U.S. Police Chiefs Call For Background Checks For All Gun Purchases

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Tens of thousands try to illegally buy guns from dealers annually, study finds - Investigations

 

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Between 70,000 and 80,000 people are denied guns each year for providing false or inaccurate information on their background check forms, according to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System. TRAC data show that of those, only 170 were charged in 2012 with making false statements in order to acquire firearms or ammunition. (Overall, federal prosecutors rejected about four in ten firearm cases in 2012 because of “weak or insufficient admissible evidence,” the TRAC report says.)

But that is only half the picture. There is a misconception that the FBI is responsible for all background checks for gun purchases.

The fact is we don’t know how many people are prosecuted by state and local authorities for trying to illegally obtain a gun. But it’s a safe bet that they dwarf federal prosecutions.

Do We Enforce Our Gun Laws?

Bullshit. I've been a dealer for 10 years and never had someone prosecuted for attempting falsely to buy a gun.

I see your location is Nashville.

Chicago, Los Angeles, New York Prosecuted Fewest Federal Gun Crimes

While the districts that ranked lowest last year for federal gun crime prosecutions all contained major cities, the districts at the top of the list for its enforcement were almost exclusively rural. The districts of Southern Alaska, Kansas and Western Tennessee ranked first, second and third in prosecutions of federal weapons laws per capita last year.

 

[g5000]

Bullshit. I've been a dealer for 10 years and never had someone prosecuted for attempting falsely to buy a gun.

Sorry, but an anecdotal story is not evidence the facts are bullshit. It's just evidence you have no idea what you are talking about. There is more going on than what is happening in your little corner of the world.

Former metro nashville Police officer convicted of making false statements to a firearms dealer

During the attempted purchases, Morales, a Nashville police officer since September 2007, falsely represented on a Firearms Transaction Record, commonly known as a 4473 Form, that he was the actual buyer of handguns that were actually intended for Rojas-Lopez, who was illegally transporting guns to Guatemala.

 

[g5000]

So...background checks are preventing bad guys from buying guns. About 80,000 a year.

That's a pretty significant number.

You can be sure the Right would be all for it if those 80,000 were Mexicans, Muslims, gays, and blacks.

The federal government is weak on prosecuting the bad guys for trying to buy guns, but stopping them from buying a gun is a good start.

It is common sense this should be extended to gun shows.

 

[Contumacious]

So...background checks are preventing bad guys from buying guns. The federal government is weak on prosecuting the bad guys for trying to buy guns, but stopping them from buying a gun is a good start.

It is common sense this should be extended to gun shows.

Mr Dingle Berry,


Please identify by article section and clause the CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISO which authorizes the federal government to conduct background checks and to prosecute "bad guys" for trying to buy guns.

You miserable piece of shit.


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[g5000]

Since a felony is the biggest reason for failing a background check, it is probably a good guess that blacks are over-represented in the number of people turned away.

Isn't it funny that Fox News has never done an investigation to see if this is the case?

"We feel so conflicted!"

 

[Lonestar_logic]

This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world."

CHICAGO, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Police chiefs from across the United States called on Monday for universal background checks for firearms purchases, saying opinion polls consistently show that most Americans support such restrictions.

The proliferation of firearms is one of the factors behind a rise in homicide rates in many U.S. cities this year, according to senior law enforcement officials at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Chicago.

Acknowledging the power of the gun lobby and the reluctance of Congress to enact stricter gun laws, the police chiefs told a news conference they were not anti-gun but wanted to keep weapons out of the hands of people with criminal backgrounds.

Current rules on background checks apply to licensed dealers, but up to 40 percent of firearms sales involve private parties or gun shows and do not require checks, the chiefs said.

"This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world," Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said. "It troubles me all the time."

Backing the effort is an alliance of organizations representing police chiefs and executives, such as the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators.

McCarthy said he was passionate about the issue after four years on the job in Chicago, which has more shootings and killings than other big cities like New York and Los Angeles and where police seize illegal guns at a much higher rate.

The police leaders called for expansion of background checks to cover all gun purchases and for a stronger background check system to ensure all agencies share the same records including criminal and mental health backgrounds.

More: U.S. Police Chiefs Call For Background Checks For All Gun Purchases

So, the question becomes: Who knows best - the NRA gun nutters or U.S. police chiefs? I'm guessing that "the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators" know best.

There is already a law mandating background checks on gun purchases.

 

[g5000]

There is already a law mandating background checks on gun purchases.

Not at gun shows. Did you even read what you quoted?

Allow me to show you the relevant part:

Current rules on background checks apply to licensed dealers, but up to 40 percent of firearms sales involve private parties or gun shows and do not require checks, the chiefs said.

 

[Contumacious]

Since a felony is the biggest reason for failing a background check, it is probably a good guess that blacks are over-represented in the number of people turned away.

Isn't it funny that Fox News has never done an investigation to see if this is the case?

And since blacks are more than likely to be assigned a public "defender" (wink, wink) they will be "convicted" and will subsequently fail background checks.


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[Lonestar_logic]

There is already a law mandating background checks on gun purchases.

Not at gun shows. Did you even read what you quoted?

Allow me to show you the relevant part:

Current rules on background checks apply to licensed dealers, but up to 40 percent of firearms sales involve private parties or gun shows and do not require checks, the chiefs said.

You people are the dumbest I've ever seen. Putting more restrictions on law abiding citizens will not stop law breakers from acquiring guns.

 

[g5000]

So...background checks are preventing bad guys from buying guns. The federal government is weak on prosecuting the bad guys for trying to buy guns, but stopping them from buying a gun is a good start.

It is common sense this should be extended to gun shows.

Mr Dingle Berry,


Please identify by article section and clause the CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISO which authorizes the federal government to conduct background checks and to prosecute "bad guys" for trying to buy guns.

You miserable piece of shit.


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Dear Dumbass,

Even DC v. Heller said background checks are constitutional.

Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

 

[The Rabbi]

Between 70,000 and 80,000 people are denied guns each year for providing false or inaccurate information on their background check forms, according to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System. TRAC data show that of those, only 170 were charged in 2012 with making false statements in order to acquire firearms or ammunition. (Overall, federal prosecutors rejected about four in ten firearm cases in 2012 because of “weak or insufficient admissible evidence,” the TRAC report says.)

But that is only half the picture. There is a misconception that the FBI is responsible for all background checks for gun purchases.

The fact is we don’t know how many people are prosecuted by state and local authorities for trying to illegally obtain a gun. But it’s a safe bet that they dwarf federal prosecutions.

Do We Enforce Our Gun Laws?

Bullshit. I've been a dealer for 10 years and never had someone prosecuted for attempting falsely to buy a gun.

I see your location is Nashville.

Chicago, Los Angeles, New York Prosecuted Fewest Federal Gun Crimes

While the districts that ranked lowest last year for federal gun crime prosecutions all contained major cities, the districts at the top of the list for its enforcement were almost exclusively rural. The districts of Southern Alaska, Kansas and Western Tennessee ranked first, second and third in prosecutions of federal weapons laws per capita last year.

That isnt evidence of anything, dolt. It doesnt prove they are prosecuting people for attempted purchases. Only for "gun crimes" which is usually a felon in possession.
/fail.

 

[Lakhota]

It's difficult to have an honest and reasonable debate on gun control issues - when the rabid gun nutters are so dishonest in the debate.

 

[The Rabbi]

Bullshit. I've been a dealer for 10 years and never had someone prosecuted for attempting falsely to buy a gun.

Sorry, but an anecdotal story is not evidence the facts are bullshit. It's just evidence you have no idea what you are talking about. There is more going on than what is happening in your little corner of the world.

Former metro nashville Police officer convicted of making false statements to a firearms dealer

During the attempted purchases, Morales, a Nashville police officer since September 2007, falsely represented on a Firearms Transaction Record, commonly known as a 4473 Form, that he was the actual buyer of handguns that were actually intended for Rojas-Lopez, who was illegally transporting guns to Guatemala.

Read the article. It was a gun trafficking case because the actual buyer was shipping the guns to Guatemala.
And the incident is already 6 years old.
So yet another fail from one of the stupidest fuckers on this site.

 

[g5000]

There is already a law mandating background checks on gun purchases.

Not at gun shows. Did you even read what you quoted?

Allow me to show you the relevant part:

Current rules on background checks apply to licensed dealers, but up to 40 percent of firearms sales involve private parties or gun shows and do not require checks, the chiefs said.

You people are the dumbest I've ever seen. Putting more restrictions on law abiding citizens will not stop law breakers from acquiring guns.

First, I am pro-gun.

Second, you made a false statement in a topic in which police chiefs are calling for background checks at gun shows, which I corrected. The truth trumps bias. Don't be a sore loser and start making assumptions.

 

[The Rabbi]

There is already a law mandating background checks on gun purchases.

Not at gun shows. Did you even read what you quoted?

Allow me to show you the relevant part:

Current rules on background checks apply to licensed dealers, but up to 40 percent of firearms sales involve private parties or gun shows and do not require checks, the chiefs said.

There is already a law mandating background checks on purchases from licensed dealers. Private citizens are not required, in fact not allowed, to do background checks on purchases. Gun shows have nothing to do with it

 

[Contumacious]

So...background checks are preventing bad guys from buying guns. The federal government is weak on prosecuting the bad guys for trying to buy guns, but stopping them from buying a gun is a good start.

It is common sense this should be extended to gun shows.

Mr Dingle Berry,


Please identify by article section and clause the CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISO which authorizes the federal government to conduct background checks and to prosecute "bad guys" for trying to buy guns.

You miserable piece of shit.


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Dear Dumbass,

Even DC v. Heller said background checks are constitutional.

Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

I did not ask about SCOTUS rulings?

My question is what does the CONSTITUTION (1787) authorize?!?!?!?!?!?


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[g5000]

Bullshit. I've been a dealer for 10 years and never had someone prosecuted for attempting falsely to buy a gun.

Sorry, but an anecdotal story is not evidence the facts are bullshit. It's just evidence you have no idea what you are talking about. There is more going on than what is happening in your little corner of the world.

Former metro nashville Police officer convicted of making false statements to a firearms dealer

During the attempted purchases, Morales, a Nashville police officer since September 2007, falsely represented on a Firearms Transaction Record, commonly known as a 4473 Form, that he was the actual buyer of handguns that were actually intended for Rojas-Lopez, who was illegally transporting guns to Guatemala.

Read the article. It was a gun trafficking case because the actual buyer was shipping the guns to Guatemala.
And the incident is already 6 years old.
So yet another fail from one of the stupidest fuckers on this site.

You said you have been a dealer for 10 years. That story is well within the time frame YOU CHOSE. I bet you didn't expect me to find an actual example where you live, did you. Don't be all sore now.

The cop was attempting to falsely buy a gun. Parameters YOU CHOSE.

I don't know why your panties are getting in a bunch over the fact 80,000 people a year are turned away due to background checks. No matter how many times you cry "bullshit", it is still the truth.

 

[Brain357]

It's difficult to have an honest and reasonable debate on gun control issues - when the rabid gun nutters are so dishonest in the debate.

And most of them are gun dealers.

 

[g5000]

So...background checks are preventing bad guys from buying guns. The federal government is weak on prosecuting the bad guys for trying to buy guns, but stopping them from buying a gun is a good start.

It is common sense this should be extended to gun shows.

Mr Dingle Berry,


Please identify by article section and clause the CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISO which authorizes the federal government to conduct background checks and to prosecute "bad guys" for trying to buy guns.

You miserable piece of shit.


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Dear Dumbass,

Even DC v. Heller said background checks are constitutional.

Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

I did not ask about SCOTUS rulings?

My question is what does the CONSTITUTION (1787) authorize?!?!?!?!?!?


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I did better than what you asked. Rather than provide my opinion, I provided the authorities on the subject.

The authorities on the Constitution say background checks are constitutional. Not only that, I cited a decision that is highly touted by pro-gun people as being a win.

If that is not good enough for you, then you are even more retarded than you sound.