U.S. Muslims Concerned About Their Place in Society, but Continue to Believe in the American Dream

[pismoe]

The real problems with good Muslims whether they live in the US or not is they never and I mean NEVER speak out against terrorism. Every time there is an attack either here or abroad, it's the cricket chorus. Nothing. Nada.

Fairly or unfairly, extremists have set the bar and it is up to good Muslims to stand up and say NO YOU DO NOT REPRESENT ISLAM/ YOU DO NOT REPRESENT US. Until that happens I have no sympathy for silently complicit "good" Muslims.

Every single major Islamic group in America has spoken out against essentially every single act or Islamic terrorism, here and abroad.

The fact that you've been sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming the whole time doesn't mean we haven't heard them.

The real question is, are you actively lying, or just willfully ignorant?

I'm not talking about meaningless token statements from CAIR or the Muslim Brotherhood or those other bullshit cover organizations. I am talking about the people standing up and being counted.

You would not believe them, since you believe these other Muslim organizations making statements are bullshit cover organizations.
You've got your bases covered so that you do not have to change your opinion based on any additional facts.

----------------------------------------------------------------- just watch the daily news to see what muslims do all over the world and have been doing since the invention of their 'islam' OldLady .

 

[Carl in Michigan]

What about the falling own societies Protestants built like Jamaica, Belize, Nigeria, South Africa, Liberia etc.

White SA was doing just fine until they caved to the Turd World

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The difference between a Catholic Guatemalan, and a Catholic Pole don't exist, huh?

Regardless, this country's success was built on Protestantism

Much of America's White trash is Protestant.

---------------------------------------------------------------- thats both an opinion and a silly attempt at insult . White trash , hillbillies , swampers , mountain men , cowboys , southerners and original Americans built a nation that could at this time in history chew up and spit out ALL euros , same as Russia could Sobieski .

Because the U.S, and Russia's power, has nothing to do with their much larger population sizes than other White countries?

 

[pismoe]

Is it really a coincidence that states with more White Catholics have higher IQ scores?

------------------------------------------------- as i said , look at the falling down societies that Catholics have built in S.America Sobiesky . Plus where did your family run to when they ran out of 'poland' hmm . They ran to the USA Sobiesky !!

What about the falling own societies Protestants built like Jamaica, Belize, Nigeria, South Africa, Liberia etc.

--------------------------------------------------------------- don't think that any of those places were built by 'American Protestants '. Though former American slaves built what we see in Liberia i think but don't know for sure so will check it out . To me , the success of America is due to the Protestant American brand of Christianity that came from the minds , brains , thinking and knowledge of history of Americas white , male Founders ,. Also , all the Founders came from a Homogenous and small area of the world Sobiesky .

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Is it really a coincidence that states with more White Catholics have higher IQ scores?

------------------------------------------------- as i said , look at the falling down societies that Catholics have built in S.America Sobiesky . Plus where did your family run to when they ran out of 'poland' hmm . They ran to the USA Sobiesky !!

What about the falling own societies Protestants built like Jamaica, Belize, Nigeria, South Africa, Liberia etc.

--------------------------------------------------------------- don't think that any of those places were built by 'American Protestants '. Though former American slaves built what we see in Liberia i think but don't know for sure so will check it out . To me , the success of America is due to the Protestant American brand of Christianity that came from the minds , brains , thinking and knowledge of history of Americas white , male Founders ,. Also , all the Founders came from a Homogenous and small area of the world Sobiesky .

More like America's success, largely stems from allowing in 10's of millions of White immigrants, to balloon it's self up to the largest White nation in the World.

 

[pismoe]

The difference between a Catholic Guatemalan, and a Catholic Pole don't exist, huh?

Regardless, this country's success was built on Protestantism

Much of America's White trash is Protestant.

---------------------------------------------------------------- thats both an opinion and a silly attempt at insult . White trash , hillbillies , swampers , mountain men , cowboys , southerners and original Americans built a nation that could at this time in history chew up and spit out ALL euros , same as Russia could Sobieski .

Because the U.S, and Russia's power, has nothing to do with their much larger population sizes than other White countries?

--------------------------------------------------------------- nothing to do with population size . If USA or Russia were to decide to chew you up and spit you 'euros' out we might just use a RED Button Sobieski !!

 

[Carl in Michigan]

More like America's success, largely stems from allowing in 10's of millions of White immigrants, to balloon it's self up to the largest White nation in the World.

Our decline came as we allowed immigration from OTHER THAN NW Europe. To the degree that they do not share our British roots, we've been in decline.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The difference between a Catholic Guatemalan, and a Catholic Pole don't exist, huh?

Regardless, this country's success was built on Protestantism

Much of America's White trash is Protestant.

---------------------------------------------------------------- thats both an opinion and a silly attempt at insult . White trash , hillbillies , swampers , mountain men , cowboys , southerners and original Americans built a nation that could at this time in history chew up and spit out ALL euros , same as Russia could Sobieski .

Because the U.S, and Russia's power, has nothing to do with their much larger population sizes than other White countries?

--------------------------------------------------------------- nothing to do with population size . If USA or Russia were to decide to chew you up and spit you 'euros' out we might just use a RED Button Sobieski !!

Russia's population is twice the size of Germany in population the 2nd largest nation in Europe, and the U.S.A is twice the size in population as Russia.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

More like America's success, largely stems from allowing in 10's of millions of White immigrants, to balloon it's self up to the largest White nation in the World.

Our decline came as we allowed immigration from OTHER THAN NW Europe. To the degree that they do not share our British roots, we've been in decline.

Brits are the lowest White group in the U.S though, they liter the U.S South.

 

[pismoe]

Liberia , just a bit of info because Sobieski mentioned it . --- Liberia country profile - BBC News ---

 

[pismoe]

and a bit of info on what Afrikaners in 'Oriana' S Africa . Think the Afrikaners were , are Dutch Protestant but i don't know for sure . Now Afrikaners are building a small town in SAfrica because they can and they want to . --- ---

 

[Geaux4it]

Latest Pew Poll....interesting. It's been ten years since the last poll on American Muslims and, like before...they aren't much different then other American demographics.

U.S. Muslims Concerned About Their Place in Society, but Continue to Believe in the American Dream

The early days of Donald Trump’s presidency have been an anxious time for many Muslim Americans, according to a new Pew Research Center survey. Overall, Muslims in the United States perceive a lot of discrimination against their religious group, are leery of Trump and think their fellow Americans do not see Islam as part of mainstream U.S. society.

At the same time, however, Muslim Americans express a persistent streak of optimism and positive feelings. Overwhelmingly, they say they are proud to be Americans, believe that hard work generally brings success in this country and are satisfied with the way things are going in their own lives – even if they are not satisfied with the direction of the country as a whole.

In addition, half of Muslim Americans say it has become harder to be Muslim in the U.S. in recent years. And 48% say they have experienced at least one incident of discrimination in the past 12 months.

But alongside these reports of discrimination, a similar – and growing – share (49%) of Muslim Americans say someone has expressed support for them because of their religion in the past year. And 55% think Americans in general are friendly toward U.S. Muslims, compared with just 14% who say they are unfriendly.

The Muslim population in the U.S. is growing and highly diverse, made up largely of immigrants and the children of immigrants from all across the world. Indeed, respondents in the survey hail from at least 75 nations – although the vast majority are now U.S. citizens. As a group, Muslims are younger and more racially diverse than the general population.

The survey also shows that Muslims largely share the general public’s concerns about religious extremism. Indeed, if anything, Muslims may be more concerned than non-Muslims about extremism in the name of Islam. Yet most Muslims say there is little support for extremism within the U.S. Muslim community, and few say they think violence against civilians can be justified in pursuit of religious, political or social causes.

While U.S. Muslims are concerned about extremism and overwhelmingly opposed to the use of violence against civilians, they also are somewhat mistrustful of law enforcement officials and skeptical of the integrity of government sting operations. About four-in-ten U.S. Muslims (39%) believe most Muslims who have been arrested in the U.S. on suspicion of plotting terrorist acts posed a real threat. But three-in-ten (30%) say law enforcement officers have arrested mostly people who were tricked and did not pose a real threat. And an additional three-in-ten volunteer that “it depends” or offer another response or no response. Views on this topic among the general public are less divided: A majority of U.S. adults (62%) say officers in sting operations have mostly arrested people who posed a real threat to others.

Muslims say their faith is not only about beliefs and rituals
The diversity of Muslims in the U.S. extends to religious beliefs and practices as well. While nearly all Muslims say they are proud to be Muslim, they are not of one mind about what is essential to being Muslim, and their levels of religious practice vary widely.

Most U.S. Muslims (64%) say there is more than one true way to interpret Islam. They also are more likely to say traditional understandings of Islam need to be reinterpreted in light of modern contexts (52%) than to say traditional understandings are all that is needed (38%).

Muslims also were asked whether each of eight actions and behaviors is an “essential” part of what being Muslim means to them, an “important but not essential” part or “not an important” part. Fully 85% of Muslims say believing in God is essential to what being Muslim means to them, more than say the same about any other item in the survey. And nearly three-quarters say “loving the Prophet Muhammad” is essential to what being Muslim means to them.


And:

Most Muslims say working for justice, protecting the environment among keys to what it means to be Muslim

Why aren't they asked how they feel about Jews, Homosexuals, or Hamas? Because PEW is afraid of the answers.

Polls show little support for extremists (ie Hamas)...other polls have shown that Muslims are in line with most Christian groups in terms of homosexuals, in fact - Evangelicals score worse.

A) They don't consider Hamas to be extremists, ask any Muslim you meet how they feel specifically about Hamas.


B) The majority of Christians support gay marriage, you have to use one sect of Christianity to make your false analogy.

Call it what you want, but fags are never married the way the rest of us understand marriage to be

-Geaux

 

[Unkotare]

More like America's success, largely stems from allowing in 10's of millions of White immigrants, to balloon it's self up to the largest White nation in the World.

Our decline came as we allowed immigration from OTHER THAN NW Europe. To the degree that they do not share our British roots, we've been in decline.

"We" who?

 

[Lastamender]

Latest Pew Poll....interesting. It's been ten years since the last poll on American Muslims and, like before...they aren't much different then other American demographics.

U.S. Muslims Concerned About Their Place in Society, but Continue to Believe in the American Dream

The early days of Donald Trump’s presidency have been an anxious time for many Muslim Americans, according to a new Pew Research Center survey. Overall, Muslims in the United States perceive a lot of discrimination against their religious group, are leery of Trump and think their fellow Americans do not see Islam as part of mainstream U.S. society.

At the same time, however, Muslim Americans express a persistent streak of optimism and positive feelings. Overwhelmingly, they say they are proud to be Americans, believe that hard work generally brings success in this country and are satisfied with the way things are going in their own lives – even if they are not satisfied with the direction of the country as a whole.

In addition, half of Muslim Americans say it has become harder to be Muslim in the U.S. in recent years. And 48% say they have experienced at least one incident of discrimination in the past 12 months.

But alongside these reports of discrimination, a similar – and growing – share (49%) of Muslim Americans say someone has expressed support for them because of their religion in the past year. And 55% think Americans in general are friendly toward U.S. Muslims, compared with just 14% who say they are unfriendly.

The Muslim population in the U.S. is growing and highly diverse, made up largely of immigrants and the children of immigrants from all across the world. Indeed, respondents in the survey hail from at least 75 nations – although the vast majority are now U.S. citizens. As a group, Muslims are younger and more racially diverse than the general population.

The survey also shows that Muslims largely share the general public’s concerns about religious extremism. Indeed, if anything, Muslims may be more concerned than non-Muslims about extremism in the name of Islam. Yet most Muslims say there is little support for extremism within the U.S. Muslim community, and few say they think violence against civilians can be justified in pursuit of religious, political or social causes.

While U.S. Muslims are concerned about extremism and overwhelmingly opposed to the use of violence against civilians, they also are somewhat mistrustful of law enforcement officials and skeptical of the integrity of government sting operations. About four-in-ten U.S. Muslims (39%) believe most Muslims who have been arrested in the U.S. on suspicion of plotting terrorist acts posed a real threat. But three-in-ten (30%) say law enforcement officers have arrested mostly people who were tricked and did not pose a real threat. And an additional three-in-ten volunteer that “it depends” or offer another response or no response. Views on this topic among the general public are less divided: A majority of U.S. adults (62%) say officers in sting operations have mostly arrested people who posed a real threat to others.

Muslims say their faith is not only about beliefs and rituals
The diversity of Muslims in the U.S. extends to religious beliefs and practices as well. While nearly all Muslims say they are proud to be Muslim, they are not of one mind about what is essential to being Muslim, and their levels of religious practice vary widely.

Most U.S. Muslims (64%) say there is more than one true way to interpret Islam. They also are more likely to say traditional understandings of Islam need to be reinterpreted in light of modern contexts (52%) than to say traditional understandings are all that is needed (38%).

Muslims also were asked whether each of eight actions and behaviors is an “essential” part of what being Muslim means to them, an “important but not essential” part or “not an important” part. Fully 85% of Muslims say believing in God is essential to what being Muslim means to them, more than say the same about any other item in the survey. And nearly three-quarters say “loving the Prophet Muhammad” is essential to what being Muslim means to them.


And:

Most Muslims say working for justice, protecting the environment among keys to what it means to be Muslim

Why aren't they asked how they feel about Jews, Homosexuals, or Hamas? Because PEW is afraid of the answers.

Polls show little support for extremists (ie Hamas)...other polls have shown that Muslims are in line with most Christian groups in terms of homosexuals, in fact - Evangelicals score worse.

Show me some evangelicals throwing someone of a building. Until then, stop lying.

 

[pismoe]

some of yer neighbors down in your third world area , do you attend 'catholic church' together with your guatamalen catholic brothers Sobieski ?? --- ---

 

[Unkotare]

Charles Carroll, last Founding Father to pass away.

Signatory to the Declaration of Independence.

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[frigidweirdo]

The real problems with good Muslims whether they live in the US or not is they never and I mean NEVER speak out against terrorism. Every time there is an attack either here or abroad, it's the cricket chorus. Nothing. Nada.

Fairly or unfairly, extremists have set the bar and it is up to good Muslims to stand up and say NO YOU DO NOT REPRESENT ISLAM/ YOU DO NOT REPRESENT US. Until that happens I have no sympathy for silently complicit "good" Muslims.

That's absolute bullshit. They do, and when they do they get ignored by people like you.

There was one attack and all the Muslim bashers came on here saying the same thing you're saying now. It only took 2 minutes to find hundreds of people opposing these attacks.

The problem is you people demand they do as some sort of "you're with us, or against us" bully boy mentality. Why should they have to conform to that kind of nonsense? Do you come out against every attack committed by MALES?

 

[Issa]

5 to one in the US? Lies. Insults and lies won't change facts, just so you know. Also hate and anger will shorten your life...not good.

Too bad...because most of us can be awesome. One of the most productive groups in the US,

If by productive you mean over representative in the prison population by a ratio of 5 to 1 and being responsible for 97% of all terrorism related deaths, then ya sure.

 

[Issa]

Wrong again. Educate yourself.

Too much ignorance in your post and that explains the bigotry. Most Muslims in America are Sunnis, Kurds mostly are Sunnis.....aghhhhh!!!!

Go fuck yourself and your pedophile prophet.


As a whole, the Kurdish people are adherents to a large number of different religions and creeds, perhaps constituting the most religiously diverse people of West Asia. Traditionally, Kurds have been known to take great liberties with their practices. This sentiment is reflected in the saying "Compared to the unbeliever, the Kurd is a Muslim".[215]

Kurds - Wikipedia

And for the record this Islamist POS still hasn't comdemned Hamas as a terrorist organization.

 

[Lastamender]

The real problems with good Muslims whether they live in the US or not is they never and I mean NEVER speak out against terrorism. Every time there is an attack either here or abroad, it's the cricket chorus. Nothing. Nada.

Fairly or unfairly, extremists have set the bar and it is up to good Muslims to stand up and say NO YOU DO NOT REPRESENT ISLAM/ YOU DO NOT REPRESENT US. Until that happens I have no sympathy for silently complicit "good" Muslims.

That's absolute bullshit. They do, and when they do they get ignored by people like you.

There was one attack and all the Muslim bashers came on here saying the same thing you're saying now. It only took 2 minutes to find hundreds of people opposing these attacks.

The problem is you people demand they do as some sort of "you're with us, or against us" bully boy mentality. Why should they have to conform to that kind of nonsense? Do you come out against every attack committed by MALES?

The bully boy mentality is on the Left. Intimidation and ridicule to anyone who wants to address what Islam says. And the fact that Muslims are allowed to lie to further Islam, which is a fact. That shoots down the results of any poll.