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I said I had never had one prosecuted. That is true. Guns and Leather, the dealer quoted, is one of the biggest in this area. BUt ATF would never have prosecuted the guy except for the fact that he was invovled in a gun running operation. He wasnt in fact prohibited as a felon.You said you have been a dealer for 10 years. That story is well within the time frame YOU CHOSE.Read the article. It was a gun trafficking case because the actual buyer was shipping the guns to Guatemala.Bullshit. I've been a dealer for 10 years and never had someone prosecuted for attempting falsely to buy a gun.
Sorry, but an anecdotal story is not evidence the facts are bullshit. It's just evidence you have no idea what you are talking about. There is more going on than what is happening in your little corner of the world.
Former metro nashville Police officer convicted of making false statements to a firearms dealer
During the attempted purchases, Morales, a Nashville police officer since September 2007, falsely represented on a Firearms Transaction Record, commonly known as a 4473 Form, that he was the actual buyer of handguns that were actually intended for Rojas-Lopez, who was illegally transporting guns to Guatemala.
And the incident is already 6 years old.
So yet another fail from one of the stupidest fuckers on this site.
The cop was attempting to falsely buy a gun. Parameters YOU CHOSE.
I don't know why your panties are getting in a bunch over the fact 80,000 people a year are turned away due to background checks. No matter how many times you cry "bullshit", it is still the truth.
It's sadly funny when gun nutters try to act smarter than nationwide police officials. If gun nutters simply allowed "universal background checks" - this debate could end. What's the problem?
The problem….Weimar Germany, Post World War 1 France, Britain, Australia….and any time there has been a genocide, mass murder or ethnic cleansing…they first registered the guns to keep people safe….and then the murder started….
Who is talking about "registering" guns? Who is talking about "gun-grabbing"?
Dear Dumbass,So...background checks are preventing bad guys from buying guns. The federal government is weak on prosecuting the bad guys for trying to buy guns, but stopping them from buying a gun is a good start.
It is common sense this should be extended to gun shows.
Mr Dingle Berry,
Please identify by article section and clause the CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISO which authorizes the federal government to conduct background checks and to prosecute "bad guys" for trying to buy guns.
You miserable piece of shit.
.
Even DC v. Heller said background checks are constitutional.
Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.
I did not ask about SCOTUS rulings?
My question is what does the CONSTITUTION (1787) authorize?!?!?!?!?!?
.
It's difficult to have an honest and reasonable debate on gun control issues - when the rabid gun nutters are so dishonest in the debate.
Ir also allows for a quill pen.Dear Dumbass,So...background checks are preventing bad guys from buying guns. The federal government is weak on prosecuting the bad guys for trying to buy guns, but stopping them from buying a gun is a good start.
It is common sense this should be extended to gun shows.
Mr Dingle Berry,
Please identify by article section and clause the CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISO which authorizes the federal government to conduct background checks and to prosecute "bad guys" for trying to buy guns.
You miserable piece of shit.
.
Even DC v. Heller said background checks are constitutional.
Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.
I did not ask about SCOTUS rulings?
My question is what does the CONSTITUTION (1787) authorize?!?!?!?!?!?
.
The Constitution allows for a single-shot muzzle loader. End of story.
This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world."
CHICAGO, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Police chiefs from across the United States called on Monday for universal background checks for firearms purchases, saying opinion polls consistently show that most Americans support such restrictions.
The proliferation of firearms is one of the factors behind a rise in homicide rates in many U.S. cities this year, according to senior law enforcement officials at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Chicago.
Acknowledging the power of the gun lobby and the reluctance of Congress to enact stricter gun laws, the police chiefs told a news conference they were not anti-gun but wanted to keep weapons out of the hands of people with criminal backgrounds.
Current rules on background checks apply to licensed dealers, but up to 40 percent of firearms sales involve private parties or gun shows and do not require checks, the chiefs said.
"This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world," Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said. "It troubles me all the time."
Backing the effort is an alliance of organizations representing police chiefs and executives, such as the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators.
McCarthy said he was passionate about the issue after four years on the job in Chicago, which has more shootings and killings than other big cities like New York and Los Angeles and where police seize illegal guns at a much higher rate.
The police leaders called for expansion of background checks to cover all gun purchases and for a stronger background check system to ensure all agencies share the same records including criminal and mental health backgrounds.
More: U.S. Police Chiefs Call For Background Checks For All Gun Purchases
So, the question becomes: Who knows best - the NRA gun nutters or U.S. police chiefs? I'm guessing that "the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators" know best.
Even the NRA chief Wayne commited his support for universal background checks. Until he didn't.
Its a no brainer. No one, right or left, wants criminals getting guns. Background checks help prevent this.
From the OP:
The police leaders called for expansion of background checks to cover all gun purchases and for a stronger background check system to ensure all agencies share the same records including criminal and mental health backgrounds.
What's wrong with that?
It's sadly funny when gun nutters try to act smarter than nationwide police officials. If gun nutters simply allowed "universal background checks" - this debate could end. What's the problem?
The problem….Weimar Germany, Post World War 1 France, Britain, Australia….and any time there has been a genocide, mass murder or ethnic cleansing…they first registered the guns to keep people safe….and then the murder started….
Who is talking about "registering" guns? Who is talking about "gun-grabbing"?
The only way for background checks for private sales to work is to register guns…otherwise both parties could deny the sale was made.
That is why they are pushing so hard for universal background checks even though criminals will get around them as easily as they get around current, federally mandated background checks.
Once they implement background checks, those checks will also fail to stop criminals and mass shooters…in fact mass shooters already either pass background checks or ignore them…….and once they have a good case where a criminal or mass shooter kills a lot of people even with the background checks, they will say…."Well obviously, universal background checks are going to fail to stop criminals and mass shooters if we don't have universal gun registration…."
Old story.....
This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world."
CHICAGO, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Police chiefs from across the United States called on Monday for universal background checks for firearms purchases, saying opinion polls consistently show that most Americans support such restrictions.
The proliferation of firearms is one of the factors behind a rise in homicide rates in many U.S. cities this year, according to senior law enforcement officials at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Chicago.
Acknowledging the power of the gun lobby and the reluctance of Congress to enact stricter gun laws, the police chiefs told a news conference they were not anti-gun but wanted to keep weapons out of the hands of people with criminal backgrounds.
Current rules on background checks apply to licensed dealers, but up to 40 percent of firearms sales involve private parties or gun shows and do not require checks, the chiefs said.
"This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world," Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said. "It troubles me all the time."
Backing the effort is an alliance of organizations representing police chiefs and executives, such as the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators.
McCarthy said he was passionate about the issue after four years on the job in Chicago, which has more shootings and killings than other big cities like New York and Los Angeles and where police seize illegal guns at a much higher rate.
The police leaders called for expansion of background checks to cover all gun purchases and for a stronger background check system to ensure all agencies share the same records including criminal and mental health backgrounds.
More: U.S. Police Chiefs Call For Background Checks For All Gun Purchases
So, the question becomes: Who knows best - the NRA gun nutters or U.S. police chiefs? I'm guessing that "the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators" know best.
This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world."
CHICAGO, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Police chiefs from across the United States called on Monday for universal background checks for firearms purchases, saying opinion polls consistently show that most Americans support such restrictions.
The proliferation of firearms is one of the factors behind a rise in homicide rates in many U.S. cities this year, according to senior law enforcement officials at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Chicago.
Acknowledging the power of the gun lobby and the reluctance of Congress to enact stricter gun laws, the police chiefs told a news conference they were not anti-gun but wanted to keep weapons out of the hands of people with criminal backgrounds.
Current rules on background checks apply to licensed dealers, but up to 40 percent of firearms sales involve private parties or gun shows and do not require checks, the chiefs said.
"This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world," Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said. "It troubles me all the time."
Backing the effort is an alliance of organizations representing police chiefs and executives, such as the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators.
McCarthy said he was passionate about the issue after four years on the job in Chicago, which has more shootings and killings than other big cities like New York and Los Angeles and where police seize illegal guns at a much higher rate.
The police leaders called for expansion of background checks to cover all gun purchases and for a stronger background check system to ensure all agencies share the same records including criminal and mental health backgrounds.
More: U.S. Police Chiefs Call For Background Checks For All Gun Purchases
So, the question becomes: Who knows best - the NRA gun nutters or U.S. police chiefs? I'm guessing that "the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators" know best.
Even the NRA chief Wayne commited his support for universal background checks. Until he didn't.
Its a no brainer. No one, right or left, wants criminals getting guns. Background checks help prevent this.
Name one mass shooter that was stopped by current background checks?
Please show the dynamic involved in how background checks stop a criminal from getting a gun?
Keeping in mind that the 2 ways criminals get their guns is by stealing them…or by getting someone with a clean record to buy the gun for them….
Please…explain how background checks keep criminals or mass shooters from getting guns…
Dear Dumbass,So...background checks are preventing bad guys from buying guns. The federal government is weak on prosecuting the bad guys for trying to buy guns, but stopping them from buying a gun is a good start.
It is common sense this should be extended to gun shows.
Mr Dingle Berry,
Please identify by article section and clause the CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISO which authorizes the federal government to conduct background checks and to prosecute "bad guys" for trying to buy guns.
You miserable piece of shit.
.
Even DC v. Heller said background checks are constitutional.
Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.
I did not ask about SCOTUS rulings?
My question is what does the CONSTITUTION (1787) authorize?!?!?!?!?!?
.
The Constitution allows for a single-shot muzzle loader. End of story.
The cop was prevented from buying guns for a gun smuggler!I said I had never had one prosecuted. That is true. Guns and Leather, the dealer quoted, is one of the biggest in this area. BUt ATF would never have prosecuted the guy except for the fact that he was invovled in a gun running operation. He wasnt in fact prohibited as a felon.You said you have been a dealer for 10 years. That story is well within the time frame YOU CHOSE.Read the article. It was a gun trafficking case because the actual buyer was shipping the guns to Guatemala.Bullshit. I've been a dealer for 10 years and never had someone prosecuted for attempting falsely to buy a gun.
Sorry, but an anecdotal story is not evidence the facts are bullshit. It's just evidence you have no idea what you are talking about. There is more going on than what is happening in your little corner of the world.
Former metro nashville Police officer convicted of making false statements to a firearms dealer
During the attempted purchases, Morales, a Nashville police officer since September 2007, falsely represented on a Firearms Transaction Record, commonly known as a 4473 Form, that he was the actual buyer of handguns that were actually intended for Rojas-Lopez, who was illegally transporting guns to Guatemala.
And the incident is already 6 years old.
So yet another fail from one of the stupidest fuckers on this site.
The cop was attempting to falsely buy a gun. Parameters YOU CHOSE.
I don't know why your panties are getting in a bunch over the fact 80,000 people a year are turned away due to background checks. No matter how many times you cry "bullshit", it is still the truth.
So your point is doubly stupid.
It's sadly funny when gun nutters try to act smarter than nationwide police officials. If gun nutters simply allowed "universal background checks" - this debate could end. What's the problem?
The problem….Weimar Germany, Post World War 1 France, Britain, Australia….and any time there has been a genocide, mass murder or ethnic cleansing…they first registered the guns to keep people safe….and then the murder started….
Who is talking about "registering" guns? Who is talking about "gun-grabbing"?
The only way for background checks for private sales to work is to register guns…otherwise both parties could deny the sale was made.
That is why they are pushing so hard for universal background checks even though criminals will get around them as easily as they get around current, federally mandated background checks.
Once they implement background checks, those checks will also fail to stop criminals and mass shooters…in fact mass shooters already either pass background checks or ignore them…….and once they have a good case where a criminal or mass shooter kills a lot of people even with the background checks, they will say…."Well obviously, universal background checks are going to fail to stop criminals and mass shooters if we don't have universal gun registration…."
Even if true, if any such guns were misused - the misusers would be severely prosecuted.
This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world."
CHICAGO, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Police chiefs from across the United States called on Monday for universal background checks for firearms purchases, saying opinion polls consistently show that most Americans support such restrictions.
The proliferation of firearms is one of the factors behind a rise in homicide rates in many U.S. cities this year, according to senior law enforcement officials at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Chicago.
Acknowledging the power of the gun lobby and the reluctance of Congress to enact stricter gun laws, the police chiefs told a news conference they were not anti-gun but wanted to keep weapons out of the hands of people with criminal backgrounds.
Current rules on background checks apply to licensed dealers, but up to 40 percent of firearms sales involve private parties or gun shows and do not require checks, the chiefs said.
"This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world," Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said. "It troubles me all the time."
Backing the effort is an alliance of organizations representing police chiefs and executives, such as the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators.
McCarthy said he was passionate about the issue after four years on the job in Chicago, which has more shootings and killings than other big cities like New York and Los Angeles and where police seize illegal guns at a much higher rate.
The police leaders called for expansion of background checks to cover all gun purchases and for a stronger background check system to ensure all agencies share the same records including criminal and mental health backgrounds.
More: U.S. Police Chiefs Call For Background Checks For All Gun Purchases
So, the question becomes: Who knows best - the NRA gun nutters or U.S. police chiefs? I'm guessing that "the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators" know best.
Even the NRA chief Wayne commited his support for universal background checks. Until he didn't.
Its a no brainer. No one, right or left, wants criminals getting guns. Background checks help prevent this.
Name one mass shooter that was stopped by current background checks?
Please show the dynamic involved in how background checks stop a criminal from getting a gun?
Keeping in mind that the 2 ways criminals get their guns is by stealing them…or by getting someone with a clean record to buy the gun for them….
Please…explain how background checks keep criminals or mass shooters from getting guns…
It's sadly funny when gun nutters try to act smarter than nationwide police officials. If gun nutters simply allowed "universal background checks" - this debate could end. What's the problem?
The problem….Weimar Germany, Post World War 1 France, Britain, Australia….and any time there has been a genocide, mass murder or ethnic cleansing…they first registered the guns to keep people safe….and then the murder started….
Who is talking about "registering" guns? Who is talking about "gun-grabbing"?
The only way for background checks for private sales to work is to register guns…otherwise both parties could deny the sale was made.
That is why they are pushing so hard for universal background checks even though criminals will get around them as easily as they get around current, federally mandated background checks.
Once they implement background checks, those checks will also fail to stop criminals and mass shooters…in fact mass shooters already either pass background checks or ignore them…….and once they have a good case where a criminal or mass shooter kills a lot of people even with the background checks, they will say…."Well obviously, universal background checks are going to fail to stop criminals and mass shooters if we don't have universal gun registration…."
Even if true, if any such guns were misused - the misusers would be severely prosecuted.
That happens now. And the fact is this…..felons do not have to register illegal guns….Haynes v. The United States in the Supreme Court made this constitutional law….
There is no need for a national data base….except to wait for the political will to ban certain or all models of guns….
It's sadly funny when gun nutters try to act smarter than nationwide police officials. If gun nutters simply allowed "universal background checks" - this debate could end. What's the problem?
The problem….Weimar Germany, Post World War 1 France, Britain, Australia….and any time there has been a genocide, mass murder or ethnic cleansing…they first registered the guns to keep people safe….and then the murder started….
Who is talking about "registering" guns? Who is talking about "gun-grabbing"?
The only way for background checks for private sales to work is to register guns…otherwise both parties could deny the sale was made.
That is why they are pushing so hard for universal background checks even though criminals will get around them as easily as they get around current, federally mandated background checks.
Once they implement background checks, those checks will also fail to stop criminals and mass shooters…in fact mass shooters already either pass background checks or ignore them…….and once they have a good case where a criminal or mass shooter kills a lot of people even with the background checks, they will say…."Well obviously, universal background checks are going to fail to stop criminals and mass shooters if we don't have universal gun registration…."
Even if true, if any such guns were misused - the misusers would be severely prosecuted.
That happens now. And the fact is this…..felons do not have to register illegal guns….Haynes v. The United States in the Supreme Court made this constitutional law….
There is no need for a national data base….except to wait for the political will to ban certain or all models of guns….
You said you have been a dealer for 10 years. That story is well within the time frame YOU CHOSE. I bet you didn't expect me to find an actual example where you live, did you. Don't be all sore now.Read the article. It was a gun trafficking case because the actual buyer was shipping the guns to Guatemala.Bullshit. I've been a dealer for 10 years and never had someone prosecuted for attempting falsely to buy a gun.
Sorry, but an anecdotal story is not evidence the facts are bullshit. It's just evidence you have no idea what you are talking about. There is more going on than what is happening in your little corner of the world.
Former metro nashville Police officer convicted of making false statements to a firearms dealer
During the attempted purchases, Morales, a Nashville police officer since September 2007, falsely represented on a Firearms Transaction Record, commonly known as a 4473 Form, that he was the actual buyer of handguns that were actually intended for Rojas-Lopez, who was illegally transporting guns to Guatemala.
And the incident is already 6 years old.
So yet another fail from one of the stupidest fuckers on this site.
The cop was attempting to falsely buy a gun. Parameters YOU CHOSE.
I don't know why your panties are getting in a bunch over the fact 80,000 people a year are turned away due to background checks. No matter how many times you cry "bullshit", it is still the truth.
The problem….Weimar Germany, Post World War 1 France, Britain, Australia….and any time there has been a genocide, mass murder or ethnic cleansing…they first registered the guns to keep people safe….and then the murder started….
Who is talking about "registering" guns? Who is talking about "gun-grabbing"?
The only way for background checks for private sales to work is to register guns…otherwise both parties could deny the sale was made.
That is why they are pushing so hard for universal background checks even though criminals will get around them as easily as they get around current, federally mandated background checks.
Once they implement background checks, those checks will also fail to stop criminals and mass shooters…in fact mass shooters already either pass background checks or ignore them…….and once they have a good case where a criminal or mass shooter kills a lot of people even with the background checks, they will say…."Well obviously, universal background checks are going to fail to stop criminals and mass shooters if we don't have universal gun registration…."
Even if true, if any such guns were misused - the misusers would be severely prosecuted.
That happens now. And the fact is this…..felons do not have to register illegal guns….Haynes v. The United States in the Supreme Court made this constitutional law….
There is no need for a national data base….except to wait for the political will to ban certain or all models of guns….
That is bullshit.
Only the states can amend the Constitution. The SCOTUS can NOT amend the Constitution. Haynes is BULLSHIT case law.
.
The problem….Weimar Germany, Post World War 1 France, Britain, Australia….and any time there has been a genocide, mass murder or ethnic cleansing…they first registered the guns to keep people safe….and then the murder started….
Who is talking about "registering" guns? Who is talking about "gun-grabbing"?
The only way for background checks for private sales to work is to register guns…otherwise both parties could deny the sale was made.
That is why they are pushing so hard for universal background checks even though criminals will get around them as easily as they get around current, federally mandated background checks.
Once they implement background checks, those checks will also fail to stop criminals and mass shooters…in fact mass shooters already either pass background checks or ignore them…….and once they have a good case where a criminal or mass shooter kills a lot of people even with the background checks, they will say…."Well obviously, universal background checks are going to fail to stop criminals and mass shooters if we don't have universal gun registration…."
Even if true, if any such guns were misused - the misusers would be severely prosecuted.
That happens now. And the fact is this…..felons do not have to register illegal guns….Haynes v. The United States in the Supreme Court made this constitutional law….
There is no need for a national data base….except to wait for the political will to ban certain or all models of guns….
That is bullshit.
Only the states can amend the Constitution. The SCOTUS can NOT amend the Constitution. Haynes is BULLSHIT case law.
.
The problem….Weimar Germany, Post World War 1 France, Britain, Australia….and any time there has been a genocide, mass murder or ethnic cleansing…they first registered the guns to keep people safe….and then the murder started….
Who is talking about "registering" guns? Who is talking about "gun-grabbing"?
The only way for background checks for private sales to work is to register guns…otherwise both parties could deny the sale was made.
That is why they are pushing so hard for universal background checks even though criminals will get around them as easily as they get around current, federally mandated background checks.
Once they implement background checks, those checks will also fail to stop criminals and mass shooters…in fact mass shooters already either pass background checks or ignore them…….and once they have a good case where a criminal or mass shooter kills a lot of people even with the background checks, they will say…."Well obviously, universal background checks are going to fail to stop criminals and mass shooters if we don't have universal gun registration…."
Even if true, if any such guns were misused - the misusers would be severely prosecuted.
That happens now. And the fact is this…..felons do not have to register illegal guns….Haynes v. The United States in the Supreme Court made this constitutional law….
There is no need for a national data base….except to wait for the political will to ban certain or all models of guns….
Who is calling for a "national data base"?
