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It is impossible because the people of China do not yet have sufficient wealth to much of what is made here. Our best way to narrow the deficit was our Ag, and now Trump has fucked that up.
Yes, but if manufacturing hadn't moved there, we would import far less also.
Not sure what people expect China to do, start taking boat loads of 50k F150's?
There is a lot of money in China now. They are not all rice farmers.
Wealth per capita in China does not even make the top 35 in the world.
China is under the word average in wealth per person.
It is getting better just like Japan did, but it takes time with that many people.
Yet they are the world's second largest economy, with plenty of money in there, to buy our products, if they want.
Why are you making excuses for them, dishonest excuses at that?
1.5 billion people with $6.00 doesn't buy much.
That is not a reason to do it, but a reason to stop doing it.
Meaningless reply.
The goal is mutually beneficial trade. Your position is that China is too poor to provide that to US. That this can only be one sided.
Then why did we even do it in the first place, and why should we continue?
(And just to not waste time, if your answer is that someday, down the line, they might have enough of our money to be less one sided in the trade, that is not good enough. ADDITIONAL DECADES of our workers being fucked, so that maybe someday they might be fucked less, is not a good reason.)
Because we benefit by having their cheap labor make thinks for us. Why is this so confusing for you?
Because only SOME of US benefit from having their cheap labor make the products for US. Plenty of US are fucked by that.
Why is this so confusing for you?
It's not. I don't disagree.
It is impossible because the people of China do not yet have sufficient wealth to much of what is made here. Our best way to narrow the deficit was our Ag, and now Trump has fucked that up.
Yes, but if manufacturing hadn't moved there, we would import far less also.
Not sure what people expect China to do, start taking boat loads of 50k F150's?
There is a lot of money in China now. They are not all rice farmers.
There is more money than before but still not the kind of money that is going to make importing items from here viable. If we want that to happen we have to quit attacking their ability to grow.
THat makes no sense. We have been fostering their growth massively for decades with ever larger trade surpluses.
The bulk of that goes to US corporations but you know that.
If mutually beneficial trade is off the table, because they are unable, or unwilling to do it, then we should not even be fucking around with them.
SHUT IT DOWN.
Tell that to the corporations, not me.
They did buy lots of food, before trump...It is impossible because the people of China do not yet have sufficient wealth to much of what is made here. Our best way to narrow the deficit was our Ag, and now Trump has fucked that up.
Yes, but if manufacturing hadn't moved there, we would import far less also.
Not sure what people expect China to do, start taking boat loads of 50k F150's?
There is a lot of money in China now. They are not all rice farmers.
Wealth per capita in China does not even make the top 35 in the world.
China is under the word average in wealth per person.
It is getting better just like Japan did, but it takes time with that many people.
Yet they are the world's second largest economy, with plenty of money in there, to buy our products, if they want.
Why are you making excuses for them, dishonest excuses at that?
Yet they are the world's second largest economy, with plenty of money in there, to buy our products, if they want.
Why are you making excuses for them, dishonest excuses at that?
Yes, but if manufacturing hadn't moved there, we would import far less also.
Not sure what people expect China to do, start taking boat loads of 50k F150's?
There is a lot of money in China now. They are not all rice farmers.
Wealth per capita in China does not even make the top 35 in the world.
China is under the word average in wealth per person.
It is getting better just like Japan did, but it takes time with that many people.
Yet they are the world's second largest economy, with plenty of money in there, to buy our products, if they want.
Why are you making excuses for them, dishonest excuses at that?
1.5 billion people with $6.00 doesn't buy much.
It does when that huge pile of wealth is not distributed evenly, and there are millions of rich people with plenty of disposable income.
And really, it doesn't matter why. If they cannot or will not engage is mutually beneficial trade, then there is no change of US benefiting,even FAIRLY, let alone WINNING, they why the fuck are we even engaging?
But the trade deficit exist due to individual shoppers.
With better trade policy, we can encourage American consumers to buy American, and nurture American employment and wages.
That is just a load of cow dung Correl.
Buy Americans when that hypocrite POTUS products are made in China.
Did you asked him how much his $34 neck tie cost if made in USA? I will answer it for you .... it’s around $75. Quantity of 2,500.
It is somewhat hypocritical of Trump to be the one leading this charge.
I still want those jobs and wages for Americans.
Why don't you?
cnm has admitted it is because he hates the Americans he thinks will mostly benefit, ie working class whites.
No dude. Since he is waging the war. He is the POTUS..... He should lead the country and stop being a lying hypocrite bastard.
You and Trump can not have it both ways.
So if trump makes his neck ties here... with $75 to produce by the the time it gets out its over $100. That is with $14 minimum wage with legal employees. This is a real live example. I’m sure you want to buy $100+ neck tie. CORREL.
Why not me? It’s impossible Correl. I can make them here no problem but it’s a heck of a move and a price to pay. My products will be so expensive to produce here in US. I might as well close the door and lay off people to save me money. Plus the ripple effect to my customers.
There are thousands and thousands of people like me that are doing business in China. See how much I ( or we ) hate that SOB?
Just imagine if all us come home and makes our products here. That will be so catastrophic for the entire America because of labor cost plus we cannot compete overseas.
I’m talking to you from the bottom of my heart with sincerity and honesty.
Let me give you another example. Medical catheters. These are the catheters that are used for the heart, urethra or arteries. It cost $150 to produce in China. We sell to hospitals here at $275 each and all over the world. It need highly skilled workers like micro biologists, technicians, lab workers in a clean room ISO 14644 for the assembly and packaging.
The same catheters will cost $420+ to produce that here in US. There is no way you can sell that catheters overseas. And way too expensive for the patients. If you think hospitals bills are high. Think again.
Old news; back in the 70s I was making vulcanised components for cars; an engine mount was in the order of thirty or so dollars for us to make. The same item from Japan that was much better quality to make was cents each. Had it not been for "use local" quotas there would have been hundreds of jobs gone at that plant. Mind you; the importers of such items from Japan, after excise, still made a killing. Their margins were huge but the quantity was what was needed above quota. (Oz)
Greg
Because only SOME of US benefit from having their cheap labor make the products for US. Plenty of US are fucked by that.
Why is this so confusing for you?
Yes, but if manufacturing hadn't moved there, we would import far less also.
Not sure what people expect China to do, start taking boat loads of 50k F150's?
There is a lot of money in China now. They are not all rice farmers.
There is more money than before but still not the kind of money that is going to make importing items from here viable. If we want that to happen we have to quit attacking their ability to grow.
THat makes no sense. We have been fostering their growth massively for decades with ever larger trade surpluses.
The bulk of that goes to US corporations but you know that.
If mutually beneficial trade is off the table, because they are unable, or unwilling to do it, then we should not even be fucking around with them.
SHUT IT DOWN.
Tell that to the corporations, not me.
1. I don't know that. I don't believe it to be true.
2. Corporations do not set trade policy, the government does. THey can certainly have influence, but if we want to change it, the government is who we have to change. Like we republicans did with Trump.
Yet they are the world's second largest economy, with plenty of money in there, to buy our products, if they want.
Why are you making excuses for them, dishonest excuses at that?
Individuals buy things, not the collective. That they have a lot of money spread out between 1 billion people does not give them a lot of buying power.
I am not making excuses, I am presenting the facts, those things you hate so much
There is a lot of money in China now. They are not all rice farmers.
Wealth per capita in China does not even make the top 35 in the world.
China is under the word average in wealth per person.
It is getting better just like Japan did, but it takes time with that many people.
Yet they are the world's second largest economy, with plenty of money in there, to buy our products, if they want.
Why are you making excuses for them, dishonest excuses at that?
1.5 billion people with $6.00 doesn't buy much.
It does when that huge pile of wealth is not distributed evenly, and there are millions of rich people with plenty of disposable income.
And really, it doesn't matter why. If they cannot or will not engage is mutually beneficial trade, then there is no change of US benefiting,even FAIRLY, let alone WINNING, they why the fuck are we even engaging?
Do I need to note this again? Business wants the cheap labor.
Yet they are the world's second largest economy, with plenty of money in there, to buy our products, if they want.
Why are you making excuses for them, dishonest excuses at that?
Individuals buy things, not the collective. That they have a lot of money spread out between 1 billion people does not give them a lot of buying power.
I am not making excuses, I am presenting the facts, those things you hate so much
Yes, it does. Especially as the money is not evenly spread out, as you well know.
You were certainly making a misleading excuse for them.
It is one thing if you honestly believe that our status quo trade policy is good for US.
It is another if you know it is bad for US, but support it anyways, for reasons that you won't admit to.
The act of making misleading, even dishonest excuses for China, strongly indicates that you are operating as a number two.
Wealth per capita in China does not even make the top 35 in the world.
China is under the word average in wealth per person.
It is getting better just like Japan did, but it takes time with that many people.
Yet they are the world's second largest economy, with plenty of money in there, to buy our products, if they want.
Why are you making excuses for them, dishonest excuses at that?
1.5 billion people with $6.00 doesn't buy much.
It does when that huge pile of wealth is not distributed evenly, and there are millions of rich people with plenty of disposable income.
And really, it doesn't matter why. If they cannot or will not engage is mutually beneficial trade, then there is no change of US benefiting,even FAIRLY, let alone WINNING, they why the fuck are we even engaging?
Do I need to note this again? Business wants the cheap labor.
That is why business supports the policy.
Why do you? Why do the rest of US go along with what is obviously not working out for US?
Because only SOME of US benefit from having their cheap labor make the products for US. Plenty of US are fucked by that.
Why is this so confusing for you?
The majority have benefited, the ones that have not, have not mostly because they refuse to change with the times.
Wealth per capita in China does not even make the top 35 in the world.
China is under the word average in wealth per person.
It is getting better just like Japan did, but it takes time with that many people.
Yet they are the world's second largest economy, with plenty of money in there, to buy our products, if they want.
Why are you making excuses for them, dishonest excuses at that?
1.5 billion people with $6.00 doesn't buy much.
It does when that huge pile of wealth is not distributed evenly, and there are millions of rich people with plenty of disposable income.
And really, it doesn't matter why. If they cannot or will not engage is mutually beneficial trade, then there is no change of US benefiting,even FAIRLY, let alone WINNING, they why the fuck are we even engaging?
Do I need to note this again? Business wants the cheap labor.
That is why business supports the policy.
Why do you? Why do the rest of US go along with what is obviously not working out for US?
There is a lot of money in China now. They are not all rice farmers.
There is more money than before but still not the kind of money that is going to make importing items from here viable. If we want that to happen we have to quit attacking their ability to grow.
THat makes no sense. We have been fostering their growth massively for decades with ever larger trade surpluses.
The bulk of that goes to US corporations but you know that.
If mutually beneficial trade is off the table, because they are unable, or unwilling to do it, then we should not even be fucking around with them.
SHUT IT DOWN.
Tell that to the corporations, not me.
1. I don't know that. I don't believe it to be true.
2. Corporations do not set trade policy, the government does. THey can certainly have influence, but if we want to change it, the government is who we have to change. Like we republicans did with Trump.
No you didn't.
Yet they are the world's second largest economy, with plenty of money in there, to buy our products, if they want.
Why are you making excuses for them, dishonest excuses at that?
Individuals buy things, not the collective. That they have a lot of money spread out between 1 billion people does not give them a lot of buying power.
I am not making excuses, I am presenting the facts, those things you hate so much
Yes, it does. Especially as the money is not evenly spread out, as you well know.
You were certainly making a misleading excuse for them.
It is one thing if you honestly believe that our status quo trade policy is good for US.
It is another if you know it is bad for US, but support it anyways, for reasons that you won't admit to.
The act of making misleading, even dishonest excuses for China, strongly indicates that you are operating as a number two.
I do not know it is bad for the US, I look around and see the most dominant nation on the planet that has set all sorts of economic records under the status quo.
I provide fact after fact, you provide nothing but talk.
Yet they are the world's second largest economy, with plenty of money in there, to buy our products, if they want.
Why are you making excuses for them, dishonest excuses at that?
1.5 billion people with $6.00 doesn't buy much.
It does when that huge pile of wealth is not distributed evenly, and there are millions of rich people with plenty of disposable income.
And really, it doesn't matter why. If they cannot or will not engage is mutually beneficial trade, then there is no change of US benefiting,even FAIRLY, let alone WINNING, they why the fuck are we even engaging?
Do I need to note this again? Business wants the cheap labor.
That is why business supports the policy.
Why do you? Why do the rest of US go along with what is obviously not working out for US?
Sub 4% unemployment....
122 months straight economic expansion...a record for this nation
110 plus straight months of positive job growth...a record for this nation
yet you pretend we as a nation are doing terribly.
Yet they are the world's second largest economy, with plenty of money in there, to buy our products, if they want.
Why are you making excuses for them, dishonest excuses at that?
1.5 billion people with $6.00 doesn't buy much.
It does when that huge pile of wealth is not distributed evenly, and there are millions of rich people with plenty of disposable income.
And really, it doesn't matter why. If they cannot or will not engage is mutually beneficial trade, then there is no change of US benefiting,even FAIRLY, let alone WINNING, they why the fuck are we even engaging?
Do I need to note this again? Business wants the cheap labor.
That is why business supports the policy.
Why do you? Why do the rest of US go along with what is obviously not working out for US?
Nothing I can do. When someone wants to actually address the issue, I'll listen to them.
Everyone is happy Spineless Globalist Obama and Clinton are not selling us out to countries like China, while Trump is taking back ground Globalists like Obama Bin Lying and Bill Rotten Clinton were giving up to our economic enemies.
