" category, a very small and limited category. Rated by viewers with NBC, ABC, and CBS they a crushed and made infinitesimal.

The majority of Americans do not get their news from only cable news networks. NBC, ABC, and CBS get around 24 million viewers every day. FOX's best-rated commentary program may get 3 million viewers.

Everytime I've heard it they have said highest rated cable news show. I don't see where that's deceitful. And yes, thanks for pointing out the main stream media is main stream. Mystery solved!

The point I was trying to make is that the rating game with "cable news" is just marketing hype. The major source of news for most Americans are the local independent affiliate news broadcast that almost always provide only a short synopsis of national and international news, the big stories of the day, and concentrate on local news, weather and sports, all crammed into a half hour, usually followed by the national news from one of the MSM sources, but far fewer viewers stay tuned in for that.

They all do marketing hype, but the msn has national news too. And the spin the shit out of it. Problem these days is many people are getting news elsewhere like websites and streaming sources. Radio probably plays a small role.

 

[bripat9643]

Funny that the same people that cheered over Obama's treatment of FOX are now calling Trump a dictator because he did not invite CNN to a gaggle.

I happen to agree with the sentiment here though (and did as well through Obama's attempts at controlling the media) - there is no reason to support Trump in excluding any news agency in briefings and certainly not when he is specifically targeting left agencies as he was here. This is not a first amendment issue though - the agencies are free to report at will. For the most part, the news stations will handle this on their own (at least I hope so). Bret Baier, surprisingly, tweeted a proper response to this though:
"Some at CNN & NYT stood w/FOX News when the Obama admin attacked us & tried 2 exclude us-a WH gaggle should be open to all credentialed orgs"
White House blocks CNN, New York Times from press briefing hours after Trump slams media

The news organizations should, and will IMHO, stand against this kind of action against the media in general. I have no problem with Trump calling them out for the shit reporting that we get these days but I do have a problem with Trump using the system to try and punish specific organizations.

I think we need to revisit the Fairness Doctrine. Media outlooks intermix news and news commentary to a appoint that it is difficult to determine sometimes where news reporting ends and commentary begins. Most cable news hardly even tries any more to keep them separate.

Back in the 1950's TV stations reported the news at least attempting a degree of fairness. Commentary was proceed by an announcement that following is editorial content and does not necessary represent the views of the station. Although this degree of separation was not required in newspapers, it was a mark of fine journalism to keep commentary on the editorial page. Slanting the news was a no no. Today it's treated as a mark of excellence.
Fairness Doctrine - Wikipedia

I am so shocked that you would support government censorship.

Weren't you just bleating about the First Amendment?

 

[FA_Q2]

The men who founded America wrote a constitution that protected free speech and a free "media" in the first amendment to the constitution. It has worked for the entire life of our nation. We don't need this guy in the White House today and his followers to weaken or remove that right.

You lefties should have thought of that, before you politicized the media.

The "media" consist of enormous numbers of private entities whose main purpose is to make a profit from dispersing news. The profits are dependent on advertising contained in their publications (including online endeavors) and in some cases subscription fees. The political slant a news source takes is determined by the demographics of their readers and consumers.

Bullshit.

If that was true, there would be more competition for the conservative viewers.

The reason that Fox has such high ratings, is that the rest of media has chosen to not even try for those viewers.

They are happy to keep their declining share, regardless of decreasing revenue, instead of changing.

Not really.

Trying to out FOX FOX is a bad move. The remaining media outlets are trying to expand their existing customer base. They have changed and changed a lot as a response to FOX as well. They are trying to copy the format FOX uses in a liberal tilt.

LOL!!

FORMAT is not the issue, their LIBERALS TILT is.

They can't expand their existing customer base by copying FORMAT.

Yes they can.
What they cannot do is expand their base by having a conservative tilt. Why?

Because FOX already has that market cornered. I don't care what CNN tries to do, they are not going to pull FOX viewership away from them by trying to become more conservative. Instead, they have run further to the left to cement the viewers that FOX will never touch.

 

[FA_Q2]

How people imagine profit motive and a business model based around advertising is going to lead to the truth is just fucking beyond me. Have you ever been on a forum that had advertisers they had to cater to?

It is really very simple to be honest. The viewers simply have to value truth over confirmation bias and dishonesty. That is not the case right now.

The news stations are not slanted because of advertisers - all they care about are eyeballs on their adverts. They are slanted because the owners of those eyeballs are demanding it.

 

[bripat9643]

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I loved it when the CNN reporter at the news conference called out Trump on his pathetic lie that " I had the largest electoral victory since Reagan."
And then when confronted with his lie, the cowardly president blamed someone else,
" Well that's what I was told."

No wonder Doofus only wants friendly softball questions from Breitbart and Fox. HE CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH.

If pathetic victories like that make you feel better, I'm happy for you.

STILL don't have the integrity to call out Trump's lies I see.

"Integrity?" Is that the label you put on your pathological hatred for anyone who disagrees with you?

 

[bripat9643]

The first amendment does not guarantee corporate media access to the White House. Did President Trump raid the media's offices and seize their publishing/broadcasting equipment?

You are right, it absolutely does not.

The people also do not have to stick with allowing the government to simply get away with something because it is legal. There is noting wrong with the people calling out Trump for this and demanding that he not be selective in access to White House press briefings. Government transparency is sorely needed.

So you think "transparency" is what we got from the Obama administration? What a deluded snowflake.

 

[AsianTrumpSupporter]

The first amendment does not guarantee corporate media access to the White House. Did President Trump raid the media's offices and seize their publishing/broadcasting equipment?

You are right, it absolutely does not.

The people also do not have to stick with allowing the government to simply get away with something because it is legal. There is noting wrong with the people calling out Trump for this and demanding that he not be selective in access to White House press briefings. Government transparency is sorely needed.

So you think "transparency" is what we got from the Obama administration? What a deluded snowflake.

The critics of Trump cutting off the legacy media conveniently forget Obama's war on the press and whistleblowers.

 

[FA_Q2]

The first amendment does not guarantee corporate media access to the White House. Did President Trump raid the media's offices and seize their publishing/broadcasting equipment?

You are right, it absolutely does not.

The people also do not have to stick with allowing the government to simply get away with something because it is legal. There is noting wrong with the people calling out Trump for this and demanding that he not be selective in access to White House press briefings. Government transparency is sorely needed.

So you think "transparency" is what we got from the Obama administration? What a deluded snowflake.

Where did I make that asinine claim? Obama was the least transparent administration that I can remember.


That has literally nothing to do with Trump at all.

 

[FA_Q2]

The first amendment does not guarantee corporate media access to the White House. Did President Trump raid the media's offices and seize their publishing/broadcasting equipment?

You are right, it absolutely does not.

The people also do not have to stick with allowing the government to simply get away with something because it is legal. There is noting wrong with the people calling out Trump for this and demanding that he not be selective in access to White House press briefings. Government transparency is sorely needed.

So you think "transparency" is what we got from the Obama administration? What a deluded snowflake.

The critics of Trump cutting off the legacy media conveniently forget Obama's war on the press and whistleblowers.

I assume you think that Obama was one of the worst presidents of modern times?


I will ask you the same thing that I asked the bobble heads constantly trying to justify Obama’s actions with Bush (who they felt was the worst president ever). Are you really going to justify the actions of a president and/or call them proper based on the actions of a president you consider terrible?


That makes no sense at all. I, at least, will hold these people that take such positions of power to the same standards – I expect MORE from them than ‘well the other shitty president did it.’

 

[Cellblock2429]

There goes our 1st amendment rights, whats next?

/---- Since I've blocked those same fake news sources in my home for 25 years I have no issue with Pres Trump doing the same.

 

[bripat9643]

The first amendment does not guarantee corporate media access to the White House. Did President Trump raid the media's offices and seize their publishing/broadcasting equipment?

You are right, it absolutely does not.

The people also do not have to stick with allowing the government to simply get away with something because it is legal. There is noting wrong with the people calling out Trump for this and demanding that he not be selective in access to White House press briefings. Government transparency is sorely needed.

So you think "transparency" is what we got from the Obama administration? What a deluded snowflake.

Where did I make that asinine claim? Obama was the least transparent administration that I can remember.


That has literally nothing to do with Trump at all.

It certainly does since I didn't notice you whining about the lack of transparency in the Obama administration.

 

[ding]

The first amendment does not guarantee corporate media access to the White House. Did President Trump raid the media's offices and seize their publishing/broadcasting equipment?

You are right, it absolutely does not.

The people also do not have to stick with allowing the government to simply get away with something because it is legal. There is noting wrong with the people calling out Trump for this and demanding that he not be selective in access to White House press briefings. Government transparency is sorely needed.

So you think "transparency" is what we got from the Obama administration? What a deluded snowflake.

The critics of Trump cutting off the legacy media conveniently forget Obama's war on the press and whistleblowers.

I assume you think that Obama was one of the worst presidents of modern times?


I will ask you the same thing that I asked the bobble heads constantly trying to justify Obama’s actions with Bush (who they felt was the worst president ever). Are you really going to justify the actions of a president and/or call them proper based on the actions of a president you consider terrible?


That makes no sense at all. I, at least, will hold these people that take such positions of power to the same standards – I expect MORE from them than ‘well the other shitty president did it.’

He set the standard for dividin the country. Don't start crying now.

 

[AsianTrumpSupporter]

I think Obama was one of the worst for press freedom. For a guy who campaigned on "change," he basically continued everything George Bush did and even ramped up many George Bush era programs like the Patriot Act as explained by former NSA official, William Binney. Every time the Patriot Act came up for renewal, Obama rubber stamped it and greatly expanded it.

 

[brummelben]

There goes our 1st amendment rights, whats next?

/---- Since I've blocked those same fake news sources in my home for 25 years I have no issue with Pres Trump doing the same.

Good for you sonny, just keep listening to Fox

 

[FA_Q2]

The first amendment does not guarantee corporate media access to the White House. Did President Trump raid the media's offices and seize their publishing/broadcasting equipment?

You are right, it absolutely does not.

The people also do not have to stick with allowing the government to simply get away with something because it is legal. There is noting wrong with the people calling out Trump for this and demanding that he not be selective in access to White House press briefings. Government transparency is sorely needed.

So you think "transparency" is what we got from the Obama administration? What a deluded snowflake.

Where did I make that asinine claim? Obama was the least transparent administration that I can remember.


That has literally nothing to do with Trump at all.

It certainly does since I didn't notice you whining about the lack of transparency in the Obama administration.

The fact that you don’t pay attention does have anything to do with me. What you did or did not notice is immaterial.

 

[Cellblock2429]

There goes our 1st amendment rights, whats next?

/---- you have no idea what the first amendment even means. Did Obozo invite every media outlet to his press conferences? Of course not you imbecile