What Geology reveal regarding the FLOOD of Noah's time.

[Stryder50]

All the Sumerian myths are about the Euphrates River. The two rivers are pretty far apart.

Tigris-Euphrates river system | river system, Asia ...

Tigris-Euphrates river system | Ancient Mesopotamia, Asia

Tigris-Euphrates river system, great river system of southwestern Asia. It comprises the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, which follow roughly parallel courses through the heart of the Middle East. The lower portion of the region that they define, known as Mesopotamia (Greek: “Land Between the

www.britannica.com

Having risen in close proximity, the Tigris and Euphrates diverge sharply in their upper courses, to a maximum distance of some 250 miles (400 km) apart near the Turkish-Syrian border. Their middle

Until they get near the area of Baghdad where they converge rather close to each other.
Map from your link;

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

We are all up to speed on what the word "global" means, right?

 

[surada]

Until they get near the area of Baghdad where they converge rather close to each other.
Map from your link;

Yep..as the rivers move south they are further and further apart. The Persian Gulf was a closed sea in the ancient past until it breached the Straits of Hormuz to the Indian Ocean.

 

[Stryder50]

james bond

ChemEngineer

If you have a chance read History Begins at Sumer. Samuel Noah Kramer spent 50 years translating the clay tablets that date 1500 years before Adam and Eve.

Eden Revisited: The Sumerian Version | Ancient Origins ...

Eden Revisited: The Sumerian Version

Sumer, in Mesopotamia, was called ‘the land of civilized kings’. It reached its peak around 6,500 years ago when it had the distinction of being a very advanced civilization with a sophisticated written language

members.ancient-origins.net

Eden Revisited: The Sumerian Version. By jim willis; 0; Sumer, in Mesopotamia, was called ‘the land of civilized kings’. It reached its peak around 6,500 years ago when it had the distinction of being a very advanced civilization with a sophisticated written language, magnificent architecture for the time, complex mathematics, and amazing astronomy.

Interesting how they "invented" all that in rather short timeline. ;-)
Egypt and Indus civilizations were right on their heels in that development track, hmmm ...

 

[Stryder50]

Okay, but rocks didn't write the Bible. And if the entire sea level rise happened in one day, it still would not have been a global flood.

I assume you mean more precisely the Old Testament, specifically the Book of Genesis, where this alleged "global flood" is presented. Which occurs in the span of 40 days per it's account, not one day.

As pointed out here earlier, the OT~Genesis account may be based on Sumer~Akkad~Babylon accounts which the Jews/Hebrews became aware of during their time in captivity in Babylon. Many historians assert it was after this that the Torah began to be a written "record" and not just an oral one.

The "Epic of Gilgamesh", excerpt;
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The Epic of Gilgamesh (/ˈɡɪlɡəmɛʃ/)[2] is an epic poem from ancient Mesopotamia, regarded as the earliest surviving notable literature and the second oldest religious text, after the Pyramid Texts. The literary history of Gilgamesh begins with five Sumerian poems about Bilgamesh (Sumerian for "Gilgamesh"), king of Uruk, dating from the Third Dynasty of Ur (c. 2100 BC).[1] These independent stories were later used as source material for a combined epic in Akkadian. The first surviving version of this combined epic, known as the "Old Babylonian" version, dates to the 18th century BC and is titled after its incipit, Shūtur eli sharrī ("Surpassing All Other Kings"). Only a few tablets of it have survived. The later Standard Babylonian version compiled by Sîn-lēqi-unninni dates from the 13th to the 10th centuries BC and bears the incipit Sha naqba īmuru[note 1] ("He who Saw the Abyss", in modern terms: "He who Sees the Unknown"). Approximately two-thirds of this longer, twelve-tablet version have been recovered. Some of the best copies were discovered in the library ruins of the 7th-century BC Assyrian king Ashurbanipal.

The first half of the story discusses Gilgamesh, king of Uruk, and Enkidu, a wild man created by the gods to stop Gilgamesh from oppressing the people of Uruk. After Enkidu becomes civilized through sexual initiation with a prostitute, he travels to Uruk, where he challenges Gilgamesh to a test of strength. Gilgamesh wins the contest; nonetheless, the two become friends. Together, they make a six-day journey to the legendary Cedar Forest, where they plan to slay the Guardian, Humbaba the Terrible, and cut down the sacred Cedar.[3] The goddess Ishtar sends the Bull of Heaven to punish Gilgamesh for spurning her advances. Gilgamesh and Enkidu kill the Bull of Heaven after which the gods decide to sentence Enkidu to death and kill him.

In the second half of the epic, distress over Enkidu's death causes Gilgamesh to undertake a long and perilous journey to discover the secret of eternal life. He eventually learns that "Life, which you look for, you will never find. For when the gods created man, they let death be his share, and life withheld in their own hands".[4][5] Nevertheless, because of his great building projects, his account of Siduri's advice, and what the immortal man Utnapishtim told him about the Great Flood, Gilgamesh's fame survived well after his death with expanding interest in the Gilgamesh story which has been translated into many languages and is featured in works of popular fiction.

The epic is regarded as a foundational work in the tradition of heroic sagas, with Gilgamesh forming the prototype for later heroes like Hercules, and the epic itself serving as an influence for the Homeric epics
...

Epic of Gilgamesh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Note that Ishtar was also known in earlier times as Inanna.

 

[Stryder50]

We are all up to speed on what the word "global" means, right?

The more relevant point is that thousand's of years ago, those writing these earliest accounts/records may not have known it to mean what we do today.

This is why one needs to be cautious on taking earliest writings too literally, since often the didn't have the scientific and technical knowledge we now have and how the phrased and described things could have a different context in the language of their times.

Here's something out of the Old Testament to be example;

Is Ezekiel’s Vision of the Wheel Evidence of UFOs in the Bible?​

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Of the many accounts in the Bible of strange happenings and otherworldly occurrences, the story of Ezekiel is one of the more fascinating, especially when looked at through the lens of modern technology. When biblical texts are interpreted through this perspective in general, an interesting picture emerges of the possibility that our ancient ancestors were actually visited by an advanced race, rather than gods.

This idea, known as the ancient astronaut theory, sees Ezekiel’s “vision” of the Merkabah, or wheeled chariot, as more likely to be a spaceship or space shuttle used by an advanced species to reach out to humans.
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The Ezekiel UFO Theory: Is There Proof of Aliens in the Bible? | Gaia

Discover the intriguing Ezekiel UFO theory and delve into the Bible verses that beg the question: Is there evidence of extraterrestrial phenomena in the Bible?

www.gaia.com

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Further reference~excerpt;
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But what I find most interesting is that Ezekiel even describes the fire ‘powering’ the alleged chariot as appearing as “glowing metal”:


“4I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the northan immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance, their form was human, 6 but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides, they had human hands. All four of them had faces and wings, 9 and the wings of one touched the wings of another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.” – Ezekiel 1


No matter what, you can’t deny that the description by Ezekiel sounds pretty familiar to how we would describe modern-day spaceships lifting off and landing on Earth.
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Is Ezekiel's Wheel the First Description of an Actual UFO? — Curiosmos

Did the prophet Ezekiel describe an encounter with a UFO? Explore the fascinating theory in this article about Ezekiel's Wheel.

curiosmos.com

ezekial and ufo at DuckDuckGo

DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.

duckduckgo.com

 

[james bond]

The Hebrews emerged from the north coast Canaanites a thousand years after the civilization of Sumer or the Akkadians..

The Bible was transcribed by humans from God. The Hebrew Bible was written later, but still is the historical document, i.e. the events preceded the poem. I don't expect you to answer my question about the ark as a cube because it is stupid lol.

 

[Wuwei]

I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the northan immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance, their form was human, 6 but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides, they had human hands. All four of them had faces and wings, 9 and the wings of one touched the wings of another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.” – Ezekiel 1

That may easily be the first science fiction short story.

 

[Stryder50]

That may easily be the first science fiction short story.

Perhaps.

More relevant is that such "fiction" would likely need a bit of substance, human imagination having it's limits sort of.
Also, one finds similar accounts of such "sky vehicles" in earliest India/Hindu writings and Sumer as well.

 

[james bond]

Yes floods are real and frequent events. There is also the non-real and infrequent event of Pandora and Eve being the first women created by a god.

No bunch of local floods would have the effect that the global flood had on the world. All we get is an idea. I live next to a major river and I can see what one rain storm can do; I can go outside my house, climb up to the levee and see how much the water has risen. I've also been to Seattle during a storm and couldn't believe it lasted for days. The effect would be miniscule compared to a global flood with water rising from beneath sea level and the grounds itself rising up to form mountains such as the Himalayas and Mt. Everest. The rain storm lasts for 40 days and 40 nights. That explains all the surface water the Earth has and Pangea breaking up into seven continents.

 

[Hollie]

The Bible was transcribed by humans from God. The Hebrew Bible was written later, but still is the historical document, i.e. the events preceded the poem. I don't expect you to answer my question about the ark as a cube because it is stupid lol.

The gods had no part in authoring any bibles.

 

[Hollie]

No bunch of local floods would have the effect that the global flood had on the world. All we get is an idea. I live next to a major river and I can see what one rain storm can do; I can go outside my house, climb up to the levee and see how much the water has risen. I've also been to Seattle during a storm and couldn't believe it lasted for days. The effect would be miniscule compared to a global flood with water rising from beneath sea level and the grounds itself rising up to form mountains such as the Himalayas and Mt. Everest. The rain storm lasts for 40 days and 40 nights. That explains all the surface water the Earth has and Pangea breaking up into seven continents.

....and Robin Hood stole from the rich and gave to the poor.

 

[Stryder50]

EXCERPT:
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Did an Astronomical Body Cause the Global Floods of Ancient Myths with Its Gravitational Tidal Floods? - Part 1​

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Worldwide Flood Myths​

Despite such unexplained inconsistencies, flood myths have persisted not only in the Abrahamic scriptures but also in many other distant, varied, and unconnected cultures. And some of them are rich in details bearing an uncanny resemblance to Noah’s tale. In his book ‘Fingerprints of the Gods’, Graham Hancock examines at length the many legends from across the world - and some follow a strikingly similar narrative: A man or a couple are forewarned by the gods of the impending catastrophe, instructed to build an ark and gather animals of each kind, and so on...
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Here are a few that make up the long list:

• Middle East - The Mesopotamian epic of Gilgamesh - the story of Utnapishtim,
• Central America - the Aztec myth of Coxcoxtly , Mechoacanesecan myth of Tezpi , The Mayan myth of the deluge that swept over the entire earth at the end of the Fourth Sun
• South America - The Chibkas of Central Colombia and their story of Bochika and his wife , The Cañaris of Ecuador , Villa Coto story of the Peruvian natives , The Arauchnaians of pre-Columbian Chile and the legend of ThegTheg mountain , The Pehuenche and the Yamana of Tierra del Fuego
• North America - The Inuit of Alaska and northern Canada, the Luiseno of Lower California, The Hurons, Iroquois, Chickasaws, Sioux
• Asia - The Chinese, Malayans, Thai, Vietnamese, Japanese, and the Karens of Burma all have records or legends of a global deluge
• Australia and Oceania - There are myths from Hawaii, Samoa, and several Aboriginal peoples of the north tropical part of Australia
• Greece, India, Egypt – The myth of Deucalion and Pyrrha (the Greek Noah) , The Vedic Indian myth of Manu , A funerary text found in the tomb of Pharaoh Seti I describes the destruction of humanity by a deluge and the reasons for this catastrophe are set out in the Book of the Dead...

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Did an Astronomical Body Cause the Global Floods of Ancient Myths with Its Gravitational Tidal Floods? - Part 1

The following is a unifying scientific hypothesis that connects diverse ancient flood myths with mainstream scientific fact. Currently the biblical narrative of the great flood falls short of explaining some observable scientific facts.

www.ancient-origins.net

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Other takes on this concept ...

Why Newton Believed a Comet Caused Noah's Flood​

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EXCERPT:
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Could a Comet Have Caused the Great Flood?​

Earlier this century, satellite images made by Landsat 7 revealed four chevron-shaped land features on the southwest coast of Madagascar, 180 meters high and up to 5 kilometers inland .

The striking scenery, formed by enormous wedge-shaped sediment deposits called chevrons, has been hypothesized as providing evidence of a "megatsunami," caused by a celestial object crashing into the Indian Ocean. The chevrons seem to point to a feature called the Burckle crater, that lies in deep ocean about 1.700 kilometers east-southeast of the Madagascar chevrons. This is thought to be the impact crater, and is estimated to be 4.800 years old. The chevrons in Madagascar are filled with melted microfossils from the bottom of the ocean, but decisive evidence in the form of layers of glassy droplets and fused rock in sea-core samples has not been found yet.

The impact of the huge comet or asteroid must have been a catastrophic event. It would have sent a series of 200-meter-high tsunamis crashing against the coastlines and injected plumes of superheated water vapor and aerosol particulates into the atmosphere. For about a week, material ejected into the atmosphere would have plunged the world into darkness.

What's interesting is that legends about a Great Flood are known to almost every culture in the world. The Bible tells the story of Noah's Ark which describes a deluge for 40 days and 40 nights that created a flood so great that Noah was stuck in his ark for two weeks until the water subsided. This story from the Book of Genesis must have been based on the Sumerian "Gilgamesh Epic" in which King Gilgamesh, the hero of Mesopotamia, saw a pillar of black smoke on the horizon before the sky went dark for a week and "six days and 6 nights blows the flood wind, as south-storm sweeps the land."

The Epic of Gilgamesh story speaks of taking the seeds of every living thing into a boat. This constitutes a difference with the Biblical account of Noah, but makes much more sense. Obviously, the wheat cultivating Babylonians wanted to save their seeds so that they could start cultivating their land again after the flood.
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Could a Comet Have Caused the Great Flood? — Space And Intelligence

Earlier this century, satellite images made by Landsat 7 revealed four chevron-shaped land features on the southwest coast of Madagascar, 180 meters high and

spaceandai.com

 

[Stryder50]

Continuing ...

Did a Comet Cause the Great Flood?​

The universal human myth may be the first example of disaster reporting.​

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The serpent’s tails coil together menacingly. A horn juts sharply from its head. The creature looks as if it might be swimming through a sea of stars. Or is it making its way up a sheer basalt cliff? For Bruce Masse, an environmental archaeologist at Los Alamos National Laboratory, there is no confusion as he looks at this ancient petroglyph, scratched into a rock by a Native American shaman. “You can’t tell me that isn’t a comet,” he says.

In Masse’s interpretation, the petroglyph commemorates a comet that streaked across the sky just a few years before Europeans came to this area of New Mexico. But that event is a minor blip compared to what he is really after. Masse believes that he has uncovered evidence that a gigantic comet crashed into the Indian Ocean several thousand years ago and nearly wiped out all life on the planet. What’s more, he thinks that clues about the catastrophe are hiding in plain sight, embedded in the creation stories of cultural groups around the world. His hypothesis depends on a major reinterpretation of many different mythologies and raises questions about how frequently major asteroid impacts occur. What scientists know about such collisions is based mainly on a limited survey of craters around the world and on the moon. Only 185 craters on Earth have been identified, and almost all are on dry land, leaving largely unexamined the 70 percent of the planet covered by water. Even among those on dry land, many of the craters have been recognized only recently. It is possible that Earth has been a target of more meteors and comets than scientists have suspected.

Masse’s epiphany came while poring over Hawaiian oral histories regarding the goddess Pele and wondering what they might reveal about the lava flows that episodically destroy human settlements and create new tracts of land. He reasoned that even though the stories are often clouded by exaggerations and mystical explanations, many may refer to actual incidents. He tested his hypothesis by cross-checking carbon-14 ages for the lava flows against dates included in royal Hawaiian genealogies. The result: Several flows matched up with the specific reigns associated with them in the oral histories. Other myths, Masse theorizes, hold similar clues.

Masse’s biggest idea is that some 5,000 years ago, a 3-mile-wide ball of rock and ice swung around the sun and smashed into the ocean off the coast of Madagascar. The ensuing cataclysm sent a series of 600-foot-high tsunamis crashing against the world’s coastlines and injected plumes of superheated water vapor and aerosol particulates into the atmosphere. Within hours, the infusion of heat and moisture blasted its way into jet streams and spawned superhurricanes that pummeled the other side of the planet. For about a week, material ejected into the atmosphere plunged the world into darkness. All told, up to 80 percent of the world’s population may have perished, making it the single most lethal event in history.

Why, then, don’t we know about it? Masse contends that we do. Almost every culture has a legend about a great flood, and—with a little reading between the lines—many of them mention something like a comet on a collision course with Earth just before the disaster. The Bible describes a deluge for 40 days and 40 nights that created a flood so great that Noah was stuck in his ark for two weeks until the water subsided. In the Gilgamesh Epic, the hero of Mesopotamia saw a pillar of black smoke on the horizon before the sky went dark for a week. Afterward, a cyclone pummeled the Fertile Crescent and caused a massive flood. Myths recounted in indigenous South American cultures also tell of a great flood.

“These stories are all exactly what you would expect from the survivors of a celestial impact,” Masse says, leafing through 2,000-year-old drawings by Chinese astronomers that show comets of all shapes and sizes. “When a comet rounds the sun, oftentimes its tail is still being blown forward by the solar winds so that it actually precedes it. That is why so many descriptions of comets in mythology mention that they are wearing horns.” In India, he notes, a celestial fish described as “bright as a moonbeam,” with a horn on its head, warned of an epic flood that brought on a new age of man.

Among 175 flood myths, Masse found two of particular interest. A Hindu myth describes an alignment of the five bright planets that has happened only once in the last 5,000 years, according to computer simulations, and a Chinese story mentions that the great flood occurred at the end of the reign of Empress Nu Wa. Cross-checking historical records with astronomical data, Masse came up with a date for his event: May 10, 2807 B.C.

On its own, the mythological evidence is weak, as even Masse recognizes. “Mythology can help us hypothesize about events that might have occurred,” he says, “but to prove the reality of them, we have to go beyond myths and search for physical evidence.”

In 2004, at a conference of geologists, astronomers, and archaeologists, Masse outlined his evidence for a world-ravaging impact in the middle of the Indian Ocean. Ted Bryant, a geomorphologist at the University of Wollongong in New South Wales, Australia, was intrigued and enlisted the help of Dallas Abbott, an assistant professor at the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University. In 2005, they formed the Holocene Impact Working Group (referring to the geological period covering the last 11,000 years) to seek out the geological signatures of a megatsunami. If a 600-foot-high wave ravages a coastline, it should leave a lot of debris behind. In the case of waves generated by asteroid impacts, the debris they leave in their wake is believed to form gigantic, wedge-shaped sandy structures—known as chevrons—that are sometimes packed with deep-oceanic microfossils dredged up by the tsunami.

When Abbott began searching satellite images on Google Earth, she saw dozens of chevrons along shorelines and inland in Africa and Asia. The shape and size of these chevrons suggest that they might have been formed by waves emanating from the impact of a comet slamming into the deep ocean off Madagascar. “The chevrons in Madagascar associated with the crater were filled with melted microfossils from the bottom of the ocean. There is no explanation for their presence other than a cosmic impact,” she says. “People are going to have to start taking this theory a lot more seriously.” The next step is to perform carbon-14 dating on the fossils to see if they are indeed 5,000 years old.

Meanwhile, Bryant contends that chevrons found (pdf) 4 miles inland from the shore of Madagascar were formed by a wave that traveled 25 miles along the coast, moving almost parallel to the shoreline. “Neither erosion nor any other terrestrial process could have caused these formations. The biggest marine landslide ever recorded happened 7,200 years ago off the coast of Norway, and there was a tsunami, but it was a far cry from leaving deposits 200 meters above sea level,” Bryant says.
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Did a Comet Cause the Great Flood?

The universal human myth may be the first example of disaster reporting.

www.discovermagazine.com

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I excerpted extensively because Discover limits access to free articles.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I assume you mean more precisely the Old Testament, specifically the Book of Genesis, where this alleged "global flood" is presented. Which occurs in the span of 40 days per it's account, not one day.

As pointed out here earlier, the OT~Genesis account may be based on Sumer~Akkad~Babylon accounts which the Jews/Hebrews became aware of during their time in captivity in Babylon. Many historians assert it was after this that the Torah began to be a written "record" and not just an oral one.

The "Epic of Gilgamesh", excerpt;
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The Epic of Gilgamesh (/ˈɡɪlɡəmɛʃ/)[2] is an epic poem from ancient Mesopotamia, regarded as the earliest surviving notable literature and the second oldest religious text, after the Pyramid Texts. The literary history of Gilgamesh begins with five Sumerian poems about Bilgamesh (Sumerian for "Gilgamesh"), king of Uruk, dating from the Third Dynasty of Ur (c. 2100 BC).[1] These independent stories were later used as source material for a combined epic in Akkadian. The first surviving version of this combined epic, known as the "Old Babylonian" version, dates to the 18th century BC and is titled after its incipit, Shūtur eli sharrī ("Surpassing All Other Kings"). Only a few tablets of it have survived. The later Standard Babylonian version compiled by Sîn-lēqi-unninni dates from the 13th to the 10th centuries BC and bears the incipit Sha naqba īmuru[note 1] ("He who Saw the Abyss", in modern terms: "He who Sees the Unknown"). Approximately two-thirds of this longer, twelve-tablet version have been recovered. Some of the best copies were discovered in the library ruins of the 7th-century BC Assyrian king Ashurbanipal.

The first half of the story discusses Gilgamesh, king of Uruk, and Enkidu, a wild man created by the gods to stop Gilgamesh from oppressing the people of Uruk. After Enkidu becomes civilized through sexual initiation with a prostitute, he travels to Uruk, where he challenges Gilgamesh to a test of strength. Gilgamesh wins the contest; nonetheless, the two become friends. Together, they make a six-day journey to the legendary Cedar Forest, where they plan to slay the Guardian, Humbaba the Terrible, and cut down the sacred Cedar.[3] The goddess Ishtar sends the Bull of Heaven to punish Gilgamesh for spurning her advances. Gilgamesh and Enkidu kill the Bull of Heaven after which the gods decide to sentence Enkidu to death and kill him.

In the second half of the epic, distress over Enkidu's death causes Gilgamesh to undertake a long and perilous journey to discover the secret of eternal life. He eventually learns that "Life, which you look for, you will never find. For when the gods created man, they let death be his share, and life withheld in their own hands".[4][5] Nevertheless, because of his great building projects, his account of Siduri's advice, and what the immortal man Utnapishtim told him about the Great Flood, Gilgamesh's fame survived well after his death with expanding interest in the Gilgamesh story which has been translated into many languages and is featured in works of popular fiction.

The epic is regarded as a foundational work in the tradition of heroic sagas, with Gilgamesh forming the prototype for later heroes like Hercules, and the epic itself serving as an influence for the Homeric epics
...

Epic of Gilgamesh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Note that Ishtar was also known in earlier times as Inanna.

Well sure, a flood myth originating in the idea that there was a flood one time, and some guy told his grandkids about it and embellished the story, is not an extraordinary claim.

 

[Wuwei]

Despite such unexplained inconsistencies, flood myths have persisted not only in the Abrahamic scriptures but also in many other distant, varied, and unconnected cultures. And some of them are rich in details bearing an uncanny resemblance to Noah’s tale. In his book ‘Fingerprints of the Gods’, Graham Hancock examines at length the many legends from across the world - and some follow a strikingly similar narrative: A man or a couple are forewarned by the gods of the impending catastrophe, instructed to build an ark and gather animals of each kind, and so on...
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Here are a few that make up the long list: .....................

The legends from across the world in almost every culture is sometimes cited by creationists to show it indeed was a global flood. However they fail to realize that only Noah, et al is presumed to have survived. How would the lore of those vanished people from Alaska to South America ever survive to be passed down.

 

[surada]

The Bible was transcribed by humans from God. The Hebrew Bible was written later, but still is the historical document, i.e. the events preceded the poem. I don't expect you to answer my question about the ark as a cube because it is stupid lol.

The stories were redacted and amended many times. Judah and Israel had slightly different creation myths that were cobbled together during the time of King Omri when he was trying to reunite the two. The Tanakh is older that the Bible.

 

[surada]

Continuing ...

Did a Comet Cause the Great Flood?​

The universal human myth may be the first example of disaster reporting.​

...
The serpent’s tails coil together menacingly. A horn juts sharply from its head. The creature looks as if it might be swimming through a sea of stars. Or is it making its way up a sheer basalt cliff? For Bruce Masse, an environmental archaeologist at Los Alamos National Laboratory, there is no confusion as he looks at this ancient petroglyph, scratched into a rock by a Native American shaman. “You can’t tell me that isn’t a comet,” he says.

In Masse’s interpretation, the petroglyph commemorates a comet that streaked across the sky just a few years before Europeans came to this area of New Mexico. But that event is a minor blip compared to what he is really after. Masse believes that he has uncovered evidence that a gigantic comet crashed into the Indian Ocean several thousand years ago and nearly wiped out all life on the planet. What’s more, he thinks that clues about the catastrophe are hiding in plain sight, embedded in the creation stories of cultural groups around the world. His hypothesis depends on a major reinterpretation of many different mythologies and raises questions about how frequently major asteroid impacts occur. What scientists know about such collisions is based mainly on a limited survey of craters around the world and on the moon. Only 185 craters on Earth have been identified, and almost all are on dry land, leaving largely unexamined the 70 percent of the planet covered by water. Even among those on dry land, many of the craters have been recognized only recently. It is possible that Earth has been a target of more meteors and comets than scientists have suspected.

Masse’s epiphany came while poring over Hawaiian oral histories regarding the goddess Pele and wondering what they might reveal about the lava flows that episodically destroy human settlements and create new tracts of land. He reasoned that even though the stories are often clouded by exaggerations and mystical explanations, many may refer to actual incidents. He tested his hypothesis by cross-checking carbon-14 ages for the lava flows against dates included in royal Hawaiian genealogies. The result: Several flows matched up with the specific reigns associated with them in the oral histories. Other myths, Masse theorizes, hold similar clues.

Masse’s biggest idea is that some 5,000 years ago, a 3-mile-wide ball of rock and ice swung around the sun and smashed into the ocean off the coast of Madagascar. The ensuing cataclysm sent a series of 600-foot-high tsunamis crashing against the world’s coastlines and injected plumes of superheated water vapor and aerosol particulates into the atmosphere. Within hours, the infusion of heat and moisture blasted its way into jet streams and spawned superhurricanes that pummeled the other side of the planet. For about a week, material ejected into the atmosphere plunged the world into darkness. All told, up to 80 percent of the world’s population may have perished, making it the single most lethal event in history.

Why, then, don’t we know about it? Masse contends that we do. Almost every culture has a legend about a great flood, and—with a little reading between the lines—many of them mention something like a comet on a collision course with Earth just before the disaster. The Bible describes a deluge for 40 days and 40 nights that created a flood so great that Noah was stuck in his ark for two weeks until the water subsided. In the Gilgamesh Epic, the hero of Mesopotamia saw a pillar of black smoke on the horizon before the sky went dark for a week. Afterward, a cyclone pummeled the Fertile Crescent and caused a massive flood. Myths recounted in indigenous South American cultures also tell of a great flood.

“These stories are all exactly what you would expect from the survivors of a celestial impact,” Masse says, leafing through 2,000-year-old drawings by Chinese astronomers that show comets of all shapes and sizes. “When a comet rounds the sun, oftentimes its tail is still being blown forward by the solar winds so that it actually precedes it. That is why so many descriptions of comets in mythology mention that they are wearing horns.” In India, he notes, a celestial fish described as “bright as a moonbeam,” with a horn on its head, warned of an epic flood that brought on a new age of man.

Among 175 flood myths, Masse found two of particular interest. A Hindu myth describes an alignment of the five bright planets that has happened only once in the last 5,000 years, according to computer simulations, and a Chinese story mentions that the great flood occurred at the end of the reign of Empress Nu Wa. Cross-checking historical records with astronomical data, Masse came up with a date for his event: May 10, 2807 B.C.

On its own, the mythological evidence is weak, as even Masse recognizes. “Mythology can help us hypothesize about events that might have occurred,” he says, “but to prove the reality of them, we have to go beyond myths and search for physical evidence.”

In 2004, at a conference of geologists, astronomers, and archaeologists, Masse outlined his evidence for a world-ravaging impact in the middle of the Indian Ocean. Ted Bryant, a geomorphologist at the University of Wollongong in New South Wales, Australia, was intrigued and enlisted the help of Dallas Abbott, an assistant professor at the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University. In 2005, they formed the Holocene Impact Working Group (referring to the geological period covering the last 11,000 years) to seek out the geological signatures of a megatsunami. If a 600-foot-high wave ravages a coastline, it should leave a lot of debris behind. In the case of waves generated by asteroid impacts, the debris they leave in their wake is believed to form gigantic, wedge-shaped sandy structures—known as chevrons—that are sometimes packed with deep-oceanic microfossils dredged up by the tsunami.

When Abbott began searching satellite images on Google Earth, she saw dozens of chevrons along shorelines and inland in Africa and Asia. The shape and size of these chevrons suggest that they might have been formed by waves emanating from the impact of a comet slamming into the deep ocean off Madagascar. “The chevrons in Madagascar associated with the crater were filled with melted microfossils from the bottom of the ocean. There is no explanation for their presence other than a cosmic impact,” she says. “People are going to have to start taking this theory a lot more seriously.” The next step is to perform carbon-14 dating on the fossils to see if they are indeed 5,000 years old.

Meanwhile, Bryant contends that chevrons found (pdf) 4 miles inland from the shore of Madagascar were formed by a wave that traveled 25 miles along the coast, moving almost parallel to the shoreline. “Neither erosion nor any other terrestrial process could have caused these formations. The biggest marine landslide ever recorded happened 7,200 years ago off the coast of Norway, and there was a tsunami, but it was a far cry from leaving deposits 200 meters above sea level,” Bryant says.
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Did a Comet Cause the Great Flood?

The universal human myth may be the first example of disaster reporting.

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Noah was stuck in the ark a year before the waters subsided.

 

[james bond]

The legends from across the world in almost every culture is sometimes cited by creationists to show it indeed was a global flood. However they fail to realize that only Noah, et al is presumed to have survived. How would the lore of those vanished people from Alaska to South America ever survive to be passed down.

You fit the I'll tell you tomorrow riddle.

Noah and his family told their offspring what happened and then it got passed down, but the true history got changed from generation to generation and to fit their POV/culture. There was also a gap of all peoples in their history/culture after the global flood as further evidence of a true catastrophic event.

The key to me is what each side gets out of the truth and myth. I mean I have a healthy respect for catastrophes and try to help people recover when they happen. Also, I wait patiently for the end times as the second global catastrophe will mean the end of everything.

 

[Stryder50]

Noah was stuck in the ark a year before the waters subsided.

Per the OT-Genesis, which I'm not inclined to see as very accurate historically, rather more allegorical IMO.