USA's "gun problem"

[2aguy]

No it's not.....these byzantine gun laws created to ensnare honest, law abiding citizens are no different than speed traps....the consequences are just 100 times worse than a traffic ticket.....

Why does Cato say they are felons?

Cato doesn't in 5,000 cases they found 12 where actual criminals were defending themselves.........

I quoted where they say felons. Read your own links.

link again.....

It's your own link and I quoted it today.

I don't see it and I scanned several....

 

[Brain357]

Why does Cato say they are felons?

Cato doesn't in 5,000 cases they found 12 where actual criminals were defending themselves.........

I quoted where they say felons. Read your own links.

link again.....

It's your own link and I quoted it today.

I don't see it and I scanned several....

You should really read your own links.

 

[2aguy]

There is a selection bias problem with the method of gathering news stories. Many defensive gun uses never make the news. Sometimes that is because the person us- ing a gun in self-defense saw no need to call the police—he or she scared off the bad guy. In some cases, the victim might not want to explain to the police that he has a gun, perhaps because he is a felon, or perhaps because he lives in a jurisdiction with very restrictive gun control laws. Sometimes the police do get called, but the officers do not find the circumstances sufficiently impor- tant to issue a press release. After all, “Man Scares away Burglar, No Shots Fired” is not particularly newsworthy, unless you live in a very small town.

In spite of the selection bias problem, there is one enormous advantage to this model of gathering data: it provides a rich set of information about motives, circum- stances, victims, and criminals. It also pro- vides a sufficiently large database (almost 5,000 incidents), randomly selected, so that some conclusions about the nature of armed self-defense in America can be drawn. Best of all, whatever the deficiencies of news reporting, the model is not completely de- pendent on the honesty or accuracy of the respondent—unlike some of the questions raised with respect to defensive gun use sur- veys.

Do you mean this.......and if so...they don't even come close to saying that these people are felons.....

Many defensive gun uses never make the news. Sometimes that is because the person us- ing a gun in self-defense saw no need to call the police—he or she scared off the bad guy. In some cases, the victim might not want to explain to the police that he has a gun, perhaps because he is a felon,

They are pointing out that if felons use guns they aren't going to report their gun use to the police, and the stories won't be in the news and they won't be in the collection of 5,000 news stories they reviewed.........is that what you meant.....and that is why I didn't see it at first....it made no sense with what you were saying.....

 

[PGreen]

You're so wrong. America has gun problem, and the situation is extremely out of control. It seems like the US is at war, and that the state of being at war allows one to shoot other persons.

 

[2aguy]

You're so wrong. America has gun problem, and the situation is extremely out of control. It seems like the US is at war, and that the state of being at war allows one to shoot other persons.

No...we have an inner city gang problem.......fix that and the gun problem goes away.....

 

[RayneWooney]

Stop holding the gun industry's water, this is a gun problem.

In the UK, we have almost zero guns, and almost zero gun murder.

And stop with your bullshit "more violent crime" argument. I'd much rather be raped or mugged than shot. Rape lasts two seconds, death is permanent.

 

[Brain357]

There is a selection bias problem with the method of gathering news stories. Many defensive gun uses never make the news. Sometimes that is because the person us- ing a gun in self-defense saw no need to call the police—he or she scared off the bad guy. In some cases, the victim might not want to explain to the police that he has a gun, perhaps because he is a felon, or perhaps because he lives in a jurisdiction with very restrictive gun control laws. Sometimes the police do get called, but the officers do not find the circumstances sufficiently impor- tant to issue a press release. After all, “Man Scares away Burglar, No Shots Fired” is not particularly newsworthy, unless you live in a very small town.

In spite of the selection bias problem, there is one enormous advantage to this model of gathering data: it provides a rich set of information about motives, circum- stances, victims, and criminals. It also pro- vides a sufficiently large database (almost 5,000 incidents), randomly selected, so that some conclusions about the nature of armed self-defense in America can be drawn. Best of all, whatever the deficiencies of news reporting, the model is not completely de- pendent on the honesty or accuracy of the respondent—unlike some of the questions raised with respect to defensive gun use sur- veys.

Do you mean this.......and if so...they don't even come close to saying that these people are felons.....

Many defensive gun uses never make the news. Sometimes that is because the person us- ing a gun in self-defense saw no need to call the police—he or she scared off the bad guy. In some cases, the victim might not want to explain to the police that he has a gun, perhaps because he is a felon,

They are pointing out that if felons use guns they aren't going to report their gun use to the police, and the stories won't be in the news and they won't be in the collection of 5,000 news stories they reviewed.........is that what you meant.....and that is why I didn't see it at first....it made no sense with what you were saying.....

The clearly think some defenders are felons.

 

[PredFan]

Stupid gun grabbers, they never learn.

 

[2aguy]

Stop holding the gun industry's water, this is a gun problem.

In the UK, we have almost zero guns, and almost zero gun murder.

And stop with your bullshit "more violent crime" argument. I'd much rather be raped or mugged than shot. Rape lasts two seconds, death is permanent.

Sorry, your criminals can get guns if they want or need them....because you guys are from peasent/serf stock and upbringing and you allow your betters the monopoly on the use of force, your criminals don't tend to use guns that often....but like Puerto Rico, another Island nation, which has stricter gun controls than the rest of the United States, they have the highest gun murder rate in the world......if your criminals decide to use guns, you gun laws won't stop them.......

Just ask the French, the Belgians, the Australians, the Canadians and the people of Denmark.....

 

[RayneWooney]

Stop holding the gun industry's water, this is a gun problem.

In the UK, we have almost zero guns, and almost zero gun murder.

And stop with your bullshit "more violent crime" argument. I'd much rather be raped or mugged than shot. Rape lasts two seconds, death is permanent.

Sorry, your criminals can get guns if they want or need them....because you guys are from peasent/serf stock and upbringing and you allow your betters the monopoly on the use of force, your criminals don't tend to use guns that often....but like Puerto Rico, another Island nation, which has stricter gun controls than the rest of the United States, they have the highest gun murder rate in the world......if you criminals decide to use guns, you gun laws won't stop them.......

Puerto Rico is part of your imperialist empire, you fucking retard.

And fuck your "peasant insult." We are more free than you are. We don;t have the NSA in the UK. AND we are much safer too. But the point is, your guns don;t make you free. Gun free countries like New Zealand and Norway are ranked as MUCH freer than Murica'

 

[2aguy]

Hmmm...isn't it time to work the Lord's land......take a knee as you were....say no more..........

 

[2aguy]

I enjoyed watching the British people standing around as those 2 guys chopped off the head of that poor soldier.....yes.....British gun control actually worked that day......not one citizen was carrying a gun to save that young man's life..........yay British gun control......

 

[RayneWooney]

Hmmm...isn't it time to work the Lord's land......take a knee as you were....say no more..........

LOL which country has the NSA, and Wall street running small business out of town. Not the UK.

And if we want to talk things that happened 600 years ago, then why not talk about how your ancestors massacred Native Americans, kept slaves, and white indentured servants, and hanged witches

 

[RayneWooney]

I enjoyed watching the British people standing around as those 2 guys chopped off the head of that poor soldier.....yes.....British gun control actually worked that day......not one citizen was carrying a gun to save that young man's life..........yay British gun control......

I loved how the NRA gun nuts stopped Newtown or Columbine.

 

[2aguy]

Hmmm...isn't it time to work the Lord's land......take a knee as you were....say no more..........

LOL which country has the NSA, and Wall street running small business out of town. Not the UK.

And if we want to talk things that happened 600 years ago, then why not talk about how your ancestors massacred Native Americans, kept slaves, and white indentured servants, and hanged witches

Uhhh....you guys brought the slaves here and actually took the land from the Indians...dipstick.....and witch hanging started in England....dipstick.........we have to keep cleaning up your messes.....and then you guys bitch about it........

 

[2aguy]

I enjoyed watching the British people standing around as those 2 guys chopped off the head of that poor soldier.....yes.....British gun control actually worked that day......not one citizen was carrying a gun to save that young man's life..........yay British gun control......

I loved how the NRA gun nuts stopped Newtown or Columbine.

Dipstick.......Newton and Columbine were legally created and police enforced "Gun Free Zones" .......your gun control worked.....not one law abiding citizen had a gun on them when the killers....with guns.....came in and killed people.....don't worry.....your muslim population will teach you all about gun free zones one of these days.....

 

[2aguy]

Hmmm...isn't it time to work the Lord's land......take a knee as you were....say no more..........

LOL which country has the NSA, and Wall street running small business out of town. Not the UK.

And if we want to talk things that happened 600 years ago, then why not talk about how your ancestors massacred Native Americans, kept slaves, and white indentured servants, and hanged witches

Sorry....it is lefties who tax, fine and fee the small business man out of town........this coming from a socialist......

 

[2aguy]

Stop holding the gun industry's water, this is a gun problem.

In the UK, we have almost zero guns, and almost zero gun murder.

And stop with your bullshit "more violent crime" argument. I'd much rather be raped or mugged than shot. Rape lasts two seconds, death is permanent.

You probably vacation in Sweden....the rape capitol of Europe..............

 

[2aguy]

Hmmm...isn't it time to work the Lord's land......take a knee as you were....say no more..........

LOL which country has the NSA, and Wall street running small business out of town. Not the UK.

And if we want to talk things that happened 600 years ago, then why not talk about how your ancestors massacred Native Americans, kept slaves, and white indentured servants, and hanged witches

Dipstick.....you guys brought witch burning over here...and did a lot more of it.....

Death by burning - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


Burning of three witches in Baden (1585), painted by Johann Jakob Wick
Burning was used by Christians during the witch-hunts of Europe. The penal code known as the Constitutio Criminalis Carolina (1532) decreed that sorcery throughout the Holy Roman Empire should be treated as a criminal offence, and if it purported to inflict injury upon any person the witch was to be burnt at the stake. In 1572, Augustus, Elector of Saxony imposed the penalty of burning for witchcraft of every kind, including simple fortunetelling.[59] From the latter half of the 18th century, the number of "9 million witches burned in Europe" has been bandied about in popular accounts/media, but has never had a following among specialist researchers.[60]

Today, based on meticulous study of trial records, ecclesiastical and inquisitorial registers and so on, as well as on the utilization of modern statistical methods, the specialist research community on witchcraft has reached an agreement for roughly 40,000–50,000 people executed for witchcraft in Europe in total,[61] and by no means all of them executed by being burned alive.

Furthermore, it is solidly established that the peak period of witch-hunts was the century 1550–1650, with a slow increase preceding it, from the 15th century onwards, as well a sharp drop postceding it, witch hunts having basically fizzled out by the first half of the 18th century.[62]

 

[2aguy]

I enjoyed watching the British people standing around as those 2 guys chopped off the head of that poor soldier.....yes.....British gun control actually worked that day......not one citizen was carrying a gun to save that young man's life..........yay British gun control......

I loved how the NRA gun nuts stopped Newtown or Columbine.

Rayne.....look....we got off to a bad start......what say we start over and try to be polite to each other....I apologize for coming on so strong.......long day....