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80,000 attempted gun buyers were turned away in 2012 due to background checks.Background checks for purchases is like erecting an 8 foot high chainlink fence to keep birds enclosed.
At least 2 of the recent mass shooters used weapons parents bought for them.
To date, NICS queries of criminal databases have resulted in 1,065,090 denials, with 88,479 in 2012 alone.
To date, NICS queries of criminal databases have resulted in 1,065,090 denials, with 88,479 in 2012 alone.
NICS 15th Anniversary: Stats Show Success of Gun Background Check System
I want my ObamaGun motherfucker!
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Actually they are. NYC's laws are already unconstitutional, until they are fixed not one more law.
Serious question: What is so restrictive about NYC gun laws?
This is the process to get a handgun.
Getting A NYC Handgun Permit | New York City Guns
And you think New York would be safer if handguns were simply sold over the counter like a loaf of bread or a pair of trousers?
As a law abiding citizen I should be able to purchase a handgun after a instant background check, and get a CCW with a few days after getting some quick training and another background check. Not 3-8 months of waiting and some NYPD idiot deciding if I am worthy or not.
A lovely sentiment from a man who never fought a day in his life and had legions of slaves to work his land for him.
This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world."
CHICAGO, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Police chiefs from across the United States called on Monday for universal background checks for firearms purchases, saying opinion polls consistently show that most Americans support such restrictions.
The proliferation of firearms is one of the factors behind a rise in homicide rates in many U.S. cities this year, according to senior law enforcement officials at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Chicago.
Acknowledging the power of the gun lobby and the reluctance of Congress to enact stricter gun laws, the police chiefs told a news conference they were not anti-gun but wanted to keep weapons out of the hands of people with criminal backgrounds.
Current rules on background checks apply to licensed dealers, but up to 40 percent of firearms sales involve private parties or gun shows and do not require checks, the chiefs said.
"This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world," Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said. "It troubles me all the time."
Backing the effort is an alliance of organizations representing police chiefs and executives, such as the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators.
McCarthy said he was passionate about the issue after four years on the job in Chicago, which has more shootings and killings than other big cities like New York and Los Angeles and where police seize illegal guns at a much higher rate.
The police leaders called for expansion of background checks to cover all gun purchases and for a stronger background check system to ensure all agencies share the same records including criminal and mental health backgrounds.
More: U.S. Police Chiefs Call For Background Checks For All Gun Purchases
So, the question becomes: Who knows best - the NRA gun nutters or U.S. police chiefs? I'm guessing that "the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators" know best.
Even the NRA chief Wayne commited his support for universal background checks. Until he didn't.
Its a no brainer. No one, right or left, wants criminals getting guns. Background checks help prevent this.
Again, it's because we don't trust them to stop there.
"Again, it's because we don't trust them to stop there."
So, you think the never-give-an-inch approach is the best way to protect our gun rights? .
Tyrants don't give a shit about rights. They have always decided what rights , if any, WE THE PEOPLE will have.
Let the motherfuckers attempt to confiscate
And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure.
Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, Paris, 13 Nov. 1787[2]
Actually they are. NYC's laws are already unconstitutional, until they are fixed not one more law.
Serious question: What is so restrictive about NYC gun laws?
This is the process to get a handgun.
Getting A NYC Handgun Permit | New York City Guns
And you think New York would be safer if handguns were simply sold over the counter like a loaf of bread or a pair of trousers?
As a law abiding citizen I should be able to purchase a handgun after a instant background check, and get a CCW with a few days after getting some quick training and another background check. Not 3-8 months of waiting and some NYPD idiot deciding if I am worthy or not.
So you support closing the loopholes in the background check laws.
The police chiefs and their supporters are correct. Background checks need to be complete, thorough and encompass all the US, in addition no one should be exempt -include gun show sales and sales and transfers between individuals. This will cost money, this will make some people mad but so be it if this is what it takes to get a handle on gun purchases, registrations and licensing.
As far as your comment about "NRA Gun-nutters" you are wrong. The membership supports efficient and effective registration with the intent of keeping weapons out of the hands of those who shouldn't have them. If there is any wrongness being done here it is YOU and the Congress for not seeing what is right and having the 'moral courage' to act without grandstanding.
It's sadly funny when gun nutters try to act smarter than nationwide police officials. If gun nutters simply allowed "universal background checks" - this debate could end. What's the problem?
This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world."
CHICAGO, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Police chiefs from across the United States called on Monday for universal background checks for firearms purchases, saying opinion polls consistently show that most Americans support such restrictions.
The proliferation of firearms is one of the factors behind a rise in homicide rates in many U.S. cities this year, according to senior law enforcement officials at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Chicago.
Acknowledging the power of the gun lobby and the reluctance of Congress to enact stricter gun laws, the police chiefs told a news conference they were not anti-gun but wanted to keep weapons out of the hands of people with criminal backgrounds.
Current rules on background checks apply to licensed dealers, but up to 40 percent of firearms sales involve private parties or gun shows and do not require checks, the chiefs said.
"This is a no-brainer, this is the simplest thing in the world," Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said. "It troubles me all the time."
Backing the effort is an alliance of organizations representing police chiefs and executives, such as the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators.
McCarthy said he was passionate about the issue after four years on the job in Chicago, which has more shootings and killings than other big cities like New York and Los Angeles and where police seize illegal guns at a much higher rate.
The police leaders called for expansion of background checks to cover all gun purchases and for a stronger background check system to ensure all agencies share the same records including criminal and mental health backgrounds.
More: U.S. Police Chiefs Call For Background Checks For All Gun Purchases
So, the question becomes: Who knows best - the NRA gun nutters or U.S. police chiefs? I'm guessing that "the Major Cities Chiefs Association and groups representing women, Hispanic and African-American law enforcement executives and police chiefs, as well as campus law enforcement administrators" know best.
In other news: Scientists discover radium is a nutritious part of every breakfast.Americans would be safer if the police forces were abolished.
It's sadly funny when gun nutters try to act smarter than nationwide police officials. If gun nutters simply allowed "universal background checks" - this debate could end. What's the problem?
I am for mandatory insurance as well... Why should taxpayers pick up all of the $229bn cost each year.
We x trillion debt and we are subsidizing gun owners, stop the freeloaders.
How many of those were erroneous? How many actual felons managed to get guns some other way? How many felons attempting to purchase were prosecuted by ATF?80,000 attempted gun buyers were turned away in 2012 due to background checks.Background checks for purchases is like erecting an 8 foot high chainlink fence to keep birds enclosed.
At least 2 of the recent mass shooters used weapons parents bought for them.
In other news: Scientists discover radium is a nutritious part of every breakfast.Americans would be safer if the police forces were abolished.
5% were repealed.How many of those were erroneous? How many actual felons managed to get guns some other way? How many felons attempting to purchase were prosecuted by ATF?80,000 attempted gun buyers were turned away in 2012 due to background checks.Background checks for purchases is like erecting an 8 foot high chainlink fence to keep birds enclosed.
At least 2 of the recent mass shooters used weapons parents bought for them.
Between 70,000 and 80,000 people are denied guns each year for providing false or inaccurate information on their background check forms, according to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System. TRAC data show that of those, only 170 were charged in 2012 with making false statements in order to acquire firearms or ammunition. (Overall, federal prosecutors rejected about four in ten firearm cases in 2012 because of “weak or insufficient admissible evidence,” the TRAC report says.)
But that is only half the picture. There is a misconception that the FBI is responsible for all background checks for gun purchases.
The fact is we don’t know how many people are prosecuted by state and local authorities for trying to illegally obtain a gun. But it’s a safe bet that they dwarf federal prosecutions.
You spew unsupported garbage.5% were repealed.How many of those were erroneous? How many actual felons managed to get guns some other way? How many felons attempting to purchase were prosecuted by ATF?80,000 attempted gun buyers were turned away in 2012 due to background checks.Background checks for purchases is like erecting an 8 foot high chainlink fence to keep birds enclosed.
At least 2 of the recent mass shooters used weapons parents bought for them.
Only a few dozen of the 80,000 were prosecuted at the federal level.
You're welcome.
Bullshit. I've been a dealer for 10 years and never had someone prosecuted for attempting falsely to buy a gun.Between 70,000 and 80,000 people are denied guns each year for providing false or inaccurate information on their background check forms, according to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System. TRAC data show that of those, only 170 were charged in 2012 with making false statements in order to acquire firearms or ammunition. (Overall, federal prosecutors rejected about four in ten firearm cases in 2012 because of “weak or insufficient admissible evidence,” the TRAC report says.)
But that is only half the picture. There is a misconception that the FBI is responsible for all background checks for gun purchases.
The fact is we don’t know how many people are prosecuted by state and local authorities for trying to illegally obtain a gun. But it’s a safe bet that they dwarf federal prosecutions.
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