What gives us the right?

[Sallow]

What gives us the right to force homosexuality on Russia? Who do we think we are that we can tell another large country that they must accept homosexuality as normal?

If the Russian people want to treat homosexuality as a perversion, what gives us the right to send a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong?

We cannot tell muslims that they are wrong, we cannot say Christian prayers at high school ball games, we cannot put a manger scene in front of a public building, we say nothing about the persecution of Christians in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

But we get all spun up about gaydom and think we can force Russia to change their polciies on gays.

WTF is going on? We have become a nation of hypocrites.

So you don't believe rights are universal?

 

[PredFan]

So what gives us the right to do this...

...as the President described at the recent prayer breakfast?

"It is not always comfortable to do, but it is right. When I meet with Chinese leaders -- and we do a lot of business with the Chinese, and that relationship is extraordinarily important not just to our two countries but to the world -- but I stress that realizing China’s potential rests on upholding universal rights, including for Christians, and Tibetan Buddhists, and Uighur Muslims."

I guess Redfish is a hypocrite for not starting a thread complaining about that.

The OP is indeed a hypocrite for not complaining about this.

The hostility of most conservatives toward the human and civil rights of homosexuals is well-documented, the OP is yet another example.

That is pretty much the only point of value to derive from this thread, i.e., how pervasive and deep among conservatives is the hatred of homosexuality.

You're right! You win! Now go away.

 

[NYcarbineer]

All this love for Russian authoritarianism, Ronald Reagan would be ashamed of all of you.

Leave to conservatives to find SOMETHING to like about the Russians.

Nobody likes what the Russians are doing, that wasn't the point or the question. Go troll some other thread dumbass.

The point was that by some force or authority, we don't have the right to express our disagreement with Russia's persecution of homosexuals.

I'm still waiting for someone to identify that authority.

 

[PredFan]

Really? So you're a hypocrite for supporting gun rights but opposing abortion rights?

You know, you're too stupid to talk to. Have fun with that.

I'll take that as a yes.

Good. You win. Now go spread your brilliance elsewhere.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How can homosexuality be an aberration when homosexuals do nothing other than engage in sexual activity that is also commonly engaged in by heterosexuals?

Lets see now, a man and an woman can engage in mutual cunilingus, a man and a woman can engage in mutual fellatio?

two woman can engage in anal intercourse?

did you skip your high school biology classes?

Carb is a troll. He wants to get you off track and arguing about something he can argue. He can't address your very good OP so he has to take you where he thinks he can win the argument.

I addressed it by proving that Redfish offers nothing to support his claim.

 

[PredFan]

Lets see now, a man and an woman can engage in mutual cunilingus, a man and a woman can engage in mutual fellatio?

two woman can engage in anal intercourse?

did you skip your high school biology classes?

Carb is a troll. He wants to get you off track and arguing about something he can argue. He can't address your very good OP so he has to take you where he thinks he can win the argument.

I addressed it by proving that Redfish offers nothing to support his claim.

He's not making a claim idiot, he's asking a question. You do t want to answer the question so go troll some other thread.

 

[konradv]

No, thats not what I said. The founders and drafters of our constitution believed that we all have rights conferred upon us by our creator. They codified those rights in the constitution.

Therefore, our legal rights in this country stemmed from our God given rights and were confirmed by the constitution.

Those legal constitutional rights are political rights and do not apply outside of the USA.

If rights are God-given and inalienable, why do we need a Constituiton? It would seem to bolster the contention that without a government to back them up, rights are NOT guaranteed in any way. For example, without government your rights are whatever the strongest says they are.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Robertson was inside the USA exercising his first amendment rights. The US constitution does not apply outside the USA.

Its a simple distinction, maybe even you can get it.

So you've changed your view, temporarily I suspect, on the idea of rights?

Now you believe that rights only exist when a government gives you those rights.

No, thats not what I said. The founders and drafters of our constitution believed that we all have rights conferred upon us by our creator. They codified those rights in the constitution.

Therefore, our legal rights in this country stemmed from our God given rights and were confirmed by the constitution.

Those legal constitutional rights are political rights and do not apply outside of the USA.

You claimed that our President had no RIGHT to appoint gays to the Olympic delegation.

Who is the authority that has the power to deny the President that right?

 

[Contumacious]

What gives us the right to force homosexuality on Russia? Who do we think we are that we can tell another large country that they must accept homosexuality as normal?

If the Russian people want to treat homosexuality as a perversion, what gives us the right to send a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong?

We cannot tell muslims that they are wrong, we cannot say Christian prayers at high school ball games, we cannot put a manger scene in front of a public building, we say nothing about the persecution of Christians in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

But we get all spun up about gaydom and think we can force Russia to change their polciies on gays.

WTF is going on? We have become a nation of hypocrites.

So you don't believe rights are universal?

Of course they are.

But if you want to get butt-fucked in Moscow you have to convince Putin and the Kremlin to say "Da".

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[NYcarbineer]

Carb is a troll. He wants to get you off track and arguing about something he can argue. He can't address your very good OP so he has to take you where he thinks he can win the argument.

I addressed it by proving that Redfish offers nothing to support his claim.

He's not making a claim idiot, he's asking a question. You do t want to answer the question so go troll some other thread.

He claimed that the president had no right to appoint gays to the Olympic delegation:

"what gives us the right to send a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong"

If that's true, if the President doesn't have that right, then who has the right to overturn the president's action?

 

[PredFan]

So you've changed your view, temporarily I suspect, on the idea of rights?

Now you believe that rights only exist when a government gives you those rights.

No, thats not what I said. The founders and drafters of our constitution believed that we all have rights conferred upon us by our creator. They codified those rights in the constitution.

Therefore, our legal rights in this country stemmed from our God given rights and were confirmed by the constitution.

Those legal constitutional rights are political rights and do not apply outside of the USA.

You claimed that our President had no RIGHT to appoint gays to the Olympic delegation.

Who is the authority that has the power to deny the President that right?

No he didn't dumbass. He ASKED what right do we have.

 

[PredFan]

I addressed it by proving that Redfish offers nothing to support his claim.

He's not making a claim idiot, he's asking a question. You do t want to answer the question so go troll some other thread.

He claimed that the president had no right to appoint gays to the Olympic delegation:

"what gives us the right to send a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong"

If that's true, if the President doesn't have that right, then who has the right to overturn the president's action?

I see the problem. You don't understand what you read.

Maybe this will help. He asked a question, you are claiming he made a statement. They are not the same. A question requires an answer from you. A statement allows for you to ask him for proof. You need to a swer his question.

Is that dumbed down enough for you?

 

[Contumacious]

I addressed it by proving that Redfish offers nothing to support his claim.

He's not making a claim idiot, he's asking a question. You do t want to answer the question so go troll some other thread.

He claimed that the president had no right to appoint gays to the Olympic delegation:

"what gives us the right to send a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong"

If that's true, if the President doesn't have that right, then who has the right to overturn the president's action?

Didn't Afro-American Jesse Owens beat Hitler's Aryan crew? Four GOLD medals.

Owens said,

"Hitler didn't snub me – it was FDR who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram."[

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[NYcarbineer]

He's not making a claim idiot, he's asking a question. You do t want to answer the question so go troll some other thread.

He claimed that the president had no right to appoint gays to the Olympic delegation:

"what gives us the right to send a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong"

If that's true, if the President doesn't have that right, then who has the right to overturn the president's action?

I see the problem. You don't understand what you read.

Maybe this will help. He asked a question, you are claiming he made a statement. They are not the same. A question requires an answer from you. A statement allows for you to ask him for proof. You need to a swer his question.

Is that dumbed down enough for you?

Maybe it would be helpful if you reread the OP:

What gives us the right to force homosexuality on Russia? Who do we think we are that we can tell another large country that they must accept homosexuality as normal?

If the Russian people want to treat homosexuality as a perversion, what gives us the right to send a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong?

We cannot tell muslims that they are wrong, we cannot say Christian prayers at high school ball games, we cannot put a manger scene in front of a public building, we say nothing about the persecution of Christians in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

But we get all spun up about gaydom and think we can force Russia to change their polciies on gays.

WTF is going on? We have become a nation of hypocrites.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No, thats not what I said. The founders and drafters of our constitution believed that we all have rights conferred upon us by our creator. They codified those rights in the constitution.

Therefore, our legal rights in this country stemmed from our God given rights and were confirmed by the constitution.

Those legal constitutional rights are political rights and do not apply outside of the USA.

You claimed that our President had no RIGHT to appoint gays to the Olympic delegation.

Who is the authority that has the power to deny the President that right?

No he didn't dumbass. He ASKED what right do we have.

You might want to study up on the concept of rhetorical questions.

 

[Redfish]

So you've changed your view, temporarily I suspect, on the idea of rights?

Now you believe that rights only exist when a government gives you those rights.

No, thats not what I said. The founders and drafters of our constitution believed that we all have rights conferred upon us by our creator. They codified those rights in the constitution.

Therefore, our legal rights in this country stemmed from our God given rights and were confirmed by the constitution.

Those legal constitutional rights are political rights and do not apply outside of the USA.

You claimed that our President had no RIGHT to appoint gays to the Olympic delegation.

Who is the authority that has the power to deny the President that right?

I never said that, idiot.

I asked by what authority do we think that we can try to impose our moral code on others.

What gives us the right to claim that we are right and they are wrong?

 

[Redfish]

What gives us the right to force homosexuality on Russia? Who do we think we are that we can tell another large country that they must accept homosexuality as normal?

If the Russian people want to treat homosexuality as a perversion, what gives us the right to send a delegation of gays over to tell them they are wrong?

We cannot tell muslims that they are wrong, we cannot say Christian prayers at high school ball games, we cannot put a manger scene in front of a public building, we say nothing about the persecution of Christians in Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

But we get all spun up about gaydom and think we can force Russia to change their polciies on gays.

WTF is going on? We have become a nation of hypocrites.

So you don't believe rights are universal?

God given rights are universal, defining and enforcing those rights is up to each nation.

The Russians believe that their God given rights define homosexuality as a perversion.

What gives us the authority to tell them they are wrong and we are right?

 

[Redfish]

No, thats not what I said. The founders and drafters of our constitution believed that we all have rights conferred upon us by our creator. They codified those rights in the constitution.

Therefore, our legal rights in this country stemmed from our God given rights and were confirmed by the constitution.

Those legal constitutional rights are political rights and do not apply outside of the USA.

If rights are God-given and inalienable, why do we need a Constituiton? It would seem to bolster the contention that without a government to back them up, rights are NOT guaranteed in any way. For example, without government your rights are whatever the strongest says they are.

exactly, and thats why we have laws to define and enforce our rights. But we do not have the right to tell other countries what laws they have to follow.

 

[1776]

I don't support the evil Putin and his kind, but it is ironic that the cold secular world of Russia that came out of the USSR puts the man and woman family on a pedestal compared to our immoral country.

We have let liberals ruin our morality in this country and even their fellow socialists overseas recognize it.....

 

[JWBooth]

If rights are God-given and inalienable, why do we need a Constituiton? It would seem to bolster the contention that without a government to back them up, rights are NOT guaranteed in any way. For example, without government your rights are whatever the strongest says they are.

It was an attempt at political organisation that vainly sought to deny the state the ability to do what it does best and most often, encroach on freedom and liberty.