Trump's taxes to be released to the public just like every President since Nixon

[Tom Paine 1949]

The Nordic countries, with their deep social-democratic traditions, have some good ideas ….

Sweden:

In Sweden, a single anonymous telephone call to the tax authority is enough to find out what someone has paid. Almost all income tax details are public and Swedish tabloids often publish lists of the highest earners in different neighborhoods, and who paid the most tax each year.

These policies are rooted in cultural traditions. The Swedish concept of the “law of jante”, which means no one is special or should stand out, underscores how individuals can threaten the Nordic region’s core collectivism.

In Sweden, whose system of cradle-to-grave welfare paid for by high taxes relies on voters’ faith in its fairness, the tax agency consistently polls as the most respected state institution.

Norway:

Norway has published tax returns since 1863, when they were posted on town hall walls….

Worries that anonymous enquiries could be used to tip off burglars have prompted a tightening of the rules…. Since Norway’s right-wing government took office in 2013 … anyone whose name is targeted is now informed about who is searching.

That has led to a tumble in the number of searches of tax records, to 2.15 million since the last batch became available in October from 16.5 million in the 12 months to October 2014, the last year the system was anonymous.

Denmark:

Ironically, Denmark -- where tax records are not public -- is the one Scandinavian country where politicians’ taxes have caused controversy. Then Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt was forced to admit in 2010 she had made “big and sloppy mistakes” when records were published by a tabloid showing she was not eligible to tax deductions…

Privacy, what privacy? Many Nordic tax records are a phone call away [emphasis mine]

 

[Delldude]

That's the stupidest thing you've said in a while. Tax returns are documents that are prepared and turned over to the government. You're literally arguing that the government can't look at documents that have been turned over to the government.

Yes, yes they can.

Remember, you're clueless. It tends to hamper your legal arguments.

It's the part where the dems are going to release private documents that is the problem.

 

[bripat9643]

That's the stupidest thing you've said in a while. Tax returns are documents that are prepared and turned over to the government. You're literally arguing that the government can't look at documents that have been turned over to the government.

Yes, yes they can.

Remember, you're clueless. It tends to hamper your legal arguments.

The IRS can look at them, but no one else can. Furthermore, your 1040 is where the IRS forces you to rat on yourself. It's unconstitutional.

 

[Skylar]

The IRS can look at them, but no one else can. Furthermore, your 1040 is where the IRS forces you to rat on yourself. It's unconstitutional.

The 4th amendment doesn't say this. Again, tax returns are in the possession of the government. The Ways and Means Committee didn't demand tax returns from Trump. They demanded them from the government.

There's no search of Trump, his home, his person. A 4th amendment violation isn't even possible.

Even Trump's attorney's didn't try arguing your piece of pseudo-legal gibberish.

 

[bripat9643]

The 4th amendment doesn't say this. Again, tax returns are in the possession of the government. The Ways and Means Committee didn't demand tax returns from Trump. They demanded them from the government.

There's no search of Trump, his home, his person. A 4th amendment violation isn't even possible.

Even Trump's attorney's didn't try arguing your piece of pseudo-legal gibberish.

Tax returns are where the government forces you to testify against yourself. They violate the 5th Amendment.

Whether they argue it or not, many legal scholars have pointed the contradiction between the 5th Amendment and the IRS code.

I could care less whether you accept it.

 

[Skylar]

Tax returns are where the government forces you to testify against yourself. They violate the 5th Amendment.

Says you, citing you. Your argument is, as always, that you alone are the Supreme legal authority that trumps all courts or legislatures.

You are, of course, nobody.

The courts have never found that tax returns are a violation of the 5th amendment. That's just you, citing you. The IRS has already dismantled your latest pseudo-legal gibberish:

Anti-tax law evasion schemes - Law and arguments (Section IV) | Internal Revenue Service

Anti-Tax Law Evasion Schemes - Law and Arguments (Section IV)

www.irs.gov

"There is no constitutional right to refuse to file an income tax return on the ground that it violates the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. In United States v. Sullivan, 274 U.S. 259, 264 (1927), the U.S. Supreme Court stated that the taxpayer "could not draw a conjurer's circle around the whole matter by his own declaration that to write any word upon the government blank would bring him into danger of the law.""

Time to ignore the Supreme Court again and insist that you are the law

Try again, Judge Dredd.

 

[CowboyTed]

They're none of your fucking business.

Weren't your business for those other presidents either, regardless of what they did.

So we shouldn't know if a US President has received and continues getting money from a Company, Lobby or Foreign Country...

Because it is none of 'your fucking business'... Well if I employed someone and they are taking money or gifts from interested parties it is usually banned... Suppliers van't just buy you a car or your competitor putting $50k into your bank account...

What world do you live in?

 

[CowboyTed]

If Obamas college records have nothing to expose, why did he have then sealed?

Here's something, it's not a requirement for a president to release their taxes, the reasons for trump not wanting them released, we don't know. We've not had a president who has as many world wide business interests as Trump. Either way, he has no obligation to release them, and the people have no entitlement to see them. Just because you hate him and want to see them so you can try and find juicy information is no reason to release them, and you are not entitled to them.

It could very well be that he didn't want to release them because that could have jeopardized business relations, and releasing them could have hurt his business dealings, granted, that fact likely makes liberals giddy.

What law allows congress to release taxes to the public? can someone please post the law that gives congress the authority to release to the public, someone's personal information? Also, read tax code 6103, ALL of it, not just the part you want to see. You'll see that congress just broke tax law...but it's not like anyone will do anything about it..

What "public interest" is served by releasing them? As of yet, trump hasn't been convicted of any crimes related to his taxes. Dems have been after his taxes for years and all this is, is their desire to have his taxes out in the open, nothing more.

President Trump Cannot Hide His Tax Returns From Congress

Congress must request the president’s tax returns to understand his murky finances; monitor potential conflicts of interest relevant to national security and other critical issues; and oversee the tax code and IRS.

www.americanprogress.org

"
Congress has multiple reasons to obtain and review President Trump’s tax returns—reasons that are not only legitimate uses of its legislative powers, but also urgently needed, including:

1. To determine if U.S. national security is at risk of being compromised by the president’s financial conflicts of interest
2. To determine if Trump has conflicts of interests bearing on his trade and tariffs policies
3. To determine whether the president is violating the U.S. Constitution by receiving benefits from foreign countries without Congress’ consent
4. To determine whether he is benefiting from his tax policies despite his many public assertions to the contrary
5. To determine whether the IRS is adequately auditing the president
6. To inform the consideration of additional disclosure requirements for candidates and officeholders"

"
The tax code provides that Congress’ tax committees—including the House Committee on Ways and Means, the Senate Committee on Finance, and the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT)—are entitled to obtain any tax returns from the IRS that they request.3 Section 6103(f)(1) of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC) reads:

Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary [of the Treasury] shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.4

"

Do you

 

[bripat9643]

Says you, citing you. Your argument is, as always, that you alone are the Supreme legal authority that trumps all courts or legislatures.

You are, of course, nobody.

The courts have never found that tax returns are a violation of the 5th amendment. That's just you, citing you. The IRS has already dismantled your latest pseudo-legal gibberish:

Anti-tax law evasion schemes - Law and arguments (Section IV) | Internal Revenue Service

Anti-Tax Law Evasion Schemes - Law and Arguments (Section IV)

www.irs.gov

"There is no constitutional right to refuse to file an income tax return on the ground that it violates the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. In United States v. Sullivan, 274 U.S. 259, 264 (1927), the U.S. Supreme Court stated that the taxpayer "could not draw a conjurer's circle around the whole matter by his own declaration that to write any word upon the government blank would bring him into danger of the law.""

Time to ignore the Supreme Court again and insist that you are the law

Try again, Judge Dredd.

Says facts and logic. I'm not going to argue with your about those. People who believe in freedom know where I stand on this matter.

 

[bripat9643]

President Trump Cannot Hide His Tax Returns From Congress

Congress must request the president’s tax returns to understand his murky finances; monitor potential conflicts of interest relevant to national security and other critical issues; and oversee the tax code and IRS.

www.americanprogress.org

"
Congress has multiple reasons to obtain and review President Trump’s tax returns—reasons that are not only legitimate uses of its legislative powers, but also urgently needed, including:

1. To determine if U.S. national security is at risk of being compromised by the president’s financial conflicts of interest
2. To determine if Trump has conflicts of interests bearing on his trade and tariffs policies
3. To determine whether the president is violating the U.S. Constitution by receiving benefits from foreign countries without Congress’ consent
4. To determine whether he is benefiting from his tax policies despite his many public assertions to the contrary
5. To determine whether the IRS is adequately auditing the president
6. To inform the consideration of additional disclosure requirements for candidates and officeholders"

"
The tax code provides that Congress’ tax committees—including the House Committee on Ways and Means, the Senate Committee on Finance, and the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT)—are entitled to obtain any tax returns from the IRS that they request.3 Section 6103(f)(1) of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC) reads:


"

Do you

If Congress wants to look at a president's tax return, let it pass a law saying so. Don't try to justify if after the fact. That's what douchebags do.

 

[bripat9643]

So we shouldn't know if a US President has received and continues getting money from a Company, Lobby or Foreign Country...

Because it is none of 'your fucking business'... Well if I employed someone and they are taking money or gifts from interested parties it is usually banned... Suppliers van't just buy you a car or your competitor putting $50k into your bank account...

What world do you live in?

You mean government suppliers. What about TESLA?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Says facts and logic. I'm not going to argue with your about those. People who believe in freedom know where I stand on this matter.

People who believe in freedom (and facts) … know you are one of biggest assholes on USMB.

 

[bripat9643]

People who believe in freedom (and facts) … know you are one of biggest assholes on USMB.

True, because I tell the truth and I don't sugarcoat it. I'm not here to be liked by leftwing douchebags like you.

 

[Skylar]

Says facts and logic. I'm not going to argue with your about those. People who believe in freedom know where I stand on this matter.

No, dude....you're citing yourself as the supreme legal authority again....insisting that you override the Supreme Court, the law and all caselaw.

You don't.

Again, the Supreme Court has explicitly contradicted your 5th amendment claims. And a 4th amendment violation isn't even possible as the Ways and Means Committee didn't search Trump, his person, his home, anything.

They called on the government to turnover documents in the possession of the government.

This is why even Trump's lawyers never argued your dogshit 5th or 4th amendment gibberish. You simply don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Skylar]

People who believe in freedom (and facts) … know you are one of biggest assholes on USMB.

He's just desperate. Most conservative legal arguments are little more than the Judge Dredd "I AM THE LAW" nonsense......where they insist that any meaningless pseudo-legal gibberish they can make up somehow trumps the law and the judiciary.

Its not a legal argument. Its an excuse for one.

 

[lantern2814]

People who believe in freedom (and facts) … know you are one of biggest assholes on USMB.

And you’re right there too asshole. There is no right for ANYBODY in the public to see Trump’s tax returns. Period. Per the law. Now to stop your buddy Skylar and make you both look stupid....

Tax Return Confidentiality and Disclosure Laws - FindLaw

Federal and state tax returns are considered confidential and protected by federal law, as is other information pertaining to an individual's taxes. But there are disclosure laws that provide exceptions. Learn about tax return confidentiality and more at FindLaw's section on Federal Taxes.

www.findlaw.com

Before you even start, by law that committee is still bound to follow the law. Meaning there will be problems for these morons.

 

[Skylar]

And you’re right there too asshole. There is no right for ANYBODY in the public to see Trump’s tax returns. Period. Per the law. Now to stop your buddy Skylar and make you both look stupid....

Tax Return Confidentiality and Disclosure Laws - FindLaw

Federal and state tax returns are considered confidential and protected by federal law, as is other information pertaining to an individual's taxes. But there are disclosure laws that provide exceptions. Learn about tax return confidentiality and more at FindLaw's section on Federal Taxes.

www.findlaw.com

Before you even start, by law that committee is still bound to follow the law. Meaning there will be problems for these morons.

There is once they've been released publicly.

 

[lantern2814]

There is once they've been released publicly.

There’s that pesky problem of the fact that they haven’t been. You have yet to cite ANY court declaring that Trump’s tax returns can be released to the public.

 

[Skylar]

There’s that pesky problem of the fact that they haven’t been. You have yet to cite ANY court declaring that Trump’s tax returns can be released to the public.

Laughing.....

"The Trump Parties insist that the Request imposes too great a burden because it threatens to expose private financial information of the Trump Parties and will deny the Trump Parties their due process rights by interfering with an ongoing audit. These certainly are burdens on the Trump Parties. As discussed above, should the Committee find it necessary, it is possible that the information turned over to the Chairman might be made public. This is certainly inconvenient, but not to the extent that it represents an unconstitutional burden violating the separation of powers. Congressional investigations sometimes expose the private information of the entities, organizations, and individuals that they investigate. This does not make them overly burdensome. It is the nature of the investigative and legislative processes."


Another swing-and-a-miss from good'ol Lantern!

 

[lantern2814]

Laughing.....

"The Trump Parties insist that the Request imposes too great a burden because it threatens to expose private financial information of the Trump Parties and will deny the Trump Parties their due process rights by interfering with an ongoing audit. These certainly are burdens on the Trump Parties. As discussed above, should the Committee find it necessary, it is possible that the information turned over to the Chairman might be made public. This is certainly inconvenient, but not to the extent that it represents an unconstitutional burden violating the separation of powers. Congressional investigations sometimes expose the private information of the entities, organizations, and individuals that they investigate. This does not make them overly burdensome. It is the nature of the investigative and legislative processes."


Another swing-and-a-miss from good'ol Lantern!

Wrong again asshole. By law, and their own rules, that committee must still adhere to the laws. Seems that you swung and missed again. As usual. Still waiting for that SCOTUS decision declaring Trump’s taxes public record.