Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[danielpalos]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial
President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

Immigrants aren't the problem; they never were.
Crony-capitalists getting rich from wars and the "magic of compound interest blame immigrants to distract from their own crimes.

"Consumer demand[edit]

"Economic activity produced by illegal immigrant spending employs about 5% of the total US workforce. Illegal immigrants occupy over 3 million dwellings, or just under 4% of the total number of homes in the US. UCLA research indicates immigrants produce $150 billion of economic activity equivalent to spending stimulus every year.

"The advantages of illegal migration tend mostly to be on the side of the employer.

"An employer will benefit from the illegal status of a migrant who is desperate for work and therefore prepared to accept poor pay, usually below local norms. Hiring an illegal worker also brings the employer the advantage of paying less in the way of welfare contributions and other non-wage costs.[26]

Economic impact of illegal immigrants in the United States - Wikipedia

"Nearly every dollar earned by illegal immigrants is spent immediately, and the average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour with an average of 34 hours per week. This means that approximately 8 million US jobs are dependent upon economic activity produced by illegal immigrant activities within the US.[27"

The right wing loves their socialism on an national basis. They do not believe their socialism is just plain "bloatware" because it is for their nationalism.

 

[Wry Catcher]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

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It is no wonder you are brainwashed, reading unabashed propaganda, such as the National Economics Editorial, But do not expect any educated person to believe the facts and figures of a self described independent (LOL) intellectual (LOL) with a focus on applied philosophy (?), empirical history (?), and practical economics (?), as does the Editor-In-Chief of the National Economics Editorial.

 

[Wyatt earp]

It's called working under the table..


And how much those apples will cost? The same price as a Big Mac if we raise the minimum wage nationaly, what the fuck is wrong with your type anyways?

You defend artificaly raising the minimum wage and are entirely against letting the market decide wages after kicking out illegal immigrants who shouldn't belong here under cutting American jobs in the first place.

Letting the market decide is free choice to company's.. Either raise wages or no one will work for you..

Forcing companies to raise wages if they can afford it or not is fucking stupid and retarded.

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Working under the table doesn't hide the cost of the labor.
You analogy of using the minimum wage increase is not the same than paying you $25/hour. The minimum wage doesn't jump from $10 to $16 in one day. People at McDonald's do not make $16.
What made you think farmers can afford all his laborers to pay $25/hour?

And if you remove all these illegals from ----- let say agricultural jobs ------ Who will take over those jobs?
You are so worried foreigners taking over jobs and yet you have Trump hiring foreigners paying $10.20/hour.

They can afford it the same way some McDonald's and Walmart's were paying $17 bucks an hour in the Dakotas


God you refuse to get supply and demand.


Right now illegals take those jobs becau6no one else wants to get paid that little, you remove the supply of labor .....wages always go up what's so complicated to understand?

How much do you think should those kind of agricultural jobs get paid? 25$?
I know couple of business owners here to in Ca that own McDonald's franchises and none are making $16 except shift managers.
What made you think I don't recognized/refused ------ supply and demands? That is what I do for a living but I refuse to believe and believe:
1. Most Americans will not take over those jobs even if you raised it to a reasonable $18.
2. You don't just wake up and suddenly you want to work in those kind of hard dirty labor. If you are not born to do this kind of jobs you will not last and probably quit the same or the next day. That's been proven over and over. I believed you are physically tough but not all Americans are like you.
3. if you have kids ------ are you going to give up your welfare checks and work for $18 to $20?
Then pay babysitter.
4. Even if you find Americans that are willing to work in those kind environments. I'm very sure it's not in millions.
5. Now -------- What are you going to do if those illegals are gone? Shut down the agricultural business?
6. Definitely all prices will also go up from food to other services. Are you speaking for the rest of poor Americans that are trying to get by?

Why One Walmart in North Dakota Is Paying $17.40 an Hour

• Philip Wegmann

3 years ago

Photo: Spencer Platt/Getty Images

A Walmart store in Williston, N.D., is offering to pay entry-level workers as much as $17.40 per hour—nearly 2½ times the federal minimum wage—in an effort to compete in one of America’s most dynamic labor markets.

The push for a “living wage” has gained momentum in cities such as Seattle recently. But the historic oil boom in North Dakota has provided real, sustained growth in wages and lowered unemployment in North Dakota to 2.6 percent—the lowest statewide rate in the nation—and to less than 1 percent in Williston, which is near the oil fields in the western part of the state.
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For your post #363 & 364.

You are totally lost in the jungle dude. Big time. This just show how a ignorant you are.
Tell me what is so hard working at McDonald's or Walmart inside an air conditioned building compared to working at ------- convalescence home, home care, agricultural farm at 100+° , slaughter house etc etc etc? Tell me.

On top of that you did not even answer every single questions I asked you.

All you did was deflect and could never figure out supply and demand.

Got bored of you....



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[Wyatt earp]

Working under the table doesn't hide the cost of the labor.
You analogy of using the minimum wage increase is not the same than paying you $25/hour. The minimum wage doesn't jump from $10 to $16 in one day. People at McDonald's do not make $16.
What made you think farmers can afford all his laborers to pay $25/hour?

And if you remove all these illegals from ----- let say agricultural jobs ------ Who will take over those jobs?
You are so worried foreigners taking over jobs and yet you have Trump hiring foreigners paying $10.20/hour.

They can afford it the same way some McDonald's and Walmart's were paying $17 bucks an hour in the Dakotas


God you refuse to get supply and demand.


Right now illegals take those jobs becau6no one else wants to get paid that little, you remove the supply of labor .....wages always go up what's so complicated to understand?

How much do you think should those kind of agricultural jobs get paid? 25$?
I know couple of business owners here to in Ca that own McDonald's franchises and none are making $16 except shift managers.
What made you think I don't recognized/refused ------ supply and demands? That is what I do for a living but I refuse to believe and believe:
1. Most Americans will not take over those jobs even if you raised it to a reasonable $18.
2. You don't just wake up and suddenly you want to work in those kind of hard dirty labor. If you are not born to do this kind of jobs you will not last and probably quit the same or the next day. That's been proven over and over. I believed you are physically tough but not all Americans are like you.
3. if you have kids ------ are you going to give up your welfare checks and work for $18 to $20?
Then pay babysitter.
4. Even if you find Americans that are willing to work in those kind environments. I'm very sure it's not in millions.
5. Now -------- What are you going to do if those illegals are gone? Shut down the agricultural business?
6. Definitely all prices will also go up from food to other services. Are you speaking for the rest of poor Americans that are trying to get by?

Why One Walmart in North Dakota Is Paying $17.40 an Hour

• Philip Wegmann

3 years ago

Photo: Spencer Platt/Getty Images

A Walmart store in Williston, N.D., is offering to pay entry-level workers as much as $17.40 per hour—nearly 2½ times the federal minimum wage—in an effort to compete in one of America’s most dynamic labor markets.

The push for a “living wage” has gained momentum in cities such as Seattle recently. But the historic oil boom in North Dakota has provided real, sustained growth in wages and lowered unemployment in North Dakota to 2.6 percent—the lowest statewide rate in the nation—and to less than 1 percent in Williston, which is near the oil fields in the western part of the state.


://www.google.com/amp/dailysignal.com/2014/06/10/drilling-innovation-forcing-walmart-north-dakota-pay-17-40-hour/amp/

Again it's simple economics 101 you get rid of 20 million illegals wages
Will go up...


McDonald’s Signing Bonuses: North Dakota Outlet Offering $300 To Potential Hires

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What I'm telling you are the facts and reality in life ------ No bullshit.
What you are telling me are just pure nonsense and just plain tough shit ------- Bullshit.

Let me dissect the anomaly of your anally constipated economy 101. These illegals mostly works for agricultural, meat and poultry, garments, home care, convalescence home, cleaning etc etc etc with low paying jobs. Not in the corporate world.
1. As an example----------- Restaurants using your $25 estimate. In order to entice my fellow Americans to work as a bus boy, dish washer, janitor, cook at a restaurant you want them to get paid from $8 to $25. Most likely hostess and waitresses will be asking for $25/hour wages also. Since the prices of meat, chicken and vegetables went skyrocketed------ you also increased the labor of the restaurant workers overnight to $25.
How much do you think the price increase of those menus? How many customers do you think can afford to go to these restaurants? Are these restaurants gaining more customers or less? What do you think will happen to the restaurants enterprises?
2. Since food and other consumables went up because of your policy -------- Do you think car repairs, airlines, home care, beauty shops and other services will stay the same or go up? What do you think will happen to people like you who has fix income?
In short your just fucked up the economy.

Anything else tough guy?

Yet you don't think that would happen raising the minimum wage don't you dumb ass?


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[Wry Catcher]

We spend $200 Billion a year fighting The Mexican Drug Cartels and Illegal Immigrants.

Build the damn wall and we actually save money.

Better yet, decriminalize drugs of abuse, which will:

• reduce an over crowed prison/jail system,
• reduce the cost of enforcement of the failed war on drugs
• reduce court costs
• reduce crime now supporting drug use
• eliminate a multi billion dollar black market
• reduce medical costs for OD's and STD's

Q. What are the annual costs to treat alcohol abuse and the use of tobacco

 

[The Original Tree]

We spend $200 Billion a year fighting The Mexican Drug Cartels and Illegal Immigrants.

Build the damn wall and we actually save money.

Better yet, decriminalize drugs of abuse, which will:

• reduce an over crowed prison/jail system,
• reduce the cost of enforcement of the failed war on drugs
• reduce court costs
• reduce crime now supporting drug use
• eliminate a multi billion dollar black market
• reduce medical costs for OD's and STD's

Q. What are the annual costs to treat alcohol abuse and the use of tobacco

I would only be for decriminalizing Marijuana & Alcohol.

 

[oldsoul]

In case you don't know... the intelligence committee has stated it's not just conjecture anymore with Trump's treasonous acts with Russia... they have solid evidence.

And here it is, about a week and a half later. Where is this "solid evidence" you speak of?

Remember this post when the sky comes crashing down on Trump and you deplorables.

In case you didn't know, taking down Trump (removing him from office), would put Pence in. Remove him and you get Paul Ryan. So, are you going to take all three of them down? Well then you end up with Orrin Hatch. Take him down and the list continues: Secretary of State, Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of Defense, Attorney General, Secretary of the Interior, Secretary of Agriculture, Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of Labor, Secretary of Health and Human Services, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Secretary of Transportation, Secretary of Energy, Secretary of Education, Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Secretary of Homeland Security.

How far down the list do we would need to go to get a person who is acceptable to you?

Anyone in favor of removing Trump, for whatever reason, should make themselves familiar with the following before going any further in advocating such action:
Presidential Succession Act - Wikipedia
And make sure that you can make the case to go as far as it takes to get someone you "approve of", otherwise it's a waste of time, and an undermining of the Republic for no, or little, good reason.

 

[Wry Catcher]

We spend $200 Billion a year fighting The Mexican Drug Cartels and Illegal Immigrants.

Build the damn wall and we actually save money.

Better yet, decriminalize drugs of abuse, which will:

• reduce an over crowed prison/jail system,
• reduce the cost of enforcement of the failed war on drugs
• reduce court costs
• reduce crime now supporting drug use
• eliminate a multi billion dollar black market
• reduce medical costs for OD's and STD's

Q. What are the annual costs to treat alcohol abuse and the use of tobacco

I would only be for decriminalizing Marijuana & Alcohol.

Alcohol is already, and it is regulated. Marijuana remains illegal - it is a schedule I drug - and is an example of why the war on drugs is such an economic boondoggle.

Can other drugs of abuse be medically supervised and prescribed? Read this link below, and you decide. Keep in mind the War on Drugs is an on going and expensive failure:

British System of Drug-Addiction Treatment - Dictionary definition of British System of Drug-Addiction Treatment | Encyclopedia.com: FREE online dictionary

 

[Wry Catcher]

In case you don't know... the intelligence committee has stated it's not just conjecture anymore with Trump's treasonous acts with Russia... they have solid evidence.

And here it is, about a week and a half later. Where is this "solid evidence" you speak of?

Remember this post when the sky comes crashing down on Trump and you deplorables.

In case you didn't know, taking down Trump (removing him from office), would put Pence in. Remove him and you get Paul Ryan. So, are you going to take all three of them down? Well then you end up with Orrin Hatch. Take him down and the list continues: Secretary of State, Secretary of the Treasury, Secretary of Defense, Attorney General, Secretary of the Interior, Secretary of Agriculture, Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of Labor, Secretary of Health and Human Services, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Secretary of Transportation, Secretary of Energy, Secretary of Education, Secretary of Veterans Affairs, Secretary of Homeland Security.

How far down the list do we would need to go to get a person who is acceptable to you?

Anyone in favor of removing Trump, for whatever reason, should make themselves familiar with the following before going any further in advocating such action:
Presidential Succession Act - Wikipedia
And make sure that you can make the case to go as far as it takes to get someone you "approve of", otherwise it's a waste of time, and an undermining of the Republic for no, or little, good reason.

Trump is incompetent, compulsive, a megalomaniac, a narcissist, and a charlatan. Pence is a magic Christian, aka, likely to ignore the limits of government set in the First Amendment. But, he is not all of the above, and would likely replace the obsequious ideologues Trump nominated for his cabinet and the senate confirmed by partisan vote.

Pence is a professional pol, and understands the process; something else in which Trump is deficient.

 

[Wyatt earp]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial
President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

Immigrants aren't the problem; they never were.
Crony-capitalists getting rich from wars and the "magic of compound interest blame immigrants to distract from their own crimes.

"Consumer demand[edit]

"Economic activity produced by illegal immigrant spending employs about 5% of the total US workforce. Illegal immigrants occupy over 3 million dwellings, or just under 4% of the total number of homes in the US. UCLA research indicates immigrants produce $150 billion of economic activity equivalent to spending stimulus every year.

"The advantages of illegal migration tend mostly to be on the side of the employer.

"An employer will benefit from the illegal status of a migrant who is desperate for work and therefore prepared to accept poor pay, usually below local norms. Hiring an illegal worker also brings the employer the advantage of paying less in the way of welfare contributions and other non-wage costs.[26]

Economic impact of illegal immigrants in the United States - Wikipedia

"Nearly every dollar earned by illegal immigrants is spent immediately, and the average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour with an average of 34 hours per week. This means that approximately 8 million US jobs are dependent upon economic activity produced by illegal immigrant activities within the US.[27"

The average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour


Looks like idiots are still editing wiki with fake news/information ,, the average wage is around $22 bucks an hour, 44 grand a year

This is what the average American made last year

 

[edward37]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial
President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

Immigrants aren't the problem; they never were.
Crony-capitalists getting rich from wars and the "magic of compound interest blame immigrants to distract from their own crimes.

"Consumer demand[edit]

"Economic activity produced by illegal immigrant spending employs about 5% of the total US workforce. Illegal immigrants occupy over 3 million dwellings, or just under 4% of the total number of homes in the US. UCLA research indicates immigrants produce $150 billion of economic activity equivalent to spending stimulus every year.

"The advantages of illegal migration tend mostly to be on the side of the employer.

"An employer will benefit from the illegal status of a migrant who is desperate for work and therefore prepared to accept poor pay, usually below local norms. Hiring an illegal worker also brings the employer the advantage of paying less in the way of welfare contributions and other non-wage costs.[26]

Economic impact of illegal immigrants in the United States - Wikipedia

"Nearly every dollar earned by illegal immigrants is spent immediately, and the average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour with an average of 34 hours per week. This means that approximately 8 million US jobs are dependent upon economic activity produced by illegal immigrant activities within the US.[27"

The average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour


Looks like idiots are still editing wiki with fake news/information ,, the average wage is around $22 bucks an hour, 44 grand a year

This is what the average American made last year

Why is it so difficult for republicans to raise minimum wage??

 

[Wyatt earp]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial
President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

Immigrants aren't the problem; they never were.
Crony-capitalists getting rich from wars and the "magic of compound interest blame immigrants to distract from their own crimes.

"Consumer demand[edit]

"Economic activity produced by illegal immigrant spending employs about 5% of the total US workforce. Illegal immigrants occupy over 3 million dwellings, or just under 4% of the total number of homes in the US. UCLA research indicates immigrants produce $150 billion of economic activity equivalent to spending stimulus every year.

"The advantages of illegal migration tend mostly to be on the side of the employer.

"An employer will benefit from the illegal status of a migrant who is desperate for work and therefore prepared to accept poor pay, usually below local norms. Hiring an illegal worker also brings the employer the advantage of paying less in the way of welfare contributions and other non-wage costs.[26]

Economic impact of illegal immigrants in the United States - Wikipedia

"Nearly every dollar earned by illegal immigrants is spent immediately, and the average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour with an average of 34 hours per week. This means that approximately 8 million US jobs are dependent upon economic activity produced by illegal immigrant activities within the US.[27"

The average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour


Looks like idiots are still editing wiki with fake news/information ,, the average wage is around $22 bucks an hour, 44 grand a year

This is what the average American made last year

Why is it so difficult for republicans to raise minimum wage??

Why do you want to raise it national? We have no problem with it being raised by the states and locally which is being done ..

Again $25 bucks an hour in New York City is like making $5 bucks an hour in Alabama.

 

[Aries]

To look at the wealth inequality in America and blame it on the guy picking fruit is beyond ridiculous.
The article Bripat provided is ridiculous as it cites paying for things that undocumented people DO NOT have access to.
Our entire nation was created on immigration. If you are not Native American, YOU come from an immigrant.
Your immigrant ancestors showed up poor, dirty, and tired on our shores and we welcomed them with open arms.
A path to citizenship, one that doesn't take decades, is the American way.

 

[edward37]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial
President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

Immigrants aren't the problem; they never were.
Crony-capitalists getting rich from wars and the "magic of compound interest blame immigrants to distract from their own crimes.

"Consumer demand[edit]

"Economic activity produced by illegal immigrant spending employs about 5% of the total US workforce. Illegal immigrants occupy over 3 million dwellings, or just under 4% of the total number of homes in the US. UCLA research indicates immigrants produce $150 billion of economic activity equivalent to spending stimulus every year.

"The advantages of illegal migration tend mostly to be on the side of the employer.

"An employer will benefit from the illegal status of a migrant who is desperate for work and therefore prepared to accept poor pay, usually below local norms. Hiring an illegal worker also brings the employer the advantage of paying less in the way of welfare contributions and other non-wage costs.[26]

Economic impact of illegal immigrants in the United States - Wikipedia

"Nearly every dollar earned by illegal immigrants is spent immediately, and the average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour with an average of 34 hours per week. This means that approximately 8 million US jobs are dependent upon economic activity produced by illegal immigrant activities within the US.[27"

The average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour


Looks like idiots are still editing wiki with fake news/information ,, the average wage is around $22 bucks an hour, 44 grand a year

This is what the average American made last year

Why is it so difficult for republicans to raise minimum wage??

Why do you want to raise it national? We have no problem with it being raised by the states and locally which is being done ..

Again $25 bucks an hour in New York City is like making $5 bucks an hour in Alabama.

Think you overestimate greatly

 

[Wyatt earp]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial
President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

Immigrants aren't the problem; they never were.
Crony-capitalists getting rich from wars and the "magic of compound interest blame immigrants to distract from their own crimes.

"Consumer demand[edit]

"Economic activity produced by illegal immigrant spending employs about 5% of the total US workforce. Illegal immigrants occupy over 3 million dwellings, or just under 4% of the total number of homes in the US. UCLA research indicates immigrants produce $150 billion of economic activity equivalent to spending stimulus every year.

"The advantages of illegal migration tend mostly to be on the side of the employer.

"An employer will benefit from the illegal status of a migrant who is desperate for work and therefore prepared to accept poor pay, usually below local norms. Hiring an illegal worker also brings the employer the advantage of paying less in the way of welfare contributions and other non-wage costs.[26]

Economic impact of illegal immigrants in the United States - Wikipedia

"Nearly every dollar earned by illegal immigrants is spent immediately, and the average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour with an average of 34 hours per week. This means that approximately 8 million US jobs are dependent upon economic activity produced by illegal immigrant activities within the US.[27"

The average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour


Looks like idiots are still editing wiki with fake news/information ,, the average wage is around $22 bucks an hour, 44 grand a year

This is what the average American made last year

Why is it so difficult for republicans to raise minimum wage??

Why do you want to raise it national? We have no problem with it being raised by the states and locally which is being done ..

Again $25 bucks an hour in New York City is like making $5 bucks an hour in Alabama.

Think you overestimate greatly

True, but not really if you are a 3 day a pack minimum wage earner smoker in New York City who likes to drink big gulps



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[danielpalos]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial
President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

Immigrants aren't the problem; they never were.
Crony-capitalists getting rich from wars and the "magic of compound interest blame immigrants to distract from their own crimes.

"Consumer demand[edit]

"Economic activity produced by illegal immigrant spending employs about 5% of the total US workforce. Illegal immigrants occupy over 3 million dwellings, or just under 4% of the total number of homes in the US. UCLA research indicates immigrants produce $150 billion of economic activity equivalent to spending stimulus every year.

"The advantages of illegal migration tend mostly to be on the side of the employer.

"An employer will benefit from the illegal status of a migrant who is desperate for work and therefore prepared to accept poor pay, usually below local norms. Hiring an illegal worker also brings the employer the advantage of paying less in the way of welfare contributions and other non-wage costs.[26]

Economic impact of illegal immigrants in the United States - Wikipedia

"Nearly every dollar earned by illegal immigrants is spent immediately, and the average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour with an average of 34 hours per week. This means that approximately 8 million US jobs are dependent upon economic activity produced by illegal immigrant activities within the US.[27"

The average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour


Looks like idiots are still editing wiki with fake news/information ,, the average wage is around $22 bucks an hour, 44 grand a year

This is what the average American made last year

It helps when you actually read the articles:

Still, 67 percent of wage earners made less than or equal to the average. Median compensation came in at $28,851.21 for the year, up from $28,031.02 in 2013.

 

[danielpalos]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial
President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

Immigrants aren't the problem; they never were.
Crony-capitalists getting rich from wars and the "magic of compound interest blame immigrants to distract from their own crimes.

"Consumer demand[edit]

"Economic activity produced by illegal immigrant spending employs about 5% of the total US workforce. Illegal immigrants occupy over 3 million dwellings, or just under 4% of the total number of homes in the US. UCLA research indicates immigrants produce $150 billion of economic activity equivalent to spending stimulus every year.

"The advantages of illegal migration tend mostly to be on the side of the employer.

"An employer will benefit from the illegal status of a migrant who is desperate for work and therefore prepared to accept poor pay, usually below local norms. Hiring an illegal worker also brings the employer the advantage of paying less in the way of welfare contributions and other non-wage costs.[26]

Economic impact of illegal immigrants in the United States - Wikipedia

"Nearly every dollar earned by illegal immigrants is spent immediately, and the average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour with an average of 34 hours per week. This means that approximately 8 million US jobs are dependent upon economic activity produced by illegal immigrant activities within the US.[27"

The average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour


Looks like idiots are still editing wiki with fake news/information ,, the average wage is around $22 bucks an hour, 44 grand a year

This is what the average American made last year

Why is it so difficult for republicans to raise minimum wage??

and benefit the least wealthy under our form of capitalism, for "free"?

 

[charwin95]

Working under the table doesn't hide the cost of the labor.
You analogy of using the minimum wage increase is not the same than paying you $25/hour. The minimum wage doesn't jump from $10 to $16 in one day. People at McDonald's do not make $16.
What made you think farmers can afford all his laborers to pay $25/hour?

And if you remove all these illegals from ----- let say agricultural jobs ------ Who will take over those jobs?
You are so worried foreigners taking over jobs and yet you have Trump hiring foreigners paying $10.20/hour.

They can afford it the same way some McDonald's and Walmart's were paying $17 bucks an hour in the Dakotas


God you refuse to get supply and demand.


Right now illegals take those jobs becau6no one else wants to get paid that little, you remove the supply of labor .....wages always go up what's so complicated to understand?

How much do you think should those kind of agricultural jobs get paid? 25$?
I know couple of business owners here to in Ca that own McDonald's franchises and none are making $16 except shift managers.
What made you think I don't recognized/refused ------ supply and demands? That is what I do for a living but I refuse to believe and believe:
1. Most Americans will not take over those jobs even if you raised it to a reasonable $18.
2. You don't just wake up and suddenly you want to work in those kind of hard dirty labor. If you are not born to do this kind of jobs you will not last and probably quit the same or the next day. That's been proven over and over. I believed you are physically tough but not all Americans are like you.
3. if you have kids ------ are you going to give up your welfare checks and work for $18 to $20?
Then pay babysitter.
4. Even if you find Americans that are willing to work in those kind environments. I'm very sure it's not in millions.
5. Now -------- What are you going to do if those illegals are gone? Shut down the agricultural business?
6. Definitely all prices will also go up from food to other services. Are you speaking for the rest of poor Americans that are trying to get by?

Why One Walmart in North Dakota Is Paying $17.40 an Hour

• Philip Wegmann

3 years ago

Photo: Spencer Platt/Getty Images

A Walmart store in Williston, N.D., is offering to pay entry-level workers as much as $17.40 per hour—nearly 2½ times the federal minimum wage—in an effort to compete in one of America’s most dynamic labor markets.

The push for a “living wage” has gained momentum in cities such as Seattle recently. But the historic oil boom in North Dakota has provided real, sustained growth in wages and lowered unemployment in North Dakota to 2.6 percent—the lowest statewide rate in the nation—and to less than 1 percent in Williston, which is near the oil fields in the western part of the state.
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For your post #363 & 364.

You are totally lost in the jungle dude. Big time. This just show how a ignorant you are.
Tell me what is so hard working at McDonald's or Walmart inside an air conditioned building compared to working at ------- convalescence home, home care, agricultural farm at 100+° , slaughter house etc etc etc? Tell me.

On top of that you did not even answer every single questions I asked you.

All you did was deflect and could never figure out supply and demand.

Got bored of you....



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Actually you never answer any of my questions.

 

[charwin95]

They can afford it the same way some McDonald's and Walmart's were paying $17 bucks an hour in the Dakotas


God you refuse to get supply and demand.


Right now illegals take those jobs becau6no one else wants to get paid that little, you remove the supply of labor .....wages always go up what's so complicated to understand?

How much do you think should those kind of agricultural jobs get paid? 25$?
I know couple of business owners here to in Ca that own McDonald's franchises and none are making $16 except shift managers.
What made you think I don't recognized/refused ------ supply and demands? That is what I do for a living but I refuse to believe and believe:
1. Most Americans will not take over those jobs even if you raised it to a reasonable $18.
2. You don't just wake up and suddenly you want to work in those kind of hard dirty labor. If you are not born to do this kind of jobs you will not last and probably quit the same or the next day. That's been proven over and over. I believed you are physically tough but not all Americans are like you.
3. if you have kids ------ are you going to give up your welfare checks and work for $18 to $20?
Then pay babysitter.
4. Even if you find Americans that are willing to work in those kind environments. I'm very sure it's not in millions.
5. Now -------- What are you going to do if those illegals are gone? Shut down the agricultural business?
6. Definitely all prices will also go up from food to other services. Are you speaking for the rest of poor Americans that are trying to get by?

Why One Walmart in North Dakota Is Paying $17.40 an Hour

• Philip Wegmann

3 years ago

Photo: Spencer Platt/Getty Images

A Walmart store in Williston, N.D., is offering to pay entry-level workers as much as $17.40 per hour—nearly 2½ times the federal minimum wage—in an effort to compete in one of America’s most dynamic labor markets.

The push for a “living wage” has gained momentum in cities such as Seattle recently. But the historic oil boom in North Dakota has provided real, sustained growth in wages and lowered unemployment in North Dakota to 2.6 percent—the lowest statewide rate in the nation—and to less than 1 percent in Williston, which is near the oil fields in the western part of the state.


://www.google.com/amp/dailysignal.com/2014/06/10/drilling-innovation-forcing-walmart-north-dakota-pay-17-40-hour/amp/

Again it's simple economics 101 you get rid of 20 million illegals wages
Will go up...


McDonald’s Signing Bonuses: North Dakota Outlet Offering $300 To Potential Hires

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What I'm telling you are the facts and reality in life ------ No bullshit.
What you are telling me are just pure nonsense and just plain tough shit ------- Bullshit.

Let me dissect the anomaly of your anally constipated economy 101. These illegals mostly works for agricultural, meat and poultry, garments, home care, convalescence home, cleaning etc etc etc with low paying jobs. Not in the corporate world.
1. As an example----------- Restaurants using your $25 estimate. In order to entice my fellow Americans to work as a bus boy, dish washer, janitor, cook at a restaurant you want them to get paid from $8 to $25. Most likely hostess and waitresses will be asking for $25/hour wages also. Since the prices of meat, chicken and vegetables went skyrocketed------ you also increased the labor of the restaurant workers overnight to $25.
How much do you think the price increase of those menus? How many customers do you think can afford to go to these restaurants? Are these restaurants gaining more customers or less? What do you think will happen to the restaurants enterprises?
2. Since food and other consumables went up because of your policy -------- Do you think car repairs, airlines, home care, beauty shops and other services will stay the same or go up? What do you think will happen to people like you who has fix income?
In short your just fucked up the economy.

Anything else tough guy?

Yet you don't think that would happen raising the minimum wage don't you dumb ass?


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Rising the minimum wage gradually will not hurt the economy.
Rising wages overnight at very high rate will cripple the economy. Just like your example of $25/hour under the table. Stupid.

 

[charwin95]

Immigrants aren't the problem; they never were.
Crony-capitalists getting rich from wars and the "magic of compound interest blame immigrants to distract from their own crimes.

"Consumer demand[edit]

"Economic activity produced by illegal immigrant spending employs about 5% of the total US workforce. Illegal immigrants occupy over 3 million dwellings, or just under 4% of the total number of homes in the US. UCLA research indicates immigrants produce $150 billion of economic activity equivalent to spending stimulus every year.

"The advantages of illegal migration tend mostly to be on the side of the employer.

"An employer will benefit from the illegal status of a migrant who is desperate for work and therefore prepared to accept poor pay, usually below local norms. Hiring an illegal worker also brings the employer the advantage of paying less in the way of welfare contributions and other non-wage costs.[26]

Economic impact of illegal immigrants in the United States - Wikipedia

"Nearly every dollar earned by illegal immigrants is spent immediately, and the average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour with an average of 34 hours per week. This means that approximately 8 million US jobs are dependent upon economic activity produced by illegal immigrant activities within the US.[27"

The average wage for US citizens is $10.25/hour


Looks like idiots are still editing wiki with fake news/information ,, the average wage is around $22 bucks an hour, 44 grand a year

This is what the average American made last year

Why is it so difficult for republicans to raise minimum wage??

Why do you want to raise it national? We have no problem with it being raised by the states and locally which is being done ..

Again $25 bucks an hour in New York City is like making $5 bucks an hour in Alabama.

Think you overestimate greatly

True, but not really if you are a 3 day a pack minimum wage earner smoker in New York City who likes to drink big gulps



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If you are applying your street smart that might work. But we are not.