Warren is heartless to those who save for college

[rightwinger]

You failed to answer the question

Why would you object to those courses as college electives?

I object to a bad system that miseducates children and later young people

the rage and intolerance for opinions we see on college campuses today is an outgrowth of our liberal but vacuous society led by liberal academia

Now all the left can do is promise to make free what is practically worthless to begin with

Miseducate?

Yes, as in take their money and leave them ill prepared to meet the challenges of life

Millions of students graduate each year prepared to meet the challenges of life

Total students that graduate every year is around 4.5 millions. So sure, couple of millions graduate prepared, couple of millions unprepared.

You have no evidence of that outside of RW propaganda

 

[ChrisL]

I object to a bad system that miseducates children and later young people

the rage and intolerance for opinions we see on college campuses today is an outgrowth of our liberal but vacuous society led by liberal academia

Now all the left can do is promise to make free what is practically worthless to begin with

Miseducate?

Yes, as in take their money and leave them ill prepared to meet the challenges of life

Millions of students graduate each year prepared to meet the challenges of life

Total students that graduate every year is around 4.5 millions. So sure, couple of millions graduate prepared, couple of millions unprepared.

You have no evidence of that outside of RW propaganda

It's not propaganda. It is reality. Lol.

 

[Ame®icano]

I object to a bad system that miseducates children and later young people

the rage and intolerance for opinions we see on college campuses today is an outgrowth of our liberal but vacuous society led by liberal academia

Now all the left can do is promise to make free what is practically worthless to begin with

Miseducate?

Yes, as in take their money and leave them ill prepared to meet the challenges of life

Millions of students graduate each year prepared to meet the challenges of life

Total students that graduate every year is around 4.5 millions. So sure, couple of millions graduate prepared, couple of millions unprepared.

You have no evidence of that outside of RW propaganda

No evidence?

All those who are giving their vote to Warren or Bernie in exchange for writing their student debt are the evidence. Those are not in your category of "most looking for fair shake", those are leaches that once they get their debt forgiven, will continue being leaches to society.

 

[rightwinger]

I object to a bad system that miseducates children and later young people

the rage and intolerance for opinions we see on college campuses today is an outgrowth of our liberal but vacuous society led by liberal academia

Now all the left can do is promise to make free what is practically worthless to begin with

Miseducate?

Yes, as in take their money and leave them ill prepared to meet the challenges of life

Very true as well. They are not preparing the kids for real life when they give them "safe spaces" and such things. That should be illegal. Lol. That is probably one reason why so many of these younger people want socialism. They are ill informed of the dangers of such governance, and they want to be taken care of by a mommy or a daddy (government), who will take care of all of their grievances, and this is completely irrational, not to mention really STUPID.

Most students want a fair shake when they graduate. They want a good job waiting that will pay their bills and allow them to get started in life. That is what I got when I graduated.

Instead, recent grads face a job market with entry salaries that haven’t increased in decades, jobs with minimal benefits.
Instead of looking to buy a car or save for a new home, they start life with massive student debt and end up moving back with their parents

You said "most want fair shake". Those will get it. Those are going to pay their debt and have a successful life.

But we're not talking about them, you know that.

Today’s students are not getting a fair shake. I did when I graduated. I graduated with no debt and was paid enough to get an apartment and a new car. I was also able to save up enough to get married and buy a home in a few years

Today’s students get paltry offers with no benefits. They end up moving back with their parents so they can pay their loans.

They are getting screwed
Liz Warren knows it and wants to do something about it.

 

[rightwinger]

Miseducate?

Yes, as in take their money and leave them ill prepared to meet the challenges of life

Millions of students graduate each year prepared to meet the challenges of life

Total students that graduate every year is around 4.5 millions. So sure, couple of millions graduate prepared, couple of millions unprepared.

You have no evidence of that outside of RW propaganda

It's not propaganda. It is reality. Lol.

Then show me where millions of college graduates are unprepared

 

[ChrisL]

Yes, as in take their money and leave them ill prepared to meet the challenges of life

Millions of students graduate each year prepared to meet the challenges of life

Total students that graduate every year is around 4.5 millions. So sure, couple of millions graduate prepared, couple of millions unprepared.

You have no evidence of that outside of RW propaganda

It's not propaganda. It is reality. Lol.

Then show me where millions of college graduates are unprepared

Will you read these, or will you continue to argue based on your ideology? I don't know.

College students feel unprepared for workforce

US College Students Feel Unprepared for 'Real' World

Op-Ed: These are the courses that really prepare college students for jobs

 

[ChrisL]

https://nypost.com/2018/05/01/college-graduates-are-dreadfully-unprepared-to-enter-job-market/

College Seniors unprepared for the "real-world" - Need College Help

 

[ChrisL]

Miseducate?

Yes, as in take their money and leave them ill prepared to meet the challenges of life

Very true as well. They are not preparing the kids for real life when they give them "safe spaces" and such things. That should be illegal. Lol. That is probably one reason why so many of these younger people want socialism. They are ill informed of the dangers of such governance, and they want to be taken care of by a mommy or a daddy (government), who will take care of all of their grievances, and this is completely irrational, not to mention really STUPID.

Most students want a fair shake when they graduate. They want a good job waiting that will pay their bills and allow them to get started in life. That is what I got when I graduated.

Instead, recent grads face a job market with entry salaries that haven’t increased in decades, jobs with minimal benefits.
Instead of looking to buy a car or save for a new home, they start life with massive student debt and end up moving back with their parents

You said "most want fair shake". Those will get it. Those are going to pay their debt and have a successful life.

But we're not talking about them, you know that.

Today’s students are not getting a fair shake. I did when I graduated. I graduated with no debt and was paid enough to get an apartment and a new car. I was also able to save up enough to get married and buy a home in a few years

Today’s students get paltry offers with no benefits. They end up moving back with their parents so they can pay their loans.

They are getting screwed
Liz Warren knows it and wants to do something about it.

"I did when I graduated. I graduated with no debt and was paid enough to get an apartment and a new car. I was also able to save up enough to get married and buy a home in a few years"

When was this? 1950?

 

[Mac-7]

Miseducate?

Yes, as in take their money and leave them ill prepared to meet the challenges of life

Very true as well. They are not preparing the kids for real life when they give them "safe spaces" and such things. That should be illegal. Lol. That is probably one reason why so many of these younger people want socialism. They are ill informed of the dangers of such governance, and they want to be taken care of by a mommy or a daddy (government), who will take care of all of their grievances, and this is completely irrational, not to mention really STUPID.

Most students want a fair shake when they graduate. They want a good job waiting that will pay their bills and allow them to get started in life. That is what I got when I graduated.

Instead, recent grads face a job market with entry salaries that haven’t increased in decades, jobs with minimal benefits.
Instead of looking to buy a car or save for a new home, they start life with massive student debt and end up moving back with their parents

I'm quite sure that salaries offered now are a lot more than they were when you graduated. Getting a good paying job with good benefits is a crap shoot because there are SO MANY other people applying for the same jobs. Also, you don't get the benefit to make a first impression on an employer, since most of the time, job applications are done online nowadays. You are strictly relying on your resume basically. There's a lot of competition out there. There are a lot of other factors involved too, which complicates the issue. It's not simple for employers to just pay their employees as much money as they think they are worth.

Salaries are much higher than when I graduated 40 years ago. But I look at salaries I was offering graduate engineers in the late 90s and compare to the salaries being paid today and they are not much higher

Unemployment is at 3.5 percent. Salaries should be going through the roof to get top candidates. Yet, they are not.

College graduates today are getting screwed from both ends today. Massive student debt and stagnant salaries

Yet all we hear from conservatives is that students are lazy and have meaningless degrees

Free trade and foreign competition from low wage countries is an anchor on wages in America

something that the left is generally in favor of

 

[rightwinger]

Millions of students graduate each year prepared to meet the challenges of life

Total students that graduate every year is around 4.5 millions. So sure, couple of millions graduate prepared, couple of millions unprepared.

You have no evidence of that outside of RW propaganda

It's not propaganda. It is reality. Lol.

Then show me where millions of college graduates are unprepared

Will you read these, or will you continue to argue based on your ideology? I don't know.

College students feel unprepared for workforce

US College Students Feel Unprepared for 'Real' World

Op-Ed: These are the courses that really prepare college students for jobs

Again, it relays feelings not statistics
There is no data supporting the claim that millions of college kids are unprepared to enter the workforce

 

[ChrisL]

Total students that graduate every year is around 4.5 millions. So sure, couple of millions graduate prepared, couple of millions unprepared.

You have no evidence of that outside of RW propaganda

It's not propaganda. It is reality. Lol.

Then show me where millions of college graduates are unprepared

Will you read these, or will you continue to argue based on your ideology? I don't know.

College students feel unprepared for workforce

US College Students Feel Unprepared for 'Real' World

Op-Ed: These are the courses that really prepare college students for jobs

Again, it relays feelings not statistics
There is no data supporting the claim that millions of college kids are unprepared to enter the workforce

You can believe what you want, but the facts say otherwise.

 

[rightwinger]

Yes, as in take their money and leave them ill prepared to meet the challenges of life

Very true as well. They are not preparing the kids for real life when they give them "safe spaces" and such things. That should be illegal. Lol. That is probably one reason why so many of these younger people want socialism. They are ill informed of the dangers of such governance, and they want to be taken care of by a mommy or a daddy (government), who will take care of all of their grievances, and this is completely irrational, not to mention really STUPID.

Most students want a fair shake when they graduate. They want a good job waiting that will pay their bills and allow them to get started in life. That is what I got when I graduated.

Instead, recent grads face a job market with entry salaries that haven’t increased in decades, jobs with minimal benefits.
Instead of looking to buy a car or save for a new home, they start life with massive student debt and end up moving back with their parents

I'm quite sure that salaries offered now are a lot more than they were when you graduated. Getting a good paying job with good benefits is a crap shoot because there are SO MANY other people applying for the same jobs. Also, you don't get the benefit to make a first impression on an employer, since most of the time, job applications are done online nowadays. You are strictly relying on your resume basically. There's a lot of competition out there. There are a lot of other factors involved too, which complicates the issue. It's not simple for employers to just pay their employees as much money as they think they are worth.

Salaries are much higher than when I graduated 40 years ago. But I look at salaries I was offering graduate engineers in the late 90s and compare to the salaries being paid today and they are not much higher

Unemployment is at 3.5 percent. Salaries should be going through the roof to get top candidates. Yet, they are not.

College graduates today are getting screwed from both ends today. Massive student debt and stagnant salaries

Yet all we hear from conservatives is that students are lazy and have meaningless degrees

Free trade and foreign competition from low wage countries is an anchor on wages in America

something that the left is generally in favor of

Yet corporations are showing record profits and executive pay has skyrocketed.

That money is not trickling down to the workforce and college students are taking the worst.

 

[rightwinger]

You have no evidence of that outside of RW propaganda

It's not propaganda. It is reality. Lol.

Then show me where millions of college graduates are unprepared

Will you read these, or will you continue to argue based on your ideology? I don't know.

College students feel unprepared for workforce

US College Students Feel Unprepared for 'Real' World

Op-Ed: These are the courses that really prepare college students for jobs

Again, it relays feelings not statistics
There is no data supporting the claim that millions of college kids are unprepared to enter the workforce

You can believe what you want, but the facts say otherwise.

Again, show me some facts that millions of graduates are not prepared to enter the workforce

 

[ChrisL]

It's not propaganda. It is reality. Lol.

Then show me where millions of college graduates are unprepared

Will you read these, or will you continue to argue based on your ideology? I don't know.

College students feel unprepared for workforce

US College Students Feel Unprepared for 'Real' World

Op-Ed: These are the courses that really prepare college students for jobs

Again, it relays feelings not statistics
There is no data supporting the claim that millions of college kids are unprepared to enter the workforce

You can believe what you want, but the facts say otherwise.

Again, show me some facts that millions of graduates are not prepared to enter the workforce

I just did. Take it or leave it. Makes no difference to me. *shrugs*

 

[Ame®icano]

Today’s students are not getting a fair shake. I did when I graduated. I graduated with no debt and was paid enough to get an apartment and a new car. I was also able to save up enough to get married and buy a home in a few years

Today’s students get paltry offers with no benefits. They end up moving back with their parents so they can pay their loans.

They are getting screwed
Liz Warren knows it and wants to do something about it.

Huh?

Look what you said few posts earlier.

Millions of students graduate each year prepared to meet the challenges of life

Which one is it? Prepared or not prepared?

 

[ChrisL]

A vast number of employers feel that college students are not prepared to enter the workforce. If they are hiring someone they do not feel is prepared but they are giving them a start up job, then you cannot expect them to pay the college grad as much as they are going to pay their employees who have been there for some years and proven their abilities. In order to move up in a company, you have to prove your worth to your employer. If you are a valuable asset to your company, then your company is going to pay to keep you.

 

[Mac-7]

Miseducate?

Yes, as in take their money and leave them ill prepared to meet the challenges of life

Very true as well. They are not preparing the kids for real life when they give them "safe spaces" and such things. That should be illegal. Lol. That is probably one reason why so many of these younger people want socialism. They are ill informed of the dangers of such governance, and they want to be taken care of by a mommy or a daddy (government), who will take care of all of their grievances, and this is completely irrational, not to mention really STUPID.

Most students want a fair shake when they graduate. They want a good job waiting that will pay their bills and allow them to get started in life. That is what I got when I graduated.

Instead, recent grads face a job market with entry salaries that haven’t increased in decades, jobs with minimal benefits.
Instead of looking to buy a car or save for a new home, they start life with massive student debt and end up moving back with their parents

You said "most want fair shake". Those will get it. Those are going to pay their debt and have a successful life.

But we're not talking about them, you know that.

Today’s students are not getting a fair shake. I did when I graduated. I graduated with no debt and was paid enough to get an apartment and a new car. I was also able to save up enough to get married and buy a home in a few years

Today’s students get paltry offers with no benefits. They end up moving back with their parents so they can pay their loans.

They are getting screwed
Liz Warren knows it and wants to do something about it.

Warren wants to fix it by making the substandard overpriced liberal education free

which only makes the situation worse

 

[Mac-7]

Millions of students graduate each year prepared to meet the challenges of life

Total students that graduate every year is around 4.5 millions. So sure, couple of millions graduate prepared, couple of millions unprepared.

You have no evidence of that outside of RW propaganda

It's not propaganda. It is reality. Lol.

Then show me where millions of college graduates are unprepared

Will you read these, or will you continue to argue based on your ideology? I don't know.

College students feel unprepared for workforce

US College Students Feel Unprepared for 'Real' World

Op-Ed: These are the courses that really prepare college students for jobs

Thats a home run

 

[Mac-7]

Very true as well. They are not preparing the kids for real life when they give them "safe spaces" and such things. That should be illegal. Lol. That is probably one reason why so many of these younger people want socialism. They are ill informed of the dangers of such governance, and they want to be taken care of by a mommy or a daddy (government), who will take care of all of their grievances, and this is completely irrational, not to mention really STUPID.

Most students want a fair shake when they graduate. They want a good job waiting that will pay their bills and allow them to get started in life. That is what I got when I graduated.

Instead, recent grads face a job market with entry salaries that haven’t increased in decades, jobs with minimal benefits.
Instead of looking to buy a car or save for a new home, they start life with massive student debt and end up moving back with their parents

I'm quite sure that salaries offered now are a lot more than they were when you graduated. Getting a good paying job with good benefits is a crap shoot because there are SO MANY other people applying for the same jobs. Also, you don't get the benefit to make a first impression on an employer, since most of the time, job applications are done online nowadays. You are strictly relying on your resume basically. There's a lot of competition out there. There are a lot of other factors involved too, which complicates the issue. It's not simple for employers to just pay their employees as much money as they think they are worth.

Salaries are much higher than when I graduated 40 years ago. But I look at salaries I was offering graduate engineers in the late 90s and compare to the salaries being paid today and they are not much higher

Unemployment is at 3.5 percent. Salaries should be going through the roof to get top candidates. Yet, they are not.

College graduates today are getting screwed from both ends today. Massive student debt and stagnant salaries

Yet all we hear from conservatives is that students are lazy and have meaningless degrees

Free trade and foreign competition from low wage countries is an anchor on wages in America

something that the left is generally in favor of

Yet corporations are showing record profits and executive pay has skyrocketed.

That money is not trickling down to the workforce and college students are taking the worst.

In a competitive economy a good plumber is more valuable than a half educated college graduate

 

[Ame®icano]

A vast number of employers feel that college students are not prepared to enter the workforce. If they are hiring someone they do not feel is prepared but they are giving them a start up job, then you cannot expect them to pay the college grad as much as they are going to pay their employees who have been there for some years and proven their abilities. In order to move up in a company, you have to prove your worth to your employer. If you are a valuable asset to your company, then your company is going to pay to keep you.

If you have a degree and still living with your parents while working at McDonalds (which is not career job), either you studied bullshit that nobody needs, or you are moron. Either way, I can't say you're not prepared to enter the workforce, since working at McDonalds is a job, but you are not prepared for adult life.