Two Ways to Help Stop Mass Shootings

[2aguy]

You are projecting your own faults and insecurities again in a pathetic attempt to avoid answering the question, what proportion of that 59% statistic was started by householders and what by the burglars.

Yep.....who actually initiated the rape.....the man who raped the woman, or the woman who wore the short skirt?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How many of those 59% of violent UK burglaries were against 70 year old women?

How many 70 year old victims don't need to protect themselves?

 

[Vagabond63]

What you desperately want to avoid is the truth that any violence is created by the criminal entering the house illegally.......the victim did not start the violence, the criminal did when they broke in....

Hardly, because using your own statistics 41% of burglaries when the victim was present are non violent.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

It would appear some people think their 2nd Amendment rights are more important than children’s lives.

And another fucktard with birdshit for brains

 

[BS Filter]

We need "common sense" gun laws like Hitler, Stalin and Mao where only the government Good Guys had the guns! No school shootings there

Correct. Fire up the ovens.

 

[Vagabond63]

Yep.....who actually initiated the rape.....the man who raped the woman, or the woman who wore the short skirt?

Another pathetic attempt to deflect from the subject, we are discussing how many violent burglaries are initiated by the householder encountering the burglar, and how many by the burglar.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Hardly, because using your own statistics 41% of burglaries when the victim was present are non violent.

Who the fuck are YOU ???

You're not even an American citizen.

GFY too.

 

[Vagabond63]

How many 70 year old victims don't need to protect themselves?

I asked first. You are just deflecting.

 

[2aguy]

Hardly, because using your own statistics 41% of burglaries when the victim was present are non violent.

Yes...the burglar decided not to beat or torture the victim.....the entire choice left to the criminal...

Meanwhile....the other 59%...

Wealthy retired couple tortured by burglars who forced wife to walk on broken glass in £20,000 raid


wealthy couple were tortured by "Swat team" burglars who forced the wife to walk on broken glass before breaking one of her toes with a sledgehammer while stealing £20,000 of gold and jewels.

Professional burglars John McCarthy, 35, and Richard Leslie, 37, were branded "every householder's worst nightmare" after playing leading roles in the gang that terrorised the vulnerable pensioners for four hours during a night-time raid.

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During their ordeal, the couple, aged in their 70s, were bound with tape, beaten, threatened and locked in a utility room.

The burglars hit the 77-year-old man with a chair and forced his 75-year-old wife to walk barefoot on glass, having discarded her slippers.

One of the burglars threatened to cut off the wife's fingers and ear with a pair of shears if gold, cash and Rolex watches were not produced.

She also needed extensive dental treatment because of the beating to her face. Her husband was stuck with pins "many times" to extort more valuables, the court heard.

During the attack, one of the armed intruders boasted: "This is what we do for a living."

They made off with Chinese ornaments in 24 carat gold, jewellery, silver commemorative coins featuring Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher, gold bars, a custom-made Seiko watch as well as thousands of pounds and Hong Kong dollars in cash.
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Those wealthy assholes....you can tell...they obviously initiated the violence against those helpless burglars and forced the burglars to torture them.............

An Englishman's home is his dungeon

Various reassuring types, from police spokesmen to the Economist, described the stabbing of the Moncktons as a "burglary gone wrong". If only more burglaries could go right, they imply, this sort of thing wouldn't happen.
But the trouble is that this kind of burglary - the kind most likely to go "wrong" - is now the norm in Britain. In America, it's called a "hot" burglary - a burglary that takes place when the homeowners are present - or a "home invasion", which is a much more accurate term. Just over 10 per cent of US burglaries are "hot" burglaries, and in my part of the world it's statistically insignificant: there is virtually zero chance of a New Hampshire home being broken into while the family are present. But in England and Wales it's more than 50 per cent and climbing. Which is hardly surprising given the police's petty, well-publicised pursuit of those citizens who have the impertinence to resist criminals.
These days, even as he or she is being clobbered, the more thoughtful British subject is usually keeping an eye (the one that hasn't been poked out) on potential liability.


Four years ago, Shirley Best, proprietor of the Rolander Fashion emporium, whose clients include Zara Phillips, was ironing some clothes when the proverbial two youths showed up. They pressed the hot iron into her flesh, burning her badly, and then stole her watch. "I was frightened to defend myself," said Miss Best. "I thought if I did anything I would be arrested." There speaks the modern British crime victim.

Yep....ironing those clothes was likely percieved as a violent attack, so the burlars had to defend themselves...

Waterboarded by a gang of robbers in her £7m home: Masked intruders torture grandmother, 73, for three hours to make her open a safe


That led to a terrifying three-hour ordeal in which the attackers used waterboarding – a form of torture in which the victim is made to feel they are about to be drowned.
The men took underwear from Mrs Jansen’s bedroom and forced it into her mouth before dragging her into the en-suite bathroom. They pulled her head back over the bath and covered her face with a towel they kept flooded with water from the shower head.
‘They did this to me three times but I just couldn’t open the safe,’ she said. ‘I kept telling them it was empty but they didn’t believe me.’
Mrs Jansen, who lives on a private estate in Weybridge, Surrey, told the Mail: ‘I was absolutely terrified, I thought they were going to kill me.
‘They asked me if I had any grandchildren, I told them I had ten and they said “We are going to kill you, do you think your grandchildren will miss you?”
‘I was consumed by fear. It was sheer hell and all I can remember is praying.’
Her six-bedroomed house had been broken into several weeks before the attack last Friday and Surrey Police believe the raiders had located the two safes at that point.


Read more: Waterboarded by a gang of robbers in her £7m home: Masked intruders torture grandmother, 73, for three hours to make her open a safe
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[BasicHumanUnit]

All these foreign assclowns thinking they have a say in how we govern ourselves.

America was founded on individual freedom and a right to freedom from government oppression.
AND THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. ITS IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

They need to go lick their dictators asses and STFU.

 

[2aguy]

Another pathetic attempt to deflect from the subject, we are discussing how many violent burglaries are initiated by the householder encountering the burglar, and how many by the burglar.

I told you....none.

The burglars inititate any violence the moment they enter the home without permission.

 

[M14 Shooter]

See post #525, do keep up.

You asked a question in post # 525.
That question does -nothing - to support you claim that...

"Any householder who encounters a burglar in their home are more than likely to attack them if they are at all capable.

So...
In what % of home invasions is this true, and how do you know?

 

[Vagabond63]

Who the fuck are YOU ???

You're not even an American citizen.

GFY too.

2Aguy brought up burglaries in the UK, you know Great Britain, that group of islands off the coast of Europe. Nothing to do with the USA, granted, but worthy of response by a UK citizen.

 

[Vagabond63]

I told you....none.

The burglars inititate any violence the moment they enter the home without permission.

Prove it.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Yes...the burglar decided not to beat or torture the victim.....the entire choice left to the criminal...

Meanwhile....the other 59%...

Wealthy retired couple tortured by burglars who forced wife to walk on broken glass in £20,000 raid


wealthy couple were tortured by "Swat team" burglars who forced the wife to walk on broken glass before breaking one of her toes with a sledgehammer while stealing £20,000 of gold and jewels.

Professional burglars John McCarthy, 35, and Richard Leslie, 37, were branded "every householder's worst nightmare" after playing leading roles in the gang that terrorised the vulnerable pensioners for four hours during a night-time raid.

--------

During their ordeal, the couple, aged in their 70s, were bound with tape, beaten, threatened and locked in a utility room.

The burglars hit the 77-year-old man with a chair and forced his 75-year-old wife to walk barefoot on glass, having discarded her slippers.

One of the burglars threatened to cut off the wife's fingers and ear with a pair of shears if gold, cash and Rolex watches were not produced.

She also needed extensive dental treatment because of the beating to her face. Her husband was stuck with pins "many times" to extort more valuables, the court heard.

During the attack, one of the armed intruders boasted: "This is what we do for a living."

They made off with Chinese ornaments in 24 carat gold, jewellery, silver commemorative coins featuring Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher, gold bars, a custom-made Seiko watch as well as thousands of pounds and Hong Kong dollars in cash.
============

Those wealthy assholes....you can tell...they obviously initiated the violence against those helpless burglars and forced the burglars to torture them.............

An Englishman's home is his dungeon

Various reassuring types, from police spokesmen to the Economist, described the stabbing of the Moncktons as a "burglary gone wrong". If only more burglaries could go right, they imply, this sort of thing wouldn't happen.
But the trouble is that this kind of burglary - the kind most likely to go "wrong" - is now the norm in Britain. In America, it's called a "hot" burglary - a burglary that takes place when the homeowners are present - or a "home invasion", which is a much more accurate term. Just over 10 per cent of US burglaries are "hot" burglaries, and in my part of the world it's statistically insignificant: there is virtually zero chance of a New Hampshire home being broken into while the family are present. But in England and Wales it's more than 50 per cent and climbing. Which is hardly surprising given the police's petty, well-publicised pursuit of those citizens who have the impertinence to resist criminals.
These days, even as he or she is being clobbered, the more thoughtful British subject is usually keeping an eye (the one that hasn't been poked out) on potential liability.


Four years ago, Shirley Best, proprietor of the Rolander Fashion emporium, whose clients include Zara Phillips, was ironing some clothes when the proverbial two youths showed up. They pressed the hot iron into her flesh, burning her badly, and then stole her watch. "I was frightened to defend myself," said Miss Best. "I thought if I did anything I would be arrested." There speaks the modern British crime victim.

Yep....ironing those clothes was likely percieved as a violent attack, so the burlars had to defend themselves...

Waterboarded by a gang of robbers in her £7m home: Masked intruders torture grandmother, 73, for three hours to make her open a safe


That led to a terrifying three-hour ordeal in which the attackers used waterboarding – a form of torture in which the victim is made to feel they are about to be drowned.
The men took underwear from Mrs Jansen’s bedroom and forced it into her mouth before dragging her into the en-suite bathroom. They pulled her head back over the bath and covered her face with a towel they kept flooded with water from the shower head.
‘They did this to me three times but I just couldn’t open the safe,’ she said. ‘I kept telling them it was empty but they didn’t believe me.’
Mrs Jansen, who lives on a private estate in Weybridge, Surrey, told the Mail: ‘I was absolutely terrified, I thought they were going to kill me.
‘They asked me if I had any grandchildren, I told them I had ten and they said “We are going to kill you, do you think your grandchildren will miss you?”
‘I was consumed by fear. It was sheer hell and all I can remember is praying.’
Her six-bedroomed house had been broken into several weeks before the attack last Friday and Surrey Police believe the raiders had located the two safes at that point.


Read more: Waterboarded by a gang of robbers in her £7m home: Masked intruders torture grandmother, 73, for three hours to make her open a safe
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

You're wasting valuable time again.
These imbeciles don't give a flying fuck about right or wrong or who dies.
They are agents of oppression looking to hand absolute power to the corrupt machines that feed them and direct them.

By arguing with them you are validating their anti-freedom BS.

 

[M14 Shooter]

To defend themselves and/or their property and to frighten the burglar, guns aren't necessary in either case.

Please demonstrate this to be true.

 

[Vagabond63]

You asked a question in post # 525.
That question does -nothing - to support you claim that...

"Any householder who encounters a burglar in their home are more than likely to attack them if they are at all capable.

So...
In what % of home invasions is this true, and how do you know?

Ask 2Aguy.

 

[2aguy]

2Aguy brought up burglaries in the UK, you know Great Britain, that group of islands off the coast of Europe. Nothing to do with the USA, granted, but worthy of response by a UK citizen.

Let me fix that post for you....

that group of....tiny, inconsequential..... islands

 

[Hellbilly]

And another fucktard with birdshit for brains

You doubt that people think like this? Lets get a word from Open Bolt

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

2Aguy brought up burglaries in the UK, you know Great Britain, that group of islands off the coast of Europe. Nothing to do with the USA, granted, but worthy of response by a UK citizen.

No, you're poking your head up asses where it doesn't belong.
If the Left wants to kill off it's people in Democrat controlled violent hell holes and their constituents are too stupid to see through it.....

OH WELL. Buh bye now.
OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE NOT UP FOR YOUR ASSHOLE, UNINFORMED OPINIONS.

You perverted authoritarian loving jackasses are LUCKY the Conservative Right today is unfathomably weak and nothing like the men of the Founding Fathers era.