Unsealed Trump Search Warrant - Trump had classified Documents

[Rigby5]

Please read your own citation (edited for clarity)
That's 3% of all federal records, such as from the EPA, and all other federal agency. But the papers of the president are covered by the presidential records act, which preserves nearly 100% of presidential documents, which it puts into a presidential library.

Wrong.
No classified documents can be put into a presidential library normally, so have to be destroyed instead.

 

[Rigby5]

You are just making shit up as you go along

No, it is very clear, presidents have totally classification discretion, over anything while president.
So then they are still theirs to own or keep after office.

 

[meaner gene]

The search does not at all verify whether or not the person testifying for the search warrant was lying or not.

If you do not like your neighbor and claim to the police they are smoking pot, if the search then finds pot, it is still an illegal search and the neighbor can not be prosecuted.
Does not matter if the find matches the search warrant or not.

You couldn't be more wrong.

If a neighbor swears under penalty of perjury that they witnessed you smoking or possessing pot (or any other illegal object, such a felon with a firearm), and a warrant is issued to gather evidence of that crime.

A) No evidence is found - Anything taken due to the warrant is an illegal search. The person swearing the affidavit can be prosecuted for perjury. (see the police in the Breanna Taylor case as an example)

B) They find what was in the warrant. The warrant is 100% valid, and any materials taken, including not in the warrant but in plain sight, are legal evidence.

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong again

The Nations Secrets are not his personal property and he must protect them like anyone else

Mara Largo is a secure fortress, so no one can claim the basement would be easily stolen from.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Or maybe we just understand that democracy doesn’t mean we vote on rights.

That used to be the understanding – but that’s no longer the case.

There was a time when our rights and protected liberties were indeed protected; safeguarded by the Constitution and its case law from the capricious, subjective whims of the voters and politicians.

Now our rights and liberties are no longer protected – whether one has his rights or not will be determined by the voters and politicians motivated by their ignorance, fear, racism, bigotry, and hate.

 

[rightwinger]

No, it is very clear, presidents have totally classification discretion, over anything while president.
So then they are still theirs to own or keep after office.

Ex Presidents have NONE

If Trump wants to change the classification of information, he must do so officially and for ALL Documents containing that information.

Trump did not do that

 

[Rigby5]

You couldn't be more wrong.

If a neighbor swears under penalty of perjury that they witnessed you smoking or possessing pot (or any other illegal object, such a felon with a firearm), and a warrant is issued to gather evidence of that crime.

A) No evidence is found - Anything taken due to the warrant is an illegal search. The person swearing the affidavit can be prosecuted for perjury. (see the police in the Breanna Taylor case as an example)

B) They find what was in the warrant. The warrant is 100% valid, and any materials taken, including not in the warrant but in plain sight, are legal evidence.

Wrong.
If pot was found, but it was later proven the testimony was made up, then the neighbor is released and the testifying witness jailed.
The warrant is NOT at all valid if based on deliberate lies.
Whether or not the things claimed are actually found or not, does not at all change the fact the warrant is invalid if based on deliberate lies.

 

[rightwinger]

Mara Largo is a secure fortress, so no one can claim the basement would be easily stolen from.

Mara Lago is a resort for the wealthy.
It’s guests include Foreign Nationals and unsecured guests and staff.

A basement is NOT a Classified safe and is not adequate to protect Top Secret information

 

[meaner gene]

It is totally up to Trump what he wants as personal vs destined for National Archives.
The whole point of the National Archies, if you bothered reading up on them, is retaining historical documents with things of significance, like signatures.
The National Archives is not allowed any classified documents at all, and all personal communications are the property of the person who created them, and at their discretion.

You bounce between partial truths and total lies.

The president doesn't make the decision over personal vs national archive property. The President retaining anything they think is personal, has to give a list of those items to the National Archives, who then make the determination, not the president.

In the Clintons case, items of donated furniture was deemed to be of a personal nature, but was still government property, and had to be purchased from the national archives.

And as far as classified documents, their ISOO office is in charge of classified information. So if a curator find classified information in a collection they received, guess where they send it? To the National Archives.

Boom goes the dynamite.

 

[Rigby5]

Ex Presidents have NONE

If Trump wants to change the classification of information, he must do so officially and for ALL Documents containing that information.

Trump did not do that

Wrong.
Declassifying documents is in order to allow others to have them without repercussion.
But no president has to declassify anything for their own access.
They are the ultimate arbitrator.
They have to be able to read anything, so that they can then classify or declassify them.

 

[meaner gene]

About the only way Trump could have violated the law is if he took all copies of something, so that it would no longer be available to later presidents.

Sandy Burglar ring a bell?

Now admit you know NOTHING about what you're talking about.

 

[meaner gene]

Whether or not the things claimed are actually found or not, does not at all change the fact the warrant is invalid if based on deliberate lies.

If what the person swore to, turns out to be TRUE, how is the warrant based on a LIE?

This is where heads start to spin, since you're completely failed logic.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Abortion isn't a right. Idiot.

No one said it was.

But there is a right to privacy – and within the right to privacy the state cannot compel a woman to give birth against her will.

That an activist, dishonest conservative Supreme Court with contempt for settled, accepted precedent has abandoned defending the right to privacy doesn’t mean the right no longer exists, it means the right to privacy will be defended by the political process, rather than the judicial.

 

[rightwinger]

Wrong.
Declassifying documents is in order to allow others to have them without repercussion.
But no president has to declassify anything for their own access.
They are the ultimate arbitrator.
They have to be able to read anything, so that they can then classify or declassify them.

Doesn’t work like that

Trumpites are using Classification as an excuse not to store documents properly.

Classification relates to national security. Top Secret means it will cause great harm if our enemy gets it.

If Trump declassifies Top Secret information he is approving its release to our enemies

 

[Rigby5]

Mara Lago is a resort for the wealthy.
It’s guests include Foreign Nationals and unsecured guests and staff.

A basement is NOT a Classified safe and is not adequate to protect Top Secret information

Wrong.
Trump's estate within the Mara Lago resort, is secure.
Its basement is adequate protection for Top Secret information.
And most of the secure information quickly went obsolete, so we are not being told any details that would allow us to even know.

 

[meaner gene]

Wrong.
If pot was found, but it was later proven the testimony was made up, then the neighbor is released and the testifying witness jailed.
The warrant is NOT at all valid if based on deliberate lies.

That would be true if the person was never in the persons home, but swore under penalty of perjury that they were in the persons home, and saw the person in possession of the illegal objects in question.

But that is clearly not the case here. Somebody who had access to Trumps boxes, swore an affidavit to their contents.

The person would have had to prove he had access as part of affidavit validation. And finding the items he swore to, proves he was truthful about that part of the affidavit too.

Affidavit verified. Warrant verified. Search verified.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If your are going to try and hang Trump for mishandling classified material you must also do the same for Clinton, but you loons won't do that because you are all hypocrites.

References to President Obama and Hilary Clinton – deflections.

Presidents can de-classify documents through verbal authorization only – willful ignorance.

That Trump ‘de-classified’ the documents means he’s in no legal jeopardy – a lie.

Conservatives are as predictable as they are dishonest – they fill the thread with deflections, lies, and willful ignorance.

 

[Rigby5]

You bounce between partial truths and total lies.

The president doesn't make the decision over personal vs national archive property. The President retaining anything they think is personal, has to give a list of those items to the National Archives, who then make the determination, not the president.

In the Clintons case, items of donated furniture was deemed to be of a personal nature, but was still government property, and had to be purchased from the national archives.

And as far as classified documents, their ISOO office is in charge of classified information. So if a curator find classified information in a collection they received, guess where they send it? To the National Archives.

Boom goes the dynamite.

Wrong.
Personal property is not under any National Archies jurisdiction at all, in any way.
Nor would the National Archives have the ability or knowledge to be able to differentiate.

Furniture donated to the presidency would have to be purchased, but not if donated directly to the person who was president.

No, the ISOO office is NOT in charge of classified information.
The President IS.
Classified information is sent to the National Archives only to be destroyed.

 

[rightwinger]

Wrong.
Trump's estate within the Mara Lago resort, is secure.
Its basement is adequate protection for Top Secret information.
And most of the secure information quickly went obsolete, so we are not being told any details that would allow us to even know.

No, a basement room is not adequate protection for Top Secret information

It must be controlled and stored in a safe

If it is obsolete, it is officially declassified as such
This information had current TS status

 

[BS Filter]

No one said it was.

But there is a right to privacy – and within the right to privacy the state cannot compel a woman to give birth against her will.

That an activist, dishonestwho conservative Supreme Court with contempt for settled, accepted precedent has abandoned defending the right to privacy doesn’t mean the right no longer exists, it means the right to privacy will be defended by the political process, rather than the judicial.

Who says the right to privacy means you can kill your unborn child?