Waffle House shooting, at least 4 killed

[EvilCat Breath]

That is why we need a Federal background check!

Thanks for that.

we have federal background checks......do you people ever do any basic research?

Then explain why he was allowed to get his guns back in Tenn.

Because the cops in DC gave them to the kids father and the kid's father gave them back to his schizo son

So they all failed. Where was the Federal background check? If it was in place he should have never had a gun again.

The father had the guns, no background check was needed for illegally giving the shooter his guns...he couldn't have the guns...and had the Secret Service arrested him and the FBI arrested him or the local cops arrested him, he would have been flagged......

Obviously, this was a deep state op that went bad. Democrats got a nutcase, filled him full of drugs and sent him to assassinate the president. He failed. Then he went off the rails and shot up a waffle house.

 

[OKTexas]

I don't carry and make it home every day. Stop being so scared.

Tell that to the dead at Waffle House.

And the shooter was armed because of our weak gun laws and stopped by somebody who wrestled the gun away. That would happen more often with less high capacity magazines.

he obtained them illegally, you little lying statist.
There is a reason his dad will mostly likely get charged for this.

Wrong, see post 553


.

 

[2aguy]

It is quite clearly in reference to a militia.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It sure doesn't mention self defense....

If the 2nd amendment only pertains to a militia, why did the Supreme Court rule the DC handgun ban unconstitutional (and thus illegal) and cited the 2nd amendment as an individual right to keep and bear arms as the reason for their decision?

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER

The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

brain is a troll...he has seen your point over and over and still posts the crap he posts...

 

[TNHarley]

I don't carry and make it home every day. Stop being so scared.

Tell that to the dead at Waffle House.

And the shooter was armed because of our weak gun laws and stopped by somebody who wrestled the gun away. That would happen more often with less high capacity magazines.

he obtained them illegally, you little lying statist.
There is a reason his dad will mostly likely get charged for this.

Wrong, see post 553


.

thanks for the update!

 

[KissMy]

100,000 US citizens shot every year just so 333 criminals get killed.

So tell me why do you insist that a criminal get killed in a defensive gun use?

How many crimes are prevented by a person with a firearm where not one shot is fired or where the piece of shit criminal doesn't die?

A fictitious poll is not reality! Gun Nuts lie to pollsters claiming their gun saved them (~0.06% of those polled), but no one who actually used a gun to prevent an attack will claim they didn't.

Yeah...except no...42 years of research by both private and government researchers, with the most famous studies conducted by anti gun researchers say you don't know what you are talking about...

There were not over 500,000 killed per year when guns were restricted, So guns do not save that many! In reality guns save 333 while shooting 100,000

What are you even talking about.......here is the research of over 42 years....most recently analyzed by the CDC in 2013 under orders from obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

LOL !!! - There are only around 1 million violent crimes a year in the USA & these fictional word salads claim guns were used to defend 3.6 million??? LOL !!!

 

[Skull Pilot]

So tell me why do you insist that a criminal get killed in a defensive gun use?

How many crimes are prevented by a person with a firearm where not one shot is fired or where the piece of shit criminal doesn't die?

A fictitious poll is not reality! Gun Nuts lie to pollsters claiming their gun saved them (~0.06% of those polled), but no one who actually used a gun to prevent an attack will claim they didn't.

Yeah...except no...42 years of research by both private and government researchers, with the most famous studies conducted by anti gun researchers say you don't know what you are talking about...

There were not over 500,000 killed per year when guns were restricted, So guns do not save that many! In reality guns save 333 while shooting 100,000

What are you even talking about.......here is the research of over 42 years....most recently analyzed by the CDC in 2013 under orders from obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

LOL !!! - There are only around 1 million violent crimes a year in the USA & these fictional word salads claim guns were used to defend 3.5 million??? LOL !!!

If the crime was prevented it was not a violent crime now was it?

 

[2aguy]

So tell me why do you insist that a criminal get killed in a defensive gun use?

How many crimes are prevented by a person with a firearm where not one shot is fired or where the piece of shit criminal doesn't die?

A fictitious poll is not reality! Gun Nuts lie to pollsters claiming their gun saved them (~0.06% of those polled), but no one who actually used a gun to prevent an attack will claim they didn't.

Yeah...except no...42 years of research by both private and government researchers, with the most famous studies conducted by anti gun researchers say you don't know what you are talking about...

There were not over 500,000 killed per year when guns were restricted, So guns do not save that many! In reality guns save 333 while shooting 100,000

What are you even talking about.......here is the research of over 42 years....most recently analyzed by the CDC in 2013 under orders from obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

LOL !!! - There are only around 1 million violent crimes a year in the USA & these fictional word salads claim guns were used to defend 3.5 million??? LOL !!!

You do realize that the Department of Justice and the CDC both did separate studies to get their results..right? That the researchers doing the studies were anti gun, Right? And the President at the time was anti gun...right?

And, genius......if people are using their guns to stop violent criminal attack.....that is why there aren't even more violent crimes......you realize that...right?

 

[OKTexas]

You know, instead of arguing about race why don't you guys actually discuss something that is pertinent to this event?

One of the things that disturbs me about this is that he got enough attention from the police that they took away his guns.

A while later, authorities gave the guns back to the shooter's father, who then gave the guns to the shooter.

So much for gun regulations being followed.

You got a link? Not that I don't believe you, but I haven't seen any details at all.

Here ya go.......................

Tennessee Waffle House shooting suspect may be armed, police say - CNN

Suspect was once arrested near White House
In July 2017, the United States Secret Service arrested Reinking for being in a restricted area near the White House in Washington, police said.
Authorities in Tazewell County, Illinois, and the FBI interviewed Reinking, Aaron said. At the FBI's request, Reinking's Illinois firearms authorization was revoked, and four weapons -- including the AR-15 used in the Sunday's shooting -- were seized, Aaron said.
Tazwell County authorities later returned the guns to Reinking's father, who acknowledged giving them back to his son, Aaron said.

That is why we need a Federal background check!

Thanks for that.

we have federal background checks......do you people ever do any basic research?

Then explain why he was allowed to get his guns back in Tenn.

They were his, and there was no law against it.


.

 

[KissMy]

A fictitious poll is not reality! Gun Nuts lie to pollsters claiming their gun saved them (~0.06% of those polled), but no one who actually used a gun to prevent an attack will claim they didn't.

Yeah...except no...42 years of research by both private and government researchers, with the most famous studies conducted by anti gun researchers say you don't know what you are talking about...

There were not over 500,000 killed per year when guns were restricted, So guns do not save that many! In reality guns save 333 while shooting 100,000

What are you even talking about.......here is the research of over 42 years....most recently analyzed by the CDC in 2013 under orders from obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

LOL !!! - There are only around 1 million violent crimes a year in the USA & these fictional word salads claim guns were used to defend 3.5 million??? LOL !!!

If the crime was prevented it was not a violent crime now was it?

Wrong! It will still get reported. People lie in surveys! If it were real, then unarmed countries would have 4 times the violent crime as the USA!

 

[2aguy]

Yeah...except no...42 years of research by both private and government researchers, with the most famous studies conducted by anti gun researchers say you don't know what you are talking about...

There were not over 500,000 killed per year when guns were restricted, So guns do not save that many! In reality guns save 333 while shooting 100,000

What are you even talking about.......here is the research of over 42 years....most recently analyzed by the CDC in 2013 under orders from obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

LOL !!! - There are only around 1 million violent crimes a year in the USA & these fictional word salads claim guns were used to defend 3.5 million??? LOL !!!

If the crime was prevented it was not a violent crime now was it?

Wrong! It will still get reported. People lie in surveys!

No...it doesn't get reported.

A guy points a gun at me, tells me to give him my money, I take out my gun and he runs away....I report it to the cops....no one was hurt or arrested.....or, I don't tell the cops because I don't want the hassle.....

So no, not all crimes are reported...

 

[OKTexas]

You got a link? Not that I don't believe you, but I haven't seen any details at all.

Here ya go.......................

Tennessee Waffle House shooting suspect may be armed, police say - CNN

Suspect was once arrested near White House
In July 2017, the United States Secret Service arrested Reinking for being in a restricted area near the White House in Washington, police said.
Authorities in Tazewell County, Illinois, and the FBI interviewed Reinking, Aaron said. At the FBI's request, Reinking's Illinois firearms authorization was revoked, and four weapons -- including the AR-15 used in the Sunday's shooting -- were seized, Aaron said.
Tazwell County authorities later returned the guns to Reinking's father, who acknowledged giving them back to his son, Aaron said.

That is why we need a Federal background check!

Thanks for that.

we have federal background checks......do you people ever do any basic research?

Then explain why he was allowed to get his guns back in Tenn.

He wasn't...the father knew he wasn't allowed to have those guns from being told so by the FBI...he violated the law......

He was never prosecuted, he was not a prohibited person.


.

 

[2aguy]

Here ya go.......................

Tennessee Waffle House shooting suspect may be armed, police say - CNN

Suspect was once arrested near White House
In July 2017, the United States Secret Service arrested Reinking for being in a restricted area near the White House in Washington, police said.
Authorities in Tazewell County, Illinois, and the FBI interviewed Reinking, Aaron said. At the FBI's request, Reinking's Illinois firearms authorization was revoked, and four weapons -- including the AR-15 used in the Sunday's shooting -- were seized, Aaron said.
Tazwell County authorities later returned the guns to Reinking's father, who acknowledged giving them back to his son, Aaron said.

That is why we need a Federal background check!

Thanks for that.

we have federal background checks......do you people ever do any basic research?

Then explain why he was allowed to get his guns back in Tenn.

He wasn't...the father knew he wasn't allowed to have those guns from being told so by the FBI...he violated the law......

He was never prosecuted, he was not a prohibited person.


.

Yes.....he should have been arrested at the White House....and his mental instability should have had him committed for evaluation.....

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yeah...except no...42 years of research by both private and government researchers, with the most famous studies conducted by anti gun researchers say you don't know what you are talking about...

There were not over 500,000 killed per year when guns were restricted, So guns do not save that many! In reality guns save 333 while shooting 100,000

What are you even talking about.......here is the research of over 42 years....most recently analyzed by the CDC in 2013 under orders from obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

LOL !!! - There are only around 1 million violent crimes a year in the USA & these fictional word salads claim guns were used to defend 3.5 million??? LOL !!!

If the crime was prevented it was not a violent crime now was it?

Wrong! It will still get reported. People lie in surveys!

it gets reported as an attempted crime not as a crime and have you scoured all police reprts from every state city and town that you are positive of oyur numbers and how crimes get reported?

The CDC study that Obama commissioned states that defensive gun uses happen at least as often as offensive gun uses by criminals and most likely range from 500000 a year or higher

There is an inherent difficulty in the counting of DGUs because by the time the cops show up the piece of shit who attempted to commit the crime can be long gone and since no crime is committed and no perpetrator is charged there is no crime

 

[Skull Pilot]

There were not over 500,000 killed per year when guns were restricted, So guns do not save that many! In reality guns save 333 while shooting 100,000

What are you even talking about.......here is the research of over 42 years....most recently analyzed by the CDC in 2013 under orders from obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

LOL !!! - There are only around 1 million violent crimes a year in the USA & these fictional word salads claim guns were used to defend 3.5 million??? LOL !!!

If the crime was prevented it was not a violent crime now was it?

Wrong! It will still get reported. People lie in surveys!

No...it doesn't get reported.

A guy points a gun at me, tells me to give him my money, I take out my gun and he runs away....I report it to the cops....no one was hurt or arrested.....or, I don't tell the cops because I don't want the hassle.....

So no, not all crimes are reported...

Even if you did report it there was no crime committed only an attempt to commit a crime.

 

[OKTexas]

I don't carry and make it home every day. Stop being so scared.

Tell that to the dead at Waffle House.

And the shooter was armed because of our weak gun laws and stopped by somebody who wrestled the gun away. That would happen more often with less high capacity magazines.

he obtained them illegally, you little lying statist.
There is a reason his dad will mostly likely get charged for this.

Wrong, see post 553


.

thanks for the update!

You're welcome.


.

 

[KissMy]

There were not over 500,000 killed per year when guns were restricted, So guns do not save that many! In reality guns save 333 while shooting 100,000

What are you even talking about.......here is the research of over 42 years....most recently analyzed by the CDC in 2013 under orders from obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

LOL !!! - There are only around 1 million violent crimes a year in the USA & these fictional word salads claim guns were used to defend 3.5 million??? LOL !!!

If the crime was prevented it was not a violent crime now was it?

Wrong! It will still get reported. People lie in surveys!

No...it doesn't get reported.

A guy points a gun at me, tells me to give him my money, I take out my gun and he runs away....I report it to the cops....no one was hurt or arrested.....or, I don't tell the cops because I don't want the hassle.....

So no, not all crimes are reported...

More LIES! You don't ever take out your gun when a criminal has a gun pointed at you! You delusional people poisoned the surveys!

 

[Skull Pilot]

What are you even talking about.......here is the research of over 42 years....most recently analyzed by the CDC in 2013 under orders from obama....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

LOL !!! - There are only around 1 million violent crimes a year in the USA & these fictional word salads claim guns were used to defend 3.5 million??? LOL !!!

If the crime was prevented it was not a violent crime now was it?

Wrong! It will still get reported. People lie in surveys!

No...it doesn't get reported.

A guy points a gun at me, tells me to give him my money, I take out my gun and he runs away....I report it to the cops....no one was hurt or arrested.....or, I don't tell the cops because I don't want the hassle.....

So no, not all crimes are reported...

More LIES! You don't ever take out your gun when a criminal has a gun pointed at you! You delusional people poisoned the surveys!

What if he has a bat, a knife or a 2x4 or no weapon at all?

 

[OKTexas]

That is why we need a Federal background check!

Thanks for that.

we have federal background checks......do you people ever do any basic research?

Then explain why he was allowed to get his guns back in Tenn.

He wasn't...the father knew he wasn't allowed to have those guns from being told so by the FBI...he violated the law......

He was never prosecuted, he was not a prohibited person.


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Yes.....he should have been arrested at the White House....and his mental instability should have had him committed for evaluation.....

Yep, like I told another poster, hindsight is always 20/20, if only we were all fortune tellers, no one would fall through the cracks.


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[KissMy]

LOL !!! - There are only around 1 million violent crimes a year in the USA & these fictional word salads claim guns were used to defend 3.5 million??? LOL !!!

If the crime was prevented it was not a violent crime now was it?

Wrong! It will still get reported. People lie in surveys!

No...it doesn't get reported.

A guy points a gun at me, tells me to give him my money, I take out my gun and he runs away....I report it to the cops....no one was hurt or arrested.....or, I don't tell the cops because I don't want the hassle.....

So no, not all crimes are reported...

More LIES! You don't ever take out your gun when a criminal has a gun pointed at you! You delusional people poisoned the surveys!

What if he has a bat, a knife or a 2x4 or no weapon at all?

How many people CCW guns in 1994? About 1% of the population! How in the hell did that 1% use a gun to prevent 400% of violent crime???????????

 

[Skull Pilot]

If the crime was prevented it was not a violent crime now was it?

Wrong! It will still get reported. People lie in surveys!

No...it doesn't get reported.

A guy points a gun at me, tells me to give him my money, I take out my gun and he runs away....I report it to the cops....no one was hurt or arrested.....or, I don't tell the cops because I don't want the hassle.....

So no, not all crimes are reported...

More LIES! You don't ever take out your gun when a criminal has a gun pointed at you! You delusional people poisoned the surveys!

What if he has a bat, a knife or a 2x4 or no weapon at all?

How many people CCW guns in 1994? About 1% of the population! How in the hell did that 1% use a gun to prevent 400% of violent crime???????????

What if they didn't have a CCW permit and used a rifle, shotgun or handgun on their own property? WHat if a store clerk had a firearm under the counter and didn't need a CCW since he wasn't actually carrying ?

Do you think all crime takes place on public property?