Two more questions for partisans

[Redfish]

I think a more important question is: who benefits when we are a divided nation? Look at history, when nations have become divided what happens? The rise of the third reich, the rise of Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, the North Korean Kim regime, Chavez in Venezuela, the ayatollahs in Iran. All radical socialists who thought they knew what everyone else should believe and how everyone else should live.

What we are seeing in the USA today is straight out of the socialist playbook. Divide the nation and conquer it. History is repeating itself and we are too ignorant to even realize it as it is happening to us.

But in the last couple of years there seems to be an awakening in America, I hope its not too late.

 

[RealDave]

There is only so much ignorance & stupidity a person can take.

How do you convince the idiot poster that spews untruths while ignoring responses that correct them?

I do not expect to change the mind of the true dumbasses like Iceweasal. But by refuting his idiocy, a reader might become enlightened & see that lies dipsticks like Iceweasal project crap & party line agendas.

If you are coming on this site & posting crap, expect to get thrown back ion your face. It is that simple.

If you are coming here & posting racial & bigoted comments, be prepared to be called out for it.

Civility ends when the lies begin. It is beyond opinion when you ignore facts.

 

[Redfish]

There is only so much ignorance & stupidity a person can take.

How do you convince the idiot poster that spews untruths while ignoring responses that correct them?

I do not expect to change the mind of the true dumbasses like Iceweasal. But by refuting his idiocy, a reader might become enlightened & see that lies dipsticks like Iceweasal project crap & party line agendas.

If you are coming on this site & posting crap, expect to get thrown back ion your face. It is that simple.

If you are coming here & posting racial & bigoted comments, be prepared to be called out for it.

Civility ends when the lies begin. It is beyond opinion when you ignore facts.

very true, facts are to liberals as kryptonite was to superman.

 

[RealDave]

There is only so much ignorance & stupidity a person can take.

How do you convince the idiot poster that spews untruths while ignoring responses that correct them?

I do not expect to change the mind of the true dumbasses like Iceweasal. But by refuting his idiocy, a reader might become enlightened & see that lies dipsticks like Iceweasal project crap & party line agendas.

If you are coming on this site & posting crap, expect to get thrown back ion your face. It is that simple.

If you are coming here & posting racial & bigoted comments, be prepared to be called out for it.

Civility ends when the lies begin. It is beyond opinion when you ignore facts.

very true, facts are to liberals as kryptonite was to superman.

Thanks for proving my point. Feel free to point out anything I posted that is a lie.

 

[Mac1958]

If you are coming on this site & posting crap, expect to get thrown back ion your face. It is that simple. If you are coming here & posting racial & bigoted comments, be prepared to be called out for it.

Okay, but to what end?

Do we agree that being personally attacked will only solidify the views of the person being attacked?

If so, what's the point?
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[RealDave]

If you are coming on this site & posting crap, expect to get thrown back ion your face. It is that simple. If you are coming here & posting racial & bigoted comments, be prepared to be called out for it.

Okay, but to what end?

Do we agree that being personally attacked will only solidify the views of the person being attacked?

If so, what's the point?
.

Those posting this bs know it. They are hopelessly duped. By a reader might find the truth.

Don't expect politeness from me if you post things that are lies or stories that have been debunked.

 

[Seawytch]

Thank gawd independent % gets bigger every day.

Except there's no evidence for that.

Okay, let's look at percentages since 1996

Democrat - 49, 49, 49, 55, 53, 48

Republican - 43, 49, 51, 45, 47, 46.

Third Party - 8, 2, 0, 0, 2, 6

A lot of people might call themselves 'independent", but the fact is, since the last major third party movement petered out in 1996, the GOP gets between 45-51% and the democrats get between 48-55%. So the window of "persuadable" voters is really only about 10% if you are being really , really generous.

Now, it wasn't always this way. There was a time when a major party shit the bed and nominated a nut, enough people voted for the alternative, even if they thought he was a bit shifty.

Goldwater in 1964 and McGovern in 1972. Both well outside the mainstream, for the time, and the voters rejected them.

But in this case, the very same people who voted for McCain in 2008, despite everything Bush did, were the same 45% who voted for Trump, despite Trump being a womanizing, mentally unstable scumbag.

Voters rejected Twittler too...by three million. One of the last vestiges of the slave owning south voted for Drumph...the Electoral College.

 

[TNHarley]

Thank gawd independent % gets bigger every day.

Except there's no evidence for that.

Okay, let's look at percentages since 1996

Democrat - 49, 49, 49, 55, 53, 48

Republican - 43, 49, 51, 45, 47, 46.

Third Party - 8, 2, 0, 0, 2, 6

A lot of people might call themselves 'independent", but the fact is, since the last major third party movement petered out in 1996, the GOP gets between 45-51% and the democrats get between 48-55%. So the window of "persuadable" voters is really only about 10% if you are being really , really generous.

Now, it wasn't always this way. There was a time when a major party shit the bed and nominated a nut, enough people voted for the alternative, even if they thought he was a bit shifty.

Goldwater in 1964 and McGovern in 1972. Both well outside the mainstream, for the time, and the voters rejected them.

But in this case, the very same people who voted for McCain in 2008, despite everything Bush did, were the same 45% who voted for Trump, despite Trump being a womanizing, mentally unstable scumbag.

Voters rejected Twittler too...by three million. One of the last vestiges of the slave owning south voted for Drumph...the Electoral College.

Oh get over it already. Good lord. THATS THE WAY IT WORKS, HACK

 

[whitehall]

The goal is always to beat the other side. You would expect the losing side to accept the will of the people but when the hyperbole from the left includes threats of bombing and assassination and actual attempts to murder republicans it seems that the democrat party has lost it's way.

 

[Mac1958]

What I'm trying to get to is what that would look like. Are you going to convince a vast majority of the country to agree with you?

It would look a lot like the last election.

So having your candidate receive 46.4% of the vote qualifies as a vast majority?
.

 

[Mac1958]

The goal is always to beat the other side. You would expect the losing side to accept the will of the people but when the hyperbole from the left includes threats of bombing and assassination and actual attempts to murder republicans it seems that the democrat party has lost it's way.

What I'm trying to get to is what "beating" the other side actually looks like.

I'll try it from another direction: Is victory a permanent thing, or do you think this will remain cyclical?
.

 

[Mac1958]

I think a more important question is: who benefits when we are a divided nation? Look at history, when nations have become divided what happens? The rise of the third reich, the rise of Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, the North Korean Kim regime, Chavez in Venezuela, the ayatollahs in Iran. All radical socialists who thought they knew what everyone else should believe and how everyone else should live.

What we are seeing in the USA today is straight out of the socialist playbook. Divide the nation and conquer it. History is repeating itself and we are too ignorant to even realize it as it is happening to us.

But in the last couple of years there seems to be an awakening in America, I hope its not too late.

I don't know about the political angle, but one group of people who are clearly benefiting from this environment are the media Division Pimps.
.

 

[Redfish]

What I'm trying to get to is what that would look like. Are you going to convince a vast majority of the country to agree with you?

It would look a lot like the last election.

So having your candidate receive 46.4% of the vote qualifies as a vast majority?
.

we use the electoral college to select presidents. the win there was substantial.

 

[Iceweasel]

What I'm trying to get to is what that would look like. Are you going to convince a vast majority of the country to agree with you?

It would look a lot like the last election.

So having your candidate receive 46.4% of the vote qualifies as a vast majority?
.

I responded to your response. You responded to Cellblock.

Liberalism must be defeated at every opportunity. Nuff said

What that would look like refers to the comment you responded to, not the out of context post you just made.

My point was that victory would look a lot like the last election. The small popular vote difference wasn't the point. The victory and movement in the right direction is. How small do things need to be broken down for you?

 

[Redfish]

I think a more important question is: who benefits when we are a divided nation? Look at history, when nations have become divided what happens? The rise of the third reich, the rise of Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, the North Korean Kim regime, Chavez in Venezuela, the ayatollahs in Iran. All radical socialists who thought they knew what everyone else should believe and how everyone else should live.

What we are seeing in the USA today is straight out of the socialist playbook. Divide the nation and conquer it. History is repeating itself and we are too ignorant to even realize it as it is happening to us.

But in the last couple of years there seems to be an awakening in America, I hope its not too late.

I don't know about the political angle, but one group of people who are clearly benefiting from this environment are the media Division Pimps.
.

true, the biased media is a large reason we are so divided. But my references to history are accurate. When the media becomes the mouthpiece for only one side, disaster always follows.

 

[Iceweasel]

The goal is always to beat the other side. You would expect the losing side to accept the will of the people but when the hyperbole from the left includes threats of bombing and assassination and actual attempts to murder republicans it seems that the democrat party has lost it's way.

What I'm trying to get to is what "beating" the other side actually looks like.

I'll try it from another direction: Is victory a permanent thing, or do you think this will remain cyclical?
.

Leftists won't stop trying to seize power. Your binary question is either/or and life doesn't work that way. Beating the opponent means you are implementing your agenda, thought I said that before. Why ask questions if you can't understand the answers?

 

[iceberg]

There is only so much ignorance & stupidity a person can take.

How do you convince the idiot poster that spews untruths while ignoring responses that correct them?

I do not expect to change the mind of the true dumbasses like Iceweasal. But by refuting his idiocy, a reader might become enlightened & see that lies dipsticks like Iceweasal project crap & party line agendas.

If you are coming on this site & posting crap, expect to get thrown back ion your face. It is that simple.

If you are coming here & posting racial & bigoted comments, be prepared to be called out for it.

Civility ends when the lies begin. It is beyond opinion when you ignore facts.

very true, facts are to liberals as kryptonite was to superman.

Thanks for proving my point. Feel free to point out anything I posted that is a lie.

you both proved the main point in that most people are in here to fight, not get along. to be heard, not to listen. to be understood, but fuck you if you don't.

to think only one side does this is pure bullshit.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The two sides cannot even agree to work together.

Agreed, so back to my question: What is the actual goal here? Or do the two "sides" have different goals?
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I believe that it's actually quite apparent that the two sides have different goals.

Simply look at the differences in their approach to HC.

The Dems are unanimous on their goals. The Repubs are not. They've been banging the repeal drum for nearly a decade and found themselves wholly unprepared to move it when the opportunity arose.

The Dems are happy to address the issues with HC within reason, as a bipartisan effort should be. They haven't been invited to the discussion as of yet. Maybe the Republicans effort has to fail on it's own before that can happen.

I agree with you on that issue, but the same could be said overall about the Dems, particularly when it comes to the wide range of topics involving Identity Politics.
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I agree. The identity stuff had a purpose that's largely been served. It's time to get back to basics.

 

[Mac1958]

What I'm trying to get to is what that would look like. Are you going to convince a vast majority of the country to agree with you?

It would look a lot like the last election.

So having your candidate receive 46.4% of the vote qualifies as a vast majority?.

we use the electoral college to select presidents. the win there was substantial.

Of course. But that doesn't mean that the majority of country agrees with ANYTHING.
.

 

[Iceweasel]

There is only so much ignorance & stupidity a person can take.

How do you convince the idiot poster that spews untruths while ignoring responses that correct them?

I do not expect to change the mind of the true dumbasses like Iceweasal. But by refuting his idiocy, a reader might become enlightened & see that lies dipsticks like Iceweasal project crap & party line agendas.

If you are coming on this site & posting crap, expect to get thrown back ion your face. It is that simple.

If you are coming here & posting racial & bigoted comments, be prepared to be called out for it.

Civility ends when the lies begin. It is beyond opinion when you ignore facts.

very true, facts are to liberals as kryptonite was to superman.

Thanks for proving my point. Feel free to point out anything I posted that is a lie.

you both proved the main point in that most people are in here to fight, not get along. to be heard, not to listen. to be understood, but fuck you if you don't.

to think only one side does this is pure bullshit.

I get along with a great many people, please speak for yourself. I damn sure will not agree with a leftist or try to make them feel better. I am not doctor Phil.