Was Flynn entrapped?

[OKTexas]

They bankrupted Flynn, he couldn't afford to fight it any more. I'm sure his lawyers told him he wouldn't spend any time in jail. It was the lesser of the evils.

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You're 'sure', huh?

Yep.

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Do you get how much of your argument is based on your imagination?

So you're saying Flynn didn't have to sell his house to pay for his defense?

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And Flynn selling his house has *what* to do with your imaginary claim that Flynn's lawyers told him he wouldn't do any jail time?

If even you abandon the baseless nonsense spawned by your imagination, surely you'll understand why no one else has much use for it.

Have you seen the sentencing guide lines? If not, just STFU.

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[Skylar]

You're 'sure', huh?

Yep.

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Do you get how much of your argument is based on your imagination?

So you're saying Flynn didn't have to sell his house to pay for his defense?

.

And Flynn selling his house has *what* to do with your imaginary claim that Flynn's lawyers told him he wouldn't do any jail time?

If even you abandon the baseless nonsense spawned by your imagination, surely you'll understand why no one else has much use for it.

Have you seen the sentencing guide lines? If not, just STFU.

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Oh, I have. I just don't pretend to speak for Flynn's lawyers like you do. Nor do I claim to speak for Flynn, as you do.

I let Flynn speak for himself:

Michael Flynn Plea Agreement Documents

So....do you have anything other than you just making shit up?

 

[skye]

Not sure how that remotely correlates to Glynn pleading guilty to something but whatever.

They bankrupted Flynn, he couldn't afford to fight it any more. I'm sure his lawyers told him he wouldn't spend any time in jail. It was the lesser of the evils. Just like the seatbelt violation.

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Gee, I guess all 5 million people in prison (most of whom couldn't afford a defense 1/100th what Flynn had) were just overzealously prosecuted by the State and bankrupted.

Thoughts and prayers.

The rich and poor are better represented in our criminal justice system than the middle class. Most middle class wind up bankrupted because they start the process with some assets. That's just the way it is.

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don't spend more saliva in these scum

but then

that's just my opinion.

When I get bored I'll stop, it's fun watching them type the same shit, over and over and over.

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I know what you mean!

 

[Kondor3]

So, have we figured out yet, that if Flynn had not lied, he would not be in this mess?

If anyone 'entrapped' Flynn... it was Flynn.

 

[eagle7_31]

Checking Robert Mueller
KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL DECEMBER 13, 2018

Robert Mueller has operated for 19 months as a law unto himself, reminding us of the awesome and destructive powers of special counsels. About the only possible check on Mr. Mueller is a judge who is wise to the tricks of prosecutors and investigators. Good news: That’s what we got this week.

Former national security adviser Mike Flynn a year ago pleaded guilty to one count of lying to the Federal Bureau of Investigation about his conversations with Russia’s ambassador to the U.S. Mr. Flynn’s defense team this week filed a sentencing memo to Judge Emmet Sullivan that contained explosive new information about the Flynn-FBI meeting in January 2017.

It was arranged by then-Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe, who personally called Mr. Flynn on other business, then suggested he sit down with two agents to clear up the Russia question. Mr. McCabe urged Mr. Flynn to conduct the interview with no lawyer present—to make things easier.

The agents (including the infamous Peter Strzok) showed up within two hours. They had already decided not to inform Mr. Flynn that they had transcripts of his conversations or give him the standard warning against lying to the FBI. They wanted him “relaxed” and “unguarded.” Former Director James Comey this weekend bragged on MSNBC that he would never have “gotten away” with such a move in a more “organized” administration.

The whole thing stinks of entrapment, though the curious question was how the Flynn defense team got the details. The court filing refers to a McCabe memo written the day of the 2017 meeting, as well as an FBI summary—known as a 302—of the Flynn interview. These are among documents congressional Republicans have been fighting to obtain for more than a year, only to be stonewalled by the Justice Department. Now we know why the department didn’t want them public.

They have come to light thanks to a man who knows well how men like Messrs. Mueller and Comey operate: Judge Sullivan. He sits on the U.S. District Court in the District of Columbia, and as he wrote for the Journal last year, he got a “wake-up call” in 2008 while overseeing the trial of then-Sen. Ted Stevens of Alaska. Judge Sullivan ultimately assigned a lawyer to investigate Justice Department misconduct.

The investigator’s report found prosecutors had engaged in deliberate and repeated ethical violations, withholding key evidence from the defense. It also excoriated the FBI for failing to write up 302s and for omitting key facts from those it did write. The head of the FBI was Mr. Mueller.

Judge Sullivan has since made it his practice to begin every case with a Brady order, which reminds prosecutors of their constitutional obligation to provide the defense with any exculpatory evidence. On Dec. 12, 2017, days after being assigned the Flynn case, Judge Sullivan issued such an order, instructing Mr. Mueller’s team to turn over “any evidence in its possession that is favorable to defendant and material either to defendant’s guilt or punishment.” Had any other judge drawn the case, we likely would never have seen these details of the FBI’s behavior.

It’s clear that something has concerned the judge—who likely sees obvious parallels to the Stevens case. The media was predicting a quick ruling in the Flynn case. Instead, Judge Sullivan issued new orders Wednesday, demanding to see for himself the McCabe memo and the Flynn 302. He also ordered the special counsel to hand over by Friday any other documents relevant to the Flynn-FBI meeting.

Given his history with the FBI, the judge may also have some questions about the curious date on the Flynn 302—Aug. 22, 2017, seven months after the interview. Texts from Mr. Strzok and testimony from Mr. Comey both suggest the 302 was written long before then. Was the 302 edited in the interim? If so, by whom, and at whose direction? FBI officials initially testified to Congress that the agents did not think Mr. Flynn had lied.

Judges have the ability to reject plea deals and require a prosecutor to make a case at trial. The criminal-justice system isn’t only about holding defendants accountable; trials also provide oversight of investigators and their tactics. And judges are not obliged to follow prosecutors’ sentencing recommendations.

No one knows how Judge Sullivan will rule. His reputation is for being no-nonsense, a straight shooter, an advocate of government transparency. Whatever the outcome, he has done the nation a favor by using his Brady order to hold prosecutors to some account and allow the country a glimpse at how federal law enforcement operates. Which is the very least the country can expect.

Outline - Read & annotate without distractions

It is hard not to come to the conclusion that two different forms of justice exist in this country, one for democrats and another for their adversaries. Specifically anyone with ties to Trump.

Oh, and did you know that the iphones issued to Strozk and Page by the SCO were determined BY SOMEONE IN THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE to contain ‘No substantive texts, notes or reminders', so the phones were wiped clean and restored to factory settings, meaning anything on them was gone. That was done after both of them were removed from the SCO investigation back in the summer of 2017, but given that many within Mueller's organization were friends/supporters/associates/donors to the Clintons, how much credence should we give to those determinations?

We don't know what information was summarily destroyed, but the whole process stinks to high heaven. Maybe it's all coincidental and innocent of wrong-doing, no proof that it wasn't because once again any possible incrimination evidence has been deleted. You know, after awhile a patttern kind of emerges.

The OIG was able to recover more than 19,000 texts between Strozk and Page on their old government-issued Samsung Galaxy S5 devices that had been lost due to the agency’s “collection tool failure.” The OIG did not include the content of these texts in the report. I suspect at some point maybe we'll find out more about what really happened.

DOJ Destroyed Missing Strzok/Page Texts Before IG Reviewed Them

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/12/is_the_flynn_guilty_plea_going_to_be_thrown_out.html

 

[candycorn]

Not sure how that remotely correlates to Glynn pleading guilty to something but whatever.

They bankrupted Flynn, he couldn't afford to fight it any more. I'm sure his lawyers told him he wouldn't spend any time in jail. It was the lesser of the evils. Just like the seatbelt violation.

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Gee, I guess all 5 million people in prison (most of whom couldn't afford a defense 1/100th what Flynn had) were just overzealously prosecuted by the State and bankrupted.

Thoughts and prayers.

The rich and poor are better represented in our criminal justice system than the middle class. Most middle class wind up bankrupted because they start the process with some assets. That's just the way it is.

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You're honestly claiming that the poor get BETTER representation than Michael Flynn did?

Care to back that up with more than your imagination?

They don't have to worry about attorneys fees, the government picks up the tab. How long in takes, number of court days or the number of motions filed are of no concern to them.

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Total shit.
There is first a needs test. Then there is a bill for court costs.

As Court Fees Rise, The Poor Are Paying The Price

 

[Leo123]

a) Did Flynn lie to the FBI agents? yes
b) Did Flynn know it was illegal to lie to a federal law enforcement agent? After 30 years in the military he either knew or is a total idiot.

Why do you think it is okay to lie to FBI agents?

Oh Gawd.....Another dunderhead......OK please post the exact verbiage of his lies. DO NOT post a link to some supposed indictment that is laughably vague. Look if you condone this FBI political coercion and political punishment LOOK OUT! .

Tell me how what the FBI did was 'coercion'?
His lawyers have acknowledged his lies- as did Flynn in his guilty plea.
“Having made a serious error in judgment, for which he has shown true contrition, he recognized it was consistent with the values by which he has led his life simply to provide the facts to those charged with enforcing our laws,” his lawyers wrote in requesting probation and community service. “On the day he entered his guilty plea, he said he was ‘working to set things right.’ He has done so.”

Flynn, who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about conversations during the presidential transition period with the then-Russian ambassador to the United States, will next week become the first White House official punished in the special counsel’s ongoing probe into whether the Trump campaign coordinated with Russia during the 2016 presidential election.

If you still aren't sure what Flynn lied about- perhaps you should ask Flynn's lawyers and Flynn to clarify it for you?

Yeah, but that's actual evidence, Michael Flynn's own words and admissions. And these poor souls have no use for evidence.

They're relying entirely on *imagination*. Where they make up whatever silly conspiracy they want, backed by nothing, and ignore the overwhelming evidence that contradicts them.

Yeah- remember the old days when Conservatives actually thought confessing to a crime was actually proof of a crime?

Hell there are people in jail today for murder based solely upon their confession after being interrogated without lawyers for hours on end. I suspect none of these stalwart souls so outraged about what has happened to Flynn has ever championed Project Innocence.

I don’t remember any of that all I remember is when James Comey said Hillary was guilty he then let her off.

 

[candycorn]

Not sure how that remotely correlates to Glynn pleading guilty to something but whatever.

They bankrupted Flynn, he couldn't afford to fight it any more. I'm sure his lawyers told him he wouldn't spend any time in jail. It was the lesser of the evils. Just like the seatbelt violation.

.

Gee, I guess all 5 million people in prison (most of whom couldn't afford a defense 1/100th what Flynn had) were just overzealously prosecuted by the State and bankrupted.

Thoughts and prayers.

The rich and poor are better represented in our criminal justice system than the middle class. Most middle class wind up bankrupted because they start the process with some assets. That's just the way it is.

.

don't spend more saliva in these scum

but then

that's just my opinion.

When I get bored I'll stop, it's fun watching them type the same shit, over and over and over.

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Don't leave mad, just leave.

 

[Skylar]

a) Did Flynn lie to the FBI agents? yes
b) Did Flynn know it was illegal to lie to a federal law enforcement agent? After 30 years in the military he either knew or is a total idiot.

Why do you think it is okay to lie to FBI agents?

Oh Gawd.....Another dunderhead......OK please post the exact verbiage of his lies. DO NOT post a link to some supposed indictment that is laughably vague. Look if you condone this FBI political coercion and political punishment LOOK OUT! .

Tell me how what the FBI did was 'coercion'?
His lawyers have acknowledged his lies- as did Flynn in his guilty plea.
“Having made a serious error in judgment, for which he has shown true contrition, he recognized it was consistent with the values by which he has led his life simply to provide the facts to those charged with enforcing our laws,” his lawyers wrote in requesting probation and community service. “On the day he entered his guilty plea, he said he was ‘working to set things right.’ He has done so.”

Flynn, who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about conversations during the presidential transition period with the then-Russian ambassador to the United States, will next week become the first White House official punished in the special counsel’s ongoing probe into whether the Trump campaign coordinated with Russia during the 2016 presidential election.

If you still aren't sure what Flynn lied about- perhaps you should ask Flynn's lawyers and Flynn to clarify it for you?

Yeah, but that's actual evidence, Michael Flynn's own words and admissions. And these poor souls have no use for evidence.

They're relying entirely on *imagination*. Where they make up whatever silly conspiracy they want, backed by nothing, and ignore the overwhelming evidence that contradicts them.

Yeah- remember the old days when Conservatives actually thought confessing to a crime was actually proof of a crime?

Hell there are people in jail today for murder based solely upon their confession after being interrogated without lawyers for hours on end. I suspect none of these stalwart souls so outraged about what has happened to Flynn has ever championed Project Innocence.

I don’t remember any of that all I remember is when James Comey said Hillary was guilty he then let her off.

A finding that the Inspector General concluded was reasonable and based on law and precedent.

Does your imagination tell us that Trump's inspector general in on it too?

 

[Leo123]

Their tactic of asking Flynn questions?

Remember back when a guilty plea was an admission of guilt?

Yeah, I saw it all the time when I was driving a truck, a cop stopped people for speeding, then gave them the option to take a ticket for a seatbelt violation because it wasn't a moving violation. Were they guilty?

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So you heard the conversation while you were driving by the cop and the people they stopped?

Nope, it was common practice, especially for commercial vehicles, I personally know a half dozen guys it happened to.

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Not sure how that remotely correlates to Glynn pleading guilty to something but whatever.

If you're ‘not sure’ then your posts are meritless.

 

[candycorn]

Remember back when a guilty plea was an admission of guilt?

Yeah, I saw it all the time when I was driving a truck, a cop stopped people for speeding, then gave them the option to take a ticket for a seatbelt violation because it wasn't a moving violation. Were they guilty?

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So you heard the conversation while you were driving by the cop and the people they stopped?

Nope, it was common practice, especially for commercial vehicles, I personally know a half dozen guys it happened to.

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Not sure how that remotely correlates to Glynn pleading guilty to something but whatever.

If you're ‘not sure’ then your posts are meritless.

ok

 

[OKTexas]

Nope, it was common practice, especially for commercial vehicles, I personally know a half dozen guys it happened to.

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Not sure how that remotely correlates to Glynn pleading guilty to something but whatever.

They bankrupted Flynn, he couldn't afford to fight it any more. I'm sure his lawyers told him he wouldn't spend any time in jail. It was the lesser of the evils. Just like the seatbelt violation.

.

Gee, I guess all 5 million people in prison (most of whom couldn't afford a defense 1/100th what Flynn had) were just overzealously prosecuted by the State and bankrupted.

Thoughts and prayers.

The rich and poor are better represented in our criminal justice system than the middle class. Most middle class wind up bankrupted because they start the process with some assets. That's just the way it is.

.

Exactly...so Flynn's "predicament" is no different than any other defendant.

And thus the reason why so many people take plea despite proclaiming their innocence. But then not everyone has Comey admitting on TV his intent to take advantage of a week old naive administration. I wonder if Comey's admission will make it into the judges decision?

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[Skylar]

Not sure how that remotely correlates to Glynn pleading guilty to something but whatever.

They bankrupted Flynn, he couldn't afford to fight it any more. I'm sure his lawyers told him he wouldn't spend any time in jail. It was the lesser of the evils. Just like the seatbelt violation.

.

Gee, I guess all 5 million people in prison (most of whom couldn't afford a defense 1/100th what Flynn had) were just overzealously prosecuted by the State and bankrupted.

Thoughts and prayers.

The rich and poor are better represented in our criminal justice system than the middle class. Most middle class wind up bankrupted because they start the process with some assets. That's just the way it is.

.

Exactly...so Flynn's "predicament" is no different than any other defendant.

And thus the reason why so many people take plea despite proclaiming their innocence. But then not everyone has Comey admitting on TV his intent to take advantage of a week old naive administration. I wonder if Comey's admission will make it into the judges decision?

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Comey never said any of that.

Your imagination is a rather poor source of information.

 

[OKTexas]

They bankrupted Flynn, he couldn't afford to fight it any more. I'm sure his lawyers told him he wouldn't spend any time in jail. It was the lesser of the evils. Just like the seatbelt violation.

.

Gee, I guess all 5 million people in prison (most of whom couldn't afford a defense 1/100th what Flynn had) were just overzealously prosecuted by the State and bankrupted.

Thoughts and prayers.

The rich and poor are better represented in our criminal justice system than the middle class. Most middle class wind up bankrupted because they start the process with some assets. That's just the way it is.

.

You're honestly claiming that the poor get BETTER representation than Michael Flynn did?

Care to back that up with more than your imagination?

They don't have to worry about attorneys fees, the government picks up the tab. How long in takes, number of court days or the number of motions filed are of no concern to them.

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They also don't get much legal representation.

Show us the evidence that the poor get BETTER representation than Michael Flynn.

You're stalling because you know you can't. But its still fun to watch you try and flee from your own nonsense claims.

Hey asshole, provide the quote where I said they do. I simply said they don't have to worry about the costs.

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[OKTexas]

Yep.

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Do you get how much of your argument is based on your imagination?

So you're saying Flynn didn't have to sell his house to pay for his defense?

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And Flynn selling his house has *what* to do with your imaginary claim that Flynn's lawyers told him he wouldn't do any jail time?

If even you abandon the baseless nonsense spawned by your imagination, surely you'll understand why no one else has much use for it.

Have you seen the sentencing guide lines? If not, just STFU.

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Oh, I have. I just don't pretend to speak for Flynn's lawyers like you do. Nor do I claim to speak for Flynn, as you do.

I let Flynn speak for himself:

Michael Flynn Plea Agreement Documents

So....do you have anything other than you just making shit up?

Flynn's lawyers did enough to cause the judge to demand a Brady hearing, evidently they put some doubts about propriety in his mind. What will he decide, we'll see, won't we?

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[Skylar]

Do you get how much of your argument is based on your imagination?

So you're saying Flynn didn't have to sell his house to pay for his defense?

.

And Flynn selling his house has *what* to do with your imaginary claim that Flynn's lawyers told him he wouldn't do any jail time?

If even you abandon the baseless nonsense spawned by your imagination, surely you'll understand why no one else has much use for it.

Have you seen the sentencing guide lines? If not, just STFU.

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Oh, I have. I just don't pretend to speak for Flynn's lawyers like you do. Nor do I claim to speak for Flynn, as you do.

I let Flynn speak for himself:

Michael Flynn Plea Agreement Documents

So....do you have anything other than you just making shit up?

Flynn's lawyers did enough to cause the judge to demand a Brady hearing, evidently they put some doubts about propriety in his mind. What will he decide, we'll see, won't we?

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And by 'evidently' you mean your imagination?

You keep pretending that the narrative you make up is what Flynn, his lawyers, and the judge are thinking.

 

[candycorn]

Not sure how that remotely correlates to Glynn pleading guilty to something but whatever.

They bankrupted Flynn, he couldn't afford to fight it any more. I'm sure his lawyers told him he wouldn't spend any time in jail. It was the lesser of the evils. Just like the seatbelt violation.

.

Gee, I guess all 5 million people in prison (most of whom couldn't afford a defense 1/100th what Flynn had) were just overzealously prosecuted by the State and bankrupted.

Thoughts and prayers.

The rich and poor are better represented in our criminal justice system than the middle class. Most middle class wind up bankrupted because they start the process with some assets. That's just the way it is.

.

Exactly...so Flynn's "predicament" is no different than any other defendant.

And thus the reason why so many people take plea despite proclaiming their innocence. But then not everyone has Comey admitting on TV his intent to take advantage of a week old naive administration. I wonder if Comey's admission will make it into the judges decision?

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Oh brother. Yeah...a 3 star general was taken advantage of.

Any other brazenly stupid lies you wish to tell us?

 

[Skylar]

They bankrupted Flynn, he couldn't afford to fight it any more. I'm sure his lawyers told him he wouldn't spend any time in jail. It was the lesser of the evils. Just like the seatbelt violation.

.

Gee, I guess all 5 million people in prison (most of whom couldn't afford a defense 1/100th what Flynn had) were just overzealously prosecuted by the State and bankrupted.

Thoughts and prayers.

The rich and poor are better represented in our criminal justice system than the middle class. Most middle class wind up bankrupted because they start the process with some assets. That's just the way it is.

.

Exactly...so Flynn's "predicament" is no different than any other defendant.

And thus the reason why so many people take plea despite proclaiming their innocence. But then not everyone has Comey admitting on TV his intent to take advantage of a week old naive administration. I wonder if Comey's admission will make it into the judges decision?

.

Oh brother. Yeah...a 3 star general was taken advantage of.

Any other brazenly stupid lies you wish to tell us?

Poor, naive, helpless little Flynn.

When did a National Security Director become some kind of lost puppy?

 

[candycorn]

Not sure how that remotely correlates to Glynn pleading guilty to something but whatever.

They bankrupted Flynn, he couldn't afford to fight it any more. I'm sure his lawyers told him he wouldn't spend any time in jail. It was the lesser of the evils. Just like the seatbelt violation.

.

Gee, I guess all 5 million people in prison (most of whom couldn't afford a defense 1/100th what Flynn had) were just overzealously prosecuted by the State and bankrupted.

Thoughts and prayers.

The rich and poor are better represented in our criminal justice system than the middle class. Most middle class wind up bankrupted because they start the process with some assets. That's just the way it is.

.

Exactly...so Flynn's "predicament" is no different than any other defendant.

And thus the reason why so many people take plea despite proclaiming their innocence. But then not everyone has Comey admitting on TV his intent to take advantage of a week old naive administration. I wonder if Comey's admission will make it into the judges decision?

.

If Flynn hadn't lied about meeting with the Russians, none of this would have happened. Or do you want to pretend that he was duped into that too?

 

[OKTexas]

They bankrupted Flynn, he couldn't afford to fight it any more. I'm sure his lawyers told him he wouldn't spend any time in jail. It was the lesser of the evils. Just like the seatbelt violation.

.

Gee, I guess all 5 million people in prison (most of whom couldn't afford a defense 1/100th what Flynn had) were just overzealously prosecuted by the State and bankrupted.

Thoughts and prayers.

The rich and poor are better represented in our criminal justice system than the middle class. Most middle class wind up bankrupted because they start the process with some assets. That's just the way it is.

.

You're honestly claiming that the poor get BETTER representation than Michael Flynn did?

Care to back that up with more than your imagination?

They don't have to worry about attorneys fees, the government picks up the tab. How long in takes, number of court days or the number of motions filed are of no concern to them.

.

Total shit.
There is first a needs test. Then there is a bill for court costs.

As Court Fees Rise, The Poor Are Paying The Price

Wow, moving the goal post much? Where were we talking about anything other than attorneys fees? But hey, great deflection.

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