Trump will NOT approve release of DEM memo

So you're saying it is ok for one party to use their position as the majority to put out a misleading memo that references classified information they know can't/shouldn't be released to the public as part of a propaganda campaign, but it isn't ok for the other party in the same committee to try and refute/prove the other memo was bullshit?

There was ZERO redacted from the Majority Memo other than blackinking the classification at the top of the pages. That's how I was taught to write UNclassified summaries of classified material. First one was done right.

And you can dispute original sourcing WITHOUT divulging secrets. Minority just didn't want to..
According to who?

The Trump Admin? Or the FBI?

No. It is partisan censoring and it is dispicable to anyone genuinely interested in the truth.

Don't get your comment.. I stated facts.. There was NOT A WORD redacted from the majority report other than the Classification stamp at the top of pages.. Now the GRASSLEY memo had PLENTY redacted from it. So the system for declassification is WORKING.

The way it works is that there has to be agreement from the classifying agency and ANY agency who's sources were used. So it's NOT as you suggested Trump OR the FBI that decides. It's BOTH.. In fact the FISA court might even have been consulted --- since they are the CENTER of this..

Not partisan censoring. It's either TRULY classified or it's not. Although a LOT of this is ONLY classified to keep it from the people and press in the 1st place. Not because undercover agents are gonna die or collection systems compromised..

Yeah except the FBI said the Republican memo shouldn't be released and Trump did it anyway. So how is that considered the system working? Seems to me everything is ok to be released by Trump as long as it helps him out.

OF COURSE the FBI wouldn't want all this out in public... Lemme rephrase that --- THe LEADERSHIP of the FBI would make outrageous claims about it being "harmful to national security" to prevent the INTITIAL release... They were clearly bluffing..

The rank\file are CHEERING on the necessary investigation and cleansing.

Anyways -- Here's the test. We've got your leftist buds squealing that the COMMITTEE voted unanimously to release the Minority Report.. That's true -- BUT -- It's subject to FBI/DOJ/Whitehouse redaction and approval..

ANY of those 3 --- PLUS about 3 or 4 possible OTHER agencies can read and comment. It's NOT up to just ONE of any of them.

What's keeping them honest is that the public is watching. And if claims are made that stuff REMAINS classified simply because it's embarrassing or damaging to EITHER the FBI or the WHouse -- that -- won't -- stand.. Enough folks have now read it to prevent "classification abuse"... Which is the ONLY grounds on which Trump can act alone...


Ok so the new litmus test is the system works as long as Trump, you, and the party you support thinks the information in a document is ok to be released?

...and as long as you like the people running the agencies you just said should decide if information should be released.

Do you see the issue here?
 
Of course.. Because Nunes is smarter than Trump.. And because BOTH sides want the silly business of classifying stuff SOLELY to hide facts from the Media and public gone.. All Trump needs to do is to task FBI to do the redactions. If they allow most of the crap --- it signals Nunes and the other side that it's OK to open the floodgates. Which is what needs to happen here.

Everyone KNOWs the sources are the NSA Big Brother collection system. And I DOUBT there are any human assets to protect. ONLY reason for classification is to protect the FISA court and FBI conspirators at this point. We'll see how much the FBI MANAGEMENT under fire wants to cough up...


So you're saying it is ok for one party to use their position as the majority to put out a misleading memo that references classified information they know can't/shouldn't be released to the public as part of a propaganda campaign, but it isn't ok for the other party in the same committee to try and refute/prove the other memo was bullshit?

There was ZERO redacted from the Majority Memo other than blackinking the classification at the top of the pages. That's how I was taught to write UNclassified summaries of classified material. First one was done right.

And you can dispute original sourcing WITHOUT divulging secrets. Minority just didn't want to..
According to who?

The Trump Admin? Or the FBI?

No. It is partisan censoring and it is dispicable to anyone genuinely interested in the truth.

Don't get your comment.. I stated facts.. There was NOT A WORD redacted from the majority report other than the Classification stamp at the top of pages.. Now the GRASSLEY memo had PLENTY redacted from it. So the system for declassification is WORKING.

The way it works is that there has to be agreement from the classifying agency and ANY agency who's sources were used. So it's NOT as you suggested Trump OR the FBI that decides. It's BOTH.. In fact the FISA court might even have been consulted --- since they are the CENTER of this..

Not partisan censoring. It's either TRULY classified or it's not. Although a LOT of this is ONLY classified to keep it from the people and press in the 1st place. Not because undercover agents are gonna die or collection systems compromised..

Yeah except the FBI said the Republican memo shouldn't be released and Trump did it anyway. So how is that considered the system working? Seems to me everything is ok to be released by Trump as long as it helps him out.
Seems security only works if it supports Trumps agenda
 
Trump is once again engaging in obstruction

Doesn't make his case look too good

Not releasing documents to the public is now obstruction?

That is quite a stretch.

Trump is pathetically trying to appeal to public opinion is a colossal failure

Nobody cares about the Nunes memo....it is a joke

That Trump is still trying to obstruct Dems releasing the full story shows hoe low his Presidency has sunk

If you think so, then that is your reality, I really don’t care about Nunes memo nor do I give a flip about the Democrats worthless memo, it seems the partisans thrive on gossip and rumors. Give me truth and facts, not what your party’s spew.

As far as the colossal failure? That is really funny because the left has been saying that for over two years and are wrong at every turn.
Nines memo flopped
Nobody really cared

Trumps attempt to block an alternative view is pathetic
 
Trump is once again engaging in obstruction

Doesn't make his case look too good

Not releasing documents to the public is now obstruction?

That is quite a stretch.

Trump is pathetically trying to appeal to public opinion is a colossal failure

Nobody cares about the Nunes memo....it is a joke

That Trump is still trying to obstruct Dems releasing the full story shows hoe low his Presidency has sunk

If you think so, then that is your reality, I really don’t care about Nunes memo nor do I give a flip about the Democrats worthless memo, it seems the partisans thrive on gossip and rumors. Give me truth and facts, not what your party’s spew.

As far as the colossal failure? That is really funny because the left has been saying that for over two years and are wrong at every turn.
Nines memo flopped
Nobody really cared

Trumps attempt to block an alternative view is pathetic

For you perhaps, for most Americans it isn’t.
 
Trump is once again engaging in obstruction

Doesn't make his case look too good

Not releasing documents to the public is now obstruction?

That is quite a stretch.

Trump is pathetically trying to appeal to public opinion is a colossal failure

Nobody cares about the Nunes memo....it is a joke

That Trump is still trying to obstruct Dems releasing the full story shows hoe low his Presidency has sunk

If you think so, then that is your reality, I really don’t care about Nunes memo nor do I give a flip about the Democrats worthless memo, it seems the partisans thrive on gossip and rumors. Give me truth and facts, not what your party’s spew.

As far as the colossal failure? That is really funny because the left has been saying that for over two years and are wrong at every turn.
Nines memo flopped
Nobody really cared

Trumps attempt to block an alternative view is pathetic

Got a link to a Nines memo? Never heard of that one.
 
There was ZERO redacted from the Majority Memo other than blackinking the classification at the top of the pages. That's how I was taught to write UNclassified summaries of classified material. First one was done right.

And you can dispute original sourcing WITHOUT divulging secrets. Minority just didn't want to..
According to who?

The Trump Admin? Or the FBI?

No. It is partisan censoring and it is dispicable to anyone genuinely interested in the truth.

Don't get your comment.. I stated facts.. There was NOT A WORD redacted from the majority report other than the Classification stamp at the top of pages.. Now the GRASSLEY memo had PLENTY redacted from it. So the system for declassification is WORKING.

The way it works is that there has to be agreement from the classifying agency and ANY agency who's sources were used. So it's NOT as you suggested Trump OR the FBI that decides. It's BOTH.. In fact the FISA court might even have been consulted --- since they are the CENTER of this..

Not partisan censoring. It's either TRULY classified or it's not. Although a LOT of this is ONLY classified to keep it from the people and press in the 1st place. Not because undercover agents are gonna die or collection systems compromised..

Yeah except the FBI said the Republican memo shouldn't be released and Trump did it anyway. So how is that considered the system working? Seems to me everything is ok to be released by Trump as long as it helps him out.

OF COURSE the FBI wouldn't want all this out in public... Lemme rephrase that --- THe LEADERSHIP of the FBI would make outrageous claims about it being "harmful to national security" to prevent the INTITIAL release... They were clearly bluffing..

The rank\file are CHEERING on the necessary investigation and cleansing.

Anyways -- Here's the test. We've got your leftist buds squealing that the COMMITTEE voted unanimously to release the Minority Report.. That's true -- BUT -- It's subject to FBI/DOJ/Whitehouse redaction and approval..

ANY of those 3 --- PLUS about 3 or 4 possible OTHER agencies can read and comment. It's NOT up to just ONE of any of them.

What's keeping them honest is that the public is watching. And if claims are made that stuff REMAINS classified simply because it's embarrassing or damaging to EITHER the FBI or the WHouse -- that -- won't -- stand.. Enough folks have now read it to prevent "classification abuse"... Which is the ONLY grounds on which Trump can act alone...


Ok so the new litmus test is the system works as long as Trump, you, and the party you support thinks the information in a document is ok to be released?

...and as long as you like the people running the agencies you just said should decide if information should be released.

Do you see the issue here?

Not really.. I told you how it NEEDS work and why I think it WILL work and you're just sandbagging me..
 
Interesting, since Trump was willing to release the Nunes memo sight unseen.

Could be interesting, but not a bit surprising. The orange pig doesn't want the truth to be released.
Since none of us has seen the democrat memo, let's play the game.

You say Trump doesn't want the truth to come out, so he canned the memo.
I'll say the democrats are bluffing and don't have a good response, so they deliberately put classified information in the memo so Trump wouldn't release it.

Your turn.

Of course you say that. It's what fox told you to say.

Fox who? We've not seen the memo, so mine's as good as yours.
 
Trump Blocks Release Of Democrats’ Rebuttal To GOP FISA Memo

The House Intelligence Committee voted to release the Democrats’ memo on Monday.


WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump blocked the release of a memo written by Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee as a rebuttal to allegations from their Republican counterparts that the FBI abused surveillance laws to improperly spy on the Trump campaign.

In a letter to the House Intelligence Committee on Friday, White House counsel Don McGahn said that while the president is “inclined” to declassify the memo, he will not “at this time” due to it containing “numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages.”

McGahn said Trump has directed the Justice Department to offer assistance to the House committee to revise the memo.

“The Executive Branch stands ready to review any subsequent draft ... for declassification at the earliest opportunity,” McGahn said.

MORE: TRUMP BLOCKS DEM MEMO
I first heard it on CNN. Sounds like a snow job to me! We'll see...


That would really surprise me if Trump released it--:badgrin:

We really don't need the Democrat memo anyway--we've got enough out of the Nunes memo to DEBUNK the FOX NEWS conspiracy.

FOX NEWS has been trying to concoct a conspiracy that there was malfeasance, bias going on within the FBI & the DOJ who rightfully issued a FISA warrant on Carter Page, as an abuse, so they can fire Rod Rosenstein, deputy Attorney General who is in charge of Robert Mueller investigation, in an effort to replace Rosenstein with another in an attempt to kill the Russian investigation. That's all this is about.


So the FACTS. Pay attention to dates:
1. The Dossier File--(with Carter Page's name mentioned often in it) wasn't handed over to the FBI until January 2017.
2. In the final sentence of the Nunes Memo it specifically states this: "That the Russian investigation started in July 2016, and it was centered around George Papalopodous--who's name is not mentioned anywhere in the Dossier file.
3.. That the renewed FISA warrant on Carter Page was done in September 2016. Note that Carter Page was also under investigation for working with Russians back in 2013.
Russian Spies Tried to Recruit Carter Page Before He Advised Trump

Carter Page repeatedly claimed that his trip to Moscow during the campaign was to only give a speech. Under oath--his story dramatically changed.

Page testified that he had met with Russian government officials during this trip and had sent a post-meeting report via email to members of the Trump campaign.[40]He also indicated that campaign co-chairman Sam Clovis had asked him to sign a non-disclosure agreement about his trip.[41] Elements of Page's testimony contradicted prior claims by Trump, Sessions, and others in the Trump administration.
Carter Page - Wikipedia

Clearly the FBI started their investigation into Trump surrogates contact with Russian agents long before they ever received the Dossier file.

Why? Because the FBI was getting intelligence coming in from several different foreign countries since 2015.

GCHQ--first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added. Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors.

It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.
British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia

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Trump Blocks Release Of Democrats’ Rebuttal To GOP FISA Memo

The House Intelligence Committee voted to release the Democrats’ memo on Monday.


WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump blocked the release of a memo written by Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee as a rebuttal to allegations from their Republican counterparts that the FBI abused surveillance laws to improperly spy on the Trump campaign.

In a letter to the House Intelligence Committee on Friday, White House counsel Don McGahn said that while the president is “inclined” to declassify the memo, he will not “at this time” due to it containing “numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages.”

McGahn said Trump has directed the Justice Department to offer assistance to the House committee to revise the memo.

“The Executive Branch stands ready to review any subsequent draft ... for declassification at the earliest opportunity,” McGahn said.

MORE: TRUMP BLOCKS DEM MEMO
I first heard it on CNN. Sounds like a snow job to me! We'll see...

Very shady.
 
Trump Blocks Release Of Democrats’ Rebuttal To GOP FISA Memo

The House Intelligence Committee voted to release the Democrats’ memo on Monday.


WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump blocked the release of a memo written by Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee as a rebuttal to allegations from their Republican counterparts that the FBI abused surveillance laws to improperly spy on the Trump campaign.

In a letter to the House Intelligence Committee on Friday, White House counsel Don McGahn said that while the president is “inclined” to declassify the memo, he will not “at this time” due to it containing “numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages.”

McGahn said Trump has directed the Justice Department to offer assistance to the House committee to revise the memo.

“The Executive Branch stands ready to review any subsequent draft ... for declassification at the earliest opportunity,” McGahn said.

MORE: TRUMP BLOCKS DEM MEMO
I first heard it on CNN. Sounds like a snow job to me! We'll see...

Very shady.

Yes, the Democrats should not put classified information in their screeds.
 
Trump Blocks Release Of Democrats’ Rebuttal To GOP FISA Memo

The House Intelligence Committee voted to release the Democrats’ memo on Monday.


WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump blocked the release of a memo written by Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee as a rebuttal to allegations from their Republican counterparts that the FBI abused surveillance laws to improperly spy on the Trump campaign.

In a letter to the House Intelligence Committee on Friday, White House counsel Don McGahn said that while the president is “inclined” to declassify the memo, he will not “at this time” due to it containing “numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages.”

McGahn said Trump has directed the Justice Department to offer assistance to the House committee to revise the memo.

“The Executive Branch stands ready to review any subsequent draft ... for declassification at the earliest opportunity,” McGahn said.

MORE: TRUMP BLOCKS DEM MEMO
I first heard it on CNN. Sounds like a snow job to me! We'll see...

Very shady.

Yes, the Democrats should not put classified information in their screeds.

Have you seen it?
 
Trump Blocks Release Of Democrats’ Rebuttal To GOP FISA Memo

The House Intelligence Committee voted to release the Democrats’ memo on Monday.


WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump blocked the release of a memo written by Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee as a rebuttal to allegations from their Republican counterparts that the FBI abused surveillance laws to improperly spy on the Trump campaign.

In a letter to the House Intelligence Committee on Friday, White House counsel Don McGahn said that while the president is “inclined” to declassify the memo, he will not “at this time” due to it containing “numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages.”

McGahn said Trump has directed the Justice Department to offer assistance to the House committee to revise the memo.

“The Executive Branch stands ready to review any subsequent draft ... for declassification at the earliest opportunity,” McGahn said.

MORE: TRUMP BLOCKS DEM MEMO
I first heard it on CNN. Sounds like a snow job to me! We'll see...

Very shady.

Yes, the Democrats should not put classified information in their screeds.

You were good when Republicans did it though right?
 
Trump Blocks Release Of Democrats’ Rebuttal To GOP FISA Memo

The House Intelligence Committee voted to release the Democrats’ memo on Monday.


WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump blocked the release of a memo written by Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee as a rebuttal to allegations from their Republican counterparts that the FBI abused surveillance laws to improperly spy on the Trump campaign.

In a letter to the House Intelligence Committee on Friday, White House counsel Don McGahn said that while the president is “inclined” to declassify the memo, he will not “at this time” due to it containing “numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages.”

McGahn said Trump has directed the Justice Department to offer assistance to the House committee to revise the memo.

“The Executive Branch stands ready to review any subsequent draft ... for declassification at the earliest opportunity,” McGahn said.

MORE: TRUMP BLOCKS DEM MEMO
I first heard it on CNN. Sounds like a snow job to me! We'll see...

Very shady.

Yes, the Democrats should not put classified information in their screeds.

Have you seen it?

I've seen as much as you have. You seem to think Trump is hiding something, I choose to think they put things in they knew could not be released.
 
Trump Blocks Release Of Democrats’ Rebuttal To GOP FISA Memo

The House Intelligence Committee voted to release the Democrats’ memo on Monday.


WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump blocked the release of a memo written by Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee as a rebuttal to allegations from their Republican counterparts that the FBI abused surveillance laws to improperly spy on the Trump campaign.

In a letter to the House Intelligence Committee on Friday, White House counsel Don McGahn said that while the president is “inclined” to declassify the memo, he will not “at this time” due to it containing “numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages.”

McGahn said Trump has directed the Justice Department to offer assistance to the House committee to revise the memo.

“The Executive Branch stands ready to review any subsequent draft ... for declassification at the earliest opportunity,” McGahn said.

MORE: TRUMP BLOCKS DEM MEMO
I first heard it on CNN. Sounds like a snow job to me! We'll see...

Very shady.

Yes, the Democrats should not put classified information in their screeds.

Have you seen it?

I've seen as much as you have. You seem to think Trump is hiding something, I choose to think they put things in they knew could not be released.

FBI chief has 'grave concerns,' clashes with Trump over GOP memo - CNNPolitics
 
Trump Blocks Release Of Democrats’ Rebuttal To GOP FISA Memo

The House Intelligence Committee voted to release the Democrats’ memo on Monday.


WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump blocked the release of a memo written by Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee as a rebuttal to allegations from their Republican counterparts that the FBI abused surveillance laws to improperly spy on the Trump campaign.

In a letter to the House Intelligence Committee on Friday, White House counsel Don McGahn said that while the president is “inclined” to declassify the memo, he will not “at this time” due to it containing “numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages.”

McGahn said Trump has directed the Justice Department to offer assistance to the House committee to revise the memo.

“The Executive Branch stands ready to review any subsequent draft ... for declassification at the earliest opportunity,” McGahn said.

MORE: TRUMP BLOCKS DEM MEMO
I first heard it on CNN. Sounds like a snow job to me! We'll see...

Very shady.

Yes, the Democrats should not put classified information in their screeds.

You were good when Republicans did it though right?

When did they do that?
 
Trump Blocks Release Of Democrats’ Rebuttal To GOP FISA Memo

The House Intelligence Committee voted to release the Democrats’ memo on Monday.


WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump blocked the release of a memo written by Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee as a rebuttal to allegations from their Republican counterparts that the FBI abused surveillance laws to improperly spy on the Trump campaign.

In a letter to the House Intelligence Committee on Friday, White House counsel Don McGahn said that while the president is “inclined” to declassify the memo, he will not “at this time” due to it containing “numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages.”

McGahn said Trump has directed the Justice Department to offer assistance to the House committee to revise the memo.

“The Executive Branch stands ready to review any subsequent draft ... for declassification at the earliest opportunity,” McGahn said.

MORE: TRUMP BLOCKS DEM MEMO
I first heard it on CNN. Sounds like a snow job to me! We'll see...

Very shady.

Yes, the Democrats should not put classified information in their screeds.

Have you seen it?

I've seen as much as you have. You seem to think Trump is hiding something, I choose to think they put things in they knew could not be released.

FBI chief has 'grave concerns,' clashes with Trump over GOP memo - CNNPolitics
You do realize we were talking about the democrat memo and not the Republican summary, right?
 
Trump Blocks Release Of Democrats’ Rebuttal To GOP FISA Memo

The House Intelligence Committee voted to release the Democrats’ memo on Monday.


WASHINGTON ― President Donald Trump blocked the release of a memo written by Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee as a rebuttal to allegations from their Republican counterparts that the FBI abused surveillance laws to improperly spy on the Trump campaign.

In a letter to the House Intelligence Committee on Friday, White House counsel Don McGahn said that while the president is “inclined” to declassify the memo, he will not “at this time” due to it containing “numerous properly classified and especially sensitive passages.”

McGahn said Trump has directed the Justice Department to offer assistance to the House committee to revise the memo.

“The Executive Branch stands ready to review any subsequent draft ... for declassification at the earliest opportunity,” McGahn said.

MORE: TRUMP BLOCKS DEM MEMO
I first heard it on CNN. Sounds like a snow job to me! We'll see...

Very shady.

Yes, the Democrats should not put classified information in their screeds.

You were good when Republicans did it though right?

The whole idea that you put classified information in a document that you want to release is dumb, Democrats or Republicans.

The Democrats knew it would get delayed and it is a political move and their base lined up and followed along.
 

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