what are you going to do?????

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Okay, now that they passed Obamacare, and taxes on you will skyrocket what are you goingi to do? Are you going to vote Obama back in or vote him out???????

I damn sure am voting him out.

You weren’t going to vote for the president regardless the ACA decision.

 

[ecinicola]

It will have zero negative impact on me; I have health insurance and part of the cost of my insurance goes to treating the uninsured. If all Americans were insured the cost of health insurance might even go down or at least stop growing as it has for the past decades.

The sad fact is the American people are too lazy or too stupid to think about the issue of health care until they need it; most simply adopt and parrot the comments of the talking heads on TV.

1. No one is immune from death and dying.

2. An ounce of prevention is less costly than pounds of cure.

3. Prevention includes education and proactive personal health care.

4. Denial can be fatal.

5, Stupidity too.

that's right, the AMerican people are stupid. well half of em anyway, the voted for obamatax.

Damn, reading comprehension and writing are skills you may want to develop, WT.

Some Americans are stupid, those who don't have medical insurance, smoke, eat fried foods often, and eat mostly junk food, don't exercise, are overweight and don't have see a personal physician on a regular basis. These are the ones who have diabetes and don't know it and cost all of us as they lose toes and feet and legs over time; the ones who develop cancers too late or have a compromised immue system and catch and transmit disease to others in theaters, stores and public transportaton.

THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD iNSURANCE, AND ITS NOT A MATTER OF THEM BEING LAZY OR STUPID. THEY SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. JUST BECAUSE YOUR IN A GOOD SITUATION ON IT, DOESN'T MEAN OTHERS ARE. I HAVE INSURANCE ALSO, BUT I SEE LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD IT AND ALREADY DOING WITHOUT MANY THINGS.
THE ECONOMY SURE ISN'T GOING TO HELP THEM. AND BEING FORCED TO BUY IT OR iRS WILL COME AFTER YOU, IS JUST ANOTHER MAJOR PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE. EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP, AND THE HARDSHIPS ON PEOPLE ARE UNREAL. AND THIS IS JUST ADDED HARDSHIPS.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Okay,

one of you liars tell me how and where my taxes will skyrocket:

I'm a wage earner, average salary, employer provided healthcare.

Ignorance is bliss. Innit? You live in Nirvana.

IOW, you can't tell me how and where my taxes will skyrocket.

Nobody in this thread can. The OP is a liar and an idiot. How sad is it to have to live a life based on lies?

 

[Too Tall]

No, taxes are not going to skyrocket, and you represent just one vote. And I will vote for President Obama.

The massive under funded mandate that will be placed on state governments to put 50 million people on Medicaid will result in 10's of thousands of new state government employees to administer the program. And they all get paid with taxpayers money.

There are fools and there are damned fools. Damned fools think that taxes won't 'skyrocket.'

Health care insurance premiums on average went up 9% last year and only 15 or 20 per cent of the ACHA has been implemented. Only a fool would think they won't 'skyrocket' when the other 80 or 85 percent of comes into effect over the next two years.

Only a damned fool would even consider giving the lying bastard another 4 years to screw the middle class out of everything they have worked for.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Skull,

Please learn what the law means for you.

After The Ruling: A Consumer

Learn what it will do to my current plan

New health care laws and impact on HSA's, FSA's, and HRA's - Health Insurance Quote

H.R.3590 sets new requirements for all insurance policies, including HDHPs. For example, all insurance policies will be required to provide first dollar coverage for preventive care services. In addition, the preventive services must be covered without any cost-sharing (e.g., copayments) or application of any deductibles. While HDHPs are currently allowed to provide first dollar coverage of preventive care services, and most do, in the future all HDHPs will be required to do so. These provisions will go into effect in 2010.

Right now my high deductible plan does not cover forst dollar expenses of preventive care.

I pay out of pocket and that's just fine with me.

Now I will have to find another most likely much more expensive plan that covers the first dollar of preventive care.

The issue is not with what you said about YOU.....it is about your 10 employees. I didn't expect someone with your resources to be too fucking cheap ( and stupid) to buy a comprehensive low deductable plan for yourself.

 

[NYcarbineer]

that's right, the AMerican people are stupid. well half of em anyway, the voted for obamatax.

Damn, reading comprehension and writing are skills you may want to develop, WT.

Some Americans are stupid, those who don't have medical insurance, smoke, eat fried foods often, and eat mostly junk food, don't exercise, are overweight and don't have see a personal physician on a regular basis. These are the ones who have diabetes and don't know it and cost all of us as they lose toes and feet and legs over time; the ones who develop cancers too late or have a compromised immue system and catch and transmit disease to others in theaters, stores and public transportaton.

THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD iNSURANCE, AND ITS NOT A MATTER OF THEM BEING LAZY OR STUPID. THEY SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. JUST BECAUSE YOUR IN A GOOD SITUATION ON IT, DOESN'T MEAN OTHERS ARE. I HAVE INSURANCE ALSO, BUT I SEE LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD IT AND ALREADY DOING WITHOUT MANY THINGS.
THE ECONOMY SURE ISN'T GOING TO HELP THEM. AND BEING FORCED TO BUY IT OR iRS WILL COME AFTER YOU, IS JUST ANOTHER MAJOR PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE. EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP, AND THE HARDSHIPS ON PEOPLE ARE UNREAL. AND THIS IS JUST ADDED HARDSHIPS.

Low income Americans can get Medicaid, which of course conservatives would love to get rid of. They will also get help, based on their incomes, to pay for insurance in compliance with the mandate.

 

[Too Tall]

Okay,

one of you liars tell me how and where my taxes will skyrocket:

I'm a wage earner, average salary, employer provided healthcare.

Ignorance is bliss. Innit? You live in Nirvana.

IOW, you can't tell me how and where my taxes will skyrocket.

Nobody in this thread can. The OP is a liar and an idiot. How sad is it to have to live a life based on lies?

Read post #164 and the items I listed are just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Too Tall]

Damn, reading comprehension and writing are skills you may want to develop, WT.

Some Americans are stupid, those who don't have medical insurance, smoke, eat fried foods often, and eat mostly junk food, don't exercise, are overweight and don't have see a personal physician on a regular basis. These are the ones who have diabetes and don't know it and cost all of us as they lose toes and feet and legs over time; the ones who develop cancers too late or have a compromised immue system and catch and transmit disease to others in theaters, stores and public transportaton.

THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD iNSURANCE, AND ITS NOT A MATTER OF THEM BEING LAZY OR STUPID. THEY SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. JUST BECAUSE YOUR IN A GOOD SITUATION ON IT, DOESN'T MEAN OTHERS ARE. I HAVE INSURANCE ALSO, BUT I SEE LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD IT AND ALREADY DOING WITHOUT MANY THINGS.
THE ECONOMY SURE ISN'T GOING TO HELP THEM. AND BEING FORCED TO BUY IT OR iRS WILL COME AFTER YOU, IS JUST ANOTHER MAJOR PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE. EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP, AND THE HARDSHIPS ON PEOPLE ARE UNREAL. AND THIS IS JUST ADDED HARDSHIPS.

Low income Americans can get Medicaid, which of course conservatives would love to get rid of. They will also get help, based on their incomes, to pay for insurance in compliance with the mandate.

I do find it amazing that you know what conservatives love. Is that a special gift or is it merely a line of a Dem talking point?

Where do they get the money to pay for their insurance?

 

[NYcarbineer]

THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD iNSURANCE, AND ITS NOT A MATTER OF THEM BEING LAZY OR STUPID. THEY SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. JUST BECAUSE YOUR IN A GOOD SITUATION ON IT, DOESN'T MEAN OTHERS ARE. I HAVE INSURANCE ALSO, BUT I SEE LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD IT AND ALREADY DOING WITHOUT MANY THINGS.
THE ECONOMY SURE ISN'T GOING TO HELP THEM. AND BEING FORCED TO BUY IT OR iRS WILL COME AFTER YOU, IS JUST ANOTHER MAJOR PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE. EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP, AND THE HARDSHIPS ON PEOPLE ARE UNREAL. AND THIS IS JUST ADDED HARDSHIPS.

Low income Americans can get Medicaid, which of course conservatives would love to get rid of. They will also get help, based on their incomes, to pay for insurance in compliance with the mandate.

I do find it amazing that you know what conservatives love. Is that a special gift or is it merely a line of a Dem talking point?

Where do they get the money to pay for their insurance?

Conservatives tell me Medicaid is unconstitutional all the time. Are you saying they're full of shit?

Conservatives tell me all the time that giving government aid to poor people does more harm than good. Are you saying they're full of shit?

Conservatives tell me all the time that the war on poverty, which included the creation of Medicaid, is a failure and should be ended. Are you saying they're full of shit?

 

[NYcarbineer]

No, taxes are not going to skyrocket, and you represent just one vote. And I will vote for President Obama.

The massive under funded mandate that will be placed on state governments to put 50 million people on Medicaid will result in 10's of thousands of new state government employees to administer the program. And they all get paid with taxpayers money.

There are fools and there are damned fools. Damned fools think that taxes won't 'skyrocket.'

Health care insurance premiums on average went up 9% last year and only 15 or 20 per cent of the ACHA has been implemented. Only a fool would think they won't 'skyrocket' when the other 80 or 85 percent of comes into effect over the next two years.

Only a damned fool would even consider giving the lying bastard another 4 years to screw the middle class out of everything they have worked for.

Your fantasies don't count.

Mitt Romney has promised to increase defense spending. Is it thus fair and accurate to assume that our taxes will have to go up to pay for that?

 

[Seawytch]

You have a shitty plan. You have a shitty plan because for decades insurance companies have been allowed to run the table and make good, decent, affordable health care a triple oxymoron. I know it sounds CRAZY but having a minimum standard of care is actually a good thing. I mean, if you enjoy paying money for a shitty health care plan, that's great.

I have a plan that completely suits my needs. It has a health savings account attached so the money I save can grow tax deferred for future medical costs.

If I want to pay cash for my annual physical why the fuck do you care?

You do realize you get to keep the insurance you're on, right? The "minimum coverage" clause applies to insurers. THEY have to justify what they're charging you. So in the long-run you may get better bang for your buck.

Like these folks?

Health Insurance Companies To Pay Out More Than $1 Billion In Rebates To Customers: Reports

 

[Seawytch]

For those of you who still have not figured it out


If the supreme court says it is a tax, it is a tax. ObamaCare includes a NEW tax. So stop saying that taxes did not rise with Obamacare. Stop repeating the leftist propaganda that Obama did not raise taxes on the middle class.

He did, and that is why the economy is suffering. You raised taxes during a recession, Democrats. That is why "Big Brother Obama" and his team of jackasses are on the way out. Understand?

It's a user fee, just like all those fees in Massachusetts that Romney imposed that he insists weren't taxes.

You mean that one that was only paid by 1 percent of the residents of Massachusetts?

One reason the mandate has failed to undermine that support is that so few people have had to pay. In 2009, the most recent year for which the state has figures, less than 1 percent of residents drew the penalty.
​

In Mass., individual mandate sparks little outcry

 

[Seawytch]

THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD iNSURANCE, AND ITS NOT A MATTER OF THEM BEING LAZY OR STUPID. THEY SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. JUST BECAUSE YOUR IN A GOOD SITUATION ON IT, DOESN'T MEAN OTHERS ARE. I HAVE INSURANCE ALSO, BUT I SEE LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD IT AND ALREADY DOING WITHOUT MANY THINGS.
THE ECONOMY SURE ISN'T GOING TO HELP THEM. AND BEING FORCED TO BUY IT OR iRS WILL COME AFTER YOU, IS JUST ANOTHER MAJOR PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE. EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP, AND THE HARDSHIPS ON PEOPLE ARE UNREAL. AND THIS IS JUST ADDED HARDSHIPS.

The ACA will help them, not hurt them.

The Affordable Care Act: The First Year - DISCOVER WHAT THE NEW LAW
MEANS FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY

The Health Care Law & You

 

[dblack]

THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD iNSURANCE, AND ITS NOT A MATTER OF THEM BEING LAZY OR STUPID. THEY SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. JUST BECAUSE YOUR IN A GOOD SITUATION ON IT, DOESN'T MEAN OTHERS ARE. I HAVE INSURANCE ALSO, BUT I SEE LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD IT AND ALREADY DOING WITHOUT MANY THINGS.
THE ECONOMY SURE ISN'T GOING TO HELP THEM. AND BEING FORCED TO BUY IT OR iRS WILL COME AFTER YOU, IS JUST ANOTHER MAJOR PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE. EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP, AND THE HARDSHIPS ON PEOPLE ARE UNREAL. AND THIS IS JUST ADDED HARDSHIPS.

The ACA will help them, not hurt them.

The Affordable Care Act: The First Year - DISCOVER WHAT THE NEW LAW
MEANS FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY

The Health Care Law & You

By "them", you mean the insurance companies?

 

[chikenwing]

Costa Rica is looking good right now.

First time in my life I have really thought that it could be a better thing,you have but one shot at life on this planet.

We know people that have retired down there they say its great. The fishing is also fantastic.

 

[chikenwing]

THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD iNSURANCE, AND ITS NOT A MATTER OF THEM BEING LAZY OR STUPID. THEY SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. JUST BECAUSE YOUR IN A GOOD SITUATION ON IT, DOESN'T MEAN OTHERS ARE. I HAVE INSURANCE ALSO, BUT I SEE LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AFFORD IT AND ALREADY DOING WITHOUT MANY THINGS.
THE ECONOMY SURE ISN'T GOING TO HELP THEM. AND BEING FORCED TO BUY IT OR iRS WILL COME AFTER YOU, IS JUST ANOTHER MAJOR PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE. EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP, AND THE HARDSHIPS ON PEOPLE ARE UNREAL. AND THIS IS JUST ADDED HARDSHIPS.

The ACA will help them, not hurt them.

The Affordable Care Act: The First Year - DISCOVER WHAT THE NEW LAW
MEANS FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY

The Health Care Law & You

All generalizations nothing with real meat for real people.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

No, taxes are not going to skyrocket, and you represent just one vote. And I will vote for President Obama.

The massive under funded mandate that will be placed on state governments to put 50 million people on Medicaid will result in 10's of thousands of new state government employees to administer the program. And they all get paid with taxpayers money.

There are fools and there are damned fools. Damned fools think that taxes won't 'skyrocket.'

Health care insurance premiums on average went up 9% last year and only 15 or 20 per cent of the ACHA has been implemented. Only a fool would think they won't 'skyrocket' when the other 80 or 85 percent of comes into effect over the next two years.

Only a damned fool would even consider giving the lying bastard another 4 years to screw the middle class out of everything they have worked for.

It's not underfunded, genius. Did you not read the gobs of links provided that show you exactly HOW it's funded?

This is really quite simple, Stoops McGoops,

-Minimum Standard of Care: Will drastically improve what your health care provider HAS TO PROVIDE FOR YOU FOR THE SAME COSTS. How can we do that? Well, that's why we make sure there are many, many more people covered. Keeps costs down, innit?

-Want to make sure there's even more funding for this program? Cool. Stop the Bust Tax Cuts. Cutting them would 100% fund the ACA.

-THE ONLY TAX YOU ARE GOING TO PAY ON THIS PROGRAM IS IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE!! So if you want to get a free ride on the tax payers' dime, then you pay a fine/fee/tax.

I know, it's so simple Conservatives won't get it.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

I have a plan that completely suits my needs. It has a health savings account attached so the money I save can grow tax deferred for future medical costs.

If I want to pay cash for my annual physical why the fuck do you care?

You do realize you get to keep the insurance you're on, right? The "minimum coverage" clause applies to insurers. THEY have to justify what they're charging you. So in the long-run you may get better bang for your buck.

Like these folks?

Health Insurance Companies To Pay Out More Than $1 Billion In Rebates To Customers: Reports

Yes! Exactly! The amount of spin that the Right has had to put on Obamacare is hilarious. My brother-in-law's a pediatrician and he was telling me how great the minimum care standard is for all consumers before the bill passed.

This thread is proof that old people need to watch less Fox News and READ more.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Okay, now that they passed Obamacare, and taxes on you will skyrocket what are you goingi to do? Are you going to vote Obama back in or vote him out???????

I damn sure am voting him out.

Any fool who votes for him again is a admitted socialist idiot and needs to leave my country. IDIOTS!!!!

 

[AmericanFirst]

No, taxes are not going to skyrocket, and you represent just one vote. And I will vote for President Obama.

Then you are a fool.