What exactly do republicans have to offer blacks?

[IM2]

Post a racist comment I have said.

Let's see, whites my age and older are here every day saying racist crap and all you see is me rebutting them and you call that hate. You're a stupid fuck junior.

You insinuate that white people can only be successful because of "handouts". Though no one knows what these handouts are exactly, that only white people get. I've certainly never seen them.

That's like saying blacks can only be successful through quotas and affirmative action. I think most people would agree that the implications of that line of thought are pretty prejudiced. One might even call them racist.

Besides I do call out white racists on here all the damn time, so don't gimme that bull. You only see what you want to see.

Let me show you a few then. AA has benefitted whites the most. Because what I have said,most people would call FACT. People like this white guy.

Early Racial Preferences

We all know the old history, but it's still worth reminding ourselves of its scale and scope. Affirmative action in the American "workplace" first began in the late 17th century when European indentured servants - the original source of unfree labor on the new tobacco plantations of Virginia and Maryland - were replaced by African slaves. In exchange for their support and their policing of the growing slave population, lower-class Europeans won new rights, entitlements, and opportunities from the planter elite.

White Americans were also given a head start with the help of the U.S. Army. The 1830 Indian Removal Act, for example, forcibly relocated Cherokee, Creeks and other eastern Indians to west of the Mississippi River to make room for white settlers. The 1862 Homestead Act followed suit, giving away millions of acres of what had been Indian Territory west of the Mississippi. Ultimately, 270 million acres, or 10% of the total land area of the United States, was converted to private hands, overwhelmingly white, under Homestead Act provisions.

The 1790 Naturalization Act permitted only "free white persons" to become naturalized citizens, thus opening the doors to European immigrants but not others. Only citizens could vote, serve on juries, hold office, and in some cases, even hold property. In this century, Alien Land Laws passed in California and other states, reserved farm land for white growers by preventing Asian immigrants, ineligible to become citizens, from owning or leasing land. Immigration restrictions further limited opportunities for nonwhite groups. Racial barriers to naturalized U.S. citizenship weren't removed until the McCarran-Walter Act in 1952, and white racial preferences in immigration remained until 1965.

more.

The Advantages Grow, Generation to Generation

Less known are more recent government racial preferences, first enacted during the New Deal, that directed wealth to white families and continue to shape life opportunities and chances.

The landmark Social Security Act of 1935 provided a safety net for millions of workers, guaranteeing them an income after retirement. But the act specifically excluded two occupations: agricultural workers and domestic servants, who were predominately African American, Mexican, and Asian. As low-income workers, they also had the least opportunity to save for their retirement.

Like Social Security, the 1935 Wagner Act helped establish an important new right for white people. By granting unions the power of collective bargaining, it helped millions of white workers gain entry into the middle class over the next 30 years. But the Wagner Act permitted unions to exclude non-whites and deny them access to better paid jobs and union protections and benefits such as health care, job security, and pensions. Many craft unions remained nearly all-white well into the 1970s.

But it was another racialized New Deal program, the Federal Housing Administration, that helped generate much of the wealth that so many white families enjoy today. These revolutionary programs made it possible for millions of average white Americans - but not others - to own a home for the first time. The government set up a national neighborhood appraisal system, explicitly tying mortgage eligibility to race. Integrated communities were ipso facto deemed a financial risk and made ineligible for home loans, a policy known today as "redlining." Between 1934 and 1962, the federal government backed $120 billion of home loans. More than 98% went to whites.

RACE - The Power of an Illusion | White Advantage

So basically you're talking the past, and about rich white people. I know you ain't talking about white working class people, because they're not doing much better than black working class people these days. My parents raised us in a fucking trailer park, working hard labor to make ends meet until my dad could finish his education. Now he's solidly middle class. I don't see what's preventing black people from doing something similar, except that maybe they end up in shit schools more often. But whose fault is that? People refuse to take a closer look at what's happening in poverty-stricken communities or do anything about it.

Let me share a little secret with you; rich white people give no more of a fuck about poor and middle class whites than they care about poor and middle class blacks. They only care about themselves. and their families. There is no racist conspiracy.

I've lived 57 years. When you were born I was the age you are right now. I think I know plenty about whites..

But it was another racialized New Deal program, the Federal Housing Administration, that helped generate much of the wealth that so many white families enjoy today. These revolutionary programs made it possible for millions of average white Americans - but not others - to own a home for the first time. The government set up a national neighborhood appraisal system, explicitly tying mortgage eligibility to race. Integrated communities were ipso facto deemed a financial risk and made ineligible for home loans, a policy known today as "redlining." Between 1934 and 1962, the federal government backed $120 billion of home loans. More than 98% went to whites.

There are a lot of things you don't know young boy. You talk about rich whites and what they don't care about. But rich whites run for office at every level while poor and working class whites vote for them. Trump is a rich white man who ran on racial resentment and poor/working class whites in droves voted him into office. The median income for whites is far higher than it is for blacks and the black working class earns far less than the white working class. When you study the issue of race and income or as an economic matter you find this to be true. I 've sat in city halls and watched local policy enacted that stopped blacks from doing what your parents did. It's easy to post opinion but the facts are important in this debate.

So are you just here to complain then? You are complaining about inherited wealth from unfair government programs of the past that no longer exist. Okay, but the path to the middle class is still there. My family was poor as shit when I was young. I lived on ramen, macaroni, and other cheap crap because that's all we could afford. Yet we made it out with no government assistance. So while blacks may have a tougher road due to mistakes of the past, that road is there. I haven't heard a single viable suggestion that comes across as fair. Social welfare will keep a man from drowning but won't teach him how to swim. Education is the key It always has been.

In fact, even though I have an MA, I'm going back to school at some point to pick up an MBA. Who knows? Maybe I'll get a third Masters or a JD. And my parents would've been considered white trailer trash back in the day.

Look child, I have a MA. Blacks have a tough road because whites are doing the same things they did in the past. Your argument about the past is only made by the racist white subculture in the United States. Don't need the white boy lecture about what roads are available for blacks.The fact is that our road should not be any tougher than yours. I have worked and studied this longer than your ass has been alive. There are plenty of fair solutions if fairness is what is really wanted. For when you talk about not seeing solutions that are fair you are only talking about what you think isn't fair for white males. Because the current system is not fair for anyone else so despite the weak excuse white men are making about how they were not there and didn't do it, we can say that we should not be made to continue to suffer for things we were not their for either.

You seem fine with taking black and other tax money from non whites to develop and grow everything in the white community. But if we ask for the same we have to be asking for handouts.

 

[John Shaw]

You insinuate that white people can only be successful because of "handouts". Though no one knows what these handouts are exactly, that only white people get. I've certainly never seen them.

That's like saying blacks can only be successful through quotas and affirmative action. I think most people would agree that the implications of that line of thought are pretty prejudiced. One might even call them racist.

Besides I do call out white racists on here all the damn time, so don't gimme that bull. You only see what you want to see.

Let me show you a few then. AA has benefitted whites the most. Because what I have said,most people would call FACT. People like this white guy.

Early Racial Preferences

We all know the old history, but it's still worth reminding ourselves of its scale and scope. Affirmative action in the American "workplace" first began in the late 17th century when European indentured servants - the original source of unfree labor on the new tobacco plantations of Virginia and Maryland - were replaced by African slaves. In exchange for their support and their policing of the growing slave population, lower-class Europeans won new rights, entitlements, and opportunities from the planter elite.

White Americans were also given a head start with the help of the U.S. Army. The 1830 Indian Removal Act, for example, forcibly relocated Cherokee, Creeks and other eastern Indians to west of the Mississippi River to make room for white settlers. The 1862 Homestead Act followed suit, giving away millions of acres of what had been Indian Territory west of the Mississippi. Ultimately, 270 million acres, or 10% of the total land area of the United States, was converted to private hands, overwhelmingly white, under Homestead Act provisions.

The 1790 Naturalization Act permitted only "free white persons" to become naturalized citizens, thus opening the doors to European immigrants but not others. Only citizens could vote, serve on juries, hold office, and in some cases, even hold property. In this century, Alien Land Laws passed in California and other states, reserved farm land for white growers by preventing Asian immigrants, ineligible to become citizens, from owning or leasing land. Immigration restrictions further limited opportunities for nonwhite groups. Racial barriers to naturalized U.S. citizenship weren't removed until the McCarran-Walter Act in 1952, and white racial preferences in immigration remained until 1965.

more.

The Advantages Grow, Generation to Generation

Less known are more recent government racial preferences, first enacted during the New Deal, that directed wealth to white families and continue to shape life opportunities and chances.

The landmark Social Security Act of 1935 provided a safety net for millions of workers, guaranteeing them an income after retirement. But the act specifically excluded two occupations: agricultural workers and domestic servants, who were predominately African American, Mexican, and Asian. As low-income workers, they also had the least opportunity to save for their retirement.

Like Social Security, the 1935 Wagner Act helped establish an important new right for white people. By granting unions the power of collective bargaining, it helped millions of white workers gain entry into the middle class over the next 30 years. But the Wagner Act permitted unions to exclude non-whites and deny them access to better paid jobs and union protections and benefits such as health care, job security, and pensions. Many craft unions remained nearly all-white well into the 1970s.

But it was another racialized New Deal program, the Federal Housing Administration, that helped generate much of the wealth that so many white families enjoy today. These revolutionary programs made it possible for millions of average white Americans - but not others - to own a home for the first time. The government set up a national neighborhood appraisal system, explicitly tying mortgage eligibility to race. Integrated communities were ipso facto deemed a financial risk and made ineligible for home loans, a policy known today as "redlining." Between 1934 and 1962, the federal government backed $120 billion of home loans. More than 98% went to whites.

RACE - The Power of an Illusion | White Advantage

So basically you're talking the past, and about rich white people. I know you ain't talking about white working class people, because they're not doing much better than black working class people these days. My parents raised us in a fucking trailer park, working hard labor to make ends meet until my dad could finish his education. Now he's solidly middle class. I don't see what's preventing black people from doing something similar, except that maybe they end up in shit schools more often. But whose fault is that? People refuse to take a closer look at what's happening in poverty-stricken communities or do anything about it.

Let me share a little secret with you; rich white people give no more of a fuck about poor and middle class whites than they care about poor and middle class blacks. They only care about themselves. and their families. There is no racist conspiracy.

I've lived 57 years. When you were born I was the age you are right now. I think I know plenty about whites..

But it was another racialized New Deal program, the Federal Housing Administration, that helped generate much of the wealth that so many white families enjoy today. These revolutionary programs made it possible for millions of average white Americans - but not others - to own a home for the first time. The government set up a national neighborhood appraisal system, explicitly tying mortgage eligibility to race. Integrated communities were ipso facto deemed a financial risk and made ineligible for home loans, a policy known today as "redlining." Between 1934 and 1962, the federal government backed $120 billion of home loans. More than 98% went to whites.

There are a lot of things you don't know young boy. You talk about rich whites and what they don't care about. But rich whites run for office at every level while poor and working class whites vote for them. Trump is a rich white man who ran on racial resentment and poor/working class whites in droves voted him into office. The median income for whites is far higher than it is for blacks and the black working class earns far less than the white working class. When you study the issue of race and income or as an economic matter you find this to be true. I 've sat in city halls and watched local policy enacted that stopped blacks from doing what your parents did. It's easy to post opinion but the facts are important in this debate.

So are you just here to complain then? You are complaining about inherited wealth from unfair government programs of the past that no longer exist. Okay, but the path to the middle class is still there. My family was poor as shit when I was young. I lived on ramen, macaroni, and other cheap crap because that's all we could afford. Yet we made it out with no government assistance. So while blacks may have a tougher road due to mistakes of the past, that road is there. I haven't heard a single viable suggestion that comes across as fair. Social welfare will keep a man from drowning but won't teach him how to swim. Education is the key It always has been.

In fact, even though I have an MA, I'm going back to school at some point to pick up an MBA. Who knows? Maybe I'll get a third Masters or a JD. And my parents would've been considered white trailer trash back in the day.

Look child, I have a MA. Blacks have a tough road because whites are doing the same things they did in the past. Your argument about the past is only made by the racist white subculture in the United States. Don't need the white boy lecture about what roads are available for blacks.The fact is that our road should not be any tougher than yours. I have worked and studied this longer than your ass has been alive. There are plenty of fair solutions if fairness is what is really wanted. For when you talk about not seeing solutions that are fair you are only talking about what you think isn't fair for white males. Because the current system is not fair for anyone else so despite the weak excuse white men are making about how they were not there and didn't do it, we can say that we should not be made to continue to suffer for things we were not their for either.

You seem fine with taking black and other tax money from non whites to develop and grow everything in the white community. But if we ask for the same we have to be asking for handouts.

A solution has to be fair for everyone, white males included. Otherwise, it's not a fair solution, now is it?

 

[IM2]

Let me show you a few then. AA has benefitted whites the most. Because what I have said,most people would call FACT. People like this white guy.

Early Racial Preferences

We all know the old history, but it's still worth reminding ourselves of its scale and scope. Affirmative action in the American "workplace" first began in the late 17th century when European indentured servants - the original source of unfree labor on the new tobacco plantations of Virginia and Maryland - were replaced by African slaves. In exchange for their support and their policing of the growing slave population, lower-class Europeans won new rights, entitlements, and opportunities from the planter elite.

White Americans were also given a head start with the help of the U.S. Army. The 1830 Indian Removal Act, for example, forcibly relocated Cherokee, Creeks and other eastern Indians to west of the Mississippi River to make room for white settlers. The 1862 Homestead Act followed suit, giving away millions of acres of what had been Indian Territory west of the Mississippi. Ultimately, 270 million acres, or 10% of the total land area of the United States, was converted to private hands, overwhelmingly white, under Homestead Act provisions.

The 1790 Naturalization Act permitted only "free white persons" to become naturalized citizens, thus opening the doors to European immigrants but not others. Only citizens could vote, serve on juries, hold office, and in some cases, even hold property. In this century, Alien Land Laws passed in California and other states, reserved farm land for white growers by preventing Asian immigrants, ineligible to become citizens, from owning or leasing land. Immigration restrictions further limited opportunities for nonwhite groups. Racial barriers to naturalized U.S. citizenship weren't removed until the McCarran-Walter Act in 1952, and white racial preferences in immigration remained until 1965.

more.

The Advantages Grow, Generation to Generation

Less known are more recent government racial preferences, first enacted during the New Deal, that directed wealth to white families and continue to shape life opportunities and chances.

The landmark Social Security Act of 1935 provided a safety net for millions of workers, guaranteeing them an income after retirement. But the act specifically excluded two occupations: agricultural workers and domestic servants, who were predominately African American, Mexican, and Asian. As low-income workers, they also had the least opportunity to save for their retirement.

Like Social Security, the 1935 Wagner Act helped establish an important new right for white people. By granting unions the power of collective bargaining, it helped millions of white workers gain entry into the middle class over the next 30 years. But the Wagner Act permitted unions to exclude non-whites and deny them access to better paid jobs and union protections and benefits such as health care, job security, and pensions. Many craft unions remained nearly all-white well into the 1970s.

But it was another racialized New Deal program, the Federal Housing Administration, that helped generate much of the wealth that so many white families enjoy today. These revolutionary programs made it possible for millions of average white Americans - but not others - to own a home for the first time. The government set up a national neighborhood appraisal system, explicitly tying mortgage eligibility to race. Integrated communities were ipso facto deemed a financial risk and made ineligible for home loans, a policy known today as "redlining." Between 1934 and 1962, the federal government backed $120 billion of home loans. More than 98% went to whites.

RACE - The Power of an Illusion | White Advantage

So basically you're talking the past, and about rich white people. I know you ain't talking about white working class people, because they're not doing much better than black working class people these days. My parents raised us in a fucking trailer park, working hard labor to make ends meet until my dad could finish his education. Now he's solidly middle class. I don't see what's preventing black people from doing something similar, except that maybe they end up in shit schools more often. But whose fault is that? People refuse to take a closer look at what's happening in poverty-stricken communities or do anything about it.

Let me share a little secret with you; rich white people give no more of a fuck about poor and middle class whites than they care about poor and middle class blacks. They only care about themselves. and their families. There is no racist conspiracy.

I've lived 57 years. When you were born I was the age you are right now. I think I know plenty about whites..

But it was another racialized New Deal program, the Federal Housing Administration, that helped generate much of the wealth that so many white families enjoy today. These revolutionary programs made it possible for millions of average white Americans - but not others - to own a home for the first time. The government set up a national neighborhood appraisal system, explicitly tying mortgage eligibility to race. Integrated communities were ipso facto deemed a financial risk and made ineligible for home loans, a policy known today as "redlining." Between 1934 and 1962, the federal government backed $120 billion of home loans. More than 98% went to whites.

There are a lot of things you don't know young boy. You talk about rich whites and what they don't care about. But rich whites run for office at every level while poor and working class whites vote for them. Trump is a rich white man who ran on racial resentment and poor/working class whites in droves voted him into office. The median income for whites is far higher than it is for blacks and the black working class earns far less than the white working class. When you study the issue of race and income or as an economic matter you find this to be true. I 've sat in city halls and watched local policy enacted that stopped blacks from doing what your parents did. It's easy to post opinion but the facts are important in this debate.

So are you just here to complain then? You are complaining about inherited wealth from unfair government programs of the past that no longer exist. Okay, but the path to the middle class is still there. My family was poor as shit when I was young. I lived on ramen, macaroni, and other cheap crap because that's all we could afford. Yet we made it out with no government assistance. So while blacks may have a tougher road due to mistakes of the past, that road is there. I haven't heard a single viable suggestion that comes across as fair. Social welfare will keep a man from drowning but won't teach him how to swim. Education is the key It always has been.

In fact, even though I have an MA, I'm going back to school at some point to pick up an MBA. Who knows? Maybe I'll get a third Masters or a JD. And my parents would've been considered white trailer trash back in the day.

Look child, I have a MA. Blacks have a tough road because whites are doing the same things they did in the past. Your argument about the past is only made by the racist white subculture in the United States. Don't need the white boy lecture about what roads are available for blacks.The fact is that our road should not be any tougher than yours. I have worked and studied this longer than your ass has been alive. There are plenty of fair solutions if fairness is what is really wanted. For when you talk about not seeing solutions that are fair you are only talking about what you think isn't fair for white males. Because the current system is not fair for anyone else so despite the weak excuse white men are making about how they were not there and didn't do it, we can say that we should not be made to continue to suffer for things we were not their for either.

You seem fine with taking black and other tax money from non whites to develop and grow everything in the white community. But if we ask for the same we have to be asking for handouts.

A solution has to be fair for everyone, white males included. Otherwise, it's not a fair solution, now is it?

Racist white males seem to think fair is when they get to keep the advantage they have gained by their unfair treatment of others.

 

[Markle]

What race is the person that made this test? Why is it so important to you that I take this test? When white people ask Black people to take tests its usually so white people can get some relief from their overwhelming insecurity complex or to deprive the Black people of some right.

If you'll go to the site you will see that no one person developed the test. The test was developed at Harvard. Certainly, you can't find a more left-wing school. It started with only race probably 30 years ago and has been expanded ever since.

Most likely you have taken the test and are horrified that you were deemed to basically be a racist. You're not unlike the homophobe who is, in reality, a homosexual living in denial.

 

[Markle]

There are no black supremacists here and I don't spread propagada. The only one here wanting to circle jerk with supremacists is you.

Just imagine how much further ahead would be the black race had you (blacks) not chosen to follow the race baiters preaching that they are incapable of being successful without handouts from whites?

As for no black supremacists.

 

[Markle]

So basically you're talking the past, and about rich white people. I know you ain't talking about white working class people, because they're not doing much better than black working class people these days. My parents raised us in a fucking trailer park, working hard labor to make ends meet until my dad could finish his education. Now he's solidly middle class. I don't see what's preventing black people from doing something similar, except that maybe they end up in shit schools more often. But whose fault is that? People refuse to take a closer look at what's happening in poverty-stricken communities or do anything about it.

Let me share a little secret with you; rich white people give no more of a fuck about poor and middle class whites than they care about poor and middle class blacks. They only care about themselves. and their families. There is no racist conspiracy.

I've lived 57 years. When you were born I was the age you are right now. I think I know plenty about whites..

But it was another racialized New Deal program, the Federal Housing Administration, that helped generate much of the wealth that so many white families enjoy today. These revolutionary programs made it possible for millions of average white Americans - but not others - to own a home for the first time. The government set up a national neighborhood appraisal system, explicitly tying mortgage eligibility to race. Integrated communities were ipso facto deemed a financial risk and made ineligible for home loans, a policy known today as "redlining." Between 1934 and 1962, the federal government backed $120 billion of home loans. More than 98% went to whites.

There are a lot of things you don't know young boy. You talk about rich whites and what they don't care about. But rich whites run for office at every level while poor and working class whites vote for them. Trump is a rich white man who ran on racial resentment and poor/working class whites in droves voted him into office. The median income for whites is far higher than it is for blacks and the black working class earns far less than the white working class. When you study the issue of race and income or as an economic matter you find this to be true. I 've sat in city halls and watched local policy enacted that stopped blacks from doing what your parents did. It's easy to post opinion but the facts are important in this debate.

So are you just here to complain then? You are complaining about inherited wealth from unfair government programs of the past that no longer exist. Okay, but the path to the middle class is still there. My family was poor as shit when I was young. I lived on ramen, macaroni, and other cheap crap because that's all we could afford. Yet we made it out with no government assistance. So while blacks may have a tougher road due to mistakes of the past, that road is there. I haven't heard a single viable suggestion that comes across as fair. Social welfare will keep a man from drowning but won't teach him how to swim. Education is the key It always has been.

In fact, even though I have an MA, I'm going back to school at some point to pick up an MBA. Who knows? Maybe I'll get a third Masters or a JD. And my parents would've been considered white trailer trash back in the day.

Look child, I have a MA. Blacks have a tough road because whites are doing the same things they did in the past. Your argument about the past is only made by the racist white subculture in the United States. Don't need the white boy lecture about what roads are available for blacks.The fact is that our road should not be any tougher than yours. I have worked and studied this longer than your ass has been alive. There are plenty of fair solutions if fairness is what is really wanted. For when you talk about not seeing solutions that are fair you are only talking about what you think isn't fair for white males. Because the current system is not fair for anyone else so despite the weak excuse white men are making about how they were not there and didn't do it, we can say that we should not be made to continue to suffer for things we were not their for either.

You seem fine with taking black and other tax money from non whites to develop and grow everything in the white community. But if we ask for the same we have to be asking for handouts.

A solution has to be fair for everyone, white males included. Otherwise, it's not a fair solution, now is it?

Racist white males seem to think fair is when they get to keep the advantage they have gained by their unfair treatment of others.

How is this racist? Arithmetic?

Race gaps in SAT scores highlight inequality and hinder upward mobility

 

[Asclepias]

What race is the person that made this test? Why is it so important to you that I take this test? When white people ask Black people to take tests its usually so white people can get some relief from their overwhelming insecurity complex or to deprive the Black people of some right.

If you'll go to the site you will see that no one person developed the test. The test was developed at Harvard. Certainly, you can't find a more left-wing school. It started with only race probably 30 years ago and has been expanded ever since.

Most likely you have taken the test and are horrified that you were deemed to basically be a racist. You're not unlike the homophobe who is, in reality, a homosexual living in denial.

You still havent answered as to why you want me to take the test so badly?

 

[Asclepias]

I'm beginning to think that the reality whites subscribe to forces them to try and equate things that simply are not the same. They have trouble with simple concepts like history and facts.

Racism = racism. What's not the same here?

Racism ≠ reaction to racism. Your equation is incorrect. Thats what is not the same.

If one's reaction to racism is to be racist (such as calling whites the weaker race or spitting on a white guy) then yes, it is the same.

Nope its not the same. Its called understanding that the best defense is a potent and tremendous offense. I for one will not sit back and just block your racism. I am going to go on the offensive by spitting on you or telling you about how weak you are to place obstacles in the path of the people you claim are inferior. If you had your shit together you wouldnt have a problem with me. The problem you have with me is one of your own creation and endeavors to keep it going. The difference is so apparent that its laughable you think they are the same.

Um, okay.

I can tell when you guys get rattled. IM2 misspells more words and the profanity goes up a notch. Your style when you get flustered or have no cogent response is to spout stupid shit like this that you think will piss me off. The more you get backed into the corner, the more outrageous and inciteful your remarks.

I can tell when you get rattled. You look for make believe inconsistencies and when that doesnt work you find one curse word in the a paragraph and claim someone is rattled because they used one curse word in a paragraph.

I dont give two fucks if youre pissed off or not. However, I can see you getting angry that I am not buying your white make believe fantasies and this really seems to enrage you. Let me help you not waste your time. You can post until you are a mottled blue in the face. You can post about me using a curse word. You can deny that you belong to a weak race that created a system to hold back the very people you claim to be superior to. You can do all these things and it wont matter to me because like I told you before. You are simply a tool that I use to broadcast that tremendous offensive style I spoke of to other Blacks so they can see your reaction and know with unyielding conviction just how deeply it injures your psyche.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Racism = racism. What's not the same here?

Racism ≠ reaction to racism. Your equation is incorrect. Thats what is not the same.

If one's reaction to racism is to be racist (such as calling whites the weaker race or spitting on a white guy) then yes, it is the same.

Nope its not the same. Its called understanding that the best defense is a potent and tremendous offense. I for one will not sit back and just block your racism. I am going to go on the offensive by spitting on you or telling you about how weak you are to place obstacles in the path of the people you claim are inferior. If you had your shit together you wouldnt have a problem with me. The problem you have with me is one of your own creation and endeavors to keep it going. The difference is so apparent that its laughable you think they are the same.

Um, okay.

I can tell when you guys get rattled. IM2 misspells more words and the profanity goes up a notch. Your style when you get flustered or have no cogent response is to spout stupid shit like this that you think will piss me off. The more you get backed into the corner, the more outrageous and inciteful your remarks.

I can tell when you get rattled. You look for make believe inconsistencies and when that doesnt work you find one curse word in the a paragraph and claim someone is rattled because they used one curse word in a paragraph.

When he's pissed or rattled it's more than one curse word. That's how I know when he's rattled. Duh.

I dont give two fucks if youre pissed off or not. However, I can see you getting angry that I am not buying your white make believe fantasies and this really seems to enrage you. Let me help you not waste your time. You can post until you are a mottled blue in the face. You can post about me using a curse word.

I didn't say you were the one to curse when you get rattled.

You can deny that you belong to a weak race that created a system to hold back the very people you claim to be superior to.

I never claimed any such thing. Unlike you, I don't see either race as being superior to the other. Superior race is your thing, not mine.

You can do all these things and it wont matter to me because like I told you before. You are simply a tool that I use to broadcast that tremendous offensive style I spoke of to other Blacks so they can see your reaction and know with unyielding conviction just how deeply it injures your psyche.

Stupidity and willful ignorance do not injure my psyche, whatever the hell that means. And did it occur to you that this "offensive style", as you put it, is being broadcast to everybody, including whites? Probably not. You can't think past the racist whitey at the end of your nose.

I am truly grateful that there are relatively few blacks like you out there. You're the kind of black person for whom I don't give two shits whether you experience racism or not. You're not looking to end racism, you're looking to vilify and demonize whitey and make him pay. That's it. You have a need to hate and you stoke it in any way you can.

 

[Markle]

You still havent answered as to why you want me to take the test so badly?

I don't give a rat's behind. You proved everything I believe about you. Thank you, thank you so much!

 

[IM2]

What IM2 invariably does in these discussions is to, when all else fails, point out that whites practiced racism more often and for a longer period of time. In his contorted view, a black guy who spits on a white guy (this happened to me years ago) because the guy is white is not racism, but it is racism when a white person spits on a black person because more whites have spit on blacks for a longer period of time

This is like saying that if I kill three people over the course of three days, it's not morally wrong because another guy killed a hundred people over a hundred days. There's no moral reasoning to this argument whatsoever. It's nothing more than morality by numbers. It is the most moronic thing I've ever encountered on a discussion forum

None of this is true. But you are just too stupid to understand that blacks and whites do not share the same lived experience. And that what you call racism in blacks is a response the racism we get from whites. Id think ta being black I can say that as an expert. And you can't..

Look at what you're doing here. You're still excusing or justifying racist or inappropriate behavior by blacks by citing more racism by whites. It's a victimhood contest for you and always has been.

If a black person experiences racism by whites then anger and frustration are justifiable reactions. Spitting on a white person who may or may not be guilty of racism or harassment is not a justifiable reaction. After all this time, you still don't understand this?

When whites spit on blacks it was done after a bunch of racial slurs.

What if it was not done after a bunch of racial slurs? What if it was something else or even nothing at all? Again you try to constrain or define the parameters of the white position by unilaterally citing a "bunch of racial slurs", as if this is the only reason a black person might spit on a white person. It never even occurred to you that the black guy who spit on me just may have been wrong about my intentions. And even when I pointed this out, you dismissed it or ignored it.

Your story doesn't contain that. And that is why I was asking for evidence.

My story also didn't contain any indication that I was lying or even that I did in fact harass him because he was black. But that didn't stop you from accusing me of both. And this was before you even knew me and before you asked for any details.

Your first impulse should have been to ask me for details before passing judgment. Instead, your first impulse - your reaction to white racism - was to assume I lied or that I did harass him. The questions didn't come until after the accusations. And even after I answered all your questions and there was still no indication that I harassed him and every indication he was wrong, you still didn't believe it and moved on to the next thing which was documented evidence that he was guilty of past racism. This was after you accused me of racism and lying or harassment without documented evidence of racism on my part.

From the very beginning, as the story unfolded and the details were sussed out, you looked for something, anything, to make me wrong or the bad guy. First it was me lying. When you realized the story may have been true, it became me being the racist and harassing him. After getting some details, it became him being angry about white racism. After getting more details, you wanted documented evidence. When I pointed out that I didn't have any documented incidents of racism, you simply backed off and said no more about it.

Your story has a complication in the form of a workplace incident involving the black worker. So he could have been angry about that.

Unless you're saying he was justified in spitting on me regardless of my actual intentions then this is irrelevant. Whatever problems he had with white people were not my problems and I am not obligated to take that into consideration where the job is concerned. I had a job to do and so did he. I am not going to spend my life tiptoeing around blacks for fear of inadvertently pissing them off.

Rider, we are about the same age. I have worked jobs like the one you described and have been the only black on a job or worked with one other black. In this situation whites such as you tend to push the racist envelope.

What do you mean "Whites such as you"? You have no fucking clue as to whether or not I ever pushed the "racist envelope" in my job or was inappropriate in any way with my black coworkers.

I worked at a moving company and heard kunta kente and other racist jokes daily. Much less other racist comments. But of course you worked at the most racially tolerant place in American history and the only racists were the 2 blacks who worked there.

And right there is a part of your problem. Your sarcasm and exaggerations above are in no way a reflection of what I told you or conveyed to you. In addition, the last sentence is incorrect in two parts, which shows once again that you don't even bother to remember what I said.

1. ) All I said was that our company had always hired blacks and I've worked with blacks all through my entire 34 years with the company. So there were many more than two blacks working there. I also said that blacks have been in this industry ever since I got into this line of work.
2.) I already told you that the other black guy never said anything about it and I never said he was racist.

Do you see now why I won't let this go? You don't even have the integrity to remember what I tell you about it. Every one of your arguments and comments on this in the last six months are based on the two erroneous assumptions you made at the very start: I lied or I harassed him.
I've given you the complete story and nothing I told you indicates I lied or harassed him but you keep going back to that anyway because it's the only way you can make me wrong.

So what I'm saying is, can the bullshit. Because that's what it is. Your whining lacks moral reasoning and is truly the definition of what imbecilic and moronic is.

You and Asclepias trade snarky comments about my intellect and you can't even stick to one definition of racism.

The facts and documentation on the American record shows that your argument is silly and without merit. That's just how it is. Whites continue to be racists and there is nothing blacks have done that even close.. But as you are not obligated to stop racism in e white communiy we are under no obligation to listen to you talk about your perception of racism or your clams of black racism. So I'm done doing it.

So wait, why are you here?

You say you don't care about other peoples' opinions ... you're not going to listen to anyone (not even disagree, but just disregard them completely) ... does that mean you're just here to try to ... what, spread propaganda? Circle jerk with the black supremacists? What's the point? I don't get it.

There are no black supremacists here and I don't spread propagada. The only one here wanting to circle jerk with supremacists is you.

No, except for Asceplias (however you spell the idiot's name), who has referred to himself as a black supremacist, or Paul Essien, who thinks white women deserve to be raped and advocates for genocide. Other than those, there are probably only a few others.

I'm still not sure whether you qualify. It's clear that you judge people primarily based on their skin color, but that doesn't necessarily make you a racist. Just prejudiced.

Blacks here are all talking about a behavior junior and that behavior just happens to be primarily practiced by whites.

“Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans…These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance (the Negro makes) -- the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.”​

Martin Luther King Jr.
​

Educate yourself out of your racial ignorance and quit listening to white race pimps telling you that anti racist is anti white. Anti racist is anti racist. Because when you claim that anti racism is anti white, you are saying pro racism is pro white. This means you are admitting that whites are inherently racist.

 

[IM2]

I've lived 57 years. When you were born I was the age you are right now. I think I know plenty about whites..

But it was another racialized New Deal program, the Federal Housing Administration, that helped generate much of the wealth that so many white families enjoy today. These revolutionary programs made it possible for millions of average white Americans - but not others - to own a home for the first time. The government set up a national neighborhood appraisal system, explicitly tying mortgage eligibility to race. Integrated communities were ipso facto deemed a financial risk and made ineligible for home loans, a policy known today as "redlining." Between 1934 and 1962, the federal government backed $120 billion of home loans. More than 98% went to whites.

There are a lot of things you don't know young boy. You talk about rich whites and what they don't care about. But rich whites run for office at every level while poor and working class whites vote for them. Trump is a rich white man who ran on racial resentment and poor/working class whites in droves voted him into office. The median income for whites is far higher than it is for blacks and the black working class earns far less than the white working class. When you study the issue of race and income or as an economic matter you find this to be true. I 've sat in city halls and watched local policy enacted that stopped blacks from doing what your parents did. It's easy to post opinion but the facts are important in this debate.

So are you just here to complain then? You are complaining about inherited wealth from unfair government programs of the past that no longer exist. Okay, but the path to the middle class is still there. My family was poor as shit when I was young. I lived on ramen, macaroni, and other cheap crap because that's all we could afford. Yet we made it out with no government assistance. So while blacks may have a tougher road due to mistakes of the past, that road is there. I haven't heard a single viable suggestion that comes across as fair. Social welfare will keep a man from drowning but won't teach him how to swim. Education is the key It always has been.

In fact, even though I have an MA, I'm going back to school at some point to pick up an MBA. Who knows? Maybe I'll get a third Masters or a JD. And my parents would've been considered white trailer trash back in the day.

Look child, I have a MA. Blacks have a tough road because whites are doing the same things they did in the past. Your argument about the past is only made by the racist white subculture in the United States. Don't need the white boy lecture about what roads are available for blacks.The fact is that our road should not be any tougher than yours. I have worked and studied this longer than your ass has been alive. There are plenty of fair solutions if fairness is what is really wanted. For when you talk about not seeing solutions that are fair you are only talking about what you think isn't fair for white males. Because the current system is not fair for anyone else so despite the weak excuse white men are making about how they were not there and didn't do it, we can say that we should not be made to continue to suffer for things we were not their for either.

You seem fine with taking black and other tax money from non whites to develop and grow everything in the white community. But if we ask for the same we have to be asking for handouts.

A solution has to be fair for everyone, white males included. Otherwise, it's not a fair solution, now is it?

Racist white males seem to think fair is when they get to keep the advantage they have gained by their unfair treatment of others.

How is this racist? Arithmetic?

Race gaps in SAT scores highlight inequality and hinder upward mobility

And? SAT scores are not even considered in almost 1,000 colleges and universities now.

 

[deanrd]

What Republicans have to offer African Americans is different than what Republicans have to offer the poor and the middle class.

Chains and poverty. You figure out which is for which.

 

[IM2]

There are no black supremacists here and I don't spread propagada. The only one here wanting to circle jerk with supremacists is you.

Just imagine how much further ahead would be the black race had you (blacks) not chosen to follow the race baiters preaching that they are incapable of being successful without handouts from whites?

As for no black supremacists.

Here we see a fine example in this post of the white mans psychosis.

 

[Asclepias]

You still havent answered as to why you want me to take the test so badly?

I don't give a rat's behind. You proved everything I believe about you. Thank you, thank you so much!

Obviously you give more than a rats behind. Youre the one that came out of the blue with some test no one was talking about and hoping I took it.

 

[Asclepias]

I've lived 57 years. When you were born I was the age you are right now. I think I know plenty about whites..

But it was another racialized New Deal program, the Federal Housing Administration, that helped generate much of the wealth that so many white families enjoy today. These revolutionary programs made it possible for millions of average white Americans - but not others - to own a home for the first time. The government set up a national neighborhood appraisal system, explicitly tying mortgage eligibility to race. Integrated communities were ipso facto deemed a financial risk and made ineligible for home loans, a policy known today as "redlining." Between 1934 and 1962, the federal government backed $120 billion of home loans. More than 98% went to whites.

There are a lot of things you don't know young boy. You talk about rich whites and what they don't care about. But rich whites run for office at every level while poor and working class whites vote for them. Trump is a rich white man who ran on racial resentment and poor/working class whites in droves voted him into office. The median income for whites is far higher than it is for blacks and the black working class earns far less than the white working class. When you study the issue of race and income or as an economic matter you find this to be true. I 've sat in city halls and watched local policy enacted that stopped blacks from doing what your parents did. It's easy to post opinion but the facts are important in this debate.

So are you just here to complain then? You are complaining about inherited wealth from unfair government programs of the past that no longer exist. Okay, but the path to the middle class is still there. My family was poor as shit when I was young. I lived on ramen, macaroni, and other cheap crap because that's all we could afford. Yet we made it out with no government assistance. So while blacks may have a tougher road due to mistakes of the past, that road is there. I haven't heard a single viable suggestion that comes across as fair. Social welfare will keep a man from drowning but won't teach him how to swim. Education is the key It always has been.

In fact, even though I have an MA, I'm going back to school at some point to pick up an MBA. Who knows? Maybe I'll get a third Masters or a JD. And my parents would've been considered white trailer trash back in the day.

Look child, I have a MA. Blacks have a tough road because whites are doing the same things they did in the past. Your argument about the past is only made by the racist white subculture in the United States. Don't need the white boy lecture about what roads are available for blacks.The fact is that our road should not be any tougher than yours. I have worked and studied this longer than your ass has been alive. There are plenty of fair solutions if fairness is what is really wanted. For when you talk about not seeing solutions that are fair you are only talking about what you think isn't fair for white males. Because the current system is not fair for anyone else so despite the weak excuse white men are making about how they were not there and didn't do it, we can say that we should not be made to continue to suffer for things we were not their for either.

You seem fine with taking black and other tax money from non whites to develop and grow everything in the white community. But if we ask for the same we have to be asking for handouts.

A solution has to be fair for everyone, white males included. Otherwise, it's not a fair solution, now is it?

Racist white males seem to think fair is when they get to keep the advantage they have gained by their unfair treatment of others.

How is this racist? Arithmetic?

Race gaps in SAT scores highlight inequality and hinder upward mobility

It amuses me when white people make up tests for the very same people that taught them math. White people always forget that the only numbering system they were capable of coming up with was roman numerals which only works for tallying and looking cool on superbowl advertisements. Silly white boy. You arent smart enough to come up with a test that can measure the intellect of Black people.

 

[Markle]

And? SAT scores are not even considered in almost 1,000 colleges and universities now.

So because the scores for blacks are factually worse than other races. In your world, they should not be used as a criterion for college admission. I bet you believe race should be substituted.

Show us your reliable source and link to that figure.

Just for your information, I provide you with the number of colleges and Universities.
How many colleges are in the United States?
July 20, 2015 — Today, there are some 5,300 colleges and universities in the United States, everything from beauty schools to Harvard. Though we often refer to them collectively as “the American higher-education system,” it’s far from an organized system.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-colleges-are-there-in-the-US

 

[Asclepias]

And? SAT scores are not even considered in almost 1,000 colleges and universities now.

Show us your reliable source and link to that figure.

Just for your information, I provide you with the number of colleges and Universities.
How many colleges are in the United States?
July 20, 2015 — Today, there are some 5,300 colleges and universities in the United States, everything from beauty schools to Harvard. Though we often refer to them collectively as “the American higher-education system,” it’s far from an organized system.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-colleges-are-there-in-the-US

You fucking idiot. All you had to do is google it. This is a link from back in 2015. Its probably higher now.

SAT, ACT No Longer Required For Admission To 800 U.S. Colleges And Universities | HuffPost

 

[Markle]

IM2 Perhaps if 20% of our colleges and universities do not use SAT scores (you have yet to confirm your allegation) perhaps they use ACT scores. What do you think?

Ta Ta to our two racist Trolls. Continue with your foolishness.

I'll return if you two ever decide to accept cold, hard, facts!

 

[John Shaw]

So basically you're talking the past, and about rich white people. I know you ain't talking about white working class people, because they're not doing much better than black working class people these days. My parents raised us in a fucking trailer park, working hard labor to make ends meet until my dad could finish his education. Now he's solidly middle class. I don't see what's preventing black people from doing something similar, except that maybe they end up in shit schools more often. But whose fault is that? People refuse to take a closer look at what's happening in poverty-stricken communities or do anything about it.

Let me share a little secret with you; rich white people give no more of a fuck about poor and middle class whites than they care about poor and middle class blacks. They only care about themselves. and their families. There is no racist conspiracy.

I've lived 57 years. When you were born I was the age you are right now. I think I know plenty about whites..

But it was another racialized New Deal program, the Federal Housing Administration, that helped generate much of the wealth that so many white families enjoy today. These revolutionary programs made it possible for millions of average white Americans - but not others - to own a home for the first time. The government set up a national neighborhood appraisal system, explicitly tying mortgage eligibility to race. Integrated communities were ipso facto deemed a financial risk and made ineligible for home loans, a policy known today as "redlining." Between 1934 and 1962, the federal government backed $120 billion of home loans. More than 98% went to whites.

There are a lot of things you don't know young boy. You talk about rich whites and what they don't care about. But rich whites run for office at every level while poor and working class whites vote for them. Trump is a rich white man who ran on racial resentment and poor/working class whites in droves voted him into office. The median income for whites is far higher than it is for blacks and the black working class earns far less than the white working class. When you study the issue of race and income or as an economic matter you find this to be true. I 've sat in city halls and watched local policy enacted that stopped blacks from doing what your parents did. It's easy to post opinion but the facts are important in this debate.

So are you just here to complain then? You are complaining about inherited wealth from unfair government programs of the past that no longer exist. Okay, but the path to the middle class is still there. My family was poor as shit when I was young. I lived on ramen, macaroni, and other cheap crap because that's all we could afford. Yet we made it out with no government assistance. So while blacks may have a tougher road due to mistakes of the past, that road is there. I haven't heard a single viable suggestion that comes across as fair. Social welfare will keep a man from drowning but won't teach him how to swim. Education is the key It always has been.

In fact, even though I have an MA, I'm going back to school at some point to pick up an MBA. Who knows? Maybe I'll get a third Masters or a JD. And my parents would've been considered white trailer trash back in the day.

Look child, I have a MA. Blacks have a tough road because whites are doing the same things they did in the past. Your argument about the past is only made by the racist white subculture in the United States. Don't need the white boy lecture about what roads are available for blacks.The fact is that our road should not be any tougher than yours. I have worked and studied this longer than your ass has been alive. There are plenty of fair solutions if fairness is what is really wanted. For when you talk about not seeing solutions that are fair you are only talking about what you think isn't fair for white males. Because the current system is not fair for anyone else so despite the weak excuse white men are making about how they were not there and didn't do it, we can say that we should not be made to continue to suffer for things we were not their for either.

You seem fine with taking black and other tax money from non whites to develop and grow everything in the white community. But if we ask for the same we have to be asking for handouts.

A solution has to be fair for everyone, white males included. Otherwise, it's not a fair solution, now is it?

Racist white males seem to think fair is when they get to keep the advantage they have gained by their unfair treatment of others.

Uh, that makes no sense.