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Nobody wiretapped Trump Towers. Trump pulled that out of his azz.Okay, I'm going to say it: Somebody needs to take the White House away from him.Trump got his news from Breitbart.
Dumb stupid inept old man.
Somebody needs to take away his cell phone so he can't tweet anymore.
President Trump needs to be told to stop Tweeting about certain things.
The way to have done this, if they have evidence that The Obama Administration had Trump Tower wiretapped, they should have organised a press conference and at the press conference dropped the bomb in the form of the declassified information showing that The Obama Administration had Trump Tower wiretapped.
The way not to do this was for President Trump to just Tweet this without ordering the declassified information to be publicly released within the next few days.
Actually, the way it should have been done is - if there was merit to it, get it investigated by the appropriate agencies first. You don't handle these things through the media other than a brief statement by the investigating officials.
There was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. The DEMs have pulled that out of their own azz.
There is no need for an investigation, however Collins and Rubio are going to investigate to make the DEM's happy.
Schumer wants a special prosecutor even though there have been no crimes and no evidence of crimes. He is just being a bastard gadfly. Same as McConnell and Boehner were bastard gadflies to BHO for 8 years.
It's just payback time.
Clapper is a fool. you are about to see how deep Trumps support is with American people.Wow, your right, I thought there would some kind of a process but I guess it's at the discretion of POTUS. So next step would be for him to show the wire tap evidence and put this thing to bed. From listening to the WH surrogates this morning trying to spin his tweet into an "if" situation based on a news report, I'm guessing we aren't going to see any evidence. It's all bait to distract the puppets. Very transparentReally? Is that trueNo....the President gets to make the decision as to what is or isn't classified.....
He is the top guy...it is his call....
actually......the news from the New York Times and other left wing news sources have all claimed that the information they have been using on the Trump/Russia story came from wire taps........this was before any allegations of obama wire tapping Trump....
DeepStateGate: Democrats' Russia Conspiracy Theory Backfires
Levin’s claims, reported at Breitbart News early Friday, were in turn based on information largely from mainstream outlets, including the New York Times and the Washington Post. Heat Street was one non-mainstream source, but the BBC also reported similar information in January. So, too, did the UK Guardian, which is a mainstream source (albeit with a decidedly left-wing slant, hardly favorable to Trump).
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In addition, there is reason to doubt the claim that the White House never “interfered”: the New York Times reported in January that “intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.”
It will backfire big time. Clapper is no fool, and he's throwing them under the bus.
Remember, Trump brought this up, not "them". He controls the message.
All these pricks are denying limited sets of allegations that don't overlap. Previously published and non-disputed reports, confirmed there were indeed FISA warrants aimed at Trump and others that were ultimately approved.
Considering everything we've learned about obama's propensity to use taps against people he doesn't like, I have little doubt about him doing that against Trump.
Yeah taps on the Russian ambassador. Legal ones that were part of a publicized investigationWow, your right, I thought there would some kind of a process but I guess it's at the discretion of POTUS. So next step would be for him to show the wire tap evidence and put this thing to bed. From listening to the WH surrogates this morning trying to spin his tweet into an "if" situation based on a news report, I'm guessing we aren't going to see any evidence. It's all bait to distract the puppets. Very transparentReally? Is that trueAgain I'll ask... if there is classified evidence then wouldn't trump tweeting about it be a crime? If not then please explain how
No....the President gets to make the decision as to what is or isn't classified.....
He is the top guy...it is his call....
actually......the news from the New York Times and other left wing news sources have all claimed that the information they have been using on the Trump/Russia story came from wire taps........this was before any allegations of obama wire tapping Trump....
DeepStateGate: Democrats' Russia Conspiracy Theory Backfires
Levin’s claims, reported at Breitbart News early Friday, were in turn based on information largely from mainstream outlets, including the New York Times and the Washington Post. Heat Street was one non-mainstream source, but the BBC also reported similar information in January. So, too, did the UK Guardian, which is a mainstream source (albeit with a decidedly left-wing slant, hardly favorable to Trump).
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In addition, there is reason to doubt the claim that the White House never “interfered”: the New York Times reported in January that “intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.”
If there is evidence and it's classified then would Trumps tweet be a crime?What is confusing to me is... a wiretap like this would be highly classified, wouldn't the president be privy to classified information? Wouldn't this leave two possible options.
1. Trump disclosed classified information in a tweet
Or
2. Trump made it up to distract from the sessions fiasco
If anybody has another theory please add it but these seem to be the only two options.
Seems to me IF there is evidence, Trump could declassify it and provide it....
The way not to do this was for President Trump to just Tweet this without ordering the declassified information to be publicly released within the next few days.Okay, I'm going to say it: Somebody needs to take the White House away from him.Trump got his news from Breitbart.
Dumb stupid inept old man.
Somebody needs to take away his cell phone so he can't tweet anymore.
President Trump needs to be told to stop Tweeting about certain things.
The way to have done this, if they have evidence that The Obama Administration had Trump Tower wiretapped, they should have organised a press conference and at the press conference dropped the bomb in the form of the declassified information showing that The Obama Administration had Trump Tower wiretapped.
The way not to do this was for President Trump to just Tweet this without ordering the declassified information to be publicly released within the next few days.
I agree with your post in its entirety, as any reasonable person would. The problem is, Trump is not a reasonable man and he is not as "controllable" as the Republicans hoped when they greedily courted all the populist votes that enabled them to have a Republican in the White House to sign their legislation. They have a tiger by the tail and they deserve it, but I am so upset for what it is doing to this country.
Yeah taps on the Russian ambassador. Legal ones that were part of a publicized investigationWow, your right, I thought there would some kind of a process but I guess it's at the discretion of POTUS. So next step would be for him to show the wire tap evidence and put this thing to bed. From listening to the WH surrogates this morning trying to spin his tweet into an "if" situation based on a news report, I'm guessing we aren't going to see any evidence. It's all bait to distract the puppets. Very transparentReally? Is that trueNo....the President gets to make the decision as to what is or isn't classified.....
He is the top guy...it is his call....
actually......the news from the New York Times and other left wing news sources have all claimed that the information they have been using on the Trump/Russia story came from wire taps........this was before any allegations of obama wire tapping Trump....
DeepStateGate: Democrats' Russia Conspiracy Theory Backfires
Levin’s claims, reported at Breitbart News early Friday, were in turn based on information largely from mainstream outlets, including the New York Times and the Washington Post. Heat Street was one non-mainstream source, but the BBC also reported similar information in January. So, too, did the UK Guardian, which is a mainstream source (albeit with a decidedly left-wing slant, hardly favorable to Trump).
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In addition, there is reason to doubt the claim that the White House never “interfered”: the New York Times reported in January that “intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.”
_____________James Clapper said there were NO FISA requests.Why is the left so quick to dismiss FISA court requests as credible evidence?
Who disclosed Flynn name?Yeah taps on the Russian ambassador. Legal ones that were part of a publicized investigationWow, your right, I thought there would some kind of a process but I guess it's at the discretion of POTUS. So next step would be for him to show the wire tap evidence and put this thing to bed. From listening to the WH surrogates this morning trying to spin his tweet into an "if" situation based on a news report, I'm guessing we aren't going to see any evidence. It's all bait to distract the puppets. Very transparent
actually......the news from the New York Times and other left wing news sources have all claimed that the information they have been using on the Trump/Russia story came from wire taps........this was before any allegations of obama wire tapping Trump....
DeepStateGate: Democrats' Russia Conspiracy Theory Backfires
Levin’s claims, reported at Breitbart News early Friday, were in turn based on information largely from mainstream outlets, including the New York Times and the Washington Post. Heat Street was one non-mainstream source, but the BBC also reported similar information in January. So, too, did the UK Guardian, which is a mainstream source (albeit with a decidedly left-wing slant, hardly favorable to Trump).
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In addition, there is reason to doubt the claim that the White House never “interfered”: the New York Times reported in January that “intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.”
Nope.......you can't tap American citizens.......even if they are talking to foriegn dignitaries ...their names have to be protected and his name wasn't protected....Flynn, that is. And if you have read the article......using FISA in his way is illegal......but we will see....
No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.
At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.
From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.
The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.
The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.
It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.
From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election
It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.
If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.
It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles.
There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.
Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?
First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.
From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.
The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.
According to the WP article:
The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)
The article goes on to conclude:
Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.
And lastly:
Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.
So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?
1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?
2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?
Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.
Funny how none of these concerns stopped you left wingers from accusing Trump from colluding with the Russians...though every single story on it had it buried deep in the story...that there was absolutely no evidence to support the allegation......
Funny how all of a sudden you want evidence before you believe this stuff...
Considering everything we've learned about obama's propensity to use taps against people he doesn't like, I have little doubt about him doing that against Trump.
The anti-Trump crowd including the MSM are like a pack of hysterical and out of control hyenas, some of them not only want Trump removed but also they now want Pence removed, this illustrates it's all about that Trump/Pence beat Hillary/Kaine, or else why are some saying Pence should be removed also?
The way not to do this was for President Trump to just Tweet this without ordering the declassified information to be publicly released within the next few days.Okay, I'm going to say it: Somebody needs to take the White House away from him.Trump got his news from Breitbart.
Dumb stupid inept old man.
Somebody needs to take away his cell phone so he can't tweet anymore.
President Trump needs to be told to stop Tweeting about certain things.
The way to have done this, if they have evidence that The Obama Administration had Trump Tower wiretapped, they should have organised a press conference and at the press conference dropped the bomb in the form of the declassified information showing that The Obama Administration had Trump Tower wiretapped.
The way not to do this was for President Trump to just Tweet this without ordering the declassified information to be publicly released within the next few days.
I agree with your post in its entirety, as any reasonable person would. The problem is, Trump is not a reasonable man and he is not as "controllable" as the Republicans hoped when they greedily courted all the populist votes that enabled them to have a Republican in the White House to sign their legislation. They have a tiger by the tail and they deserve it, but I am so upset for what it is doing to this country.
Who disclosed Flynn name?Yeah taps on the Russian ambassador. Legal ones that were part of a publicized investigationWow, your right, I thought there would some kind of a process but I guess it's at the discretion of POTUS. So next step would be for him to show the wire tap evidence and put this thing to bed. From listening to the WH surrogates this morning trying to spin his tweet into an "if" situation based on a news report, I'm guessing we aren't going to see any evidence. It's all bait to distract the puppets. Very transparentHe is the top guy...it is his call....
actually......the news from the New York Times and other left wing news sources have all claimed that the information they have been using on the Trump/Russia story came from wire taps........this was before any allegations of obama wire tapping Trump....
DeepStateGate: Democrats' Russia Conspiracy Theory Backfires
Levin’s claims, reported at Breitbart News early Friday, were in turn based on information largely from mainstream outlets, including the New York Times and the Washington Post. Heat Street was one non-mainstream source, but the BBC also reported similar information in January. So, too, did the UK Guardian, which is a mainstream source (albeit with a decidedly left-wing slant, hardly favorable to Trump).
-----
In addition, there is reason to doubt the claim that the White House never “interfered”: the New York Times reported in January that “intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.”
Nope.......you can't tap American citizens.......even if they are talking to foriegn dignitaries ...their names have to be protected and his name wasn't protected....Flynn, that is. And if you have read the article......using FISA in his way is illegal......but we will see....
No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.
At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.
From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.
The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.
The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.
It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.
From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election
It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.
If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.
It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles.
There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.
Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?
First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.
From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.
The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.
According to the WP article:
The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)
The article goes on to conclude:
Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.
And lastly:
Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.
So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?
1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?
2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?
Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.
Considering everything we've learned about obama's propensity to use taps against people he doesn't like, I have little doubt about him doing that against Trump.
The anti-Trump crowd including the MSM are like a pack of hysterical and out of control hyenas, some of them not only want Trump removed but also they now want Pence removed, this illustrates it's all about that Trump/Pence beat Hillary/Kaine, or else why are some saying Pence should be removed also?
No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.
At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.
From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.
The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.
The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.
It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.
From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election
It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.
If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.
It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles.
There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.
Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?
First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.
From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.
The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.
According to the WP article:
The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)
The article goes on to conclude:
Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.
And lastly:
Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.
So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?
1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?
2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?
Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.
Trump’s wiretap claims, then, carry presumably inadvertent implications. First, based on previous reporting and the nature of FISA courts, any wiretaps within Trump Tower would be legal. And they would stem from overwhelming evidence that the Trump campaign, or someone within it, has unsavory ties to Russia or another foreign power. Otherwise, it’s unlikely those wiretaps would exist at all.
If federal authorities did have cause to listen in on Trump Tower, though, and they provided enough evidence for a FISA court to approve the snooping, Obama is not the one who ought to worry.
FISA warrants don’t allow for broad wiretaps of, say, every call going in and out of a specific office in a 58-story Manhattan skyscraper. Federal authorities must demonstrate not just probable cause, but that a given phone line serves primarily to undermine US interests. It’s difficult, for instance, to obtain a warrant to wiretap a shared office, for fear of picking up innocent third-party conversations.
_____________James Clapper said there were NO FISA requests.Why is the left so quick to dismiss FISA court requests as credible evidence?
1) James Clapper is a proven perjurer, which also means he is a liar.
2) If a Liar like James Clapper thinks it expedient to not get caught in a cold lie any more....he might just "dissemble"...he might not tell the whole truth.
Just this morning, he said "Trump and his campaign" were not FISA-Tapped by a Secret Judge appointed by Barack Obama....but he did not say what individuals, besides Trump...might have been wiretapped...like his son-in-law.
Clapper is a Liar and a Dissembler.
The duty to prove that people like Jeff Sessions were conspiring with the Russians to undermine an American election...which is treason...is is pretty damn high....yet every Democratic Party leader has alleged or implied that very thing.
Where is the demand for proof of that out of you sanctimonious hypocrite Bolsheviks?
________
Actually, Tip ONeill treated Reagan fairly well. And when Tip got the chance to impeach Reagan over Iran-Contra he refused to do it.Considering everything we've learned about obama's propensity to use taps against people he doesn't like, I have little doubt about him doing that against Trump.
The anti-Trump crowd including the MSM are like a pack of hysterical and out of control hyenas, some of them not only want Trump removed but also they now want Pence removed, this illustrates it's all about that Trump/Pence beat Hillary/Kaine, or else why are some saying Pence should be removed also?
It's been always about that... losing. The same game all over. They did it to Reagan, both Bushes, since the day they walked in the office.
Jeeze !!!No spin. No smoke and mirrors. No conjecture. Was he wire tapped? If that can't be answered everything else is Conspiracy Theory material of attempting to create links between unrelated incidents.
At this point, it see - the whole wire-tap claim is unsubstantiated and taking on the guise of a conspiracy theory.
From: Analysis | Donald Trump was a conspiracy-theory candidate. Now he’s on the edge of being a conspiracy-theory president.
The problem here, of course, is that what Levin — and Breitbart — use as evidence for these claims are a series of seemingly unconnected events — from FISA court requests to Trump joking about the Russia email hack, to the release of Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails in the fall. The proof that all — or any — of these events are tied together by actual facts as opposed to supposition is not offered.
The idea that Obama’s administration authorized — and was able to get approval for — the wiretapping of the opposition party’s candidate for president is, frankly, far-fetched. And, if someone is making that claim — as Trump is now doing — the burden of proof is on them. If you are going to say there is a grand conspiracy that only you and a handful of others see, you need to offer a step-by-step explanation to the broader public to show why you’re right.
It seems unlikely — given Trump’s past pattern of making baseless claims without proof and then simply insisting he is right and no evidence is needed to prove the point — that any meaningful effort will be made by the Trump administration to connect the dots on this alleged wiretapping conspiracy.
From the LA Times: Citing no evidence, Trump accuses Obama of tapping his phones during the election
It would be highly unusual for a sitting president to be aware of such [surveillance] requests. By blaming Obama directly, Trump accused the former president of reaching into a federal investigation and signing off on an illegal wiretap, which is a felony.
If federal investigators did monitor Trump’s phones or computers lawfully, a court would have demanded information about potential criminal misconduct or unlawful foreign contacts. Such investigations are closely held and rarely, if ever, shared with the White House.
It is possible Trump has no evidence his phones were tapped and is repeating unfounded reports circulating in conservative media circles.
There is a lot of smoke, mirrors and redirection going on here, an attempt I'm sure, to distract from the demands for an investigation into Russian ties with the Trump campaign.
Rather than blowing this up into a full blown conspiracy theory, how about looking at actual evidence?
First question to answer is: is there any hard evidence that Trump Tower was indeed wire tapped? If we can't answer that, the rest is meaningless distraction.
From the Washington Post: Analysis | Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Trump’s ‘evidence’ for Obama wiretap claims relies on sketchy, anonymously sourced reports
Brietbart article on FISA Requests: June & October. Breitbart based it's article entirely on one source: and article written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist for Heat Street. But no one seems to be able to independently confirm the claim.
The Washington Post for months has sought to confirm this report of a FISA warrant related to the Trump campaign but has been unable to do so. Presumably other U.S. news organizations have tried to do so as well. So one has to take this claim with a huge dose of skepticism. Indeed, the New York Times reported before the election that the FBI “ultimately concluded that there could be an innocuous explanation, like a marketing email or spam, for the computer contacts” with the Russian banks.
According to the WP article:
The White House provided three other sources. Two, a National Review article and a Fox News interview, are simply derivative of the Heat Street article, with no independent confirmation. The third is a New York Times report that intelligence agencies “are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions” as part of a probe of possible links between Russian officials and Trump campaign aides. (We recall the president has previously deemed Times reporting on this matter as “fake news.”)
The article goes on to conclude:
Only two articles, both with British roots, have reported that a FISA court order was granted in October to examine possible activity between two Russian banks and a computer server in the Trump Tower. This claim has not been confirmed by a U.S. news organizations. Moreover, neither article says President Obama requested the order or that it resulted in the tapping of Trump’s phone lines.
And lastly:
Moreover, the articles do not support the White House’s claim that these were “potentially politically motivated investigations” led by President Obama. The articles all suggest the FISA requests — if they happened — were done by the intelligence agencies and the FBI.
So, before we have this huge political uproar, and immediate comparisons to Watergate, lets' get at the facts first. Can anyone answer these questions?
1. Was Trump wiretapped? If yes - what evidence? Were bugs found in Trump Tower?
2. Were FISA requests issued? If yes - can the claims be confirmed by more then one source and for what specifically were they for?
Until those are answered - there's nothing but smoke.
Trump’s wiretap claims, then, carry presumably inadvertent implications. First, based on previous reporting and the nature of FISA courts, any wiretaps within Trump Tower would be legal. And they would stem from overwhelming evidence that the Trump campaign, or someone within it, has unsavory ties to Russia or another foreign power. Otherwise, it’s unlikely those wiretaps would exist at all.
If federal authorities did have cause to listen in on Trump Tower, though, and they provided enough evidence for a FISA court to approve the snooping, Obama is not the one who ought to worry.
FISA warrants don’t allow for broad wiretaps of, say, every call going in and out of a specific office in a 58-story Manhattan skyscraper. Federal authorities must demonstrate not just probable cause, but that a given phone line serves primarily to undermine US interests. It’s difficult, for instance, to obtain a warrant to wiretap a shared office, for fear of picking up innocent third-party conversations.
_____________James Clapper said there were NO FISA requests.Why is the left so quick to dismiss FISA court requests as credible evidence?
1) James Clapper is a proven perjurer, which also means he is a liar.
2) If a Liar like James Clapper thinks it expedient to not get caught in a cold lie any more....he might just "dissemble"...he might not tell the whole truth.
Just this morning, he said "Trump and his campaign" were not FISA-Tapped by a Secret Judge appointed by Barack Obama....but he did not say what individuals, besides Trump...might have been wiretapped...like his son-in-law.
Clapper is a Liar and a Dissembler.
The duty to prove that people like Jeff Sessions were conspiring with the Russians to undermine an American election...which is treason...is is pretty damn high....yet every Democratic Party leader has alleged or implied that very thing.
Where is the demand for proof of that out of you sanctimonious hypocrite Bolsheviks?
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