We all downplayed this Virus

[linux07]

 

[Olde Europe]

Here's one for starters

Did China downplay the coronavirus outbreak early on?

A new study shows the virus took off weeks earlier than Chinese officials have suggested.

www.vox.com

But your right - If China is more guilty, Trump is less. That's the way Donnie rolls - ALWAYS!

Thanks. As I thought. Lots of speculation, but not a shred of evidence China (Beijing) was "less than transparent and truthful about their early experience with C19".

Errors early on about the etiology is not evidence China (Beijing) were less than truthful. Neither is speculation the outbreak started earlier than the first patients hitting the hospital. That one was a real zinger. I mean, really, who would have thought?

 

[DrLove]

Here's one for starters

Did China downplay the coronavirus outbreak early on?

A new study shows the virus took off weeks earlier than Chinese officials have suggested.

www.vox.com

But your right - If China is more guilty, Trump is less. That's the way Donnie rolls - ALWAYS!

Thanks. As I thought. Lots of speculation, but not a shred of evidence China (Beijing) was "less than transparent and truthful about their early experience with C19".

Errors early on about the etiology is not evidence China (Beijing) were less than truthful. Neither is speculation the outbreak started earlier than the first patients hitting the hospital. That one was a real zinger. I mean, really, who would have thought?

I like your posts. You make very fair points. There is SO much we don't know yet.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Stop blaming only Trump. Look in the mirror and I got this damn virus (cured and immune now). It sucked but I have has worse. Especially you Leftists, watch and then shut your damn mouths. The NYC Health Commissioner on Feb 6th said the risk of the disease in NYC is low and preparedness is high. So you want Trump to play doctor here but not play doctor now? Which is it? You people are a damn scourge.

That's a lie. No we didn't, because we weren't privy to the same information Trump had. He is 100% to blame for this, and his jerk off responses for the last three months proves it.

"China did everything right" --- BWK

Did they? Who knew?

It is your quote. Would you like to elaborate?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

MK,

You will not that Leftists will avoid this like the plague. Truth hurts them deeply.

Both sides need to quit the blame until this is over. Then we can analyze. What could we have been done better? What can we improve on for next time? I have been thinking a good bit on this. The political blame game reminds me of Benghazi. Instead of focusing on preventing future situations like it, politicals focused on partisan blame.

And for every Leftist blaming Trump there are Rightists blaming Dems and even Obama.

I make no secret about disliking Trump and his policies, but this time, for the first time in his presidency, he is faced with a crisis not of his own making. I think it’s comparable to 9/11 and will be a defining moment for his presidency. The combination of a worldwide pandemic and a worldwide recession is not something we’ve experienced in living memory. And the world is vastly different now than the when the Spanish flu hit.

No one person or agency or country is responsible for this. It is not a red state or blue state issue. No one is wanting the economy to crash or people to die.

Today’s reality is that new contagious virus‘ usually have already traveled far and wide before anyone even realizes what has happened. I just saw an article that stated it might have been in California as early as December.

So...quit blaming Trump, the Dems, China, WHO etc. No one could have fully anticipated this reality.

I do think Trump is doing his best and now takes it seriously, but I think the tools he has - his personality and management style make it difficult, because almost all of this is out of his control.

So, I will support his efforts to bring us through this, and likewise that of Pelosi, to ensure no one is left out. Let there be no forgotten man.

As soon as Donald takes TESTING seriously and stops hyping unproven drugs. As soon as he listens to REAL doctors and scientists and stops listening to Giuliani, Ingraham, Navarro and Doctor "Quack" Oz instead of the experts. As soon as he stops blaming everybody in the universe for his lame initial response and takes a bit of personal responsibility and shows a little actual LEADERSHIP - - - THEN I'll believe he's taking the problem seriously.

I think he is out of his depth here and doing the best he can. Until this is over, I don’t think we can fairly analyze it (and no, I don’t like the constant need to cast blame as opposed to just carry on, but it is who he is). And keep in mind, he is getting blamed unfairly as well.

Why can’t we all blame China?

It is convenient, but inaccurate. China screwed up and mislead, but I do not believe that would have changed the spread of something so contagious and asymptotic in it’s early stages or when people only have a mild case.

Maybe but if they contained it in Wuhan and told the rest of the world how contagious it was we would have had a 2 month head start on remedies, research, lockdowns and travel bans.

Possibly, but I am not sure they knew exactly what they were dealing with in those early days and more than likely it was already outside of Wuhan by the time they did. Keep in mind, the majority of people who get it, only get a mild case, like a flu or a cold. That said they could have been more cooperative earlier.

What would have helped is if trump had not reduced the United States CDC department in China from around 50 to 14.

Those people were put there to do exactly what wasn't done. Work with China to identify the virus, contain the virus and stop it. Report honestly to the rest of the world what is happening and work with the rest of the world on the problem.

We had that put in place but trump tore it apart.

We also had a pandemic department in the CDC here. Their only job was to prevent what is happening now.

We also had what Susan Rice called "Pandemic Response For Dummies" manual left for trump on what to do in case this happened.

Notice I said had. Past tense. trump fired that pandemic department and has totally ignored the plans to deal with this situation.

No trump isn't responsible for creating that virus and unleashing it on the world.

trump is responsible for his response, his lies, removing the people who are experts on this problem and not using the plan left for him to deal with this problem. Even though Obama and his team briefed trump and his team on all of it.

People are angry with China lying. So am I. But I'm not a hypocrite. I'm angry with trump for lying too. On top of all he has done to make this so much worse than it should have been.

You are hopeless

No, he is being truthful. Something you cannot work around.

:"China did everything right" --- BWK

Do you deny stating this? Do it! Deny it! LIE!

EVERYTHING? Hell no. But their response was light years ahead of ours even though their methods were more Draconian than anything we could have done here. Their testing regimen was WAY better. They are pretty much back in business. Apple has even reopened several of their manufacturing facilities and retail stores.

Back in business? We will see. I did Not take the virus seriously and it got me.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Stop blaming only Trump. Look in the mirror and I got this damn virus (cured and immune now). It sucked but I have has worse. Especially you Leftists, watch and then shut your damn mouths. The NYC Health Commissioner on Feb 6th said the risk of the disease in NYC is low and preparedness is high. So you want Trump to play doctor here but not play doctor now? Which is it? You people are a damn scourge.

No way. Is this Trump supporters next desperate attempt to deflect blame for their savior's inaction? If so, this is a new low and that downplayed the virus. makes me think that the average Trump supporter is beyond any reason.

The efforts of Trump, Mulvaney, McCarthy, and the rightwing message machine to blame the media for stoking panic didn't weather well. Now they're picking cherries to provide cover for Trump downplaying the virus.

Did you miss the OP, Jose? WE ALL downplayed the virus. Including you. Did you not click on the links?

I did click on the links, but even had I not, I would have known from the Navarro memo and the Red Dawn email chain that they couldn't show 'We all' downplayed it. The tightly edited snippets linked eliminate any mention of sources or context for their info. Local television stations had nothing comparable to the information available to government officials in January and early February.

There was a person in position to access all the information available at the time, and he downplayed it. Deflecting to Morning Joe doesn't make that any better.

It was not only morning Joe so you didn’t click the links. Show me one of your posts where you said we should shut down the country and cancel the NFL playoffs

I didn't say it was only Morning Joe. Is leaping to erroneous conclusions your superpower?

If you don't know about the Navarro memo or the Red Dawn email chain, inform yourself. For extra credit, search for the times Trump and pals accused the media of fomenting panic for the purpose of harming Trump. It will make a joke of your thread.

You sound stupid. I can elaborate but it would just embarrass you.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

MK,

You will not that Leftists will avoid this like the plague. Truth hurts them deeply.

Both sides need to quit the blame until this is over. Then we can analyze. What could we have been done better? What can we improve on for next time? I have been thinking a good bit on this. The political blame game reminds me of Benghazi. Instead of focusing on preventing future situations like it, politicals focused on partisan blame.

And for every Leftist blaming Trump there are Rightists blaming Dems and even Obama.

I make no secret about disliking Trump and his policies, but this time, for the first time in his presidency, he is faced with a crisis not of his own making. I think it’s comparable to 9/11 and will be a defining moment for his presidency. The combination of a worldwide pandemic and a worldwide recession is not something we’ve experienced in living memory. And the world is vastly different now than the when the Spanish flu hit.

No one person or agency or country is responsible for this. It is not a red state or blue state issue. No one is wanting the economy to crash or people to die.

Today’s reality is that new contagious virus‘ usually have already traveled far and wide before anyone even realizes what has happened. I just saw an article that stated it might have been in California as early as December.

So...quit blaming Trump, the Dems, China, WHO etc. No one could have fully anticipated this reality.

I do think Trump is doing his best and now takes it seriously, but I think the tools he has - his personality and management style make it difficult, because almost all of this is out of his control.

So, I will support his efforts to bring us through this, and likewise that of Pelosi, to ensure no one is left out. Let there be no forgotten man.

As soon as Donald takes TESTING seriously and stops hyping unproven drugs. As soon as he listens to REAL doctors and scientists and stops listening to Giuliani, Ingraham, Navarro and Doctor "Quack" Oz instead of the experts. As soon as he stops blaming everybody in the universe for his lame initial response and takes a bit of personal responsibility and shows a little actual LEADERSHIP - - - THEN I'll believe he's taking the problem seriously.

I think he is out of his depth here and doing the best he can. Until this is over, I don’t think we can fairly analyze it (and no, I don’t like the constant need to cast blame as opposed to just carry on, but it is who he is). And keep in mind, he is getting blamed unfairly as well.

Why can’t we all blame China?

It is convenient, but inaccurate. China screwed up and mislead, but I do not believe that would have changed the spread of something so contagious and asymptotic in it’s early stages or when people only have a mild case.

Maybe but if they contained it in Wuhan and told the rest of the world how contagious it was we would have had a 2 month head start on remedies, research, lockdowns and travel bans.

Possibly, but I am not sure they knew exactly what they were dealing with in those early days and more than likely it was already outside of Wuhan by the time they did. Keep in mind, the majority of people who get it, only get a mild case, like a flu or a cold. That said they could have been more cooperative earlier.

What would have helped is if trump had not reduced the United States CDC department in China from around 50 to 14.

Those people were put there to do exactly what wasn't done. Work with China to identify the virus, contain the virus and stop it. Report honestly to the rest of the world what is happening and work with the rest of the world on the problem.

We had that put in place but trump tore it apart.

We also had a pandemic department in the CDC here. Their only job was to prevent what is happening now.

We also had what Susan Rice called "Pandemic Response For Dummies" manual left for trump on what to do in case this happened.

Notice I said had. Past tense. trump fired that pandemic department and has totally ignored the plans to deal with this situation.

No trump isn't responsible for creating that virus and unleashing it on the world.

trump is responsible for his response, his lies, removing the people who are experts on this problem and not using the plan left for him to deal with this problem. Even though Obama and his team briefed trump and his team on all of it.

People are angry with China lying. So am I. But I'm not a hypocrite. I'm angry with trump for lying too. On top of all he has done to make this so much worse than it should have been.

You are hopeless

No, he is being truthful. Something you cannot work around.

:"China did everything right" --- BWK

Do you deny stating this? Do it! Deny it! LIE!

EVERYTHING? Hell no. But their response was light years ahead of ours even though their methods were more Draconian than anything we could have done here. They are pretty much back in business. Apple has even reopened several of their manufacturing facilities and retail stores.

All this juvenile dumb ass can do, is put in half a sentence to mean something that the other part of the sentence doesn't. He's dishonest and he lies. You put in the key word this coward won't; "response."

Then list the whole response and let us judge it. Don’t doctor it.

“China did everything right” —-BWK

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

MK,

You will not that Leftists will avoid this like the plague. Truth hurts them deeply.

Both sides need to quit the blame until this is over. Then we can analyze. What could we have been done better? What can we improve on for next time? I have been thinking a good bit on this. The political blame game reminds me of Benghazi. Instead of focusing on preventing future situations like it, politicals focused on partisan blame.

And for every Leftist blaming Trump there are Rightists blaming Dems and even Obama.

I make no secret about disliking Trump and his policies, but this time, for the first time in his presidency, he is faced with a crisis not of his own making. I think it’s comparable to 9/11 and will be a defining moment for his presidency. The combination of a worldwide pandemic and a worldwide recession is not something we’ve experienced in living memory. And the world is vastly different now than the when the Spanish flu hit.

No one person or agency or country is responsible for this. It is not a red state or blue state issue. No one is wanting the economy to crash or people to die.

Today’s reality is that new contagious virus‘ usually have already traveled far and wide before anyone even realizes what has happened. I just saw an article that stated it might have been in California as early as December.

So...quit blaming Trump, the Dems, China, WHO etc. No one could have fully anticipated this reality.

I do think Trump is doing his best and now takes it seriously, but I think the tools he has - his personality and management style make it difficult, because almost all of this is out of his control.

So, I will support his efforts to bring us through this, and likewise that of Pelosi, to ensure no one is left out. Let there be no forgotten man.

As soon as Donald takes TESTING seriously and stops hyping unproven drugs. As soon as he listens to REAL doctors and scientists and stops listening to Giuliani, Ingraham, Navarro and Doctor "Quack" Oz instead of the experts. As soon as he stops blaming everybody in the universe for his lame initial response and takes a bit of personal responsibility and shows a little actual LEADERSHIP - - - THEN I'll believe he's taking the problem seriously.

I think he is out of his depth here and doing the best he can. Until this is over, I don’t think we can fairly analyze it (and no, I don’t like the constant need to cast blame as opposed to just carry on, but it is who he is). And keep in mind, he is getting blamed unfairly as well.

Why can’t we all blame China?

It is convenient, but inaccurate. China screwed up and mislead, but I do not believe that would have changed the spread of something so contagious and asymptotic in it’s early stages or when people only have a mild case.

Maybe but if they contained it in Wuhan and told the rest of the world how contagious it was we would have had a 2 month head start on remedies, research, lockdowns and travel bans.

Possibly, but I am not sure they knew exactly what they were dealing with in those early days and more than likely it was already outside of Wuhan by the time they did. Keep in mind, the majority of people who get it, only get a mild case, like a flu or a cold. That said they could have been more cooperative earlier.

What would have helped is if trump had not reduced the United States CDC department in China from around 50 to 14.

Those people were put there to do exactly what wasn't done. Work with China to identify the virus, contain the virus and stop it. Report honestly to the rest of the world what is happening and work with the rest of the world on the problem.

We had that put in place but trump tore it apart.

We also had a pandemic department in the CDC here. Their only job was to prevent what is happening now.

We also had what Susan Rice called "Pandemic Response For Dummies" manual left for trump on what to do in case this happened.

Notice I said had. Past tense. trump fired that pandemic department and has totally ignored the plans to deal with this situation.

No trump isn't responsible for creating that virus and unleashing it on the world.

trump is responsible for his response, his lies, removing the people who are experts on this problem and not using the plan left for him to deal with this problem. Even though Obama and his team briefed trump and his team on all of it.

People are angry with China lying. So am I. But I'm not a hypocrite. I'm angry with trump for lying too. On top of all he has done to make this so much worse than it should have been.

You are hopeless

No, he is being truthful. Something you cannot work around.

:"China did everything right" --- BWK

Do you deny stating this? Do it! Deny it! LIE!

EVERYTHING? Hell no. But their response was light years ahead of ours even though their methods were more Draconian than anything we could have done here. Their testing regimen was WAY better. They are pretty much back in business. Apple has even reopened several of their manufacturing facilities and retail stores.

Chinese Virus

Bill Maher ripped for racist comments after saying ‘we should blame China’ for coronavirus

'There will always be idiots out there who want to indulge their prejudices,' Maher said.

www.google.com

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Stop blaming only Trump. Look in the mirror and I got this damn virus (cured and immune now). It sucked but I have has worse. Especially you Leftists, watch and then shut your damn mouths. The NYC Health Commissioner on Feb 6th said the risk of the disease in NYC is low and preparedness is high. So you want Trump to play doctor here but not play doctor now? Which is it? You people are a damn scourge.

No way. Is this Trump supporters next desperate attempt to deflect blame for their savior's inaction? If so, this is a new low and that downplayed the virus. makes me think that the average Trump supporter is beyond any reason.

The efforts of Trump, Mulvaney, McCarthy, and the rightwing message machine to blame the media for stoking panic didn't weather well. Now they're picking cherries to provide cover for Trump downplaying the virus.

Did you miss the OP, Jose? WE ALL downplayed the virus. Including you. Did you not click on the links?

I did click on the links, but even had I not, I would have known from the Navarro memo and the Red Dawn email chain that they couldn't show 'We all' downplayed it. The tightly edited snippets linked eliminate any mention of sources or context for their info. Local television stations had nothing comparable to the information available to government officials in January and early February.

There was a person in position to access all the information available at the time, and he downplayed it. Deflecting to Morning Joe doesn't make that any better.

It was not only morning Joe so you didn’t click the links. Show me one of your posts where you said we should shut down the country and cancel the NFL playoffs

I didn't say it was only Morning Joe. Is leaping to erroneous conclusions your superpower?

If you don't know about the Navarro memo or the Red Dawn email chain, inform yourself. For extra credit, search for the times Trump and pals accused the media of fomenting panic for the purpose of harming Trump. It will make a joke of your thread.

 

[joaquinmiller]

Stop blaming only Trump. Look in the mirror and I got this damn virus (cured and immune now). It sucked but I have has worse. Especially you Leftists, watch and then shut your damn mouths. The NYC Health Commissioner on Feb 6th said the risk of the disease in NYC is low and preparedness is high. So you want Trump to play doctor here but not play doctor now? Which is it? You people are a damn scourge.

No way. Is this Trump supporters next desperate attempt to deflect blame for their savior's inaction? If so, this is a new low and that downplayed the virus. makes me think that the average Trump supporter is beyond any reason.

The efforts of Trump, Mulvaney, McCarthy, and the rightwing message machine to blame the media for stoking panic didn't weather well. Now they're picking cherries to provide cover for Trump downplaying the virus.

Did you miss the OP, Jose? WE ALL downplayed the virus. Including you. Did you not click on the links?

I did click on the links, but even had I not, I would have known from the Navarro memo and the Red Dawn email chain that they couldn't show 'We all' downplayed it. The tightly edited snippets linked eliminate any mention of sources or context for their info. Local television stations had nothing comparable to the information available to government officials in January and early February.

There was a person in position to access all the information available at the time, and he downplayed it. Deflecting to Morning Joe doesn't make that any better.

It was not only morning Joe so you didn’t click the links. Show me one of your posts where you said we should shut down the country and cancel the NFL playoffs

I didn't say it was only Morning Joe. Is leaping to erroneous conclusions your superpower?

If you don't know about the Navarro memo or the Red Dawn email chain, inform yourself. For extra credit, search for the times Trump and pals accused the media of fomenting panic for the purpose of harming Trump. It will make a joke of your thread.

You sound stupid. I can elaborate but it would just embarrass you.

Go ahead and elaborate, twerp. Explain how my failure to name every talking head in your links means I didn't click on them. If you have a strong suit, it isn't logic.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Stop blaming only Trump. Look in the mirror and I got this damn virus (cured and immune now). It sucked but I have has worse. Especially you Leftists, watch and then shut your damn mouths. The NYC Health Commissioner on Feb 6th said the risk of the disease in NYC is low and preparedness is high. So you want Trump to play doctor here but not play doctor now? Which is it? You people are a damn scourge.

No way. Is this Trump supporters next desperate attempt to deflect blame for their savior's inaction? If so, this is a new low and that downplayed the virus. makes me think that the average Trump supporter is beyond any reason.

The efforts of Trump, Mulvaney, McCarthy, and the rightwing message machine to blame the media for stoking panic didn't weather well. Now they're picking cherries to provide cover for Trump downplaying the virus.

Did you miss the OP, Jose? WE ALL downplayed the virus. Including you. Did you not click on the links?

I did click on the links, but even had I not, I would have known from the Navarro memo and the Red Dawn email chain that they couldn't show 'We all' downplayed it. The tightly edited snippets linked eliminate any mention of sources or context for their info. Local television stations had nothing comparable to the information available to government officials in January and early February.

There was a person in position to access all the information available at the time, and he downplayed it. Deflecting to Morning Joe doesn't make that any better.

It was not only morning Joe so you didn’t click the links. Show me one of your posts where you said we should shut down the country and cancel the NFL playoffs

I didn't say it was only Morning Joe. Is leaping to erroneous conclusions your superpower?

If you don't know about the Navarro memo or the Red Dawn email chain, inform yourself. For extra credit, search for the times Trump and pals accused the media of fomenting panic for the purpose of harming Trump. It will make a joke of your thread.

You sound stupid. I can elaborate but it would just embarrass you.

Go ahead and elaborate, twerp. Explain how my failure to name every talking head in your links means I didn't click on them. If you have a strong suit, it isn't logic.

Hmmmm...well Pedro. We have had multiple Democrat debates, 90% of the news media is Left leaning and we have a Democrat House.
Not once did I hear a fear of a pandemic or Trumps handling of it mentioned until Mid March. Quite the opposite actually or nothing said at all. Then there is this!!!



How do you explain this? 2007...way before Trump...

 

[DrLove]

MK,

You will not that Leftists will avoid this like the plague. Truth hurts them deeply.

Both sides need to quit the blame until this is over. Then we can analyze. What could we have been done better? What can we improve on for next time? I have been thinking a good bit on this. The political blame game reminds me of Benghazi. Instead of focusing on preventing future situations like it, politicals focused on partisan blame.

And for every Leftist blaming Trump there are Rightists blaming Dems and even Obama.

I make no secret about disliking Trump and his policies, but this time, for the first time in his presidency, he is faced with a crisis not of his own making. I think it’s comparable to 9/11 and will be a defining moment for his presidency. The combination of a worldwide pandemic and a worldwide recession is not something we’ve experienced in living memory. And the world is vastly different now than the when the Spanish flu hit.

No one person or agency or country is responsible for this. It is not a red state or blue state issue. No one is wanting the economy to crash or people to die.

Today’s reality is that new contagious virus‘ usually have already traveled far and wide before anyone even realizes what has happened. I just saw an article that stated it might have been in California as early as December.

So...quit blaming Trump, the Dems, China, WHO etc. No one could have fully anticipated this reality.

I do think Trump is doing his best and now takes it seriously, but I think the tools he has - his personality and management style make it difficult, because almost all of this is out of his control.

So, I will support his efforts to bring us through this, and likewise that of Pelosi, to ensure no one is left out. Let there be no forgotten man.

As soon as Donald takes TESTING seriously and stops hyping unproven drugs. As soon as he listens to REAL doctors and scientists and stops listening to Giuliani, Ingraham, Navarro and Doctor "Quack" Oz instead of the experts. As soon as he stops blaming everybody in the universe for his lame initial response and takes a bit of personal responsibility and shows a little actual LEADERSHIP - - - THEN I'll believe he's taking the problem seriously.

I think he is out of his depth here and doing the best he can. Until this is over, I don’t think we can fairly analyze it (and no, I don’t like the constant need to cast blame as opposed to just carry on, but it is who he is). And keep in mind, he is getting blamed unfairly as well.

Why can’t we all blame China?

It is convenient, but inaccurate. China screwed up and mislead, but I do not believe that would have changed the spread of something so contagious and asymptotic in it’s early stages or when people only have a mild case.

Maybe but if they contained it in Wuhan and told the rest of the world how contagious it was we would have had a 2 month head start on remedies, research, lockdowns and travel bans.

Possibly, but I am not sure they knew exactly what they were dealing with in those early days and more than likely it was already outside of Wuhan by the time they did. Keep in mind, the majority of people who get it, only get a mild case, like a flu or a cold. That said they could have been more cooperative earlier.

What would have helped is if trump had not reduced the United States CDC department in China from around 50 to 14.

Those people were put there to do exactly what wasn't done. Work with China to identify the virus, contain the virus and stop it. Report honestly to the rest of the world what is happening and work with the rest of the world on the problem.

We had that put in place but trump tore it apart.

We also had a pandemic department in the CDC here. Their only job was to prevent what is happening now.

We also had what Susan Rice called "Pandemic Response For Dummies" manual left for trump on what to do in case this happened.

Notice I said had. Past tense. trump fired that pandemic department and has totally ignored the plans to deal with this situation.

No trump isn't responsible for creating that virus and unleashing it on the world.

trump is responsible for his response, his lies, removing the people who are experts on this problem and not using the plan left for him to deal with this problem. Even though Obama and his team briefed trump and his team on all of it.

People are angry with China lying. So am I. But I'm not a hypocrite. I'm angry with trump for lying too. On top of all he has done to make this so much worse than it should have been.

You are hopeless

No, he is being truthful. Something you cannot work around.

:"China did everything right" --- BWK

Do you deny stating this? Do it! Deny it! LIE!

EVERYTHING? Hell no. But their response was light years ahead of ours even though their methods were more Draconian than anything we could have done here. Their testing regimen was WAY better. They are pretty much back in business. Apple has even reopened several of their manufacturing facilities and retail stores.

Chinese Virus

Bill Maher ripped for racist comments after saying ‘we should blame China’ for coronavirus

'There will always be idiots out there who want to indulge their prejudices,' Maher said.

www.google.com

I prefer The Trump Virus

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

MK,

You will not that Leftists will avoid this like the plague. Truth hurts them deeply.

Both sides need to quit the blame until this is over. Then we can analyze. What could we have been done better? What can we improve on for next time? I have been thinking a good bit on this. The political blame game reminds me of Benghazi. Instead of focusing on preventing future situations like it, politicals focused on partisan blame.

And for every Leftist blaming Trump there are Rightists blaming Dems and even Obama.

I make no secret about disliking Trump and his policies, but this time, for the first time in his presidency, he is faced with a crisis not of his own making. I think it’s comparable to 9/11 and will be a defining moment for his presidency. The combination of a worldwide pandemic and a worldwide recession is not something we’ve experienced in living memory. And the world is vastly different now than the when the Spanish flu hit.

No one person or agency or country is responsible for this. It is not a red state or blue state issue. No one is wanting the economy to crash or people to die.

Today’s reality is that new contagious virus‘ usually have already traveled far and wide before anyone even realizes what has happened. I just saw an article that stated it might have been in California as early as December.

So...quit blaming Trump, the Dems, China, WHO etc. No one could have fully anticipated this reality.

I do think Trump is doing his best and now takes it seriously, but I think the tools he has - his personality and management style make it difficult, because almost all of this is out of his control.

So, I will support his efforts to bring us through this, and likewise that of Pelosi, to ensure no one is left out. Let there be no forgotten man.

As soon as Donald takes TESTING seriously and stops hyping unproven drugs. As soon as he listens to REAL doctors and scientists and stops listening to Giuliani, Ingraham, Navarro and Doctor "Quack" Oz instead of the experts. As soon as he stops blaming everybody in the universe for his lame initial response and takes a bit of personal responsibility and shows a little actual LEADERSHIP - - - THEN I'll believe he's taking the problem seriously.

I think he is out of his depth here and doing the best he can. Until this is over, I don’t think we can fairly analyze it (and no, I don’t like the constant need to cast blame as opposed to just carry on, but it is who he is). And keep in mind, he is getting blamed unfairly as well.

Why can’t we all blame China?

It is convenient, but inaccurate. China screwed up and mislead, but I do not believe that would have changed the spread of something so contagious and asymptotic in it’s early stages or when people only have a mild case.

Maybe but if they contained it in Wuhan and told the rest of the world how contagious it was we would have had a 2 month head start on remedies, research, lockdowns and travel bans.

Possibly, but I am not sure they knew exactly what they were dealing with in those early days and more than likely it was already outside of Wuhan by the time they did. Keep in mind, the majority of people who get it, only get a mild case, like a flu or a cold. That said they could have been more cooperative earlier.

What would have helped is if trump had not reduced the United States CDC department in China from around 50 to 14.

Those people were put there to do exactly what wasn't done. Work with China to identify the virus, contain the virus and stop it. Report honestly to the rest of the world what is happening and work with the rest of the world on the problem.

We had that put in place but trump tore it apart.

We also had a pandemic department in the CDC here. Their only job was to prevent what is happening now.

We also had what Susan Rice called "Pandemic Response For Dummies" manual left for trump on what to do in case this happened.

Notice I said had. Past tense. trump fired that pandemic department and has totally ignored the plans to deal with this situation.

No trump isn't responsible for creating that virus and unleashing it on the world.

trump is responsible for his response, his lies, removing the people who are experts on this problem and not using the plan left for him to deal with this problem. Even though Obama and his team briefed trump and his team on all of it.

People are angry with China lying. So am I. But I'm not a hypocrite. I'm angry with trump for lying too. On top of all he has done to make this so much worse than it should have been.

You are hopeless

No, he is being truthful. Something you cannot work around.

:"China did everything right" --- BWK

Do you deny stating this? Do it! Deny it! LIE!

EVERYTHING? Hell no. But their response was light years ahead of ours even though their methods were more Draconian than anything we could have done here. Their testing regimen was WAY better. They are pretty much back in business. Apple has even reopened several of their manufacturing facilities and retail stores.

Chinese Virus

Bill Maher ripped for racist comments after saying ‘we should blame China’ for coronavirus

'There will always be idiots out there who want to indulge their prejudices,' Maher said.

www.google.com

I prefer The Trump Virus

But that’s a lie and the Chinese wet markets are open again

 

[Rambunctious]

Its as if the media and the swampy dems wanted this virus to spread....

How so? Trump called it a hoax in the beginning. The Dems never lied about it like Trump. So why should the Dems be accused of wanting it to spread when they took it serious? You aren't making any sense.

Same old bullshit. Donnie blames his own ineptitude on Dem governors and mayors he doesn't like. Then he punishes them. Even has the audacity to blame it on Obama. It's always somebody else's fault. He takes no responsibility whatsoever - - - EVER.

He acts like a dictator/baby man child/ narcissistic pig/ racist/ criminal/ coward who couldn't take responsibility for his three month hiatus from reality of a major pandemic that was heading our way, and this pos loser dropped the ball. And these corralled sheep are still apologizing for this worthless slime. Trump is good for nothing.

He may have saved your ass pal....or someone you care about...but all you can do is whine....get ready to lose big in November...

 

[joaquinmiller]

MK,

You will not that Leftists will avoid this like the plague. Truth hurts them deeply.

Both sides need to quit the blame until this is over. Then we can analyze. What could we have been done better? What can we improve on for next time? I have been thinking a good bit on this. The political blame game reminds me of Benghazi. Instead of focusing on preventing future situations like it, politicals focused on partisan blame.

And for every Leftist blaming Trump there are Rightists blaming Dems and even Obama.

I make no secret about disliking Trump and his policies, but this time, for the first time in his presidency, he is faced with a crisis not of his own making. I think it’s comparable to 9/11 and will be a defining moment for his presidency. The combination of a worldwide pandemic and a worldwide recession is not something we’ve experienced in living memory. And the world is vastly different now than the when the Spanish flu hit.

No one person or agency or country is responsible for this. It is not a red state or blue state issue. No one is wanting the economy to crash or people to die.

Today’s reality is that new contagious virus‘ usually have already traveled far and wide before anyone even realizes what has happened. I just saw an article that stated it might have been in California as early as December.

So...quit blaming Trump, the Dems, China, WHO etc. No one could have fully anticipated this reality.

I do think Trump is doing his best and now takes it seriously, but I think the tools he has - his personality and management style make it difficult, because almost all of this is out of his control.

So, I will support his efforts to bring us through this, and likewise that of Pelosi, to ensure no one is left out. Let there be no forgotten man.

As soon as Donald takes TESTING seriously and stops hyping unproven drugs. As soon as he listens to REAL doctors and scientists and stops listening to Giuliani, Ingraham, Navarro and Doctor "Quack" Oz instead of the experts. As soon as he stops blaming everybody in the universe for his lame initial response and takes a bit of personal responsibility and shows a little actual LEADERSHIP - - - THEN I'll believe he's taking the problem seriously.

I think he is out of his depth here and doing the best he can. Until this is over, I don’t think we can fairly analyze it (and no, I don’t like the constant need to cast blame as opposed to just carry on, but it is who he is). And keep in mind, he is getting blamed unfairly as well.

Why can’t we all blame China?

It is convenient, but inaccurate. China screwed up and mislead, but I do not believe that would have changed the spread of something so contagious and asymptotic in it’s early stages or when people only have a mild case.

Maybe but if they contained it in Wuhan and told the rest of the world how contagious it was we would have had a 2 month head start on remedies, research, lockdowns and travel bans.

Possibly, but I am not sure they knew exactly what they were dealing with in those early days and more than likely it was already outside of Wuhan by the time they did. Keep in mind, the majority of people who get it, only get a mild case, like a flu or a cold. That said they could have been more cooperative earlier.

What would have helped is if trump had not reduced the United States CDC department in China from around 50 to 14.

Those people were put there to do exactly what wasn't done. Work with China to identify the virus, contain the virus and stop it. Report honestly to the rest of the world what is happening and work with the rest of the world on the problem.

We had that put in place but trump tore it apart.

We also had a pandemic department in the CDC here. Their only job was to prevent what is happening now.

We also had what Susan Rice called "Pandemic Response For Dummies" manual left for trump on what to do in case this happened.

Notice I said had. Past tense. trump fired that pandemic department and has totally ignored the plans to deal with this situation.

No trump isn't responsible for creating that virus and unleashing it on the world.

trump is responsible for his response, his lies, removing the people who are experts on this problem and not using the plan left for him to deal with this problem. Even though Obama and his team briefed trump and his team on all of it.

People are angry with China lying. So am I. But I'm not a hypocrite. I'm angry with trump for lying too. On top of all he has done to make this so much worse than it should have been.

You are hopeless

No, he is being truthful. Something you cannot work around.

:"China did everything right" --- BWK

Do you deny stating this? Do it! Deny it! LIE!

EVERYTHING? Hell no. But their response was light years ahead of ours even though their methods were more Draconian than anything we could have done here. Their testing regimen was WAY better. They are pretty much back in business. Apple has even reopened several of their manufacturing facilities and retail stores.

Chinese Virus

Bill Maher ripped for racist comments after saying ‘we should blame China’ for coronavirus

'There will always be idiots out there who want to indulge their prejudices,' Maher said.

www.google.com

I prefer The Trump Virus

The Trump Plague.

 

[Rambunctious]

MK,

You will not that Leftists will avoid this like the plague. Truth hurts them deeply.

Both sides need to quit the blame until this is over. Then we can analyze. What could we have been done better? What can we improve on for next time? I have been thinking a good bit on this. The political blame game reminds me of Benghazi. Instead of focusing on preventing future situations like it, politicals focused on partisan blame.

And for every Leftist blaming Trump there are Rightists blaming Dems and even Obama.

I make no secret about disliking Trump and his policies, but this time, for the first time in his presidency, he is faced with a crisis not of his own making. I think it’s comparable to 9/11 and will be a defining moment for his presidency. The combination of a worldwide pandemic and a worldwide recession is not something we’ve experienced in living memory. And the world is vastly different now than the when the Spanish flu hit.

No one person or agency or country is responsible for this. It is not a red state or blue state issue. No one is wanting the economy to crash or people to die.

Today’s reality is that new contagious virus‘ usually have already traveled far and wide before anyone even realizes what has happened. I just saw an article that stated it might have been in California as early as December.

So...quit blaming Trump, the Dems, China, WHO etc. No one could have fully anticipated this reality.

I do think Trump is doing his best and now takes it seriously, but I think the tools he has - his personality and management style make it difficult, because almost all of this is out of his control.

So, I will support his efforts to bring us through this, and likewise that of Pelosi, to ensure no one is left out. Let there be no forgotten man.

As soon as Donald takes TESTING seriously and stops hyping unproven drugs. As soon as he listens to REAL doctors and scientists and stops listening to Giuliani, Ingraham, Navarro and Doctor "Quack" Oz instead of the experts. As soon as he stops blaming everybody in the universe for his lame initial response and takes a bit of personal responsibility and shows a little actual LEADERSHIP - - - THEN I'll believe he's taking the problem seriously.

I think he is out of his depth here and doing the best he can. Until this is over, I don’t think we can fairly analyze it (and no, I don’t like the constant need to cast blame as opposed to just carry on, but it is who he is). And keep in mind, he is getting blamed unfairly as well.

Why can’t we all blame China?

It is convenient, but inaccurate. China screwed up and mislead, but I do not believe that would have changed the spread of something so contagious and asymptotic in it’s early stages or when people only have a mild case.

Maybe but if they contained it in Wuhan and told the rest of the world how contagious it was we would have had a 2 month head start on remedies, research, lockdowns and travel bans.

Possibly, but I am not sure they knew exactly what they were dealing with in those early days and more than likely it was already outside of Wuhan by the time they did. Keep in mind, the majority of people who get it, only get a mild case, like a flu or a cold. That said they could have been more cooperative earlier.

What would have helped is if trump had not reduced the United States CDC department in China from around 50 to 14.

Those people were put there to do exactly what wasn't done. Work with China to identify the virus, contain the virus and stop it. Report honestly to the rest of the world what is happening and work with the rest of the world on the problem.

We had that put in place but trump tore it apart.

We also had a pandemic department in the CDC here. Their only job was to prevent what is happening now.

We also had what Susan Rice called "Pandemic Response For Dummies" manual left for trump on what to do in case this happened.

Notice I said had. Past tense. trump fired that pandemic department and has totally ignored the plans to deal with this situation.

No trump isn't responsible for creating that virus and unleashing it on the world.

trump is responsible for his response, his lies, removing the people who are experts on this problem and not using the plan left for him to deal with this problem. Even though Obama and his team briefed trump and his team on all of it.

People are angry with China lying. So am I. But I'm not a hypocrite. I'm angry with trump for lying too. On top of all he has done to make this so much worse than it should have been.

You are hopeless

No, he is being truthful. Something you cannot work around.

:"China did everything right" --- BWK

Do you deny stating this? Do it! Deny it! LIE!

EVERYTHING? Hell no. But their response was light years ahead of ours even though their methods were more Draconian than anything we could have done here. Their testing regimen was WAY better. They are pretty much back in business. Apple has even reopened several of their manufacturing facilities and retail stores.

Chinese Virus

Bill Maher ripped for racist comments after saying ‘we should blame China’ for coronavirus

'There will always be idiots out there who want to indulge their prejudices,' Maher said.

www.google.com

I prefer The Trump Virus

Butthurt trash makes me sick...get ready for a Trump landslide in November...millions of us appreciate him for his handling of this crises...MAGA.....

 

[Rambunctious]

MK,

You will not that Leftists will avoid this like the plague. Truth hurts them deeply.

Both sides need to quit the blame until this is over. Then we can analyze. What could we have been done better? What can we improve on for next time? I have been thinking a good bit on this. The political blame game reminds me of Benghazi. Instead of focusing on preventing future situations like it, politicals focused on partisan blame.

And for every Leftist blaming Trump there are Rightists blaming Dems and even Obama.

I make no secret about disliking Trump and his policies, but this time, for the first time in his presidency, he is faced with a crisis not of his own making. I think it’s comparable to 9/11 and will be a defining moment for his presidency. The combination of a worldwide pandemic and a worldwide recession is not something we’ve experienced in living memory. And the world is vastly different now than the when the Spanish flu hit.

No one person or agency or country is responsible for this. It is not a red state or blue state issue. No one is wanting the economy to crash or people to die.

Today’s reality is that new contagious virus‘ usually have already traveled far and wide before anyone even realizes what has happened. I just saw an article that stated it might have been in California as early as December.

So...quit blaming Trump, the Dems, China, WHO etc. No one could have fully anticipated this reality.

I do think Trump is doing his best and now takes it seriously, but I think the tools he has - his personality and management style make it difficult, because almost all of this is out of his control.

So, I will support his efforts to bring us through this, and likewise that of Pelosi, to ensure no one is left out. Let there be no forgotten man.

As soon as Donald takes TESTING seriously and stops hyping unproven drugs. As soon as he listens to REAL doctors and scientists and stops listening to Giuliani, Ingraham, Navarro and Doctor "Quack" Oz instead of the experts. As soon as he stops blaming everybody in the universe for his lame initial response and takes a bit of personal responsibility and shows a little actual LEADERSHIP - - - THEN I'll believe he's taking the problem seriously.

I think he is out of his depth here and doing the best he can. Until this is over, I don’t think we can fairly analyze it (and no, I don’t like the constant need to cast blame as opposed to just carry on, but it is who he is). And keep in mind, he is getting blamed unfairly as well.

Why can’t we all blame China?

It is convenient, but inaccurate. China screwed up and mislead, but I do not believe that would have changed the spread of something so contagious and asymptotic in it’s early stages or when people only have a mild case.

Maybe but if they contained it in Wuhan and told the rest of the world how contagious it was we would have had a 2 month head start on remedies, research, lockdowns and travel bans.

Possibly, but I am not sure they knew exactly what they were dealing with in those early days and more than likely it was already outside of Wuhan by the time they did. Keep in mind, the majority of people who get it, only get a mild case, like a flu or a cold. That said they could have been more cooperative earlier.

What would have helped is if trump had not reduced the United States CDC department in China from around 50 to 14.

Those people were put there to do exactly what wasn't done. Work with China to identify the virus, contain the virus and stop it. Report honestly to the rest of the world what is happening and work with the rest of the world on the problem.

We had that put in place but trump tore it apart.

We also had a pandemic department in the CDC here. Their only job was to prevent what is happening now.

We also had what Susan Rice called "Pandemic Response For Dummies" manual left for trump on what to do in case this happened.

Notice I said had. Past tense. trump fired that pandemic department and has totally ignored the plans to deal with this situation.

No trump isn't responsible for creating that virus and unleashing it on the world.

trump is responsible for his response, his lies, removing the people who are experts on this problem and not using the plan left for him to deal with this problem. Even though Obama and his team briefed trump and his team on all of it.

People are angry with China lying. So am I. But I'm not a hypocrite. I'm angry with trump for lying too. On top of all he has done to make this so much worse than it should have been.

You are hopeless

No, he is being truthful. Something you cannot work around.

:"China did everything right" --- BWK

Do you deny stating this? Do it! Deny it! LIE!

EVERYTHING? Hell no. But their response was light years ahead of ours even though their methods were more Draconian than anything we could have done here. Their testing regimen was WAY better. They are pretty much back in business. Apple has even reopened several of their manufacturing facilities and retail stores.

Chinese Virus

Bill Maher ripped for racist comments after saying ‘we should blame China’ for coronavirus

'There will always be idiots out there who want to indulge their prejudices,' Maher said.

www.google.com

I prefer The Trump Virus

The Trump Plague.

Sure don't blame your good pals the red Chinese...disgusting...

 

[joaquinmiller]

Stop blaming only Trump. Look in the mirror and I got this damn virus (cured and immune now). It sucked but I have has worse. Especially you Leftists, watch and then shut your damn mouths. The NYC Health Commissioner on Feb 6th said the risk of the disease in NYC is low and preparedness is high. So you want Trump to play doctor here but not play doctor now? Which is it? You people are a damn scourge.

No way. Is this Trump supporters next desperate attempt to deflect blame for their savior's inaction? If so, this is a new low and that downplayed the virus. makes me think that the average Trump supporter is beyond any reason.

The efforts of Trump, Mulvaney, McCarthy, and the rightwing message machine to blame the media for stoking panic didn't weather well. Now they're picking cherries to provide cover for Trump downplaying the virus.

Did you miss the OP, Jose? WE ALL downplayed the virus. Including you. Did you not click on the links?

I did click on the links, but even had I not, I would have known from the Navarro memo and the Red Dawn email chain that they couldn't show 'We all' downplayed it. The tightly edited snippets linked eliminate any mention of sources or context for their info. Local television stations had nothing comparable to the information available to government officials in January and early February.

There was a person in position to access all the information available at the time, and he downplayed it. Deflecting to Morning Joe doesn't make that any better.

It was not only morning Joe so you didn’t click the links. Show me one of your posts where you said we should shut down the country and cancel the NFL playoffs

I didn't say it was only Morning Joe. Is leaping to erroneous conclusions your superpower?

If you don't know about the Navarro memo or the Red Dawn email chain, inform yourself. For extra credit, search for the times Trump and pals accused the media of fomenting panic for the purpose of harming Trump. It will make a joke of your thread.

You sound stupid. I can elaborate but it would just embarrass you.

Go ahead and elaborate, twerp. Explain how my failure to name every talking head in your links means I didn't click on them. If you have a strong suit, it isn't logic.

Hmmmm...well Pedro. We have had multiple Democrat debates, 90% of the news media is Left leaning and we have a Democrat House.
Not once did I hear a fear of a pandemic or Trumps handling of it mentioned until Mid March. Quite the opposite actually or nothing said at all. Then there is this!!!



How do you explain this? 2007...way before Trump...

Don't hurt yourself moving the goalposts. It doesn't matter what you heard. There is ample evidence that professionals in the administration were taking it very seriously in January. They weren't downplaying it - they just couldn't get a hearing from Orange Judas.

 

[DrLove]

MK,

You will not that Leftists will avoid this like the plague. Truth hurts them deeply.

Both sides need to quit the blame until this is over. Then we can analyze. What could we have been done better? What can we improve on for next time? I have been thinking a good bit on this. The political blame game reminds me of Benghazi. Instead of focusing on preventing future situations like it, politicals focused on partisan blame.

And for every Leftist blaming Trump there are Rightists blaming Dems and even Obama.

I make no secret about disliking Trump and his policies, but this time, for the first time in his presidency, he is faced with a crisis not of his own making. I think it’s comparable to 9/11 and will be a defining moment for his presidency. The combination of a worldwide pandemic and a worldwide recession is not something we’ve experienced in living memory. And the world is vastly different now than the when the Spanish flu hit.

No one person or agency or country is responsible for this. It is not a red state or blue state issue. No one is wanting the economy to crash or people to die.

Today’s reality is that new contagious virus‘ usually have already traveled far and wide before anyone even realizes what has happened. I just saw an article that stated it might have been in California as early as December.

So...quit blaming Trump, the Dems, China, WHO etc. No one could have fully anticipated this reality.

I do think Trump is doing his best and now takes it seriously, but I think the tools he has - his personality and management style make it difficult, because almost all of this is out of his control.

So, I will support his efforts to bring us through this, and likewise that of Pelosi, to ensure no one is left out. Let there be no forgotten man.

As soon as Donald takes TESTING seriously and stops hyping unproven drugs. As soon as he listens to REAL doctors and scientists and stops listening to Giuliani, Ingraham, Navarro and Doctor "Quack" Oz instead of the experts. As soon as he stops blaming everybody in the universe for his lame initial response and takes a bit of personal responsibility and shows a little actual LEADERSHIP - - - THEN I'll believe he's taking the problem seriously.

I think he is out of his depth here and doing the best he can. Until this is over, I don’t think we can fairly analyze it (and no, I don’t like the constant need to cast blame as opposed to just carry on, but it is who he is). And keep in mind, he is getting blamed unfairly as well.

Why can’t we all blame China?

It is convenient, but inaccurate. China screwed up and mislead, but I do not believe that would have changed the spread of something so contagious and asymptotic in it’s early stages or when people only have a mild case.

Maybe but if they contained it in Wuhan and told the rest of the world how contagious it was we would have had a 2 month head start on remedies, research, lockdowns and travel bans.

Possibly, but I am not sure they knew exactly what they were dealing with in those early days and more than likely it was already outside of Wuhan by the time they did. Keep in mind, the majority of people who get it, only get a mild case, like a flu or a cold. That said they could have been more cooperative earlier.

What would have helped is if trump had not reduced the United States CDC department in China from around 50 to 14.

Those people were put there to do exactly what wasn't done. Work with China to identify the virus, contain the virus and stop it. Report honestly to the rest of the world what is happening and work with the rest of the world on the problem.

We had that put in place but trump tore it apart.

We also had a pandemic department in the CDC here. Their only job was to prevent what is happening now.

We also had what Susan Rice called "Pandemic Response For Dummies" manual left for trump on what to do in case this happened.

Notice I said had. Past tense. trump fired that pandemic department and has totally ignored the plans to deal with this situation.

No trump isn't responsible for creating that virus and unleashing it on the world.

trump is responsible for his response, his lies, removing the people who are experts on this problem and not using the plan left for him to deal with this problem. Even though Obama and his team briefed trump and his team on all of it.

People are angry with China lying. So am I. But I'm not a hypocrite. I'm angry with trump for lying too. On top of all he has done to make this so much worse than it should have been.

You are hopeless

No, he is being truthful. Something you cannot work around.

:"China did everything right" --- BWK

Do you deny stating this? Do it! Deny it! LIE!

EVERYTHING? Hell no. But their response was light years ahead of ours even though their methods were more Draconian than anything we could have done here. Their testing regimen was WAY better. They are pretty much back in business. Apple has even reopened several of their manufacturing facilities and retail stores.

Chinese Virus

Bill Maher ripped for racist comments after saying ‘we should blame China’ for coronavirus

'There will always be idiots out there who want to indulge their prejudices,' Maher said.

www.google.com

I prefer The Trump Virus

But that’s a lie and the Chinese wet markets are open again

Patience please on the origins Azog. There are many disagreements and discrepancies as to origin.
But yes, the wet markets are a problem and have been for some time.

 

[joaquinmiller]

MK,

You will not that Leftists will avoid this like the plague. Truth hurts them deeply.

Both sides need to quit the blame until this is over. Then we can analyze. What could we have been done better? What can we improve on for next time? I have been thinking a good bit on this. The political blame game reminds me of Benghazi. Instead of focusing on preventing future situations like it, politicals focused on partisan blame.

And for every Leftist blaming Trump there are Rightists blaming Dems and even Obama.

I make no secret about disliking Trump and his policies, but this time, for the first time in his presidency, he is faced with a crisis not of his own making. I think it’s comparable to 9/11 and will be a defining moment for his presidency. The combination of a worldwide pandemic and a worldwide recession is not something we’ve experienced in living memory. And the world is vastly different now than the when the Spanish flu hit.

No one person or agency or country is responsible for this. It is not a red state or blue state issue. No one is wanting the economy to crash or people to die.

Today’s reality is that new contagious virus‘ usually have already traveled far and wide before anyone even realizes what has happened. I just saw an article that stated it might have been in California as early as December.

So...quit blaming Trump, the Dems, China, WHO etc. No one could have fully anticipated this reality.

I do think Trump is doing his best and now takes it seriously, but I think the tools he has - his personality and management style make it difficult, because almost all of this is out of his control.

So, I will support his efforts to bring us through this, and likewise that of Pelosi, to ensure no one is left out. Let there be no forgotten man.

As soon as Donald takes TESTING seriously and stops hyping unproven drugs. As soon as he listens to REAL doctors and scientists and stops listening to Giuliani, Ingraham, Navarro and Doctor "Quack" Oz instead of the experts. As soon as he stops blaming everybody in the universe for his lame initial response and takes a bit of personal responsibility and shows a little actual LEADERSHIP - - - THEN I'll believe he's taking the problem seriously.

I think he is out of his depth here and doing the best he can. Until this is over, I don’t think we can fairly analyze it (and no, I don’t like the constant need to cast blame as opposed to just carry on, but it is who he is). And keep in mind, he is getting blamed unfairly as well.

Why can’t we all blame China?

It is convenient, but inaccurate. China screwed up and mislead, but I do not believe that would have changed the spread of something so contagious and asymptotic in it’s early stages or when people only have a mild case.

Maybe but if they contained it in Wuhan and told the rest of the world how contagious it was we would have had a 2 month head start on remedies, research, lockdowns and travel bans.

Possibly, but I am not sure they knew exactly what they were dealing with in those early days and more than likely it was already outside of Wuhan by the time they did. Keep in mind, the majority of people who get it, only get a mild case, like a flu or a cold. That said they could have been more cooperative earlier.

What would have helped is if trump had not reduced the United States CDC department in China from around 50 to 14.

Those people were put there to do exactly what wasn't done. Work with China to identify the virus, contain the virus and stop it. Report honestly to the rest of the world what is happening and work with the rest of the world on the problem.

We had that put in place but trump tore it apart.

We also had a pandemic department in the CDC here. Their only job was to prevent what is happening now.

We also had what Susan Rice called "Pandemic Response For Dummies" manual left for trump on what to do in case this happened.

Notice I said had. Past tense. trump fired that pandemic department and has totally ignored the plans to deal with this situation.

No trump isn't responsible for creating that virus and unleashing it on the world.

trump is responsible for his response, his lies, removing the people who are experts on this problem and not using the plan left for him to deal with this problem. Even though Obama and his team briefed trump and his team on all of it.

People are angry with China lying. So am I. But I'm not a hypocrite. I'm angry with trump for lying too. On top of all he has done to make this so much worse than it should have been.

You are hopeless

No, he is being truthful. Something you cannot work around.

:"China did everything right" --- BWK

Do you deny stating this? Do it! Deny it! LIE!

EVERYTHING? Hell no. But their response was light years ahead of ours even though their methods were more Draconian than anything we could have done here. Their testing regimen was WAY better. They are pretty much back in business. Apple has even reopened several of their manufacturing facilities and retail stores.

Chinese Virus

Bill Maher ripped for racist comments after saying ‘we should blame China’ for coronavirus

'There will always be idiots out there who want to indulge their prejudices,' Maher said.

www.google.com

I prefer The Trump Virus

The Trump Plague.

Sure don't blame your good pals the red Chinese...disgusting...

The Chinese aren't my pals. And the buffoon who assured you a dozen times the coronavirus was under control isn't my pal or yours. It appears Mother Nature is to blame, but we're responsible for our actions, not hers.