What do liberals want the US to be?

[HereWeGoAgain]

affirmative action punished people because of their race, sex, or who their parents were. How is that "fair"?

You do realize that most of the hated "wealthy class" are democrats and liberals don't you?

Liberal hypocrisy is rampant in hollywood, the media, and corporate america.

The difference is that wealthy liberals are willing to pass laws that force them to pay more
Wealthy conservatives pass laws that take away programs for the poor

thats simply not true. half of american pay no federal income tax. the top 5% pay 60% of the tax bill.

They are paying the same percentage they have paid in taxes....the reason they are paying more of the total income tax bill is because they are the only ones profiting from the economy.... the reason the middle class and poorest are paying less is due to the middle and lower class not profiting from the economy.....just as when corporations pay little to nothing in taxes when they are not profitable.... to tell the middle/lower class that more of the tax burden is to be put on their shoulders because they are NOT PROFITING, is utterly shameful.

do you understand that we have a progressive income tax? the rich pay a higher percentage than the middle and lower income people.

the US has the highest corporate income tax rate in the world.

do you know anything?

the federal income tax is progressive, but State income taxes and social security taxes and medicare taxes and cigarette taxes and gasoline taxes and liquor taxes and property taxes and sales taxes are not progressive...

The entire tax structure to run this Nation has to be taken in to consideration, you can't just single out one aspect of it and claim 'foul'....

I spend about $500 bucks when I go to Specs liquor.
The wino buys thunderbird at $2 bucks a bottle,I'd call that pretty progressive.

 

[peach174]

States have historically left 'people' out in the cold. The federal government has stepped in because of the neglect of states

They forget it was the GOP's great depression that was a reason the US started most of the safety net programs!

It was not the GOP who caused that market crash.
It was the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank (progressives) who gave out credit so people could invest in the stock market.

After the crash Hoover announced that while he would keep the Federal budget balanced, he would cut taxes and expand public works spending.

In 1931 repercussions from Europe deepened the crisis, even though the President presented to Congress a program asking for creation of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to aid business, additional help for farmers facing mortgage foreclosures, banking reform, a loan to states for feeding the unemployed, expansion of public works, and drastic governmental economy.

At the same time he reiterated his view that while people must not suffer from hunger and cold, caring for them must be primarily a local and voluntary responsibility.

His opponents in Congress, who he felt were sabotaging his program for their own political gain, unfairly painted him as a callous and cruel President. Hoover became the scapegoat for the Depression and was badly defeated in 1932.

cut taxes and expand public works spending?

Even when "local and voluntary" responsibilities cannot meet the demand? How cold and dehumanizing.

Poor Hoover, misunderstood. Boo hoo hoo

He was a good man. He entered politics. Stop whining for him

Whining?
Well that's proof that you don't read American History.

Rakove: Original Meanings -- try it. also Madison's Writings/Letters

please stop posting as if you know history from other than Readers Digest and Glenn Beck

I have read Madison's writings and letters, plus Washington's, Adams and Jefferson's, also the Federalist papers.
Rakove - well that explains a lot.

 

[skye]

Liberals today? ...I have no idea...

but long, long ago it was this....

 

[Dad2three]

They forget it was the GOP's great depression that was a reason the US started most of the safety net programs!

It was not the GOP who caused that market crash.
It was the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank (progressives) who gave out credit so people could invest in the stock market.

After the crash Hoover announced that while he would keep the Federal budget balanced, he would cut taxes and expand public works spending.

In 1931 repercussions from Europe deepened the crisis, even though the President presented to Congress a program asking for creation of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to aid business, additional help for farmers facing mortgage foreclosures, banking reform, a loan to states for feeding the unemployed, expansion of public works, and drastic governmental economy.

At the same time he reiterated his view that while people must not suffer from hunger and cold, caring for them must be primarily a local and voluntary responsibility.

His opponents in Congress, who he felt were sabotaging his program for their own political gain, unfairly painted him as a callous and cruel President. Hoover became the scapegoat for the Depression and was badly defeated in 1932.

cut taxes and expand public works spending?

Even when "local and voluntary" responsibilities cannot meet the demand? How cold and dehumanizing.

Poor Hoover, misunderstood. Boo hoo hoo

He was a good man. He entered politics. Stop whining for him

Whining?
Well that's proof that you don't read American History.

Rakove: Original Meanings -- try it. also Madison's Writings/Letters

please stop posting as if you know history from other than Readers Digest and Glenn Beck

I have read Madison's writings and letters, plus Washington's, Adams and Jefferson's, also the Federalist papers.
Rakove - well that explains a lot.

And you are still woefully uniformed? Shocking

 

[Dad2three]

Liberals today? ...I have no idea...

but long, long ago it was this....

lol
Seriously?

 

[peach174]

States have historically left 'people' out in the cold. The federal government has stepped in because of the neglect of states

They forget it was the GOP's great depression that was a reason the US started most of the safety net programs!

It was not the GOP who caused that market crash.
It was the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank (progressives) who gave out credit so people could invest in the stock market.

After the crash Hoover announced that while he would keep the Federal budget balanced, he would cut taxes and expand public works spending.

In 1931 repercussions from Europe deepened the crisis, even though the President presented to Congress a program asking for creation of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to aid business, additional help for farmers facing mortgage foreclosures, banking reform, a loan to states for feeding the unemployed, expansion of public works, and drastic governmental economy.

At the same time he reiterated his view that while people must not suffer from hunger and cold, caring for them must be primarily a local and voluntary responsibility.

His opponents in Congress, who he felt were sabotaging his program for their own political gain, unfairly painted him as a callous and cruel President. Hoover became the scapegoat for the Depression and was badly defeated in 1932.

cut taxes and expand public works spending?

Even when "local and voluntary" responsibilities cannot meet the demand? How cold and dehumanizing.

Poor Hoover, misunderstood. Boo hoo hoo

He was a good man. He entered politics. Stop whining for him

Whining?
Well that's proof that you don't read American History.

You mean right wingers rewriting history???

Correcting the history that the left wingers rewrote.

 

[Chris]

When scientists polled all the countries in the world, they found that year after year the happiest country on earth is Denmark.

But the happiest people in the world pay some of the highest taxes in the world -- between 50 percent and 70 percent of their incomes. In exchange, the government covers all health care and education, and spends more per capita on children and the elderly than any country in the world. The system is efficient, and people feel "tryghed" -- the Danish word for "tucked in" -- like a snug child.

Denmark The Happiest Place on Earth - ABC News

 

[Dad2three]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

everyone wants to help those who need help. Where in the USA today is the playing field not level? Do you want more affrimative action that penalizes the majorities?

I asked for specifics, you provided generalizations. What exactly do you want?

OK...let's look at where the playing field is not level
We have a wealthy class who get a disproportional say in how legislation is crafted and who it helps. Specific legislation includes tax structure, deductions, labor laws
Affirmative action was an immensely successful liberal program that helped all people. Yes, it did level the playing field

affirmative action punished people because of their race, sex, or who their parents were. How is that "fair"?

You do realize that most of the hated "wealthy class" are democrats and liberals don't you?

Liberal hypocrisy is rampant in hollywood, the media, and corporate america.

"You do realize that most of the hated "wealthy class" are democrats and liberals don't you?"

Right wing MYTH. Shocking

"And the fact that people with higher incomes are more likely to vote Republican has been consistently true since 1972"

The party of the rich -- Democrats or Republicans MinnPost

 

[skye]

Bunch of reds.

That's what today's liberals are.

 

[Dad2three]

They forget it was the GOP's great depression that was a reason the US started most of the safety net programs!

It was not the GOP who caused that market crash.
It was the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank (progressives) who gave out credit so people could invest in the stock market.

After the crash Hoover announced that while he would keep the Federal budget balanced, he would cut taxes and expand public works spending.

In 1931 repercussions from Europe deepened the crisis, even though the President presented to Congress a program asking for creation of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to aid business, additional help for farmers facing mortgage foreclosures, banking reform, a loan to states for feeding the unemployed, expansion of public works, and drastic governmental economy.

At the same time he reiterated his view that while people must not suffer from hunger and cold, caring for them must be primarily a local and voluntary responsibility.

His opponents in Congress, who he felt were sabotaging his program for their own political gain, unfairly painted him as a callous and cruel President. Hoover became the scapegoat for the Depression and was badly defeated in 1932.

cut taxes and expand public works spending?

Even when "local and voluntary" responsibilities cannot meet the demand? How cold and dehumanizing.

Poor Hoover, misunderstood. Boo hoo hoo

He was a good man. He entered politics. Stop whining for him

Whining?
Well that's proof that you don't read American History.

You mean right wingers rewriting history???

Correcting the history that the left wingers rewrote.

Sure, you mean REAL history BEFORE right wing think tanks got involved!

 

[Dad2three]

Bunch of reds.

That's what today's liberals are.

Tea party moron right? Shocking how low informed you are. Reagan would be considered left to you wing nuts!

 

[Chris]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

Seriously?

Liberals want a country that provides a level playing field for all people regardless of race, sex, sexuality or social class
Liberals want to help those who need helping

everyone wants to help those who need help. Where in the USA today is the playing field not level? Do you want more affrimative action that penalizes the majorities?

I asked for specifics, you provided generalizations. What exactly do you want?

OK...let's look at where the playing field is not level
We have a wealthy class who get a disproportional say in how legislation is crafted and who it helps. Specific legislation includes tax structure, deductions, labor laws
Affirmative action was an immensely successful liberal program that helped all people. Yes, it did level the playing field

affirmative action punished people because of their race, sex, or who their parents were. How is that "fair"?

You do realize that most of the hated "wealthy class" are democrats and liberals don't you?

Liberal hypocrisy is rampant in hollywood, the media, and corporate america.

"You do realize that most of the hated "wealthy class" are democrats and liberals don't you?"

Right wing MYTH. Shocking

"And the fact that people with higher incomes are more likely to vote Republican has been consistently true since 1972"

The party of the rich -- Democrats or Republicans MinnPost

It was Republicans on the Supreme Court that voted to allow unlimited secret campaign contributions.
All the Democrats on the court voted against it.

 

[Chris]

Bunch of reds.

That's what today's liberals are.

Red baiting.

How 1950 of you.

 

[ricechickie]

Bunch of reds.

That's what today's liberals are.

I'm cut, cut to the quick.

Calling me a "red" is a surefire way to silence me, as I'm a middle class white person in the 1950s.

 

[ricechickie]

Bunch of reds.

That's what today's liberals are.

Red baiting.

How 1950 of you.

I feel like we had a mind-meld there.

 

[Chris]

Bunch of reds.

That's what today's liberals are.

Red baiting.

How 1950 of you.

I feel like we had a mind-meld there.

Nothing has changed.
"If Republicans will stop lying about the Democrats, the Democrats will stop telling the truth about the Republicans."
- Adlai Stevenson

 

[rightwinger]

Liberals today? ...I have no idea...

but long, long ago it was this....

Sounds like the Declaration of Independence

That came from liberals also

 

[BluesLegend]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

From a political perspective, I want America to be a nation wherein people like you are perpetually unhappy.

Ultimately we will destroy liberals, live with that.

Hasn't worked in over 200 years

Most libs are short sighted, you fools will fade into history.

 

[BluesLegend]

this is a serious question, please only reply with serious comments.

what specifically do liberals want the US to become?
Tell us exactly what you want changed, and why.

From a political perspective, I want America to be a nation wherein people like you are perpetually unhappy.

Ultimately we will destroy liberals, live with that.

Really? What liberal progress over the last 100 years will be reversed?

Be specific. List the reversals you predict, and explain in detail with facts and evidence how they will be reversed.

Don't be mad, the strong survive the weak don't its the natural order of things.

 

[Ravi]

Speaking only for myself, I'd like to see cons get logic training. I really can't believe cons are as stupid as they appear. It has to be upbringing.